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Part of my business is dealing with hard drives. Lately, I've been noticing the sales of laptop size hard drives (2.5) have been declining while the really big hard drives (3.5 2T, 3T, etc.) remain the same. So, just for an experiment, I put a few new 2.5 of various sizes on ebay auction. The results are consistent. People are going for only half the prices that they are worth.
I'm guessing this is a direct result of the rising tablet market.
Anyone else noticing this trend?
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Part of my business is dealing with hard drives. Lately, I've been noticing the sales of laptop size hard drives (2.5) have been declining while the really big hard drives (3.5 2T, 3T, etc.) remain the same. So, just for an experiment, I put a few new 2.5 of various sizes on ebay auction. The results are consistent. People are going for only half the prices that they are worth.
I'm guessing this is a direct result of the rising tablet market.
Anyone else noticing this trend?
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If people are only buying it for that much, then that is how much they are worth.
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If people are only buying it for that much, then that is how much they are worth.
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True. But I'm saying it wasn't long ago that they were worth twice that much.
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True. But I'm saying it wasn't long ago that they were worth twice that much.
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Dont forget that the prices were inflated not too long ago because of the supply problems due to the disasters in the south pacific....
I dont see tablets replacing laptops anytime soon -- they will coexist for a long time, at least until flash storage is huge (1TB+) and cheap (25% more expensive than spinning, tops, and physical disc media is completely dead. Tablets are great, but not powerful or well enough supported to replace laptops.
I think for the majority of people who had bought laptops for use to "browse the web" and nothing else, the tablets may very well replace them for portability and ease of use. Though, I remember when netbooks targeted this market and a pretty broad spectrum of users bought them.
For versatility, I think laptops still have the edge over tablet devices and it might just be those who had bought laptops are now shifting over.
Tablets are on the rise, but laptops are not seeing the beginning of their demise. Laptops still do things tablets cannot, and for the vast majority of people tablets are in addition to owning a laptop, not replacements.
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Tablets are on the rise, but laptops are not seeing the beginning of their demise. Laptops still do things tablets cannot, and for the vast majority of people tablets are in addition to owning a laptop, not replacements.
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I don't know, i agree that laptops can do things that tablets cannot, but i think the reasoning behind this statement will change to the complete opposite in the near future; laptop will still be more powerful than a tablet, but it will only be used for specific niche or the pro market.
From my own experience the vast majority of people use laptop for light photo editing, productivity & entertainment. The tablet is already better at two of those; the other can be done with software advancement (real multitasking w/ 2 apps running side by side) and external keyboard.
So yeah, business needs to adapt qui kly to this fact or face real troubles.
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Im curious. Do you still have unlimited data? What are your plans about keeping it? Whats your next phone?
I switched to the 6GB share plan, and I'm either getting an iPhone 5, or a Droid DNA.
Seriously?..... I guess we should each have our own thread when we decide to get a new phone.
Each day that passes, I look more and more forward to getting away from the redundancy and boringness of these Tbolt forums.
Well I'm loving my TB its on liquid ics 3.2 I think over fast and the next fone should be the Droid DNA or Samsung note 3
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Why in the hell would you switch from unlimited to 6GB? You do realize that higher phones will pull more data, higher quality video streams, and so on right? What used to be 4GB on the TB will turn into 8GB on the DNA or other similar phones.
Anyway I bought the DNA and gave it a trial run, found out it really wasnt for me and didnt suit my needs so I'm back on the TB. The only thing I want in a new phone is a bigger screen now. The TB fills every other category on my wish list perfectly.
At this point I'm probably going to wait until I really see something I like come out. The Droid DNA had a lot of potential, but it's major shortfalls (16GB only, no uSD slot, non-removable battery) are hard to ignore. It's tough to justify the GS3 now that it's already 6 months old, so I think I'm going to wait and see what 2013 brings to the table. While I'm fine with the large phone size (although I think phablets like the Note are too large), I do wish one of the big Android manufacturers would put out a top tier phone in a smaller form factor. There's no way my wife could comfortably use the DNA or GS3 (the Tbolt is about her hand's limit), but it seems there's no top tier phone in the low 4" sizes anymore.
I still have unlimited. Next phone? I won't know that for 6 month but it will have 64GB or an SD slot. I have 64 Gig SDXC in my tbolt now.
Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
Buy a used phone and keep your unlimited data. eBay, swappa, etc. I've bought my wife and I each a galaxy nexus for around $220 each. You won't regret it.
