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So I convince my sisters husband to trade in his iphone 3Gs for an HTC Desire HD. Within a week he is selling it on ebay, siteing very weak battery performance, poor multitouch implementation and general Lag as the main issues. He's actually gone back the 3GS.
I am an android fan an user. But while the poll seems to suggest the Desire HD is the best android phone of the year personally I disagree. The battery life on this device is absolutely appalling. Whats the point in having all those features when you MUST disable pretty much all connectivity/widgets etc to get a days use out of it? Personally I think it's poor engineering on HTC'S part. This in my mind shows a lack of thought as well on HTC's part.
How is it also that a device with the most ram on the market and one of the most capable CPU's is still laggy? I've seen it myself, it does pale in comparison to an iphone 4. And the multitouch implementation is also not as smooth. Now these issues wouldn't bother me as much because I love the android platform but for regular more superficial consumers who aren't looking to hack their device (like my sstsres husband) these are obvious problems and perceived as a direct indication of the superiority of apple devices.
I used to be an HTC fan but I am now becoming skeptical. My next android device will almost certainly not run sense UI as I think it is a contributing LAG factor and provides little actual benefit due to the Weak battery performance on most high end HTC devices.
So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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I hate I can't be of assistance but I have not experienced lag on my high-end android device.
I see lag and have a HTC Evo. It lags while scrolling through web pages and it lags while scrolling through the apps. This is because of the Android OS. Open up system panel and scroll up and down in the open apps and watch the cpu spike to almost 100%...WTF. This is what causes the stuttery look. It's not smooth at all compared to the Iphone.
So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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The software isn't coded to efficiently offload to the GPU.
Dalvik isn't as great as other VM implementations (like .NET CF, I'm not sure if Apple uses a VM implementation - I have used, but never owned, an iOS device).
Manufacturer additions can clog the device up.
Also, Location services running in the background (even with GPS off) use your Cell Radio - draining battery. C2DM is nice and all, but most applications are coded also to work with 2.1 devices and tend to fail at choosing which one to use exclusively on FroYo devices. This leads to more battery drain.
Widgets use too much battery power. They need something similar to Live Tiles or PUSH-based updating instead of polling for widgets. If Google would develop decent stock Widgets, we'd be less dependent on these battery draining third-party or manufacturer widgets.
Most Android phones poll for Facebook/Twitter/etc. updates at specified intervals, using up battery. In addition, the Official (and third-party) Facebook/Twitter apps poll alongside the Android integrations, using up double the amount of battery power needed to update 2-4+ separate entities with the same data. Manufacturers should just integrate the official apps, instead of making redundant integrations into the base system. Waste of resources and battery power.
The base Android system is simply less efficient than something like Symbian when it comes to conserving data and Android developers generally don't worry about these types of things until after their applications are released, and it can take them months to remedy the issues due to the inefficiencies in the code, etc.
Akulamenuri said:
I hate I can't be of assistance but I have not experienced lag on my high-end android device.
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Then don't respond.
Thanks N8ter, nice for someone to finally shed some light on the subject. Really think they need to address some of these issues, especially if they are to change the mainstreams perceptions of the OS.
Any chance this little update's gonna help you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
I've yet to see any great lag on my Desire Z.
Sure, it can lag from times. But usually doesn't. This is probably because of OC and using a non-rosie rom.
Using a non-sense rom would help even more, as Sense itself causes lag.
I don't get lag on my gt540.
And thats a low end phone running 2.1.
Why you getting lag?
Well,it's mostly due to lack of UI hardware acceleration.The iCrap had it first because Apple needs to develop their OS for only one piece of hardware,which means it can be optimized in every possible way.Android and other platforms(although I think WP7 also has hardware acceleration) lack this and all of the UI is for the CPU to handle.Software rendering is zip compared to hardware,as GPUs are far more powerful than CPUs,they just use a limited instruction set,but they need no compiler.
Hope I helped!
It's a serious design flaw the needs to be addressed. Use the GPU, Luke! It feels awful using an Android handset, especially if you come from the perfect (albeit "limited" in some respects) world of another platform (I don't want to mention its name here). This problem completely shatters the user-experience.
