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Help & advise needed - Sat Nav

Hi there,
As a new owner of the o2 XDA mini s I would like to install a sat nav program, preferably one that covers Europe, any suggestions on which to use and how to obtain it would be appreciated, thanks.

I find TomTom to be pretty good.
I suppose Expansys at Expansys.com would be a good start. Also, checkout TomTom's own web site.

@mx5duncan
I have used all three major versions:
TomTom 5.21
Navigon 5
Destinator6
TomTom is nice, but it's full of bugs, old cards and way to many strange problems
Navigon looks very nice but SOOOOOO SLOW (takes minutes to enter an address) and recalulate the route will give you mist turns TOOO SLOW
Destinator is clearly my winner easy to use, excellent maps and very fast.
Don't need your manual very intuitive
Tuurtje

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Tuurtje said:
I have used all three major versions:
TomTom 5.21
Navigon 5
Destinator6
TomTom is nice, but it's full of bugs, old cards and way to many strange problems
Navigon looks very nice but SOOOOOO SLOW (takes minutes to enter an address) and recalulate the route will give you mist turns TOOO SLOW
Destinator is clearly my winner easy to use, excellent maps and very fast.
Don't need your manual very intuitive
Tuurtje
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Thanks for your help guys. The Destinator6 sounds OK but how do I go about getting hold of it? Is it available to download anywhere or do I have to purchase it? As I said, I'm new to this phone and also to sat nav so any help, however small is hugely appreciated, cheers.

Hi if you are intrested in a tomtom system on your pda I have a uncracked version with full europe mapping (Requires a 2Gb mini sd card
Or a GB+ Major roads of europe (can get away with 512Mb but 1GB is better)
If you are intrested i will put it on a CD for you and post it out for a small charge (about €10) if yo like.
You will have to purchase a Code from Tomtom or get your own crack tho

Hi,
You can visit the Destinator 6 site see link below:
Ill plug my own company DSL Developments as we are an authorised reseller, but also heres the Destinator link to the resellers also, hope that helps.
D6 is proving very popular, its very easy to use and install, and very upto date, latest maps and postcodes, and if you are new to PDAs and sat nav, its a doddle to install and use each day:
Hope that helps!
Bryson
DSL Developments Destinator page:
http://www.dsldevelopments.com/Destinator/destinator.asp
Destinator 6 site: http://www.destinatortechnologies.net/uk/products/purchase/

Ipaq 6915 and GPS usage....???

Hello
I will shortly be the lucky (I hope if the purchase goes ok) owner of a Ipaq 6915 and wanted to know if anyone has got any experience at all with running TomTom on this unit...?
I have found the software that I want to buy....
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=48M0&fb=22&InMerch=1
...but I am struggling to know if it will work on my device. I am reading of problems with maps not found or TomTom only supporting devices that are on their list of approved devices, I'm not sure if that is right....?
Reading the link above I can't see the 6915 listed and would appreciate any help on whether I should buy from them and am I right in assuming that there are no demo of this software to test compatibility...???
I have mailed TomTom support from my account but still have not got a reply.
Sorry if the above is a really obvious question but I am rather new at this.

Actually the 6915 should come with a built in version of TomTom (the model I've seen had it, but this may very depending on region) specialized for it. It also has a map downloading app, but you will need to pay for an account.
I suggest you wait until you receive the device before considering purchasing additional navigation software.

<hangs head in embarrassment> - thanks for your help, it shows how new I am to thing. I understood it had a built in GPS but I didn't know a version of TT come built in, it seems to get better..!!!!
When you write about it needing an account would that be to register for the map in the area that I live...?

No need to be embarrassed.
GPS PDA / phones don't usually come with a built in navigation software. HP did good on this one.
I am not sure how it works exactly. I just saw that the app can download one free map as an example, some small area I think.
I know you need to pay if you want to download additional maps, but I have no idea how the registration process works.
I only had the device to play with for a few days, so I didn't get very far with it (Not to spoil your joy of the new toy but I really didn't like the square screen).

Thanks for your help, again. I will now wait to conclude the purchase of the device (the seller is waiting for his latest gadget before letting me buy the 6915)
I have spent so long trawling through forums and posts to find out as much as I can (obviously it didn't do me much good) on whether TomTom is approved on the device and will work. And then what I need to buy.
Good job they didn't have TT in stock at the above supplier as I would have bought it ready, now that would have been an embarrassment....!!!!
Thankyou again for your help and maybe its just me but my navigation skills around TomTom's website on finding more information is poor, I suppose that is why I need the GPS function....!!!!
Here is hoping that I only need to have ONE device and not a pocket full of the things, including several chargers and leads...!!!!!!