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Me, too. I just got a Lenovo A1107 for $120 (as a carputer) and have a 10.1" Samsung Tablet for around the house. The Bolt can stay as a telephone and mobile hotspot.
Verizon sucks, though.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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Bad assumption, straw man and non sequitur
I had no special knowledge for what computer memory would be used. I only know, looking BACK at computer technology, that EVERY time someone has suggested “No one will ever need more than _____” we blew right past that without a pause. People are pretty clever in using all of a given resource. For myself I am just under 32GB used on my SD right now so 64GB I don’t have to worry about filling given my current usage model. (Which is why I stated that I could live with a 64GB fixed memory phone?) Even so 128GB devices are practically a given and 1TB is not much of a stretch. This trend will probably continue until we can fit no more into 1cm^2. What will use all of this storage? I don’t know. People are very clever in using all of a given resource however.
Does online storage and fast wireless mitigate the need for large local storage? Yes. Does it fully replace the need? No. Are data caps and overage charges making replacing local storage harder? Probably.
As for video I think your assumption of 7” is incorrect. Phones already have outputs (HDMI or the like) to drive large screens. What will those screens be in the future in size and frame rate be? HD, 2K 4K 8K? 24,30,48,60 FPS? I fully expect video files to grow.
Audio – I don’t see it changing much but perhaps bandwidth and storage will favor lossless CODECs.
Your car analogy is weak. Automobiles already operate close to the human ability to perform in many areas, portable devices… not so much. I would like to go 800 miles on a tank of gas.
I really disagree with you regarding designing for bigger vs smaller phones. A larger phone, dominated by say the display should offer more opportunity to fit things in. Of course if the wider and taller phone actually has less volume than previous phones then it would be more challenging and if it has to weigh less even with a larger volume then it may be really tough. Removable storage and batteries ARE harder to design as I said before and I fully understand that the extra cost of design and manufacture of removable storage and batteries favors the design of non-removable storage and batteries. No one mentioned changing SOC or coms or radios but that is another straw man.
Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
The key word here is "right now."
Right now 64 GB might seem like a top end tier for mobile storage. But the DNA is 1080p resolution with more phones to likely follow suit. The files will be larger, and data consumption will increase.
Carrier networks are no longer in the unlimited era. Caps, throttling, and insanely annoying persistent wifi alerts rule the day. If carriers insist on treating network bandwidth like gold from Ft. Knox, then I'm going to want to carry more, and cloud less.
16 gigs of storage becomes 11 after OS and bloat. 11 gigs is pretty pedestrian on a device that can hold apps, movies, and songs. How long have we had iPods with more than 11 gigs in storage?
SGS 3 had it right. So does the Note 2. If I want locked down drudgery I'd buy an iPhone.
I love HTC, but they need to get somebody else making decisions over there. Carrier exclusive phones? Fail. No SD Card or removable battery? Sigh.
I'm considering a Nexus 4, but that's only because it has budget pricing, and I can use it with pre-paid service. (Read: I'm cheap)
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
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25.6GB of audio
1.1G of nandroids (each about 1Gig)
2G Ti backups, app data, app cache and system stuff
I could live with 32GB if I had to for a while at least.
If you have a few Roms you like and have nandroids of, they're almost a gig a piece.
I hate how new phones are stopping at 16 gigs with no sd slot. It's not enough memory for me, nandroids and app backups are necessary and use a lot of space.
I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. Believe me I'm with you when it comes to the ignorance of people who always thought ABC/XYZ was enough. I guess a better way to justify the design of something like the Droid DNA is that it at least gets the job done. I watch tons of movies, listen to tons of music, and keep my phone docked in a cradle on my desk to surf at work all day long. I just found alternatives to storage limitation that just so happen to be the direction the industry is trying to push us in. I recognized that I dont need to have 10 movies on my device at any given moment because it's not like I'll ever really be watching them. At least not often enough to justify a need for storage to keep them. I uploaded my entire song library to Google Play which was a huge boon because now I have it with me on any device anywhere I go. I dont keep more than 1 nandroid of my device because my previous build is the only thing worth keeping. When I flash a new rom I simply keep a failsafe, and I only store about 2-3 roms on my device as redundant failsafes for each other in the event things really go sour or I just get really bored.
