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Hi guys,
I have spent much time reading the various forums on the different options on the SAT NAV. I would like to offer comment, and ask assistance at the same time (ooeerr!!)
1) I have been using the ipaq with the Navman GPS 3000 for a long long time, and have used it with almost every piece of software compatable. I live in Devon, England and probably cover about 30,000 miles a year, and would comment as follows for assistance:
Destinator - antequated ****e that couldn't navigate its way from A to B down a straight road with no turnings.
Tom Tom 2 and early 3 - Very pretty, but WARNING - crazy route choices, especially on some of the B roads. Most upsettingly, two of the towns near me are not listed - thus making searches really hard. Also good for adding your own POI's
Smart ST Pro 2 - Very very functional, excellent route choices. No personal POI's and version 2 not 3D.
Every time I have ended up with Tom Tom's software, I have given up and reverted back to Smart ST Pro (bundled with Navman).
So question.
Is the latest version of Tom Tom better at routes?
If not, can a version of smart ST pro be made to work on XDA II
IF so, which version of hardware is best used with it?
Or should I just keep the Compaq in glove box for sat nav, and use XDA for other stuff
Help help help help!!!! ! ! !
cheers guys
JJ

Love the Destinator comments! As for TomTom, V3 with the latest update it is much improved, routing is logical, maps are still TeleAtlas but that's something we'll have to live with. The custom POI's are a hugely popular feature, you can utilise our Safety Camera database and there is Digitools excellent (and free) UKPostCode plug-in so you can navigate with a PostCode as the only info necessary (see www.digitools.co.uk ).
Runs fine on an XDAII with the latest ROM which is especially apt if you use the Traffic feature updating via GPRS, works perfectly. You'll find the performance of the latest GPS Mice and BT GPS receivers much improved over the Navman GPS Jackets, more satallites, quicker TTFF and much better at holding on to weak signals.

Thanks for the feedback griffog,
I will give it a try then.
I will let you know how I get on!
Right, back to my search for Pocket PC Elite!! ......
Cheers
JJ

Thjis is a post for anybody using TOM TOM 3.
Just as a quick experiment to see if they have corrected a minor oversite.
Coud you see if Tavistock and Totnes are listed as towns in the search engine.
We all wish we could forget these places, but unfortuntately, we still have to visit!!!! !!!
Cheers guys in advance

Happy to confirm that both Totnes and Tavistock appear on the address search and are cirrectly indexed as being in Devon.

Thanks griffog,
I suppoose that's good news !!!!!!! ha!
Cheers
JJ

GPS software for Tornado

Hello you fine bunch of people out there! I was wondering what was the best gps software for the tornado? And if someone can post a link to where I can find it.THANKS!!!

Use Route 66 Mobile 7 for Windows Mobile Smartphone
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/31361762/Route_66_Mobile_7_WMS_7.0.3040_EasyInstall.zip

not working on my imate SP5. Application starts, shows startup screen, apparently connects with GPS, and shuts down. Any ideas?

of course not, nobody on here knows how to fix anything! I've been looking all day for an answer as to why route 66 7 keeps telling me that there isn't enough memory to load the map and then shuts down, nobody knows. Plenty of threads from like 2006! but nobody knows! AHGHHHHHHHH!!!!! I probably won't get a decent answer for that anytime soon either. Good luck man! and sorry bout this.

try an map for smartphone and will load
i had the same problem
Maps for PPC are not working
Maps for Symbian are not working
Please buy the apropiate map
Here WAREZ is not allowed

here is my route 66 without map
it is working on Tornado and Vox
http://rapidshare.com/files/96949057/route66.rar.html
You need to buy an SMARTPHONE map for your location

I was looking for GPS software myself a while ago. What I finally decided on was GPSDash (http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview.sph2.php?pid=sph2). What I liked was the ability to use custom maps, which are easily made with Google map downloader (for either satellite maps or street maps)
You have to register both to get full functionality and there's no navigation function, but it works well enough for dataloging and knowing exactly where you are.
Aside from that, I also recommend the Google Maps application for smartphones if you have a data plan. It ties with your GPS and, even if you don't have a GPS, gives you an approximate location based on cell tower triangulation.
One more site to mention is http://www.maps-gps-info.com/fgpfw.html. I stumbled across it looking for j2me apps for an old Nextel phone I have. There's lots of smartphone apps there, but I haven't tried most of them.

