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is 4G worth it?

Hey,
I'm contemplating getting a Sensation in Canada, but I may wait for Rogers to get their new LTE network going before getting a new phone. Would you guys say that the 4G is worth waiting for? Or should I just get the Sensation now?

jun.seba said:
Hey,
I'm contemplating getting a Sensation in Canada, but I may wait for Rogers to get their new LTE network going before getting a new phone. Would you guys say that the 4G is worth waiting for? Or should I just get the Sensation now?
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Wait...and use the money that's obviously burning a hole in your pocket for more prudent things...such as contributing to your 401k...
Nah, but 4g is ok...I see it as a luxury, if you can afford it and you REALLY want it then sure. But whether or not it's worth is is as simple as thinking about how much you really value a few extra seconds between page loads. With bandwith caps, 4g isn't really all that attractive anymore honestly...

jun.seba said:
Hey,
I'm contemplating getting a Sensation in Canada, but I may wait for Rogers to get their new LTE network going before getting a new phone. Would you guys say that the 4G is worth waiting for? Or should I just get the Sensation now?
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Something else to think about, just because they launch LTE won't guarantee that they will have the backhaul to make it fast. Most, if not all, of Sprints WiMAX, Verizon's LTE is slower than 3G simply because they don't have the backhaul or capacity yet.
It took T-Mobile 2 more years after launching UMTS to get HSPA+ going. Food for thought.

hmm.....well put...thanks guys. will have a new Sensation tomorrow

With these prices... its not worth it.
$45 1.5 GB
$60 3 GB
$75 6 GB
$90 9 GB

Actually T－Mobile's 4G is not the real 4G..It is HSPA＋
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What a douche! Check My sig T-Mobile 4G is as fast as "4G" LTE shut your hole dude.

navillos said:
What a douche! Check My sig T-Mobile 4G is as fast as "4G" LTE shut your hole dude.
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I don't think that was called for.

Definitely not better than EDGE.
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jerrylzy said:
Actually T－Mobile's 4G is not the real 4G..It is HSPA＋
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4g has no real standards. It's simply the 4th generation of wireless data.
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jerrylzy said:
Actually T－Mobile's 4G is not the real 4G..It is HSPA＋
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What are you talking about? Did ANYONE in this thread say ANYTHING about T-Mobile and 4G?
Read the post before making idiot responses.

sensation is a solid phone, reminds me of my nexus one that I wish I never traded. Would probably still be using that, instead of the phone path I went through. Pricing of 4g isnt worth it, you can just get internet services at a home. My local carrier is rolling out "4g" and I'm priced for life at $14.99 unlimited text & data. I don't plan on leaving the carrier anytime soon, and my download speeds on average are 3-4mbps, high has been up to 8mbps.

Unless your in a big popular city where they will try to put out the LTE signal and support it I wouldnt worry about it. Everyone I know here (Dallas) on Sprint's 4g and Verizons has sporadic problems with signal and speeds. Its fast when its there but they dont get it much.
T-Mo US's may not be real 4G but they have good coverage (for me) with it and I love the phone so I personally wouldnt wait unless you get some good info on the quality of 4G in your area.

navillos said:
What a douche! Check My sig T-Mobile 4G is as fast as "4G" LTE shut your hole dude.
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I see just the *slightest* overreaction here.
However, to answer the OP's question: Yes, 4G it's worth it to me. Accessing information no longer takes a brutally long time. I have fewer reasons to take a laptop most of to time. I can have long conversations with my girl or family while browsing these forums or the web in general.
I see download speeds anywhere from 3mbps to 11mbps depending on where I am at the time. This is more that fast enough for me to forget that I am not on Wifi. This is what I have always wanted using a smartphone to be like.
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setzer715 said:
What are you talking about? Did ANYONE in this thread say ANYTHING about T-Mobile and 4G?
Read the post before making idiot responses.
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T-Mobile's 4G is HSPA+,isn't it? I am not talking about LTE

HSPA+ is not 4g and neither is the current iteration of verizons LTE.
LTE is still faster than HSPA+ but it drains your battery. I have been getting amazing HSPA+speeds but its in very limited locations (downtown seattle only). 4G is worth it, be it real or fake its much faster than 3g but i kind of like HSPA+ cuz at least its not such a battery hog like LTE.