If this is the tradeoff necessary to have a beautiful 5" display with wireless charging and weighs light as a feather, then I consider this a win. If the alternative is a larger, heavier, more expensive phone to accommodate the best of both worlds (tons of storage and tons of power) then I consider that a loss. I will gladly take form over function since the function can be made up for in other areas that actually add quite a bit of newfound convenience. To me, this whole idea of clinging to old phone standards of sd-cards and removable batteries is just oldschool thinking. It reminds me of the business tycoon still using his monochrome blackberry thinking he's the ****, and that all these kids just dont "get it" with their fancy colors and lack of technical needs. Or the supposedly tech savvy laptop pro who buys the heaviest most impossible to carry device with a 17" screen, optical disc drive, and 10 USB ports for that 1 time he actually needs it. Everything you use your storage for is just for an emergency. 25gb of music, multiple nandroids, etc. They're all just "what if" scenarios that probably see the light of day once every few months. Sacrificing the entire build of a phone for this off-chance scenario is just very backwards thinking imo.
You dont have to believe me but the dna gets excellent battery life for a phone with a 1080p and the lack of an sd card is irrelevant since it is otg capable meaning an external hard drive can be used. The sad part is that a new one x phone is right around the corner.
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I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. ....
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I glad you found a usage model with which you are happy. I prefer another.
I took the risk and bought an HP Slatebook x2 today. I heard mixed optimism regarding its superiority over the other HP "offerings" as we might call them ... but it was hard for me to resist the Tegra 4 and bundled keyboard dock. As a grad student, I need a versatile input system, and I wasn't sure I wanted to wait for the next ASUS Transformer tablet to come out. Plus, I keep hearing bad things here about ASUS customer service and so on.
The Slatebook apparently ships with 4.2.2, which isn't too shabby, and it does have multiple SD expansion slots and a USB 2.0 port. So, not exactly up to snuff with the new Transformer rumors, but I couldn't really wait to go mobile because I do web design and I'm stuck on a desktop computer (hard to show off my work from my bedroom, y'know).
What I'm wondering now is, who's going to achieve root for me?
Also, what's the general consensus here on this particular device? All I've seen on these forums about it is a bunch of spam threads from a troll.
Thoughts?
--Fantastic Rat
I, or rather my wife, got this tablet a week ago and I am quite impressed. It is fast and nice, and I agree with the advertisement "100% notebook, 100% tablet". When docked, it feels like a true notebook with a very well designed keyboard and nice shortcut keys. And when used as a tablet, it works well too.
The multi user profiles on Android 4.2 works extremely well too.
For the root access: yes please! I want root too
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I, or rather my wife, got this tablet a week ago and I am quite impressed. It is fast and nice, and I agree with the advertisement "100% notebook, 100% tablet". When docked, it feels like a true notebook with a very well designed keyboard and nice shortcut keys. And when used as a tablet, it works well too.
The multi user profiles on Android 4.2 works extremely well too.
For the root access: yes please! I want root too
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My roommate bought one of these last week. I was a little dubious at first, but I agree with your assessment. "100% notebook/100% tablet" is pretty accurate.
I have a HP touchpad from the $99 sale from year(s?) ago. I could never get used to just the tablet feel, so I *really* like the docked feel of the slatebook.
Just my 2c. I think it's a feel thing. My girlfriend prefers tablets and just tablets.
I don't think my roommate cares about root... but I could probably convince him. Can never have too many testers
HP needs to bring the 32/64GB internal storage ones to the U.S.
Also with no physical store presence this tablet combo will go nowhere.
Does anyone want to give a little review on their thoughts on the unit?
Its been out in a few countries for a few weeks now and still not in depth review anywhere!
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Does anyone want to give a little review on their thoughts on the unit?
Its been out in a few countries for a few weeks now and still not in depth review anywhere!
Cheers
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I had a TF201 and needed to replace it. I too could not wait for the new ASUS to come out, so I took the risk and bought a Slatebook x2. The complete lack of any discussion on this device, including reviews, is unbelievable. Do a Google search...if you exclude the repeat of the HP spec page...there is nothing.
I'm not a reviewer, but I like this device so far. Its very snappy, no lag, and its running a very close to stock Android 4.2.2 ROM. The only complaints I have are minor; no ability to direct connect to computer (runs off an AC adapter and a proprietary cable), and there is a little 'wobble' back and forth when docked (not tight like the Transformer). But everything else is nice, the screen, responsiveness, dock keys and looks. Its plastic, but who cares; so are about 100 million Samsung phones (I have a Note 2). I ran an AnTuTu benchmark, it was 29054 for what its worth; benchmarks don't mean too much to me.