GPSVP is free too

WARpig5 said:
Hello you fine bunch of people out there! I was wondering what was the best gps software for the tornado? And if someone can post a link to where I can find it.THANKS!!!
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Have you tried the Windows Live Search? It includes Maps, Driving Directions, From-To-Reverse Route, and many other little features. Maybe not as powerfull as the paid GPS softwares, but surely has got me out of trouble on the road many times. I can post you link if you care to see it, or just search for "Windows Live Search". Its a 700+ Cab. Good Luck

Best car navigation solution for Raphael?

Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol

I like the CoPilot Live, works very well and has a nice look and feel.

Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.

Thx to both of you! I still would like to compare TomTom with McGuider ...
Eriol

McGuider
Hello,
I am using last version McGuider (7.x I think) and it work fine, but map and icons are too small, I and don't know if it can be repair.
Please if some one use thist program please write down here about how work.
Bye

Garmin XT is the best imo. TT cannot hold a candle to Garmin.

iGO 8
I think iGO 8 is the best solution for Raphael

Navigon
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Hi Jochen,
I have a stand alone PNA running Navigon 6.5, and I like it, too. But my experience with Navigon, especially running on my HTC Wizard (MN 6.x), is that the route calculation is rather slow and the whole app is not that fast on a PDA. This might be different on a Raphael due to processor speed, though. We also will use an Xperia X1 here: Is it possible to run MN7 on 800x480 screens?
Eriol

i maybe wrong, but some navigation programs will only run when the supplied memory card is installed. Installing the maps to another card will not work which therefore means you have to swap cards when using the software. Check before you buy!!!

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Navigon is nice-- but once you're in the tunnel and lose signal it would say you've reach your destination I also don't like its route calculation-- it's giving me a longer route than tomtom

To my mind ist the default navigation (TomTom 7.451) the best. it uses vga, is fast, new maps
Eriol said:
Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol
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ardsar said:
Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.
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In Copilot7 there is indeed visual display of incidents ahead on the map, you also can get to incident-specific info in just three taps, reporting delay and other usefull info........
No need for automatic rerouting, you can let Copilot ask you what you want to do, after you have read the incident-info and delay time.....
No need for the diamond-version either, regular version runs great on my Touchpro....
See.......................you we're allmost right.....

Someone tried Navigon Mobile Navigator 7 for PDA on Raphael?
Is it compatible and full working?
Before then I buy, I asked to the support team, but no clear response about it.
Thanks.

NAVIGON Mobile Navigator 7 can work fine on Raphael, with this simple workaround.
You need a GPS port replicator (like Franson GPSgate) to solve the GPS signal stability problem on MN7.
I hope this can help who love this product family.

Turn by Turn voice GPS for US?

I searched for this on the forum and couldn't find any helpful threads before anyone complains
What would you guys recommend and more importantly, can it be found relatively easily on the shadier parts of the web? (don't post a link or mention a website, even in a PM)
Please don't ban me Mods, I'm only 14 and I bought my Fuze full price because I didn't have an upgrade so I'm a little short on cash

thers many programs and im sure you can use forced qvga programs for that vga device of yours..like tweaks2k.net brute force vga and such..but the programs are (that i use)
igo8 (horrible imo)
destinator7 (my favorite)
tomtom7
garmin xt (my second favorite because it gives you local ACCURATE gas prices!)

Thank you. I think I am going to go with TomTom 7 as it was the easiest to find and I was getting consistant 1.2mb/s download speeds. It seems to be good enough and gas prices don't really affect me as I'm not supposed to be driving yet anyways

I've been testing AmazeGPS (amazegps.com), an over-the-air voice navigation system that is (legitimately) free. I have to say that I'm quite impressed. Yesterday was the first time that I trusted it to get me someplace that I wasn't completely sure how to get to, and it performed very well. The routing it gave me was different from how I had gone before (the way Google maps sent me), but it was much better -- skipped a lot of traffic and was more direct. Coming back home, it gave me a different routing, which was actually better for that direction than retracing my path would have been. It led me clearly through a couple of confusing intersections with multiple roads converging. Search works really well, too.
The Windows Mobile version is still in beta (it was originally a Java app), so I imagine there will be a few more bells and whistles when it goes GA, but I'm really pleased so far and don't see any need to pay for a GPS package.

