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To root or not to root (that’s the question)…

Dear forum members, I’ve been using the HTC Magic for a few weeks now and I must say much to my satisfaction. The device is so much more responsive and compared to Windows Mobile, it is very fast.
When browsing the Android marketplace I found out that many apps need the device to be rooted.
My question is apart from the apps benefit whether or not to ROOT the device.
What more advantages does rooting offer? Does one really need it?
Thank you for helping me make up my mind!!

new to magic as well, coming from windows mobile, here are the advantages of rooting (for me atleast)
1. bluetooth file transfers - rec and send
2. wifi / bluetooth tether (tho i think there are some paid apps that allow non root users to do this now)
3. upgrades for restricted roms. for eg, my australian htc magic did not allow me to upgrade to google maps 3.1.1. but after rooting, no probs =)

Where can I find the steps to root my tmobile my touch? AKA htc magic.
I'm desperately seeking a forum with the steps to root the my touch (htc magic). Just got it in today and I cant find anything on rooting this phone. Where did you get the info on rooting your Australian magic? Any help is much appreciated!

Where can I find the steps to root my tmobile my touch? AKA htc magic.
Try this
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
all the information you need about the HTC Magic/Sapphire is here :
Newbie resource links for Sapphire/HTC Magic - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529062

the mytouch cannot be rooted.... yet.....
check out the threads on "fixing the dreaded perfect spl"

MontAlbert said:
the mytouch cannot be rooted.... yet.....
check out the threads on "fixing the dreaded perfect spl"
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This is what I was looking for... It's not possible, yet? Not possible to get a HERO ROM on then is there?

Reeg said:
This is what I was looking for... It's not possible, yet? Not possible to get a HERO ROM on then is there?
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Not possible to root, so no ROM flashing or installing apps that need Root.
Clinton

Hi All, I had problem with Rooting too.
Aus 3 HTC Magic,
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009,21:02:32
I followed instructions on http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting,
however, the recovery rom won't boot on my machine. it stuck on the first HTC screen. (Upto step 11)
then i tried using recovery rom from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492, boots ok, so I made a backup (lucky I did that),
and throw in the update.zip from Magic Tutorial, reboot,
still no sucess, machine stuck on the first HTC screen again.
So I used the recovery rom by Amon_RA's to restore my machine.
Did I do anything wrong?
My adb was installed correctly, no problem running adb devices.
BTW, I've also tried method 2, it was sucessful, but killed wifi, so i restored again.

Try this guide worked perfect for me first time and since on both my Magics.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1545226
Clinton

katsuya82 said:
Hi All, I had problem with Rooting too.
Aus 3 HTC Magic,
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009,21:02:32
I followed instructions on http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting,
however, the recovery rom won't boot on my machine. it stuck on the first HTC screen. (Upto step 11)
then i tried using recovery rom from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492, boots ok, so I made a backup (lucky I did that),
and throw in the update.zip from Magic Tutorial, reboot,
still no sucess, machine stuck on the first HTC screen again.
So I used the recovery rom by Amon_RA's to restore my machine.
Did I do anything wrong?
My adb was installed correctly, no problem running adb devices.
BTW, I've also tried method 2, it was sucessful, but killed wifi, so i restored again.
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Haykuro's ROM doesn't work on 32A boards. You can try daldroid's, Amon_RA's or the HOFO ROM. These are the non-Hero ROMs.

cant install new rom

ok, so i have an HTC magic from rogers, (rogers is the first problem)
i cant remember exactly what happened, but i was doing something to my phone, which resulted in it not booting. but the recovery was fine, and fastboot/hboot was also fine.
i am pretty sure something happened with my radio and spl, so since i was able to update both i did.
now i used the whole goldcard metod with the european RUU which installed cyanogen (5.0.8 at the time)
anyways, i am having problems with recovery and installing roms now. i have RA hero 1.6.2 recovery (shameful) because it is the only one that seems to work.
i used to have clockwork but now when i install clockwork recovery it freezes or resets when booted into recovery.
i am using "Smoki's" 2.1 rom (f**king sucks...it only allows use of 30mb of memory.....tarded) (it like really sucks...its slow and takes forever for anything)
this is my phone.
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A ENG S-OFF H
HBOOT -1.33.2010 (SAPP50000)
CPLD - 12
RADIO - 6.35.16.19
why cant i install clockwork recovery? (even with rom manager from market - or using fastboot)
why wont cyanogen 6.1 install? (6.0 wont install either)
can anyone help me...tell me what is wrong here?
p.s. my htc dream is running cyanogen 6.1 (thats a kick in the tits)
p.p.s. i am not a hacker, i am a tester, and if someone has figured out how to hack it, i can trouble shoot until it works...i have hacked every single device i and my friends have, my wii, my playstation 2, and i am looking into hacking my old xbox 360 arcade.
i also have a triple boot computer with windows 7 pro 64. mac os x 10.6.2. and ubuntu 10.10 LL. so operating systems are not an issue with whatever you guys tell me to do.