I really hope Devs pick this up, find a root method and work on a CM load. I am concerned that the HP support to updates (4.3, KeyLimePie, etc) may be slow or non-existent. This wouldn't be a disaster, as the current load is fine, but I hate getting left behind.
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atg284 said:
HP needs to bring the 32/64GB internal storage ones to the U.S.
Also with no physical store presence this tablet combo will go nowhere.
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I'm in Australia; they only had the 16GB model in the store I went to. This works about to be just under 12GB usable. However, I did put a 32GB micro SD card into the tablet and a 32GB SD card into the dock, so now I have on 70GB, which is more than enough for me.
I Just ordered last week still waiting for device. The one strange thing is there is no review or any discussion about the device. Hopefully we get our own forum
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I bought one yesterday online for what is certainly going to be less than what the new Asus pad infinity will go for and it should arrive in 2 days. While I'm skeptical of HP products this one has such nice specs I couldn't resist. I'm very surprised there isn't an xda forum created for this convertible yet.
bought this a week ago its a pretty kick ass notebook tablet combo just cant wait to root this beast was wondering if a male male usb cable would let me access it on the pc
Just found a full review from google
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I'm in Australia; they only had the 16GB model in the store I went to. This works about to be just under 12GB usable. However, I did put a 32GB micro SD card into the tablet and a 32GB SD card into the dock, so now I have on 70GB, which is more than enough for me.
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I get the extra storage on the SD cards but the 11-12 GB left over for apps is not enough. The fact that they are actually making 32/64GB versions yet not offering them in the US makes absolutely no sense. Apps and games are only going to get bigger and bigger...I have a hp touchpad 16GB with ICS and have to really pick and choose what I install because of the small space..I'm looking for am upgrade in the internal storage department as well.
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bought this a week ago its a pretty kick ass notebook tablet combo just cant wait to root this beast was wondering if a male male usb cable would let me access it on the pc
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I tried this yesterday with no success. You can flash files from the SD card via the boot menu, so maybe that's an option for a dev who knows what he's doing.
Could anyone confirm this tablet work with only 32G micro SD. Planning to order a 64G sd
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I get the extra storage on the SD cards but the 11-12 GB left over for apps is not enough. The fact that they are actually making 32/64GB versions yet not offering them in the US makes absolutely no sense. Apps and games are only going to get bigger and bigger...I have a hp touchpad 16GB with ICS and have to really pick and choose what I install because of the small space..I'm looking for am upgrade in the internal storage department as well.
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Interesting. I've usually managed well enough with low internal storage (my Razr Maxx only had 8GB dedicated to apps, and I never overloaded it). I like the fact that this tablet takes multiple SD cards for expansion--means odds are I'll never run out of space even with my 20+ GB music collection.
I'm glad to hear there are others who like what they've seen and are hoping for devs to pick it up. It means I made a good purchase. Looking forward to getting mine in the mail Friday!
--Fantastic Rat
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Could anyone confirm this tablet work with only 32G micro SD. Planning to order a 64G sd
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Sorry, I read that 32GB was max, so I just went with 32GB. Haven't tried 64GB.
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Interesting. I've usually managed well enough with low internal storage (my Razr Maxx only had 8GB dedicated to apps, and I never overloaded it). I like the fact that this tablet takes multiple SD cards for expansion--means odds are I'll never run out of space even with my 20+ GB music collection.
I'm glad to hear there are others who like what they've seen and are hoping for devs to pick it up. It means I made a good purchase. Looking forward to getting mine in the mail Friday!
--Fantastic Rat
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My TF201 only had 16GB and it was fine for apps; I never ran out of room to install stuff. My issue was storage of my video library, which is fine on the 2 extension cards. I haven't read anywhere where >16GB units are available; maybe they are still coming.
Just tried a display set at the HP fair. It looks and feels sturdy except for the part that connects the tablet to the keyboard. Feel like its not connected properly and wobbles alot. I like the keyboard combo. For the price, its definitely cheap.
I am going to wait for more reviews before buying. Ppl kept saying tegra 4 sucks but isnt this the first tegra 4 tablet??
Android is fine as a phone OS but not as a laptop replacement.
Actually when you consider what most people use a laptop for android makes a very good laptop. With a level of power consumption that is wonderful. Of course haswell may end that particular argument. Or at least give it a black eye. At any rate for consumption and light computation devices I like android. Given its current power growth rate and popularity it could actually overtake and dominate the laptop industry unless Microsoft and Intel step up their game quickly. I tend to think Intel and Microsoft will drop the hammer next year though. Laptop sales are Declining at an alarming rate and windows RT hurt Microsoft's pocketbook a bit so they will innovate or die. I figure with their money and Affluence they will throw a mean right hook at the market sooner or later
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Sorry, I read that 32GB was max, so I just went with 32GB. Haven't tried 64GB.
