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[Q] No 4G until May?

I stopped by a corp store on Monday and compared speeds of the Inspire to my Captivate. After getting same speeds on both phones I spoke to the store manager that assured me 4G would be operational the following day. I stopped by again today and ran speed test on both devices. The Captivate actually had slightly faster speeds at 2.77 up and .37 down while the Inspire did 2.61 down and same(.37) up. When I asked CS rep about 4G today, I was told that 4G will not be implemented until May. What BS! They are advertising 4G everywhere as if it is running now. How many of you are getting 4G speeds? Anyone hear anything different regarding time frame?
I am strongly considering the Inspire and am looking for a few good reasons to purchase it! Aside from no 4G speeds until May, I have read about, crappy speaker, choppy video playback, poor call quality, crappy camera, and terrible battery life. I have owned the Aria and I gotta say, some of it sounds familiar. Any input will be appreciated.

i was told they're start rolling out 4G in march but i guess it might depend on your area, i'm in chicago.
edit: my speaker is fine, louder then my iphone, excellent call quality, camera is fine, only thing i noticed is when sending a mms, it compresses it too much. batter life seems fine, i've been using it more then my phone (setting it up and playing with it) and its comparable considering the huge screen over a iphone.

http://www.att.com/network/?
Click on the "coverage" button on the bottom, that should show you where the 4G coverage is.

that explicitly says 4G not represented in that map in fine print

where are you in the US?

d00mz said:
where are you in the US?
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North Florida. Jacksonville

yeah, if you mouse over your area, there is no popup for 4g. Greater DFW has it, and if you mouse over it, you can then see a detailed 4g map.

d00mz said:
yeah, if you mouse over your area, there is no popup for 4g. Greater DFW has it, and if you mouse over it, you can then see a detailed 4g map.
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Being in DFW has its advantages.
Not many, but enough.

Thanks for the responses. I do see that there is no 4G coverage for my area listed on the map.
I guess I just have a problem being told by a store rep on Monday, that there would be 4G coverage, in my area, on Tuesday. I guess they are kept informed about as much as we are, or are just saying whatever customer wants to hear in order to sell a phone??? 4G was MY primary reason to upgrade phones now as opposed to later.
Oh well, I am glad I didn't grab the Inspire right away. I did that with the Captivate and well................... Actually, I have no issues with the Captivate after having it replaced with a new unit.

The FCC should launch an investigation into AT&Ts deceptive advertising. They are advertising a 4g network that doesn't exist for the most part.

d00mz said:
yeah, if you mouse over your area, there is no popup for 4g. Greater DFW has it, and if you mouse over it, you can then see a detailed 4g map.
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Have you ran any speed tests in a supposed 4g area? What kind of speeds are you getting if you have?

simulatordos said:
The FCC should launch an investigation into AT&Ts deceptive advertising. They are advertising a 4g network that doesn't exist for the most part.
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where is verizon when you need them? this BS about backhaul not implemented yet! if backhaul is not implemented yet, then dont call it hspa+/4G! cus you dont have hspa+/4G yet!
that is like saying we're the first in the world to have 5G!!!!! then telling people when we upgraded our networks! haha
btw: i'm in bayarea, CA which att map shows it DOES have hspa+/4g coverage, but my speed is the same! never over 3mb! i'm on rooted phone with attn1 rom. maybe i get higher speed with stock rom?

You won't get true 4G until they give out the 4G sim cards. I live south of Dallas and the most i've gotten is 4.3 down and 1.39 up.
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I got a new 4G SIM card on Sunday

No 4G here...I was getting faster speeds on my nexus one
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klquicksall said:
You won't get true 4G until they give out the 4G sim cards. I live south of Dallas and the most i've gotten is 4.3 down and 1.39 up.
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The 4G sims are to be compatible with LTE. They have nothing to do with data speeds on hspa+. You can use your old sim and it won't make a difference. They have not "flipped the switch" on it yet in most areas so we should see differences soon.

I got a new sim card as well when I purchased mines on launch day but it says 3g on it. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Inspire 4G isn't a true "4G" phone. I kind of knew this going in. It doesn't have LTE hardware (which is where everything is going). It has software tweaks that enables HDSPA+ which gives 4G speeds, but not real 4G.
I have to admit that my HSUPA enabled Captivate was faster in both DL and UP but the Inspire isn't bad and has a more consistent connection. It's also a much better phone overall but that's another story.