jerrylzy said:
T-Mobile's 4G is HSPA+,isn't it? I am not talking about LTE
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If your not talking about LTE, then why are you posting in this thread? Yes, T-mobile's network is HSPA+. No one is arguing that. What we do want to know, though, is why you mentioned it? The OP, who lives in Canada, was asking if it was worth getting the Sensation now (which won't be on a 4G network as it's not launched) or waiting for when they launch LTE (in Canada) and buy it on a 4G LTE network.
What does that have to do with T-Mobile NOT being a TRUE 4G network?
Maybe I read it wrong so,,,
I'm contemplating getting a Sensation in Canada, but I may wait for Rogers to get their new LTE network going before getting a new phone. Would you guys say that the 4G is worth waiting for? Or should I just get the Sensation now?
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Nope, he was talking about LTE 4G in Canada, NOT T-mobile 4G. Still do NOT understand the point of your comment.
EDIT: On a side note of true 4G. NO carrier in the WORLD can claim 4G as 4G is only classed as WiMAX II or LTE Advanced with speeds of 100Mbps. With that said, T-Mobile is not either of those technologies, but they are half way to the speeds which is about 4 times faster than anyone else in the world.

setzer715 said:
If your not talking about LTE, then why are you posting in this thread? Yes, T-mobile's network is HSPA+. No one is arguing that. What we do want to know, though, is why you mentioned it? The OP, who lives in Canada, was asking if it was worth getting the Sensation now (which won't be on a 4G network as it's not launched) or waiting for when they launch LTE (in Canada) and buy it on a 4G LTE network.
What does that have to do with T-Mobile NOT being a TRUE 4G network?
Maybe I read it wrong so,,,
Nope, he was talking about LTE 4G in Canada, NOT T-mobile 4G. Still do NOT understand the point of your comment.
EDIT: On a side note of true 4G. NO carrier in the WORLD can claim 4G as 4G is only classed as WiMAX II or LTE Advanced with speeds of 100Mbps. With that said, T-Mobile is not either of those technologies, but they are half way to the speeds which is about 4 times faster than anyone else in the world.
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OK,calm down please. If I post wrong in this thread , please forgive me , i didn't look it carefully.Sorry.

r3awak3n said:
HSPA+ is not 4g and neither is the current iteration of verizons LTE.
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Not relevant to the OP but the ITU actually stated the term 4g may be applied to "LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

i DONT reccommend getting rogers 4G, purely for the excessive cost, shakey availability, and the fact that when they do actually launch, its going to be rife with problems...using 3g on my sensation is mroe than fast enough, and really, if you want fast data, just use home internet and access it with logmein from your fone...
i used to be with rogers, but the cost/bandwidth of data just didnt cut it for me...

At7t and T-mobile Merge

Look what I found in the customers ads that come with my bill, I think T-mobile might be leaks us some infomation before the FCC, or who ever they are aproves this merge!!!!

Sad.
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That's not a leak or announcement that the merger (acquisition is more accurate) has been approved, although it likely will. They're just advertising for it to inform customers about it, calm fears, and get you on their side for WHEN it happens. This is standard stuff for acquisitions like this. It's not a secret that T-Mobile is trying to be purchased by AT&T.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Haha I must be one of the few Sensation users on AT&T... I had to buy my Sensation from Canada to get the correct bands xD

Spr33y said:
Haha I must be one of the few Sensation users on AT&T... I had to buy my Sensation from Canada to get the correct bands xD
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Really pricey huh??? Does it work well??

Q: Will I have to upgrade my T-Mobile 3G/4G device after the acquisition closes?
A: T-Mobile has no plans to alter our 3G / 4G network in any way that would make your device obsolete. The deal is expected to close in approximately 12 months. After that, decisions about the network will be AT&T’s to make. That said, the president and CEO of AT&T Mobility was quoted in the Associated Press saying “there’s nothing for [customers] to worry about… [network changes affecting devices] will be done over time… ”
What a ****ty answer.. Pretty much means YEAH you will.. just not right now!

Spr33y said:
Haha I must be one of the few Sensation users on AT&T... I had to buy my Sensation from Canada to get the correct bands xD
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I also just received my z710a sensation...what radio are your using and what rom are you using?
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The biggest problem that most don't realize is there is gonna be a lot of people out of work.
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chrisizzle492 said:
The biggest problem that most don't realize is there is gonna be a lot of people out of work.
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Oh I didn't forget...I'm one of them.