Well, I have been using this ipaq with TT version 6 and without any problems. The original ipaq did come with a TomTom pre-installed with a map of a small area. Well, I ended up installing another copy of TT6 - had no problems at all. A very good PDA - used to use xda2i earlier, but now do not need to carry any gps receiver as it is built in.

Thanks for the feedback spahwa - with it having the built in GPS, and other features, that is why I am interested in it. This means I will hopefully only have one device to carry around etc etc etc.
Glad to see that TT6 can be installed if required.

ttn6 is a great app... the 6515 however uses agps, so be warned. it requires the download of lto dat files every 3 days or else the gps wont function there are alternative 10 day lto files out there...
i was unhappy with the performance, or more accurately, the way the agps system works on my 6515 and more recently my 6945... ttn6 installed fine to both devices. i currently run ttn6 on my h5555 ipaq with a navman sleeve. i also like iguidance for either device.
just wanted to give you a heads up about the agps, cause i didnt know anything about it untill ofter the fact. there are devices out ther with different chipsets and quicker satelite recognition, so shop around a bit if you can
digit

mmm... You certainly have given me something to think about that I wasn't aware of that could real implications on the practical use of the device.
Thanks VERY much for your post.

i should add that my primary device is an hw6945 and im very happy with it. although i dont use it as my primary gps device, its a very well rounded device. the only short-comming is the 240x240 screen which for some is a huge limitation (for me its not too bad as i have other devices which fill the void)... again, i would read into some alternatives before you dive into something. there are many devies and many new devices that are coming out with gps now
jd
edit: i would google "6515 tt6" and like searches to get a feel of some of the issues people have been dealing with regarding tomtom, and the agps unit on this device in general

jdigitL said:
ttn6 is a great app... the 6515 however uses agps, so be warned. it requires the download of lto dat files every 3 days or else the gps wont function there are alternative 10 day lto files out there...
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that's not true. the GPS will still function w/o the lto files, although the ttff may be affecte as a result. There's a tweak (let me know if you don't have) to download the 10 day lto files, but otherwise, I don't really think this is a showstopper. The performance of the agps is defnitely on par with a sirf3 chip in a mobile device.
i was unhappy with the performance, or more accurately, the way the agps system works on my 6515 and more recently my 6945... ttn6 installed fine to both devices. i currently run ttn6 on my h5555 ipaq with a navman sleeve. i also like iguidance for either device.
just wanted to give you a heads up about the agps, cause i didnt know anything about it untill ofter the fact. there are devices out ther with different chipsets and quicker satelite recognition, so shop around a bit if you can
digit
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I am happy with the performance, no problem with the fix or what soever.

"There's a tweak (let me know if you don't have) to download the 10 day lto files"
... idont have please enlighten me is this based on either device or limited to the 6515, as im using a 6945 at this point...
thanks,
john

srry, doublepost

hey i also own a hw6945 and i was wondering if you have anywhere specifically where i can get programs for this screen size? im particually looking for an aim program that fits this screen sizze....thx

On my HW6915 there is no single problem running TT5. TT6 also runs great, however TT5 runs smoother.
Although AGPS is builtin, there's no need to use this software. Without updates the builtin GPS normally gets a fix within a minute.

i bought the hp 6915 at christmas and its the first pda ive had, i installed tt 6 on it and it works fine for me,
as far as the tomtom they give you on the hp 6915 is the vertion 4.0
you can the download for free a map of your town but you will have to buy any other maps or download them on bit torrent (grin)
if you do that there is a small mod to do in the windows system if tomtom can't find the gps radio
change the "IsEnabled de 1 to 0." in the \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\section using a system editer like resco
What is true though is the screen size is too small. The next pda i buy will definatly have a bigger screen but the hp is certainly a pda swiss army knife
thats my opinion anyway
larry

6915 manual said that the 4 files for the gps can be downloaded through activesink but i use free wifi spots to download them every few days.
the main advantage about agps is that it get's fix much faster

Sat Nav software for Touch Pro UK

Hello again
I am currently looking for a UK based sat nav programme for my Touch Pro.
Seems to be a few Nav N Go,Tom Tom and Copilot
Does anyone have a recommendation and will it utilise the touch screen
Thanks in advance

theoneeye said:
Hello again
I am currently looking for a UK based sat nav programme for my Touch Pro.
Seems to be a few Nav N Go,Tom Tom and Copilot
Does anyone have a recommendation and will it utilise the touch screen
Thanks in advance
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Welcome
Not sure 'bout UK nav, but iGo works great in the US.