Today the Oaklawn Dallas AT&T store manager told me that they were not going to "flip the national hspa+ switch" for a month and a half. There is testing in some markets but not Dallas, the AT&T headquarters city. Per an internal email he showed me, the new SIM card is necessary for LTE. It also said 4g data must be enabled on the "user account configuration". My Aria data is configured for my old Blackberry and works fine so I question this. BTW, at the store my geeked out Aria (thanks attn1) had almost double the download speed of the demo Inspire. The response: speed tests are unreliabe, haha!

this is just thought but look for speed increase with the release of the atrix. this is obviously going to be there flagship phone for 4g. there has been no advertisement whatsoever for the inspire. I think for some reason that htc has a exclusive deal with these carriers to be the first 4g phone. Att has been advertising the atrix since January starting with that teaser and when on their website the atrix was on their main page with not even the mention of the inspire. Maybe they will turn hspa+ on once atrix is released tuesday. I wouldnt be surprised if the fooled the atrix people too. Ill keep the inspire but i do think its pretty cheap releasing phones before the network is ready.

ATT has done this over and over. First capped the max data plan. Now they rename their network to 4G and sell phones and cant even max out their network speed. I mean I wonder why they dont get in trouble for this kinda crap. Sprint released evo 4g with a bang with wimax ready to go, and AT&T cant even launch their fake 4g right.
They should be sued for faking the H+ symbol on top, but I dont sue people unless my life depends on it. I am just going to return this phone if thunderbolt comes out before my 30 days are up.
Why show h+ symbol when the network settings show you are only connected to HSDPA not HSDPA+. come out and say when you fake 4g network will be ready. Their graph says I have 4G all over my area up to like 60 miles, yet my crappy hacked captivate was getting the same speed as inspire plus 10 times better upload speeds. I get around 150kb upload speed.

What's the real deal with "4G"

I've heard everything. From you'll need a different Sim to get 4G speeds, you'll need to change your data plan, and at&t hasn't launched 4G yet. What's going on? I personal can't get speeds over 2.2 mbps and from what I've read nobody else can either. Whats the real deal here?
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real deal is att just relabel their 3G as 4G!
on att map, it shows i got 4G coverage in bayarea, CA.
but speedtest is the same as my regular 3G phone (captivate)!

Heck Rochester NY my Captivate if faster than the "4G" speeds. I can get 3.3 down 1.2 up on average on the captivate. Inspire is around 2.2 and .2.

rob989_69 said:
Heck Rochester NY my Captivate if faster than the "4G" speeds. I can get 3.3 down 1.2 up on average on the captivate. Inspire is around 2.2 and .2.
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hmm i get about 3.1 in rochester and .38 down constantly. where are you in roc?

JetBlk said:
hmm i get about 3.1 in rochester and .38 down constantly. where are you in roc?
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Webster
10char

I'm in ca in the valley. 3g is around 3mbps Here... I can't seem to get over 1mbps today!. Argh
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dirty secret of 4g
fake 4g vs real 4g

I was told by an att employee that they won't be launching the 4g until June. It will show up on your phone as 4g coverage but won't get the speed of it until June.

Anyone else read the title of this thread and think of "The Real Deal with Bill McNeil?"
Also, signs point to hspa+ not being turned on til some mystical future day.
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Getting around 3.5 down and 1 up. Was getting like 2 down, 1.5 up with my captivate

i'm getting up to 4.7

rob989_69 said:
Webster
10char
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ah im in henrietta

Any ETA on activating 4G in Miami?

jthornton71707 said:
I've heard everything. From you'll need a different Sim to get 4G speeds, you'll need to change your data plan, and at&t hasn't launched 4G yet. What's going on? I personal can't get speeds over 2.2 mbps and from what I've read nobody else can either. Whats the real deal here?
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I have 4G in Seattle.
I also was given a new Sim card, a bit different then the one I had for my Captivate.
I am getting anywhere from 2.5mb to 6mb DL.

The real deal is that AT&T (well all the carriers) lied to us and the newer speeds will be rolled out whenever they feel like it.
I don't know anyone who's in the prime 4G spots who gets decent speeds (without or without the patched HSUPA).
I like others on the forums have heard many mixed things about when they'll officially be rolling the faster speeds out but for the moment we all got duped.

Cwluc said:
The real deal is that AT&T (well all the carriers) lied to us and the newer speeds will be rolled out whenever they feel like it.
I don't know anyone who's in the prime 4G spots who gets decent speeds (without or without the patched HSUPA).
I like others on the forums have heard many mixed things about when they'll officially be rolling the faster speeds out but for the moment we all got duped.
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I am in Baltimore (launched 4G market) and I get better speeds in the 3G areas then I do in the center of the 4G areas.
Kinda ****ed up!