bumb bump bump

plugsmustard said:
...i cant remember exactly what happened, but i was doing something to my phone.....
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Care to elaborate?

i was trying to update my phones rom i think, wrong rom, ****ed the spl and radio, fixed them to the way they used to be, and it still doesn't work....
i just cant install clockwork recovery, or cyanogen 6.0 or 6.1

Yeah. That user pic is sweet. Black mesa. Bump
Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App

Ok. Well thanks ne way. Everyone continue doing all the wonderful things to phone we take for granted.
Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App

Check if Desire S is S-OFF (noob)

So i got my Desire S this week nd i LOVE it. It's my first android phone, so i wud like 2 root it. How can i check if it's S-On or S-OFF ?? I live in India if that makes any difference. Also, is rooting tougher than jailbreaking? Cuz i've jailbroken about 10 of my frndz iPods (and my own iPod 4) nd it's quite easy. Thanks

shrome99 said:
So i got my Desire S this week nd i LOVE it. It's my first android phone, so i wud like 2 root it. How can i check if it's S-On or S-OFF ?? I live in India if that makes any difference. Also, is rooting tougher than jailbreaking? Cuz i've jailbroken about 10 of my frndz iPods (and my own iPod 4) nd it's quite easy. Thanks
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You basically perform most of the steps to perform a factory reset, but not the last...
1. Power Off Phone.
2. Remove the battery, wait for a few seconds, then reinsert the battery.
3. Press and hold the VOLUME DOWN button, and then briefly press the POWER
button.
4. Wait for the screen with the three Android images to appear, and then release
the VOLUME DOWN button.
Now the top line of the screen should....say something like....
SAGA PVT SHIP and either S-ON or S-OFF
To get out of this screen:
1. hit the Power button
2. then the VOLUME DOWN to select REBOOT
3. then hit the POWER button
Once you have a S-OFF phone then getting root should be easy.

thnx bro. Sadly, my phone is S-On Is there any way to root S-On Or change it to S-Off?? Also, wats XTC Clip?

shrome99 said:
thnx bro. Sadly, my phone is S-On Is there any way to root S-On Or change it to S-Off?? Also, wats XTC Clip?
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read the forum
root + s-on = NO
simply try google for xtc clip...(its a hardware device that changes HTC phones from S-On to S-OFF)

shrome99 said:
thnx bro. Sadly, my phone is S-On Is there any way to root S-On Or change it to S-Off?? Also, wats XTC Clip?
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maybe you could try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
.. not sure.. still readin up on tryin to root a friends htc desire s wiv s-on .. lemme know if this worked for u (i can only try wen i get the phone in my hand)

!
... or instead of flooding you could read PINNED NEWBIE GUIDE topic in this forum!!!
no offence

schizovivek said:
maybe you could try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
.. not sure.. still readin up on tryin to root a friends htc desire s wiv s-on .. lemme know if this worked for u (i can only try wen i get the phone in my hand)
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Bumping an old topic, then linking someone to a rooting guide on the my touch 4g forum? ... -_-"
Please consult with these threads.
[GUIDE] How to S-OFF your 1.47.x ROM with Revolutionary (without downgrading)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194488
[GUIDE] Update 28/06/11: HTC Desire S Guide (V1.03) For Newcomers to Android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097538
[GUIDE] A Complete Tutorial for the Beginners and Others
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186401
[INDEX][19 OCT 11] ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/RADIOS/TWEAKS/GUIDES/etc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146601

Well dunno what you mean with the bumping statement, but I figd the procedure would be same across HTC devices.. Anyways.. At least my response got a helpful response from you

schizovivek said:
Well dunno what you mean with the bumping statement, but I figd the procedure would be same across HTC devices.. Anyways.. At least my response got a helpful response from you
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I can see you intention was good, but unfortunately the rooting process varies slightly between devices, this comes down to the bootloader, android version, and HTC build version, each have different parts which can be exploited in order to create a loop hole in order to abuse.
The problem is, all it takes is one person to not read your post completely, follow that guide, then when something goes wrong they're coming back and posting "HULP FONE NO BOOT WUT DO NOW?!111" on the dev board.