The T-Mobile girl looks really sad in that ad....i feel your pain baby

Jayedamina said:
The T-Mobile girl looks really sad in that ad....i feel your pain baby
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Only because now she'll have to hang out with that queer apple guy.

Hope they don't f us tmo users.
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MarlinFF said:
Q: Will I have to upgrade my T-Mobile 3G/4G device after the acquisition closes?
A: T-Mobile has no plans to alter our 3G / 4G network in any way that would make your device obsolete. The deal is expected to close in approximately 12 months. After that, decisions about the network will be AT&T’s to make. That said, the president and CEO of AT&T Mobility was quoted in the Associated Press saying “there’s nothing for [customers] to worry about… [network changes affecting devices] will be done over time… ”
What a ****ty answer.. Pretty much means YEAH you will.. just not right now!
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Yes, you will have to switch phones eventually. AT&T will shift T-Mobile users to different 3G frequencies over time so you will need a new phone. But, they say they're going to spread that shift over several years to allow customers to replace phones at the time they normally would. Basically, if you switch phones every 2 years like most people, you won't notice and your phone won't just stop working on you from one day to the next. If you want to hang on to you Sensation 3-4 years from now, you're going to be pissed

Q: How many phones is ATT selling that are prepared to take advantage of T-Mobil's spectrum.
A: It was a retorical question.
Q: What changes are being made to integrate ATT and T-Mobil so that ATT customers can use T-Mobile's spectrum?
A: See the answer to the first question.
Q: How many phones are passing through the FCC with capability to use both ATT and T-Mobil networks.
A: Am I making sense yet?
Q: Will AT&T be making T-Mobil phones obsolete immediately after the merger?
A: Why/how could they?
MarlinFF said:
Q: Will I have to upgrade my T-Mobile 3G/4G device after the acquisition closes?
A: T-Mobile has no plans to alter our 3G / 4G network in any way that would make your device obsolete. The deal is expected to close in approximately 12 months. After that, decisions about the network will be AT&T’s to make. That said, the president and CEO of AT&T Mobility was quoted in the Associated Press saying “there’s nothing for [customers] to worry about… [network changes affecting devices] will be done over time… ”
What a ****ty answer.. Pretty much means YEAH you will.. just not right now!
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I suspect there will be a transition rather than an abrupt change; I remember this sort of thing happening before:
First, phones that will support the current networks and the future networks will be made available as an option, and those phones will have a slight premium price but offer assurance that they will work in the future.
Second, those phones that work with both the current and future network will be mandatory for new contracts and contract changes.
Third, the network switchover will happen - probably in stages - and eventually older phones will be poorly supported or not supported at all. This will happen when your shiney new Sensation is an old phone that doesn't run the newest Android OS, with hardware that doesn't support the latest bla bla bla.
When it happened before with tri-mode phones, people cried and wined that their 2-year old POS phone was no longer supported, but they got another phone and moved on and today they wouldn't even dream of using that POS phone; but everyone benefited because networks as a whole were improved.

New accidentally released document over at tmonews dot com.
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chrisizzle492 said:
The biggest problem that most don't realize is there is gonna be a lot of people out of work.
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True it is a possiblity but in the agreement of the merger they set aside a bunch of money for payouts to the people that get laidoff which is good. At least they are doing what they can.
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Im confused

I own an inpsire 4G that is stock on att. Today I just passed through the store and one of thr salesman asked me if I know about the upcoming lte network. He assured me that it would work fine on my inspire. I am sure lte requires different bands so is he wrong or I am wrong ?? Excuse the noob question and thank you in advance
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The representative did not know what he was talking about. We do not have an LTE modem physically present in our Inspires.
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Ohh ok thanks I thought this too but just wanted to confirm.
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he wanted to make the sale get his commission that's why its best to know before you shop cause any store especially cell phone carriers will lie to your face and hopee your too lazy to return the phone

I think there is a lot of misinformation out there about "4G" and HSPA+ and LTE.