Patience
O.k. here is the real deal... an actual answer to your question rather than simply posting my speeds.
4g is being rolled out in several phases. Lets tackle them one at a time.
First AT&T is releasing HSPDA+ as 4G... technically it is not 4g but since T-Mobile is advertising it that way, so is AT&T. This has 2 different upgrades to make it work. 1) They had to do a software upgrade to the transmitters on the cell towers. I believe that it is either all complete or close to complete. So technically they are using a 4g network for those transmissions. However that leads to the second step. 2) They need to upgrade the physical wires feeding the towers to handle the additional speeds. This is a much more massive process and a much slower roll out. This is called backhaul and is creeping out now, tower by tower. (T-Mobile is in the same boat, and they also do not have their backhaul anywhere near done.)
Second phase is to upgrade the entire system to LTE (a true 4g) This process is not supposed to start until summer and not be significantly built out until mid - late 2012. Verizon also does not have much of their LTE network built out, and don't even have their LTE phone on the market yet (the Thunderbolt).
I still work in an area with only Edge... a little patience and it will get to you. I can tell you that even without the HSPDA+ network running, it is still a ton faster than my Tilt2.

4G

A little bird told me last nite that 4G is coming this fall to USCC !!! Anyone else hear this?
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Will believe it when we see that, but heres to hoping it is true!

As long a it took to get 3g I don't know.but if they do I hope it's LTE
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2 things:
1. 4G does not exist anywhere. Gigabit speeds over your phone is an awesome idea... but it's just an idea. 4G LTE as they are calling it for cell phones is a marketing term, and I hate it. 10-30MB download speed is awesome, but it's not 4G.
2. Believe it (for the LTE part). I'm in the process of working on LTE audits in my market now. You may not get it in your market this fall, but if things go as planned, some may. The game isn't the same anymore and things are coming down a lot faster than they used to.

Soooo....
Once LTE is truly on the horizon, the question then becomes "What will USCC offer for high-tier smartphones?"

phidelt82 said:
2 things:
1. 4G does not exist anywhere. Gigabit speeds over your phone is an awesome idea... but it's just an idea. 4G LTE as they are calling it for cell phones is a marketing term, and I hate it. 10-30MB download speed is awesome, but it's not 4G.
2. Believe it (for the LTE part). I'm in the process of working on LTE audits in my market now. You may not get it in your market this fall, but if things go as planned, some may. The game isn't the same anymore and things are coming down a lot faster than they used to.
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4G is just a fancy name for sped up 3G networks. You're right there is no 4G anywhere. Maybe a wi-max network or two but nothing close to actual 4G speeds. It pisses me off too that they are allowed to call these small upgrades 4G. Originally they were not going to be allowed to call it 4G but they all pushed back because of the marketing hype it would generate. None of the supposed 4G networks are that much faster than the 3G networks currently out there. How is ATT supposed to have 4G when there are three small places in the country that have 3G for them? Haha no wonder they want T-Mobile

I was on phone arena.com a while ago reading the news and it did say they will be getting it. They are testing 4g atm.
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AT&T LTE Network Going Live This Sunday

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/att_lte_network_going_live_sunday
The cities included in this initial wave are Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Although users in those metro areas will still have very few LTE devices to choose from. Unlike Verizon, which has multiple LTE handsets, AT&T has no phones compatible with the new network. AT&T launched a data stick and a portable hotspot for the LTE network last month. The carrier has also started selling a massively overpriced Android tablet, the HTC Jetstream.

sweet im in San Antonio for a little while, now for AT&T to get some phones for me to use !!!

Now if they could hurry up and increase the HSPA+ speeds. I'm still only getting 3.5mb download and 1mb upload in downtown Dallas.... iPhone 3gs gets about the same download speed, although only half of the upload speed.

Come to the other side of the Metroplex. Downtown Fort Worth and I am getting 5-7mb down, 1.1-1.3 up. I can't wait for the Holiday with LTE. That will be SO sweet.

id10terrordfw said:
Come to the other side of the Metroplex. Downtown Fort Worth and I am getting 5-7mb down, 1.1-1.3 up. I can't wait for the Holiday with LTE. That will be SO sweet.
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X's dos my brotha from anotha motha.
Saved and Texan by the grace of God, Redneck by choice.

I know the Inspire is not a LTE phone, but just launching the network upgrade has helped me to see vastly improved data speeds. I also know the Speed test app is not accurate, but I have never seen it pull these kind of speeds, especially consistently.