zeekiz said:
I can see you intention was good, but unfortunately the rooting process varies slightly between devices, this comes down to the bootloader, android version, and HTC build version, each have different parts which can be exploited in order to create a loop hole in order to abuse.
The problem is, all it takes is one person to not read your post completely, follow that guide, then when something goes wrong they're coming back and posting "HULP FONE NO BOOT WUT DO NOW?!111" on the dev board.
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Hahahaha.. Got your point.. I've seen such responses when I was reading posts related to s2 rooting.. Luckily for me rooting was a breeze.. I will try your suggestions once my friend gets the desire s.. So tell me.. Your ds was s-off or s-on? If on was there any particular thread that was the most helpful
Edit: ok... read the how to s-off guide.. man its painful

When I got my HTC Desire S I was lucky to have the Telstra pre-installed ROM, S-ON, no root etc. The bootloader was the first one .. (can't think of the version sorry), which at least made the process a breeze.
But literally I took the phone out of the box (brand new haha), turned it on, rooted it, installed recovery, and installed a custom ROM.
I did complete the process using a Live USB Ubuntu, I highly recommend doing it this way, as you won't experience any issues with drives etc. It does take away a lot of the hassle you see in a lot of the threads with phones not being recognised, and what-not.

zeekiz said:
When I got my HTC Desire S I was lucky to have the Telstra pre-installed ROM, S-ON, no root etc. The bootloader was the first one .. (can't think of the version sorry), which at least made the process a breeze.
But literally I took the phone out of the box (brand new haha), turned it on, rooted it, installed recovery, and installed a custom ROM.
I did complete the process using a Live USB Ubuntu, I highly recommend doing it this way, as you won't experience any issues with drives etc. It does take away a lot of the hassle you see in a lot of the threads with phones not being recognised, and what-not.
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oh ok.. will give it a go.. cant believe am puttin so much efforts to rooting sum1 elses phone especially wen they dont want it ... would it be fine if i PM'd u in a week or two's time in case i face any issues? or ill just post here if u have subscribed to this post

schizovivek said:
oh ok.. will give it a go.. cant believe am puttin so much efforts to rooting sum1 elses phone especially wen they dont want it ... would it be fine if i PM'd u in a week or two's time in case i face any issues? or ill just post here if u have subscribed to this post
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Sure, not a problem. If your able to find out the Bootloader version, ROM version etc. it would help a lot as we can at least advise you as to what you need to do in order to complete a hassle free process ;-).
Bootloader - hold volume down button, then press power on (when the phone is switched off (make sure fast boot is disabled))
ROM version - Settings > About Phone > Software Information

zeekiz said:
Sure, not a problem. If your able to find out the Bootloader version, ROM version etc. it would help a lot as we can at least advise you as to what you need to do in order to complete a hassle free process ;-).
Bootloader - hold volume down button, then press power on (when the phone is switched off (make sure fast boot is disabled))
ROM version - Settings > About Phone > Software Information
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will do .. thnks for the prompt replies

never pull the battery out!!
I s-offed and rooted last week via revolutionary
Its said loads on here but you gotta read the threads, and the old hands get annoyed if you ask questions that have been asked loadsa times before!
Using ADB ive found its way easier to copy a cmd.exe into your android-win-tools folder so you dont need to keep navigating to that folder in cmd, assuming youre using windows

[Q] eng s-off problem.

Hello to every one here in this forum.
I am posting here a topic about a problem I have with my new htc inspire 4G.
I had rooted my phone with success with the ace hack kit and loaded the revolution
HD rom .after one o 2 days II thought I load the radio that was given with this rom
So I went to make the phone eng s-off and I forgot to check the I have s-off.
Now the problem is I cannot get to the boot screen and when I turn on the phone it takes about half an hour to start. After that every thing is ok.trying every thing to get the stock rom back but no success. All the methods I found at this forum will fail. The phone just freezes and I have to take the battery to start it again and wait for half an hour to start.
Any help would be grateful.
Thanks.

Look for Gene Poole's s-on tool. Follow his instructions and return to stock. Then try the hack kit from attn1. You should be set then.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium

You need to get a proper hboot installed. The newer Inspires have some hardware just enough different that the ENG hboot and/or the older Froyo hboot images will cause just this problem. Since you were able to install this, then you are obviously S-OFF. As such, you can install a new hboot from the booted phone (once it is finally booted) but it is tricky and involves operations that could really screw things up. Your best bet is to jump into the IRC channel and get some real-time help with this:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#liberatedAria

proper hboot
Hello and thanks for your replys.
I am new to these things and i did manager to root my phone with sucsess and load a new rom. The only problem is with the hboot now. How can i fix it to be ok. If i have fast boot enable the phone starts up in 5 sec. if i do not i have to wait about half an hour to start after that every thin is working ok.
What do i have to do?
Any more help would be gratfull.
And sorry for my bad english.

proper hboot
ok guys after i installed the eng s-off the phone canot boot normal any more.
any ideas to fix it or leave it like this?