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My TF201 only had 16GB and it was fine for apps; I never ran out of room to install stuff. My issue was storage of my video library, which is fine on the 2 extension cards. I haven't read anywhere where >16GB units are available; maybe they are still coming.
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Someone on another thread can use his 64B SD on a HP SlateBook X2 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44619797&postcount=15
Hi all, what about gaming on this tab?
Hello, i am thinking to buy this tablet and i just wanna know that how is the gaming on this tab. I mean high end graphical games like NOVA or gangstar vegas. Actually i am having a nexus 7 1st gen and I intrested to buy an TEGRA 4 tablet. so pls tell
With Google dropping microsd support from the Nexus line years ago and most 2013 flagships not including them anymore either, what can we expect for the future of expandable storage?
I have a GS3 with a 64GB microsd card and about 50GB of music on it (and like to listen to all of it on shuffle)...if I want to upgrade and still use my microsd card I'm basically limited to another Samsung device (which I'm not that interested in doing). I know there's cloud storage options, but I'm yet to find a player/experience as good as using PowerAmp. Google Music is a great service but I hate the app's interface..complete form over function. Plus cloud storage requires good data reception, which is not always available. There's also USB OTG options (the Meenova Reader looks pretty good) but I don't know how seamless that would be (not to mention having to plug it in every time)
I wouldn't mind the lack of microsd as much if phones came with 64GB, but very few do. I realize carriers probably don't have much incentive to offer more storage, as more cloud usage means more data usage which means more money for them.
Should I basically just accept that I won't be able to carry all my music around in the future and adjust my habits accordingly?
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With Google dropping microsd support from the Nexus line years ago and most 2013 flagships not including them anymore either, what can we expect for the future of expandable storage?
I have a GS3 with a 64GB microsd card and about 50GB of music on it (and like to listen to all of it on shuffle)...if I want to upgrade and still use my microsd card I'm basically limited to another Samsung device (which I'm not that interested in doing). I know there's cloud storage options, but I'm yet to find a player/experience as good as using PowerAmp. Google Music is a great service but I hate the app's interface..complete form over function. Plus cloud storage requires good data reception, which is not always available. There's also USB OTG options (the Meenova Reader looks pretty good) but I don't know how seamless that would be (not to mention having to plug it in every time)
I wouldn't mind the lack of microsd as much if phones came with 64GB, but very few do. I realize carriers probably don't have much incentive to offer more storage, as more cloud usage means more data usage which means more money for them.
Should I basically just accept that I won't be able to carry all my music around in the future and adjust my habits accordingly?
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USB otg will always be around if that happens. It's generally presumed Nexus dropped extsd to cut corners for costs.
What I'm wondering often myself is how does doubling the nand size increase the cost significantly (ala apple's trademark, unfortunately android mfgs do it too). Does going from 8 to 16 to 32/64 really increase the price by $~100-200?
Don't really think nands are worth that much. But carriers will ask for highway robbery with those prices, and probably general consensus is they won't sell well.
I have seen this trend and personally I think its big money rearing its ugly head. Cloud storage becoming the norm and the big carriers just LOVE that. They'd love nothing more than to bleed us dry on overages and bigger data packages. 1 word man, GREED. I would support cloud if VZW offered unlimited data at a reasonable price, cest' la vie.
I have so far not been convinced to buy a folding phone, because it offers absolutely nothing of benefit over the bar form factor. At best, it offers a different form factor that people may like just for a change.
The current folding designs when unfolded do not offer the correct viewing experience. When watching videos, there are these black horizontal bars on top and bottom, which is a complete waste of space.
The screen isn't wide enough to be used as a tablet or laptop either.
Typing isn't comfortable either. We are far more comfortable typing on the phone in portrait mode than when it is in landscape mode.
Overall, the current folding design is a change just for the sake of it.
However, it is a step towards transition to a much better form factor - the Bi-Folding design with 3 screens and 2 folding hinges! The phones should ideally be shorter than the bar form factor (something like the Oppo Find N series), so they unfold to become a tablet of the right dimensions.
This will truly offer perfect viewing experience when unfolded with minimal black bars (or bezels), and offer large enough display area to use it as a tablet or a computer. One can keep the unfolded phone on a stand and use a bluetooth keyboard to type on it.