If you, like millions of others, want to see this design flaw addressed, then cast your vote here:
(I can't post links, just search for "Android Issue 6914" - should be the first result).
Also, looks like Samsung are doing something about it with their latest Android 2.2.1 update that should be hitting the UK soon:
(again, can't post links, go to YouTube and tack this on the end of the URL: "watch?v=JpH3oX9RhIE").
(Youtube: watch?v=MkZZXeF5uV8)
At the moment, "Android" in synonymous with "lag" and "sluggishness". The above YouTube links of 2.2.1 on the Galaxy S show Android the way nature intended it to run! They show that things can be different, and we don't have to suffer that shame and embarrassment of sub-standard UI performance that's a far second to (you know who)!!
I for one am hoping Samsung's example with 2.2.1 is a sign of things to come (I've been hoping this for over 2 years now - sigh...).
I hope so as well. Lay is a major issue and to me waste battery life.
I get no lag with my vibrant even with little storage left.
I rarely ever get lag, only time I have on my Inc is when I downloaded an app that didn't agree with the phone.
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Had no lag on my Nexus One with Froyo or now with Gingerbread.
galaxys said:
Had no lag on my Nexus One with Froyo or now with Gingerbread.
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Go try the Microbes LWP. You'll soon see it
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Go try the Microbes LWP. You'll soon see it
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HaHa! I'll take your word on that one and stick with my stable rom...for now
Samsung Fascinate. No lag. Battery about the same as an iPhone unless put through rigorous usage. Amazing screen / multitouch.
Screw HTC.
Samsung Fascinate, Verizon
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I guess you guys have less than 50 apps..I understand..really.
On my at this point low powered Eris I'm running with sense and have 60 apps installed with almost no lag
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I have 104 ..
My dad is using a stock Mytouch 4G and I noticed some lag when I was playing around with it, and we've only had our phones for about a month . I am running CM7 RC2 on mine and I think it's safe to say that sense is what causes a good part of the lag. I think GPU acceleration is what is needed to keep android from running dry due to laggy devices. I know a couple of people who immediatly opted to get the iPhone over android because the devices were faster.
I have to say that I am just wowed at the RTM version of Windows Phone Mango. I know that the drivers are not optimized for my Dell Venue Pro due to me forcing the RTM and I know that most of you dislike WP7 but WOW. It is undoubtedly even smoother than iOS and certainly beats out the smoothness of android. I didn't think you could get smoother than iOS as the hardware is built for the OS all by the same company but kudos to windows for how amazing a job they've done. The facebook, twitter, and linkedin integration clearly exceeds the social network integration of any other OS and the gaming is just amazing. I know iOS currently has us beat in that department but with Microsofts uncanny ability to throw infinite funds at whatever the hell they need to I don't see that being an issue for too long. Aside from that the OS is buttery smooth, the market place is filling fast, it's got everything an OS needs and then some and of all the OSes I've tried on the hundreds of devices I've had, I'm in love.
My brother has a Dell Venue Pro and he's had a hell of a lot of issues with it. He just finally managed to update it to the latest version the other day so I don't know if it's managed to iron out any of the issues yet.
So what I was wondering is have you had any issues with yours? And what about after updating it to Mango?
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I have to say that I am just wowed at the RTM version of Windows Phone Mango. I know that the drivers are not optimized for my Dell Venue Pro due to me forcing the RTM and I know that most of you dislike WP7 but WOW. It is undoubtedly even smoother 1 than iOS and certainly beats out the smoothness 2 of android. I didn't think you could get smoother 3 than iOS as the hardware is built for the OS all by the same company but kudos to windows for how amazing a job they've done. The facebook, twitter, and linkedin integration clearly exceeds the social network integration of any other OS and the gaming is just amazing. I know iOS currently has us beat in that department but with Microsofts uncanny ability to throw infinite funds at whatever the hell they need to I don't see that being an issue for too long. Aside from that the OS is buttery smooth 4, the market place is filling fast, it's got everything an OS needs and then some and of all the OSes I've tried on the hundreds of devices I've had, I'm in love.