Bruce Inman said:
Welcome
Not sure 'bout UK nav, but iGo works great in the US.
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Thanks for that I will check it for a uk version

Garmin XT..

I'm pretty boring. I have tomtom for in-car satnav and google maps for if i get lost walking round a city.
Both are free (whoo!) but remember google will require a data connection to download maps (free) as you go and tomtom requires you to buy the maps (i believe you can get a free city map when you sign up on their site)

Cool Cheers
I will have a look on the old Fleabay

alright mate,
i have co pilot and it rocks dude.
i use it with an external gps, but i have also tried my google maps with internal gps and that was fairly accurate.

I have copilot also. works great. I got it off amazon.co.uk for about £60. not cheap but very good. Loads of different voice, POIs etc if thats what you want.
I even use it on my motor bike and the buttons are big enough even if you have gloves on.

Garmin is good. And they have UK nav. Or you can try co-pilot. My friend Nina was using that and she said it worked great. Also she found some other GPS on internet like zorro. They must have UK based nav.

i've seen many GPS tests on WM platform, and i think that iGo Amigo is the best app available, with Navigon following shortly behind....
iGo Amigo
-- TTS
-- Signpost info
-- Lane info
-- Terrain

Navigation software review for HTC Vox / S710

Hi,
i tried several navigation solutions for vox, and here is a little review:
1. Sygic Mobile / McGuider
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
+ good graphics while navigation
+ no bluescreens (at all)
2. Navigon Mobile Navigator 7
+ best graphics while navigation
+ fast route calculation
- doesnt works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
- crashes operating system so that you have to do a hard reset.
- doesnt recognize GPS-settings from last use
3. Garmin Mobile XT
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
+ fast route calculation
- works to slow to navigate, gives hint "turn right" when you already passed the crossing.
4. Route 66
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
no further testing because i didnt find a "free" map to test
Hope this "little" review helps some people looking for navigation software for vox.
I use an external gps - Jentro BT-GPS-8U.
Greets
Alex

Nice little compilation.
I am using Garmin Mobile XT and I never found it too slow (except when you're using the preview of turns which then takes too long to switch back to normal view). I have been using it here in Germany as well as in Scotland and it always found a pretty good route (except for a small street on a small scottish island hehe).
I am using a Bluemax GPS receiver.

You forgot to mention Tom Tom which with version 7.915 (I don't remember the build...maybe 9196) has become pretty usable without a fake cursor.
Also regarding my experience...McGuider is the nicer but the less reliable...something you can't thrust in.
GarminXT, is pretty decent to use, and more reliable...as stated by Frauhottelman...sure it isn't the smoother thing you'll see in your life...but, hei, you're running it on a 200 Mhz TI OMAP CPU.
TomTom ...i'm starting hating it...it does whatever it wants...IMO...On my Fuze it simply ignores the settings you set in it...and keep you crossing field roads...LOL.. damn it!
So my 2 cents go for the Garmin.
P.S: Whenever you'll go to the WM Pro platform...my suggest point all theway out for the Igo experience.

Did you test any of these without GPS connected, i´m thinking it could be used as a normal roadmap for finding your way without GPS.

Hey
anybody know why i cant get the device id for my vox in ttnavitor.bif?
flyboy

Murd0ck said:
Did you test any of these without GPS connected, i´m thinking it could be used as a normal roadmap for finding your way without GPS.
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If you were talking to me...only for some seconds, just to see what path did they decide...not in real driving need. Sorry.

TheBo said:
If you were talking to me...only for some seconds, just to see what path did they decide...not in real driving need. Sorry.
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Just new users for vox ) - toons of questions, without prior reading - just new phone where user is very new to wm or ever smart phones
m32

dear brothers
do you mean that s710 is GPS enabled ????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no gps built into the vox BUT it has bluetooth + if you have a bluetooth gps mouse like from ebay etc you will have a gps signal as good as or better than most gps enabled cellphones...