If this news turns out to be true, then we can expect to see much improvised products in 2026 when the 3rd or 4th generation of double folding phones would become a reality, and offer a perfect alternative to the bar form factor.
This would likely also kill the current folding phones and tablets too, which won't make much sense then.
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Samsung is beyond redemption now; lost in their own bs marketing hype while failing to listen to long time customers. Devoid of functional, useful innovation the majority of their customers want.
More folding junk that is going to cause issues, not have expandable storage or a long lifespan without repairs and be insanely expensive.
Worse they picked a global recession to try this expensive experiment. Sky high Development costs and imited production numbers will mean no profit. Their already horrible customer support will get worse.
The box of rabid wet gerbils know as Samsung isn't serving their customers or investors well. What could go wrong?
Samsung should have stuck to the basics; a bar form factor (rather than a bloody brick) with near zero bezel, lots of hardware features that boost functionality (like the spen and 2tb expandable storage), fast/efficient processors, 12gb of ram, better firmware/software innovations and balance. A price around or under $1G.
blackhawk said:
Devoid of functional, useful innovation the majority of their customers want.
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Although there are a few useful features that are missing (such as a built-in Firewall, AppLock, Multiple Users, and above all dual cell superfast charging), OneUI has the most features on a smartphone in the market today. What innovation ideas do you have in mind?
blackhawk said:
Sky high Development costs and imited production numbers will mean no profit.
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As with the 1st Fold, this too wouldn't be a device made for profit during the initial years. Their production costs would be categorised as R&D during the initial years.
As with external storage:
External storage isn't coming on flagships for four reasons:
1. It is way slower than internal storage (although I think they should allow it to be used only for storing user files like documents and media, and block installation of apps and storing of their data).
2. This allows them to make a lot of money on their higher storage variants.
3. This also allows them to force users to buy their cloud storage plans.
4. Even external storage in the form of micro SD card are super expensive today. One can argue that it makes more financial sense to use an external SSD instead that would be much more cheaper.
Overall, I would say you tend to be a bit unfair on Samsung. There is always a scope for improvement with all products and brands.
The Samsung innovation failures is more pecking than I care to do right now. Simply making bloatware installable be a easy, simple, welcomed one.
$125 for a Sandisk Extreme 1tb V30 card. A 256gb internal memory is sufficient (even though Samsung sells "flagships" now with a mere 128gb and no expandable storage).
An external solution is vastly inferior to an onboard data drive for several reasons including convenience, reliability, accessibility and speed.
Someone who never set up dual drive systems has no clue how useful these are when implemented and used correctly. Including another level of data redundancy if the OS crashes or if the phone is physically damaged and for new phone setup. Using a dual drive is a no brainer.
blackhawk said:
$125 for a Sandisk Extreme 1tb V30 card. A 256gb internal memory is sufficient (even though Samsung sells "flagships" now with a mere 128gb and no expandable storage).
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That's a good amount of money. For that price, you could get a 2TB SSD. Higher storage variants of micro SD card are very expensive.
blackhawk said:
An external solution is vastly inferior to an onboard data drive for several reasons including convenience, reliability, accessibility and speed.
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Assuming you are talking about micro SD card, that's true but only for convenience.
On speeds, they are no comparison to portable SSDs, which by themselves are slower than internal storage. Accessibility is limited to the device they are on. SSDs are much more reliable too.
blackhawk said:
Someone who never set up dual drive systems has no clue how useful these are when implemented and used correctly.
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That would be an assumption. This is like me saying "someone who has never used a cloud service has no clue about how secure, convenient and useful they are".
We choose what works best for us. The best solution is one that fits into our requirements the best. And this is different for different individuals.
blackhawk said:
Including another level of data redundancy if the OS crashes or if the phone is physically damaged and for new phone setup. Using a dual drive is a no brainer.
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No one is disagreeing with this. The company takes decisions that would give them maximum revenue, not just today but going forward too. Removing features like this to push people into using the cloud is essentially an investment for future.
TheMystic said:
That's a good amount of money. For that price, you could get a 2TB SSD. Higher storage variants of micro SD card are very expensive.
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Samsung is charging far more than that for a 1tb phone and dozens of gbs of that memory is tied up.
TheMystic said:
Assuming you are talking about micro SD card, that's true but only for convenience.
On speeds, they are no comparison to portable SSDs, which by themselves are slower than internal storage. Accessibility is limited to the device they are on. SSDs are much more reliable too.