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
lol, the op is a funny guy. He hates android and then goes fanboy on wp7.
I run wp7 on my hd2 myself, running YukiXDA's v5 NoDo, and its ok, it's not as great as Android and I do feel rather limited with the tiles and simplistic menus..
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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Ugly as hell? No offense but what the **** are you smoking? WP7 is hands down the best looking mobile OS on the market. It makes iOS and Android look archaic and stale by comparison.
Android has it beat on features and app count, but as for usability? NOTHING approaches the usefulness or beauty of WP7. It's UI design is award winning for a reason--because it's great .
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lol, the op is a funny guy. He hates android and then goes fanboy on wp7.
I run wp7 on my hd2 myself, running YukiXDA's v5 NoDo, and its ok, it's not as great as Android and I do feel rather limited with the tiles and simplistic menus..
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There's no doubt Android is the more customizable OS with the bigger app catalog, but there's nothing "simplistic" about Live Tiles--they blow icons AND widgets out of the water, especially in Mango.
There's little question that WP7 is still in its infancy, but MS nailed the user interface dead on, and with Mango it only got better (ran an iPhone for 2+ years and run Gingerbread on a rooted Nook--I like 'Droid, it's a great OS, but WP7's UI is simply superior).
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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yup, your phone is smooth on wp7, runs 1 good OS and a few laggy ones with vast marketplaces, emulates (which is admittedly nice but with real high quality games on your OS who needs em?), is customizable, but regardless of customization will be laggy and ill-responsive, and if you're a crack flasher its fun. I like spending my time using my phone, not putting a new rom on it on a daily basis. I'll let you know that many years ago Microsoft released winmo5, it does all you apparently need minus the vast marketplace full of low quality apps and malware. Enjoy using a broken UI, I'll enjoy having a UI that moves when I want it to.
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My brother has a Dell Venue Pro and he's had a hell of a lot of issues with it. He just finally managed to update it to the latest version the other day so I don't know if it's managed to iron out any of the issues yet.
So what I was wondering is have you had any issues with yours? And what about after updating it to Mango?
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the device had more than its fair share of issues before the official dell update, shotty camera, random reboots, and crappy connection all on account of poor drivers made by dell, now it's astounding. Mango just improved it, you won't find a smoother device out there.
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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Its not ugly, its bold and informative.
Its not annoying transitions, its dynamic.
Its not boring, its simplistic and intuitive.
Your phone is laggy. Androids are laggy, even with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious hardware.
What's the point of running multiple OS's when you're not gonna use them all at the same time.
Emulators are lame, it can't beat the real thing.
Full customization means endless possibilities of making your phone look so good its wasting time, wasting time = waste of battery -> waste of money.
Its not fun because its laggy and ugh and yuck and spit.
Microsoft already went there, the most recent version of Windows Mobile that can be compared to andr-yuck is Windows Mobile 6.5, and then Microsoft moved on to WP7.
Have fun playing and flashing your phone.
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yup, your phone is smooth on wp7, runs 1 good OS and a few laggy ones with vast marketplaces, emulates (which is admittedly nice but with real high quality games on your OS who needs em?), is customizable, but regardless of customization will be laggy and ill-responsive, and if you're a crack flasher its fun. I like spending my time using my phone, not putting a new rom on it on a daily basis. I'll let you know that many years ago Microsoft released winmo5, it does all you apparently need minus the vast marketplace full of low quality apps and malware. Enjoy using a broken UI, I'll enjoy having a UI that moves when I want it to.
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Ummm, that's going too far. Android is a great OS. It's UI is nowhere near as good as WP7's, but that doesn't make it a bad OS. Just a stale one
I sooo love the "Android is laggy" crowd. They're cute.
"Who cares about features, WP7 is smooooooooooooooth. Weeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!1111"
Erm, yeah, so is my CM7 (and I could swear the Eclair my phone came with was too).