Well, I would like if it came out in Madison soon... (and when AT&T has more LTE Android phones)

Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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codyperez86 said:
Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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first of all you would need an LTE capable phone....the inspire is not

codyperez86 said:
Ok I live an hour away from Houston. Do you think I would still be getting LTE? Also do we need a new sim card or anything or does it automaticly happends?
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As mentioned, you would need a LTE phone first. But, being an hour away from Houston, I wouldn't run out and buy one when they become available. I live in the outskirt of Houston and HSPA+ is non existent at home. In Houston where I work, as posted, I am just now seeing the true benefit of HSPA+. Probably some bottlenecks from ongoing upgrades being freed up, maybe a little congestion as well.
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Knowing how AT&T operates, I'd imagine they opened up more bandwidth to the land-based lines to the area first to make sure their LTE debut went well and you're just seeing some of that extra bandwidth.

fernandezhjr said:
I know the Inspire is not a LTE phone, but just launching the network upgrade has helped me to see vastly improved data speeds. I also know the Speed test app is not accurate, but I have never seen it pull these kind of speeds, especially consistently.
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Turn off your wifi, Comcast customer.
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"

knarfl1 said:
Turn off your wifi, Comcast customer.
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"
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I'm not as stupid as you. I know when I'm on wifi. Here is the proof.

Here are some from earlier today. The first two were indoors, a large metal building with offices above on the second floor. The first run was bad, only 2800kbps, but I did hit 4916kbps on the second. I then went outdoors and tested a lil slower than yesterday, but not by much, 6485-7767kbps. I know we can't put too much stock in the Speed Test app, but there is some consistency and I'm getting much higher runs than I had been. Also, it seems to be reading my wifi at home with some accuracy.

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I'm not as stupid as you. I know when I'm on wifi. Here is the proof.
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lol.
Then why do you make statements like LTE network is improving the throughout of a HSPA+ phone on the 3G stack?
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"

knarfl1 said:
lol.
Then why do you make statements like LTE network is improving the throughout of a HSPA+ phone on the 3G stack?
"at&t 4G? lol. It's more like 0.4G"
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Show me where I made that statement. I stated that since the LTE launch, my data speeds have suddenly increased and I'm finally seeing true hspa+, and that is a fact. I provided a couple of possible reasons for this, as someone else cited a possibility as well. I know what you saw. You saw the hosted by Comcast in the screenshot. Lol. Anybody with half a brain would know that there would have been a wifi icon in the status bar if I was on wifi. Next time you open your mouth, try not to put your foot in it. Your little signature says it all. Just because you are in a crummy area, doesn't mean it is like that everywheres.
Check my screenshot of prior tests and tell me if you see any improvement compared to yesterday and today. LOL.
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Peace my friends peace
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Peace my friends peace
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I'm good. I just don't appreciate someone implying I'm either stupid or I'm a liar. It certainly isn't inconceivable that while AT&T was building the LTE network here in Houston, they were improving the backhaul for hspa+. Whatever the source of the improvement, I'm thrilled to see true hspa+ speeds. It is something I never expected to see with my Inspire.
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The cities included in this initial wave are Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Although users in those metro areas will still have very few LTE devices to choose from. Unlike Verizon, which has multiple LTE handsets, AT&T has no phones compatible with the new network. AT&T launched a data stick and a portable hotspot for the LTE network last month. The carrier has also started selling a massively overpriced Android tablet, the HTC Jetstream.[/QUOTE]
No westcoast cities in the works??

They finally turned on hspa+ in okc ok I'm seeing 7-9 dl constanly ul still around 1 but better signal to at my use to get 10- 30 percent now 70 -95 crazy how just one day they just flipped it on finaly I use to leave my phone on edge as o could surf internet faster that way not anymore
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No 4g, worth even buying the S III or should I wait?

I live in Omaha NE, and we still have yet to actually have 4g access. Anyone in an area without 4g have the Galaxy S III and still recommend it?

I sometimes go in spots where there is only 3g.Coming from my x2, even when only in 3g the s3 is faster and smoother then my old 3g phone, but everything is evidently gonna be 4g so you can't go wrong it's a nice phone.
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dan4877 said:
I live in Omaha NE, and we still have yet to actually have 4g access. Anyone in an area without 4g have the Galaxy S III and still recommend it?
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Well I use to live in a 4G city, Wichita, KS. Now I live in a town with only 3G, and I still love this phone! 4G is awesome, but this phone is still amazing without 4G, 4G is just icing on the cake.
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This is sort of like asking if you should build a gaming PC even though you only have dial up.
Your connection is just one part of the experience. It's up to you how smooth and fast you want everything else to be.