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Data drives don't need to be fast, duh.
SSD's are just flash memory... enterprise class hdds are more reliable (platters still readable most times even if hardware fails). If a flash drive fails electrically, it's DOA.
TheMystic said:
We choose what works best for us. The best solution is one that fits into our requirements the best. And this is different for different individuals.
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The point is having the choice. Secure cloud servers? You mean like Samsung's recently hacked ones?
TheMystic said:
No one is disagreeing with this. The company takes decisions that would give them maximum revenue, not just today but going forward too. Removing features like this to push people into using the cloud is essentially an investment for future.
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Alienating your customer base is a surefire way to lose profits needlessly. Samsung's current management is deceptive, makes up bs stories and simply can't be trusted. Until they grow up they will face increasing consumer discontentment on a grassroots level.
blackhawk said:
Samsung is charging far more than that for a 1tb phone and dozens of gbs of that memory is tied up.
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Internal storage is much faster and this premium is for that. Besides, the higher end models of any product are very profitable for all companies.
Dozens of GBs you're talking about is just a mathematical calculation of storage space. There is a discussion on this here.
blackhawk said:
Data drives don't need to be fast, duh.
SSD's are just flash memory... enterprise class hdds are more reliable (platters still readable most times even if hardware fails). If a flash drive fails electrically, it's DOA.
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I agree and I mentioned that in post #3 as well. SSDs have the advantage of being very compact and pocketable, HDDs are not.
blackhawk said:
The point is having the choice. Secure cloud servers? You mean like Samsung's recently hacked ones?
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I mean it would be more secure than any I can setup myself. This is true for most people too. Companies do tend to have qualified professionals to manage security and redundancies, so it is the lesser evil.
blackhawk said:
Alienating your customer base is a surefire way to lose profits needlessly. Samsung's current management is deceptive, makes up bs stories and simply can't be trusted. Until they grow up they will face increasing consumer discontentment on a grassroots level.
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Most customers use the cloud storage. There are some services thay offer TBs of storage for free too, although I would personally never use those.
Cloud storage indeed have a very big advantage: ease of access anytime, anywhere and on any device! A reputed company like Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. would have a very strong system in place to prevent catastrophe.
Since majority customers use cloud storage, and companies also find this more profitable, I don't see why they wouldn't want to take this route.
A lot of noise was made when they removed headphone jack, when charger was removed, etc. But the consumer accepted the reality and moved on. How many do you think will do what you do: an old phone running on an old software? Very few.
TheMystic said:
Internal storage is much faster and this premium is for that. Besides, the higher end models of any product are very profitable for all companies.
Dozens of GBs you're talking about is just a mathematical calculation of storage space. There is a discussion on this here.
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Critical data doesn't need fast storage. Typically at least 30gb are tied up with the OS and apps if not far more especially with scoped storage.
TheMystic said:
I agree and I mentioned that in post #3 as well. SSDs have the advantage of being very compact and pocketable, HDDs are not.
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Hdds are used for bulletproof backups. One backup is not enough. I have a minimum of 4.
TheMystic said:
I mean it would be more secure than any I can setup myself. This is true for most people too. Companies do tend to have qualified professionals to manage security and redundancies, so it is the lesser evil.
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A data drive is a layer of physical security a single drive machine lacks. It's the first backup for the DCIM folder. It's where copies of all apps are stored; no Playstore needed for reloads or app repairs. The right vetted copy every time.
TheMystic said:
Most customers use the cloud storage. There are some services thay offer TBs of storage for free too, although I would personally never use those.
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That's an assumption Google and Samsung like to push. A market other companies will eagerly capture for very little investment. Inept Samsung. The user defines the market not the vendor.
TheMystic said:
Cloud storage indeed have a very big advantage: ease of access anytime, anywhere and on any device! A reputed company like Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. would have a very strong system in place to prevent catastrophe.
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No internet, no nothing. I can watch hundreds of movies, play thousands of songs and do a full reload without the internet. The battery savings is worth it alone.
TheMystic said:
Since majority customers use cloud storage, and companies also find this more profitable, I don't see why they wouldn't want to take this route.
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An assumption again. Users who have limited storage are forced to use the only option they got. Sucks to be weak.
TheMystic said:
A lot of noise was made when they removed headphone jack, when charger was removed, etc. But the consumer accepted the reality and moved on. How many do you think will do what you do: an old phone running on an old software? Very few.
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Expandable storage is a completely different animal. A dual drive PC, smartphone, etc will always trump a single drive.