I may have to try Amaze, never heard of it before. I still prefer to have all my maps on a storage card though since I travel a lot and am frequently in areas of little or no service.
Not sure what pazookie doesn't like about igo8, it's my current favorite, especially since the maps are by state so you can take only what you need to save space (though that's not a big issue with the huge SDHC).

pazookie said:
thers many programs and im sure you can use forced qvga programs for that vga device of yours..like tweaks2k.net brute force vga and such..but the programs are (that i use)
igo8 (horrible imo)
destinator7 (my favorite)
tomtom7
garmin xt (my second favorite because it gives you local ACCURATE gas prices!)
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where can i get the destinaator7 in english?
wmm said:
I've been testing AmazeGPS (amazegps.com), an over-the-air voice navigation system that is (legitimately) free. I have to say that I'm quite impressed. Yesterday was the first time that I trusted it to get me someplace that I wasn't completely sure how to get to, and it performed very well. The routing it gave me was different from how I had gone before (the way Google maps sent me), but it was much better -- skipped a lot of traffic and was more direct. Coming back home, it gave me a different routing, which was actually better for that direction than retracing my path would have been. It led me clearly through a couple of confusing intersections with multiple roads converging. Search works really well, too.
The Windows Mobile version is still in beta (it was originally a Java app), so I imagine there will be a few more bells and whistles when it goes GA, but I'm really pleased so far and don't see any need to pay for a GPS package.
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What i didnt like was when searching for businesses farther than a 10mile radius. The providers listed are not finding the place i want under "local search"

sammypwns said:
Thank you. I think I am going to go with TomTom 7 as it was the easiest to find and I was getting consistant 1.2mb/s download speeds. It seems to be good enough and gas prices don't really affect me as I'm not supposed to be driving yet anyways
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Ive searched and found that the tomtom7 is free,but most of the download links have been taken down.And also that the maps are not free.

iGo8:
Pros--
-You can get TTS
-Smooth map updates as you're driving
-Good graphics
-NavTeq maps, better than TeleAtlas in the US
-Fast when searching POIs
-All data is stored on memory card, good when hard resetting
-You can use different skins
Cons--
-Slower at getting a fix than Garmin
-No live traffic
-Routing can be a little off compared to Garmin
-ETA has always been off for me, really noticeable on long trips
Garmin Mobile XT:
Pros--
-One of the best/trusted routing engines out there
-Polished and easy interface
-v5 has integrated Google Search for endless POI searches (if you have internet access)
-Live Fuel and traffic
-Just released updated maps, uses Navteq
-ETA is always accurate
Cons--
-No TTS (still tells you when/where to turn, but doesn't say street names)
-Refresh rate is only once per second, not as fluid as iGo
-For local streets, it usually displays CR52 instead of the common street name
TomTom:
-I never really used this program because the latest TeleAtlas maps I could find don't even have my 5 year old subdivision in them.
iGuidance 2009:
-I only played with this a couple days. Not much of an update from v4. SLOW interface compared to the others when moving from screen to screen. Accurate routing and ETA. Has native TTS. Has new, just released Navteq maps.

i have garmin mobile xt, tomtom, and google maps. google maps is great, up to date, free, and you can find everything with it but it sucks for giving directions since its flat 2d and has no voice or automatic directions. i love garmin the most. its very smooth and easy to use. it also gives things like gas prices, flight times, and things like that. the garmin software is actually free, you have to pay for an unlock code to get it to work with the builtin gps unit otherwise it only works with garmin branded units and you have to buy the maps. but its worth it. you can also get it illegally but its such a great piece of software its worth the money. it ends up being cheaper than an actual garmin unit and i prefer my phone to any on the market. tomtom is the one that confuses me. you can get it from so many cabs posted everywhere. i installed it to get footprints working. its kinda ugly and would get a fix for me. i wasnt impressed but its ok because i have garmin and google maps.

I suggest Tomtom Navigator 7. I would prefer it over any just for the fact that I have used it for years without any problems. Unlike my crappy Garmin. Allthough I will say that the garmin did seem a little more friendly, but after using the TomTom systems I've got very used to them.

i like the mixed opinions. people saying opposite things that fit them better and youre being told to find your own option that suits you. helpless community ftw! ^_^

amAzeGPS
I have to agree with the amAzeGPS option. I have been using this piece of free software for the past 3 weeks and I am thoroughly impressed.
Clearly, the main problem is that you require a data connection (the maps are not stored on your device); therefore it's use in a "deadzone" is nill.
I have been led to believe that they are coming out with a version that will enable you to download your route, thus negating the deadzone effects for navigation. I am hopeful that they will also include additional navigation informtion if you take a wrong turn :-0 (but that might be asking too much).
M

amazegps looks pretty good actually for being free. i think you understand the limitations if youre darting towards free software.