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There's no doubt Android is the more customizable OS with the bigger app catalog, but there's nothing "simplistic" about Live Tiles--they blow icons AND widgets out of the water, especially in Mango.
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But it is just so boring, and yes, bloody ugly.
Why did MS get it's inspiration from a kid's toy? They sent out WP7's made of Lego so even MS think it looks blocky and dull. Heck they had to blackmail their staff into using WP7 handsets.
I'm sure there are a few people who are into lists and excessive scrolling, I'm one of the majority who aren't.
I do feel it's good that minority products are made though to cater for such interests.
Incidentally, have they fix the issue with listening to movies over Bluetooth with the Mango update or is it still lacking that basic feature?
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the device had more than its fair share of issues before the official dell update, shotty camera, random reboots, and crappy connection all on account of poor drivers made by dell, now it's astounding. Mango just improved it, you won't find a smoother device out there.
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I think he's had more problems than just that; he can't even use the marketplace! Thanks for the reply though, might be able to convince him to get the beta even if he does have a tendency to avoid anything "not official". I'm currently just trying to keep my Omnia 7 unlocked (having problems with updating the diagnosis tool).
I'm going to avoid the fanboy flamewar that's started on this thread, though I will say that as much as I do love my WP7, I would like to get an Android alongside it. As for the iOS, well...I had an iTouch which I loved (sold it recently to get an upgrade), but I would never get it as a phone.
One thing's for sure though: They all have their pros and cons; they're all far from "perfect".
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I sooo love the "Android is laggy" crowd. They're cute.
"Who cares about features, WP7 is smooooooooooooooth. Weeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!1111"
Erm, yeah, so is my CM7 (and I could swear the Eclair my phone came with was too).
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one more updated android phone will always seem smoother than its predecessor but in comparison to a hardware accelerated UI they just aren't. I care quite a bit about features and with the release of Mango I have tons of features that I would've spent days finding on xda and the marketplace just to have a comparable device. These features are all right out of the box.
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one more updated android phone will always seem smoother than its predecessor but in comparison to a hardware accelerated UI they just aren't. I care quite a bit about features and with the release of Mango I have tons of features that I would've spent days finding on xda and the marketplace just to have a comparable device. These features are all right out of the box.
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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No idea where you're getting your information from but it's wrong... Samsung has modified it with the GS2 to make it about 90 percent hardware accelerated but that's about it...
I run MIUI with a custom kernel that is underclocked to .8 and it runs smooth as butter. Plus, its entirely themeable so if the UI gets boring, just switch it. I also get almost 2 days of battery with mild use. WP7 is cool but I think it still has a lot of catching up to do.
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But it is just so boring, and yes, bloody ugly.
Why did MS get it's inspiration from a kid's toy? They sent out WP7's made of Lego so even MS think it looks blocky and dull. Heck they had to blackmail their staff into using WP7 handsets.
I'm sure there are a few people who are into lists and excessive scrolling, I'm one of the majority who aren't.
I do feel it's good that minority products are made though to cater for such interests.
Incidentally, have they fix the issue with listening to movies over Bluetooth with the Mango update or is it still lacking that basic feature?
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I don't find it dull at all. I see where it could be, if you lumped all your same color tiles together, but I stagger them out and pin other apps with colorful live tiles to my start screen and it ends up looking very nice.
But issue #1 is simple usability. WP7 has it in spades, Android and iOS don't, at least not to the same degree. And as a 2+ year iPhone user and current iPad and Android on Nook user, I'll tell you this: I spend FAR less time scrolling in WP7 than in either of the other OS's.
As for A2DP, it works fine for me and always has.
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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CM7 IS smooth, and it's a very nice OS. But it's not as smooth or as fast as WP7, especially Mango.
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I run MIUI with a custom kernel that is underclocked to .8 and it runs smooth as butter. Plus, its entirely themeable so if the UI gets boring, just switch it. I also get almost 2 days of battery with mild use. WP7 is cool but I think it still has a lot of catching up to do.