No 3.5mm jack means more wear and tear on the poorly placed and inconvenient (for headphones) C port. There's plenty of room in the huge, bulky cow, the S23U has room for both these features. What a horrible form factor it has. Please don't repeat the falsehoods Samsung's VIPs make.
Samsung is more hype than action now.
blackhawk said:
Hdds are used for bulletproof backups. One backup is not enough. I have a minimum of 4.
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All those are inaccessible until you physically connect them to your phone, or access them over the internet. They are pure backups.
I want you to also take into consideration 'accessibility' of data. This is only possible via an online server. If you have the expertise to setup a SECURE cloud on your own, then fine. Otherwise, the only option is to use a 3rd party cloud service.
blackhawk said:
A data drive is a layer of physical security a single drive machine lacks. It's the first backup for the DCIM folder. It's where copies of all apps are stored; no Playstore needed for reloads or app repairs. The right vetted copy every time.
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The hardware today is far better than those that existed during the floppy disk days. How often do you hear someone losing their data on a smartphone because of a disk failure? Most such cases (which by themselves are too few) are always a result of the user doing something he doesn't understand.
I too keep a copy of my favourite apps on my phone. Once in a while, I back them up to my PC (and my offline NAS). Same is true for other files. Photos and Videos are INSTANTLY backed up to multiple cloud storages, just as my documents. I do have a Google One subscription as well as Microsoft 365 subscription (which is best because it offers a total of 6 TB of cloud storage for a very reasonable price). And then I also sync them to my PC once in a while (not on a fixed schedule).
The most important advantage is the ease of access of these files from any device. Irrespective of which device I use, I have access to pretty much ALL files I need at any given point in time.
This is NOT possible if your setup doesn't use internet. And the moment internet comes into the picture, security is a major concern. Buying hardware to setup my own server is not a big deal. But keeping it secure is!
If you talk of recurring subscriptions, let me remind you that having local backups too require investment in hardware every few years, as it is not a question of 'if' but 'when' the disks would fail.
blackhawk said:
That's an assumption Google and Samsung like to push. A market other companies will eagerly capture for very little investment. Inept Samsung. The user defines the market not the vendor.
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Data Centers are EXPENSIVE investment. I don't know where you got your data from. Any cloud service provider has to setup a system which is secure, with built-in redundancies, and employ high quality professionals to manage it.
Big Players set these up in very cold countries to save on electricity, and keep multiple backups in different locations around the world to prevent catastrophe.
blackhawk said:
No internet, no nothing. I can watch hundreds of movies, play thousands of songs and do a full reload without the internet. The battery savings is worth it alone.
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As before, apps and services are continuously optimised and there isn't too much battery drain when streaming. On the contrary, video streaming is extremely power efficient even over the internet if you have a fast internet connection.
Check out the stats here. I don't think your N10+ would beat it.
blackhawk said:
An assumption again. Users who have limited storage are forced to use the only option they got. Sucks to be weak.
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This isn't an assumption. Most people indeed use cloud services. Check out Google Play Store to see how many people have downloaded apps providing cloud storage.
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Expandable storage is a completely different animal. A dual drive PC, smartphone, etc will always trump a single drive.
No 3.5mm jack means more wear and tear on the poorly placed and inconvenient (for headphones) C port. There's plenty of room in the huge, bulky cow, the S23U has room for both these features. What a horrible form factor it has. Please don't repeat the falsehoods Samsung's VIPs make.
Samsung is more hype than action now.
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I'm all for having an expandable storage inside the phone just for saving user files and media. As mentioned before, I'm fine if apps aren't allowed to write 'AppData' to it. Companies are indeed trying to push customers to either upgrade to a higher storage variant or use the cloud, both of which means more money to them.
Removing the Headphone jack too was nothing more than pushing people to buy Bluetooth earphones. Space (or the lack of it) was just stupid excuse.
The Ultra series of phones from Samsung have a superb form factor. Not sure why you call them horrible.
TheMystic said:
The Ultra series of phones from Samsung have a superb form factor. Not sure why you call them horrible.
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Thicker, and 30gm heavier than the N10+ with a worse display/bezel ratio. Spen on the wrong side. blah. Small wonder the N10+ is still so popular.
With V60 and V90 rated flash cards out their speed is only increasing. There's no substitute for a dual drive device.
Just admit what Samsung won't; Samsung screwed up big time in multiple ways. Their tour of the hurt locker is going to cost them a lot. tff.