VAMIAN said:
ok guys after i installed the eng s-off the phone canot boot normal any more.
any ideas to fix it or leave it like this?
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Have you tried hittng the irc link above that gene poole posted for you??????
I got your 10 char right here

You should read up on this phone in the threads. Its been stated many places that eng s-off messes with the new hboot and you dont even need it to flash a radio. Hboot does this with a pd98img without needing eng s-off. But I hope you go to the link suggested and get it fixed. Stay away from eng s-off.
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium

proper hboo
First i want to thank you guys for your replys i did use the Gene Poole's s-on tool
but it says no image or wrong image i tryed 3-4 times but sill the same.
any ideas about not wanting to load the PD98IMG.ZIP?

eng s-off problem
i finally did manage to to load Gene Poole's s-on tool but still the problem is there and phone is still eng s-off.

Problem fixed
I want to thank you all for all the good things and help you have here.
phone is fixed i took the battery out and after that the phone starts and boots
like new.
thanks again

[Q] Just can't get S-OFF Help Please!

Hi Guy's and Gall's
For some reason I can't get my HTC sensation to S-off, I am not new to android or rooting Android phones ( Huwei pulse , HTC wildfire , Htc disire HD, samsung NC110 on 2.3 duel boot with wifi) But this one has got me stuck
I have searched and searched on the net for other solutions/fix's and just find the same methods and no solution.
This is where it all stops every time! ( straight of the bat basically )
=============================================
| Revolutionary S-OFF & Recovery Tool 0.4pre4 |
=============================================
Brought to you by AlphaRev & unrEVOked.
Waiting for device...
Found your device: HTC Sensation (pyramid-1.18.0000, Android: 2.3.4, ROM version: 1.50.114.2)
This is a beta release and requires a beta release key.
Please visit: XXXXXXXXXXXXX for more information.
Enter beta key [ serial: HT17NV803989 ]: 2Irx1QkWETp6ErwE
Beta key accepted - thank you for participating!
Zerging Root... this might take a minute or so.. Failed to get Root!
Press (almost) any key to exit.
CID = TMNL T-MOB003 (T-Mob Netherlands)
I have had 1 OTA and Unlocked bootloader via HTC dev method, I can re-lock and Un-lock nothing makes a difference.
I have the Drivers, ADB, etc, ( and have deleted and re-installed )Factory reset also makes no difference in the outcome, the process stops at the same point ( above) and the time it takes also remains the same regardless of what I do.
I would Like to get access to the root folder to remove the T-Mob and other annoying apps and perhaps in future run a custom rom.
Any one who can help Please?? What am I doing wrong??
Thanks in advance...
Moderator's If this is in the wrong place sorry... please move.

Andrew-HTC said:
Hi Guy's and Gall's
For some reason I can't get my HTC sensation to S-off, I am not new to android or rooting Android phones ( Huwei pulse , HTC wildfire , Htc disire HD, samsung NC110 on 2.3 duel boot with wifi) But this one has got me stuck
I have searched and searched on the net for other solutions/fix's and just find the same methods and no solution.
This is where it all stops every time! ( straight of the bat basically )
=============================================
| Revolutionary S-OFF & Recovery Tool 0.4pre4 |
=============================================
Brought to you by AlphaRev & unrEVOked.
Waiting for device...
Found your device: HTC Sensation (pyramid-1.18.0000, Android: 2.3.4, ROM version: 1.50.114.2)
This is a beta release and requires a beta release key.
Please visit: XXXXXXXXXXXXX for more information.
Enter beta key [ serial: HT17NV803989 ]: 2Irx1QkWETp6ErwE
Beta key accepted - thank you for participating!
Zerging Root... this might take a minute or so.. Failed to get Root!
Press (almost) any key to exit.
CID = TMNL T-MOB003 (T-Mob Netherlands)
I have had 1 OTA and Unlocked bootloader via HTC dev method, I can re-lock and Un-lock nothing makes a difference.
I have the Drivers, ADB, etc, ( and have deleted and re-installed )Factory reset also makes no difference in the outcome, the process stops at the same point ( above) and the time it takes also remains the same regardless of what I do.
I would Like to get access to the root folder to remove the T-Mob and other annoying apps and perhaps in future run a custom rom.
Any one who can help Please?? What am I doing wrong??
Thanks in advance...
Moderator's If this is in the wrong place sorry... please move.
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Lucky for you I found this same problem yesterday and figured it out lol.
Hope this works......
1) Get to the part where you have to enter in the beta key but don't hit enter yet.
2) On your phone go to settings/connect to PC/Charge only
3) On your phone again go to settings/applications/development/USB debugging and check the box.
4) Hit enter on your computer and see what happens.