I work in Omaha and it has 4G all over... So does Council Bluffs.
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Of course. What else would you get?
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When you say 4g, do you mean hspa+ or lte?
I live in an area with no lte, I get respectable hspa+ speeds. If you have no hspa or lte, then I find that surprising. I thought at&t set out to cover areas lacking hspa with LTE first. Thats why cities like Philadelphia just got LTE today.
Anyway i recommend getting the s3. Its the best LTE phone out by far and eventually at&t will cover you with LTE.

jefferson9 said:
When you say 4g, do you mean hspa+ or lte?
I live in an area with no lte, I get respectable hspa+ speeds. If you have no hspa or lte, then I find that surprising. I thought at&t set out to cover areas lacking hspa with LTE first. Thats why cities like Philadelphia just got LTE today.
Anyway i recommend getting the s3. Its the best LTE phone out by far and eventually at&t will cover you with LTE.
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You probably should have taken that left at Albuquerque.

i bought me and my wife both the GS3 and live in a 3G only area only work occasionally in a poor 4G area. I came from a Nexus S and wouldn't look back at buying a different phone.

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You probably should have taken that left at Albuquerque.
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+1
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dan4877 said:
I live in Omaha NE, and we still have yet to actually have 4g access. Anyone in an area without 4g have the Galaxy S III and still recommend it?
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As it has been stated above...4g or no 4g this is (imo) the best phone out there.
I live in a non-4g area and I love the phone. I figure that whatever phone I get is only gonna be 3g (most of the time) so why not buy the best.
Plus it's like a bonus treat when I travel to a city with 4g and I see the little 4g icon pop up...It's like a special gift form the city to me

This phone is a beast, 4G or not. The processor, RAM, screen, functionality, development choices, and style are just a few things that should sway you toward buying this. Wait for what? I doubt anything can be better than the GS3 for another year.

jefferson9 said:
When you say 4g, do you mean hspa+ or lte?
I live in an area with no lte, I get respectable hspa+ speeds. If you have no hspa or lte, then I find that surprising. I thought at&t set out to cover areas lacking hspa with LTE first. Thats why cities like Philadelphia just got LTE today.
Anyway i recommend getting the s3. Its the best LTE phone out by far and eventually at&t will cover you with LTE.
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LTE, I have verizon and was sold the iphone 4s thinking I'd have 4g but the only signal I ever pick up is 3g.

dan4877 said:
LTE, I have verizon and was sold the iphone 4s thinking I'd have 4g but the only signal I ever pick up is 3g.
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You need a better phone or go to other areas of Omaha, I get 4g almost everywhere. 4 bars at home, 5 at work!

loveubuntu said:
.... Wait for what? I doubt anything can be better than the GS3 for another year.
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Well, the iPhone 5 is coming out this next month.... :angel:

dan4877 said:
I live in Omaha NE, and we still have yet to actually have 4g access. Anyone in an area without 4g have the Galaxy S III and still recommend it?
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Not sure what you're talking about. Omaha through Lincoln has great 4g service. At Eppley in Omaha last week, received 20 down and 10mps up on 4g using Speednet app.
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pvcdroid said:
Not sure what you're talking about. Omaha through Lincoln has great 4g service. At Eppley in Omaha last week, received 20 down and 10mps up on 4g using Speednet app.
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He is going on the basis that his iPhone 4s does not get 4g...think about it for a second.....
yeah
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if you have wifi in most areas than I would definitely get the S3. its an awesome device and beats the hell out of my 4S
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hesh.monster said:
He is going on the basis that his iPhone 4s does not get 4g...think about it for a second.....
yeah
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Apple confused the hell out of everyone on the 4S. I frequently talk to people with the iPhoney that think they have 4G service. Also heard of an IPOD nano coming out that is labeled 5G? or something like that. I just wish they would continue to avoid 4G service and dread the day Apple users suck up all the 4G bandwidth.

SGS3 is an awesome phone, whether you are on 3G/4G-LTE it's going to kick your old phone to the curb. The phone is faster so I could possibly pull better speeds even on 3G than your current handset. If you travel at all you'll be 4G/LTE ready and when you finally get updated locally you'll see awesome immediately.
There is also huge support for the SGS3 because of the bootloader getting unlocked a few weeks back and of course because it's just such an awesome phone period.