Gotta love that FauxG. I wonder how service reps are going to explain it to all the lay people who bought Inspires thinking they were on a 4G network, and are wondering why they aren't on the new 4G network.
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I understand. I bought my inspire 4 months ago understanding that it won't have lte. I clearly understand the difdernce but for someone who is not as tech savy and end up buying the inspire expecting lte speeds could be very disappointed.
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Hey, its AT&T, of course they'll lie to make a quick buck

Could we sue for false advertisement?

Can't sue because they marketed it as a 4G phone anr not an LTE phone. Hspa+ was ruled to technically be 4G. I knew this was gonna mess people up, as I am sure ATT did. But, I am sure their legal army ok'd the marketing.
Hell do you realize how many people thought/think the iPhone 4 is 4G. Lots
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If the Inspire DID work on the LTE network, if there was backwards compatibility, it just wouldn't do it at LTE speeds.
It's like the salesman saying your 65 horsepower 1978 AMC Pacer can drive on the Autobahn. Sure, you can drive on it, just not at Autobahn speeds. :O

Wait, you guys don't have LTE on your inspires? Mine does!
jk lol

stickbo said:
Can't sue because they marketed it as a 4G phone anr not an LTE phone. Hspa+ was ruled to technically be 4G. I knew this was gonna mess people up, as I am sure ATT did. But, I am sure their legal army ok'd the marketing.
Hell do you realize how many people thought/think the iPhone 4 is 4G. Lots
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i laugh my ass off when people say that about the iphone, its just funny
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yeah lets not tar all seles reps with the same brush ..i work for an at&t dealer and i try to inform my customers of what there buying and all the pro's and cons ...the fact that i like to "tinker " with my phones only emphasizes the fact ...sure there are asses out there but some of us still believe in taking care of the customer

I have found that alot of ATT reps know less about their product than I do... I had one guy try tellin me that the inspire had a front facing camera. See right there? I said, no that's the light sensor. Idiot. Had another swear up and down that lte will indeed work with the inspire. There's more but can't think of it now.
I wish there were more knowledgeable reps like you ^
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want to trade my inspire

Want to trade/sell my inspire to get a different phone... something with around the same specs and screen size. Is a iPhone 3GS better? I need a new phone cause I can't handle the edge connection. I unlokced my ispire for tmobile and that's all I get is edge, I want 3g...
Any ideas or thoughts on good trades...
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Yeah go buy an iphone. Oh wait, you will only get edge with it too. If you want 3G data on T-mobile then buy a T-mobile phone. Try this link: http://www.t-mobile.com

SdRasta said:
Is a iPhone 3GS better?
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You're joking, right?
Seriously though, if you are on T-Mobile, you should be looking for a phone that works on their bands. As far as a trade, I don't know what you could expect to get for an Inspire right now.

I know on cdma theres an app to force 3G on roam and it works pretty good. And there are tweaks for unlocked phones on other networks to force 3G. Is this not possible for GSM?
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Roaming has NOTHING to do with it. T-mobile has it's own distinct 3G data bands that are different from the rest of the world. If you want 3G on T-mobile, get a T-mobile branded phone. Go to the T-mobile link I gave you and look at the phones and their reviews. And this topic has nothing to do with the Inspire let alone the development of it.

How much are you asking for your inspire?
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We arent your financial advisers haha. best thing wouldl be go to tmobile and find a phone that works on their network. google gsm arena, that will get u a site that lists phone specs and you can compare them. research = key.

I have to agree. If you want 3g then get a tmobile phone. Its hat simple.
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[Q] Does HTC One X on T-mob

Has anyone gotten the phone working on T- mob? Keep reading that the Rogers has the same bands?
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gorillaz1 said:
Has anyone gotten the phone working on T- mob? Keep reading that the Rogers has the same bands?
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Nope, Rogers is the same bands as at&t.
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gorillaz1 said:
Has anyone gotten the phone working on T- mob? Keep reading that the Rogers has the same bands?
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Att hox works on tmob only edge here in US, not sure about intl.
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kleeman7 said:
Nope, Rogers is the same bands as at&t.
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Sad panda. Almost tempted anyway with tmobile refarming...
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gorillaz1 said:
Sad panda. Almost tempted anyway with tmobile refarming...
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I did read once we achieve s-off you would be able to get 4g, but not sure when that will be.
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I need to play with one in a store. I had a note I recently sold. I'm addicted to big screens.
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gorillaz1 said:
I need to play with one in a store. I had a note I recently sold. I'm addicted to big screens.
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Me too, the hox is perfect size.
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kleeman7 said:
I did read once we achieve s-off you would be able to get 4g, but not sure when that will be.
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The limitation will be the hardware, the radios in the AT&T/Rogers version will not work with TMO's 4G network.