Yerdan said:
Lucky for you I found this same problem yesterday and figured it out lol.
Hope this works......
1) Get to the part where you have to enter in the beta key but don't hit enter yet.
2) On your phone go to settings/connect to PC/Charge only
3) On your phone again go to settings/applications/development/USB debugging and check the box.
4) Hit enter on your computer and see what happens.
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I am getting the same error... tried several times.....
Your specified method is not working for me

The OTA and HTC.dev are stopping the process. Thread on solution here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469296
Sent from my Pyramid-T

just stay unlocked in bootloader and install android revolution hd 3.6.13 and after the phone boots run the revolutionary.exe and u will see s-off
i tried this for me and that worked successfull
if u like the answer press THANKS

hey. try the app called HTC sUper tool (something like that)
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using XDA App

make sure you have all your drivers installed. if needed go to your start tab on your computer, right click on computer, device manager & search for the device and make sure it's installed all drivers completely by right clicking and pressing update driver.
sorry if this is known information already, but Hope this helps
Sent from my Nook Tablet using Tapatalk

Hi all. Just got my Sensation XE from china(gonkong ) . I have the same problem. I've red multiple treads, but couldnt find answer... have same error on "revolutionary" - Failed to get root.
ver 1.18.0000
Android 2.3.4
Thank you for your help.

Thanks Guy's for you help so far,
I have tride most of your sugestions and I re-installed the htc driver and ADB/fastboot last night.
Then I thought I would do yet another factory reset..... and have another go, But I got a surprise oem recovery is dead??? and so is the factory reset??? both give me a white HTC screen, and this lasts for 1 hour or forever or till I remove the battery. I had not noticed this before.
After I pull the battery the phone will reboot and work as normal. so not bricked yet
Do I now need to re install recovery or ???
Help is much appreciated as I would like to get the thing S-Off before the ICS OTA update arrives, Tho I will probably not get the update till I fix the recovery issue.

For you followers, I have just ( finally )received the OTA update to ICS It is installing as I type.
My location is the south of Holland, My phone is the sensation and network provider is T-Mobile NL.
Just thought I should let you know.
Now once this is installed I will start reading about getting the phone rooted.

Final Solution
Go for Tacoroot method..it works...dont worry abt bricking and all..
search tacoroot method...(tricky process)it gives temporary root access...
then do Revolutionary S-off...it definitely works...
Install 4ext recovery
install Superuser...
install suitable firmware
insatall rom...
You might go into bootloops but dont panic...installing ROM will take care of that..
Ping me for any doubts...INDIA
Go ahead and ROOT...life becomes Awesome after that...
HTC Sensation XE Beats audio..

Andrew-HTC said:
For you followers, I have just ( finally )received the OTA update to ICS It is installing as I type.
My location is the south of Holland, My phone is the sensation and network provider is T-Mobile NL.
Just thought I should let you know.
Now once this is installed I will start reading about getting the phone rooted.
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if you wnat to enjoy custom roms and all dont do OTA ICS update
as it will update your bootloader to 1.27 with S-ON
and there is currently no solution/tool to S-OFF with H-BOOT 1.27
so i strongly advise you to stay out of it
for your previous HBOOT (i presume its 1.18) there is solution..
you need to use tacoroot to do a temp-root then follow the revolutionary
there is a guide for that
search for it

HElP ME!!!!
Can´t i get s-off
my phone have Hboot 1.18 and is a htc Sensation
When i Use revolutionary says
ZERGING ROOT THIS MIGTH TAKE A MINUTE OR SO..... FAILED TO GET ROOT
ALMOST I USED TACOROOT AND NOTHING

HAMLET93 said:
Can´t i get s-off
my phone have Hboot 1.18 and is a htc Sensation
When i Use revolutionary says
ZERGING ROOT THIS MIGTH TAKE A MINUTE OR SO..... FAILED TO GET ROOT
ALMOST I USED TACOROOT AND NOTHING
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What happened when you used tacoroot? Tacoroot method should work
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium

This happen with tacoroot
ganeshp said:
What happened when you used tacoroot? Tacoroot method should work
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium
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The same Revolutionary show me a message Zerging ROOT and later failed to get root

check usb adapter
use usb 2.0 ...not usb 3.0

use this guide for proper tacoroot method