[Q] HTC Locations premium navigation query

I know google maps has navigation. but i need offline maps. cant always guarantee a connection where i go.
I was wondering has anyone tried the onboard locations maps? particularly has anyone got the premium features? live traffic and wot not.
I have been using copilot 8 on my hd2 and its pretty rubbish. was hoping for more from locations, i read somewhere that deep inside it has a tom tom connection.

Have a look here :
sygic
http://www.sygic.com/en
or here
Navigon
http://www.navigon.com/portal/it/produkte/navigationssoftware/mobile_navigator_android.html
or here
IgoMyWay
http://www.igomyway.com/android/en/
or here
NDrive
http://www.ndrive.com/en/platforms/android
Hope its help dude.

I like the look of that sygic, but have to admit am curious about locations. I wonder how deeply integrated it is, and if the traffic system is any good.
Does anyone know if the premium traffic is connected to the tomtom HD traffic system? According to the spiel from tomtom it tracks user traffic flow in real time and adjusting routes accordingly.

freedirk said:
I like the look of that sygic, but have to admit am curious about locations. I wonder how deeply integrated it is, and if the traffic system is any good.
Does anyone know if the premium traffic is connected to the tomtom HD traffic system? According to the spiel from tomtom it tracks user traffic flow in real time and adjusting routes accordingly.
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I can't comment much on this but one thing I can say is that a nice bit of integration according to the Sense tour on the HTC website is integrating the call screen with the Nav system so that calls don't interrupt your gps functionality while driving.

I saw that and liked it. Just wondered if anyone had tried it indepth.

I try nearly all on my WM6.5 but as far as i know tomtom isn't for android platform. for others gps soft, Sygic and Ndrive are quite nice, but by far I prefer IGO and if u have RDS u got in real time all informations ...... etc etc.
Personnally I havent yet the HTC sensation, waiting to be totally bootloaders unlock.
Its up to U, to see whats your real need and Google is your friends to have all informations needed.

Hmm... but which Navis are really working for the Sensation Display?
As far as I've ready, just the Copilot and anotherone, not the iGo?

freedirk said:
I know google maps has navigation. but i need offline maps. cant always guarantee a connection where i go.
I was wondering has anyone tried the onboard locations maps? particularly has anyone got the premium features? live traffic and wot not.
I have been using copilot 8 on my hd2 and its pretty rubbish. was hoping for more from locations, i read somewhere that deep inside it has a tom tom connection.
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Can't you pay for Locations on a monthly basis? For a pretty small fee you can try it out for a month and see if it suits your needs. That's what I plan to do once I get my hands on the phone.

I read that too. Anyone using any others with any measure of success?

last sygic version does not (yet) work on sensation. It automatically closes. Hoping for a fix soon.

One of the PC Mags (UK), PC Pro from memory, has just done a sat nav comparison. For a separate system go for TomTom (their conclusion) but for a phone-based one go for CoPilot Live 8.
They're also about to release CoPilot Live 9 and, from the brief review I've seen it fixes a lot of the shortcomings of 8.
Dave - not used either, just going from what I've read before any flames start ...

dvhttn said:
One of the PC Mags (UK), PC Pro from memory, has just done a sat nav comparison. For a separate system go for TomTom (their conclusion) but for a phone-based one go for CoPilot Live 8.
They're also about to release CoPilot Live 9 and, from the brief review I've seen it fixes a lot of the shortcomings of 8.
Dave - not used either, just going from what I've read before any flames start ...
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No flaming, just reporting my experience. Just used CoPilot 8 on a recent trip, and the map was bad. Directed me to turn onto a bridge when there was no road to do this. I've found other map errors in my local area for road segments that have been in place for years. Of course, any GPS can have map errors, but relying on updates a couple of times a year at most, rather than online, increases the likelihood. Hopefully if and when Google implements maps stored on the phone updates will be available anytime.

yeah, but this here is about the sensation...
I've had alot of different navigations on my phones and pocket pcs. but right now, it seems just the copilot is working well on the sensation (which btw, I hate, its too bubble-gummy for me, looks like driving through disney world). the iGo and Navigon don't work to my knowledge for example (so far, I found iGo the best, Tomtom and Navigon tied).
but the OP just wants to know: who uses the built-in Nav with premium service, and how good is it.