moregadget said:
The limitation will be the hardware, the radios in the AT&T/Rogers version will not work with TMO's 4G network.
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Information is conflicting, but some specs for the AT&T One X list the AWS band (1700/2100 MHz) used by T-Mobile for 3G/4G. Its not supported in software, but some have speculated (maybe wishful thinking) that the hardware is there, and something just needs to be changed in software to make it work.
This was the case with the Galaxy Note. AWS is not officially supported, but the hardware is actually there, and one of the folks here on XDA was able to hack it to work.
Its not a sure bet whether such a thing is possible on the AT&T One X. Seems largely speculation for the time being. Unless it really happens, using the One X on EDGE seems like a poor compromise. The One S doesn't have nearly as nice a screen, but same chipset, and still a nice phone. And if I were on T-Mob, I would certainly consider it.

redpoint73 said:
Information is conflicting, but some specs for the AT&T One X list the AWS band (1700/2100 MHz) used by T-Mobile for 3G/4G. Its not supported in software, but some have speculated (maybe wishful thinking) that the hardware is there, and something just needs to be changed in software to make it work.
This was the case with the Galaxy Note. AWS is not officially supported, but the hardware is actually there, and one of the folks here on XDA was able to hack it to work.
Its not a sure bet whether such a thing is possible on the AT&T One X. Seems largely speculation for the time being. Unless it really happens, using the One X on EDGE seems like a poor compromise. The One S doesn't have nearly as nice a screen, but same chipset, and still a nice phone. And if I were on T-Mob, I would certainly consider it.
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Hmm... Ok well I will gladly eat the words as I am all about devices being able to work with the broadest number of carriers...
The ability to do that is rare but perhaps the most recent chipsets have all the radio components there to make it only a SW issue...
I'll happily stand corrected if someone has it working!

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The ability to do that is rare but perhaps the most recent chipsets have all the radio components there to make it only a SW issue...
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This has only been the case on the Galaxy Note, that I'm aware. And a (somewhat skeptical) "maybe" on the One X.
I think its less of a "recent chipset" thing, and more an indication of market forces at the time. My hunch is that it had something to do with the (now defunct) merger deal between AT&T and T-Mobile. As both these phones were being spec'ed and designed around the time the deal was looking like it was going through. These devices would have acted as "bridge" devices for when the AT&T started taking over the T-mobile frequencies.
If the deal had gone through, my guess is that the AWS bands would have been fully supported on these devices, and we would have seen more phones with similar band support.

redpoint73 said:
This has only been the case on the Galaxy Note, that I'm aware. And a (somewhat skeptical) "maybe" on the One X.
I think its less of a "recent chipset" thing, and more an indication of market forces at the time. My hunch is that it had something to do with the (now defunct) merger deal between AT&T and T-Mobile. As both these phones were being spec'ed and designed around the time the deal was looking like it was going through. These devices would have acted as "bridge" devices for when the AT&T started taking over the T-mobile frequencies.
If the deal had gone through, my guess is that the AWS bands would have been fully supported on these devices, and we would have seen more phones with similar band support.
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Perhaps but at&t owns no 1700 mhz spectrum but does have some 2100 mhz although a lot less since they gave up some huge chunks in the breakup deal with TMO. I believe though that the way that TMO uses their spectrum for 4G is that one band say 1700 is for download and the other, 2100, is for upload...
Previously the devices for at&t didn't have the ability to do the 1700 band but most had the 2100 capability since it is also used internationally.
So if it does have the expanded radio capability it would be interesting to see if someone could disable the unused radios to assist with battery life... With so many smart people here I am sure that already is happening but just my curiosity. TMO users would want to disable the low band radios 700/850/900 since TMO USA doesn't use those so why waste power on them, AT&T users would want to disable the 1700 band, etc...
Again probably already being done and I am just getting to the party...

There had been a few phones this had worked on, sgs2, lg thrill, the note as stated before. I think the radio hardware just needs to be told what bands to look for, but I would be way wrong.
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