The Jack of Clubs said:
i like the mixed opinions. people saying opposite things that fit them better and youre being told to find your own option that suits you. helpless community ftw! ^_^
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What do you expect? Everyone has their own opinion when it comes to software and preferences. Some people love TomTom and some love Garmin, others hate one or the other.
I tried to give as many pros and cons as I could about the software I've used the most, and that way based on the user's preferences, it'll hopefully help their decision.
For some people, they absolutely need TTS and it is high on their priority list, that really narrows down the options. For others, TTS isn't very important. Some people rank Garmin high because of the Garmin Online features, others feel its a waste because they don't use them.
It all boils down to what you want in a program, what's important to you, and if you ask what's the best one, you're never going to get everyone in agreement. If you ask about 3 programs, I can promise you that each program would get atleast one vote that its the best thing out there.

look if you can't use google search and torrents to find what you need then you don't deserve turn by turn gps and you can use google maps
anyway, in terms of apps, i've always been a fan of tomtom, but only recently acquired garmin xt as tomtom will not work with your radio off.

Amaze looks pretty good, but I haven't had a proper chance to use it. I live in Las Vegas and this place grows literally by the day. So from my perspective there are tons of roads missing and it doesn't even have my neighborhood (2 years old) at all.

Question for those who use garmin:
Do you find V5 to be slower than V4 as far as using the actual program goes?
Which do you think runs smoother?

On my Fuze, Garmin refereshes VERY slow, but it has a nicer interface. For me TomTom has been very reliable, and that is what I use.

samz465 said:
Question for those who use garmin:
Do you find V5 to be slower than V4 as far as using the actual program goes?
Which do you think runs smoother?
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As far as moving around the program? v5 seems just as fast as v4 was for me. As far as the map refreshes, Garmin has always refreshed at about once per second, even in the standalone Nuvi ones.

I'm trying the previously mentioned services this week!
I pay the $10 a month for the AT&T Nav, now I wonder if I have been wasting my cash on it. For the most part it performs well and I use it daily. Sometimes it takes 10+ minutes to find a GPS sat. and that's unacceptable for a paid service. I've heard good things about OnCourse and would like to hear more about it if anybody has experiences.
Google Maps is good if you have time and the skill to stare at the little screen without crashing into a tree.

Internet connection required for GPS???

Hello, I downloaded a GPS program that is supposed track where i've been when its running, no maps or anything just a line. My question is, Why does my phone keep connecting to the net when I start the program and turn on the GPS? Does the net need to be connected to use the GPS?
TIA
Si Cwan

Only if you have aGPS enabled or if your program requires it.

I doubt you could be too much more vague (well okay you could have left out that it is a GPS program) in your inquiry.
I would suggest firt that you ask this question on the site where you got the GPS program and second maybe provide a little of of which of the many GPS programs this is so that if someone has specific knowledge of that app they might actually be able to reply.

I should have just asked if an Internet connection was required to use the GPS Receiver in this (AT&T Fuze) phone...
the program i'm talking about is this one here, NoniGPSPlot

It doesn't look like that program requires an internet connection, so my earlier post still applies.
If you have aGPS turned on, then it will try to connect to the internet first, this is because its assisted-GPS and will contact your provider's servers to help get a GPS fix.
If you have aGPS turned off, then no, you don't need the internet.
Check Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings.

Just to use the GPS Receiver no you don't need internet.
For navigation with maps you have 2 options:
1) Internet based such as google maps & Live Search, these require a constant internet connection.
2) Device based such as TomTom, Garmin, iGO etc, these store the maps locally on your storage card so no internet connection is required.
The program you linked to doesn't appear to even use maps and works by simply showing your position in relation to saved positions allowing you to navigate (like a compass) in their general direction. This would be useful for maritime navigation, flight navigation and GeoCaching but certianly not all that useful in your car as a travel aide.

Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1

Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.

There's a number of threads on this in the software section here.
iGo works fine with WM6.1. Garmin is also nice but doesn't have TTS. TomTom is good also.
TomTom doesn't have my subdivision in their maps as well as a few other places I go, so that's why I don't use it.

kyphur said:
Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.
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I like the Garmin interface, but I wish the maps flowed like iGo and TomTom instead of updating once a second.
The only reason I keep Garmin on my card is because it uses better routes than iGo sometimes. Even though I have the newest Navteq maps for both and have tried all routing settings, Garmin always gave me the most logical routes while iGo would give me longer ones.

sicwan said:
Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1
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Referring to your 4x4 stuff (not the navigation), you might want to check out sportsdo.net. They have a pretty good system for off-road adventures (I use it for mountain biking and hiking). There are no maps, but you can upload your tracks to there portals, and it will show you where you've been on a google-map sort of display. It also tells you elevation gains and losses and a bunch of other things (internet connections aren't needed while using sportsdo, but you can upload you're stuff remotely if you have one).