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I agree that it has some catching up to do in the feature set, but Mango really does get it about 90% of the way there. It's removed every major ***** I had early on (and I had a lot ), and added features I didn't think I would care about but turned out to be fantastic. I truly can't see myself switching off WP going forward ever again.
As a long time Android user (OG Droid) I cannot believe I am about to ask this. I know it will spur alot of hate my way, but I guess I can take it...
I am thinking of upgrading to the next Iphone (5).
I haven't thought lightly about this. As previously stated, I have used Android since the motorola droid 1 and since then I have rooted every phone and installed countless roms.
The common theme in all the phones and roms I've encountered is intermittent lag. Every phone, every rom, has had lag from time to time. I'm talking about having to wait 3-10 seconds for the dialer or home screen to come up.
I have tried all different homes, scripts, etc to improve it, but the problems remain. The problem is it's intermitent, that's why it's hard to isolate the cause.
Also, the only root privledges I really enjoy are removing apps and wireless tethering.
So a few questions for you guys:
Who here also has an iphone 4, 4s?
Does it have any lag at all?
Is there a way to bypass itunes to transfer music/vids to it?
Anyone convert to iphone and then regret it?
What limitations besides flash are there?
Is there a way to wirelessly tether?
Flame on, I'm ready
Galaxy Nexus and done
A few of my buddies have iPhones, dating back to the iPhone3G. They have all had problems at one point or another. All of them. Lag? Have you ever used an iPhone? Two of my friends have jailbroken iPhone4s that lag more than my OG Droid. They look at my Charge and drool. My friends with stock iPhone4's seem to have better performance.
iPhone3G had some of the most ****ty battery life I've ever seen on a phone. This was back in 2008. Everyone I knew who owned an iPhone3G had multiple chargers (office, home, car). Also, the iPhone3G didn't handle the OS updates as well as the 3GS and above. My friend who used an iPhone3G was basically crippled at times.
I've seen plenty of lag on the iPhone3GS as well. I have the iPod Touch (3rd gen) and have seen lag. My iPod Touch also likes to skip tracks whenever it feels like it.
I can't speak for the performance of the iPads, but I can offer my opinion: they're giant iPod Touches. NOT revolutionary in the least bit. I seriously hate iPads and hate Apple for ruining what "tablet computers" are. Even my supernerdyApplefanboy coworker got upset when the iPad was showcased. He was hoping for an actual tablet (he's an artist), and not just a giant iPod Touch.
EDIT: I'm surprised you haven't complained about your PC lagging.
I hardly ever have lag on my phones, and when it does happen its not extreme and doesn't last long usually just a stutter...
on a related note it bugs me when I watch/read reviews about android phones and all I see/hear is LAG LAG LAG LAG DERPY DERP DERP LAG then the reviewer proceeds to do a demonstration of it and it looks COMPLETELY NORMAL, like they're calling the two milliseconds screen transition lag and afterwards continue to say how horrible it is compared to iOS, which is retarded because they are two completely different os's and everyone knows iOS has its faults as well (one of which, surprise surprise, is LAG)
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Being that I am not a fanboy in either direction, I will give my input, and experience.
Lag. Not normally seen in a stock iphone, but ever so present of jailbroken.
Bypass itunes? Nope. And if you have never used itunes to sync, then coming from android, you may have a hard time getting used to it.
I have used android and ios. Regret it, no. but I prefer androids openness. If I was forced to only user ios would I be miserable? Not from the reliability standpoint. Personally I get bored easily, so I love flashing different roms with android.
Limitations? Ability to change roms. If you jailbreak then you can load up winterboard for themes, but you are still on the same os.
Tether? Possible, yet easier to track, and apple has been known to break this feature easily from their end at carrier requests.
My additional input. Unless the iphone 5 has at least a 4 in screen, and better battery to compensate, I will pass. The small screen does annoy me
I went from Windows Mobile 6.5 -> iOS -> Android.
Even a jailbroken iPhone still needs to call home (your PC) whenever you want to update it. You mentioned bypassing iTunes for adding music. While I am no expert on iOS, there is no method that I've discovered to do this on my Touch 4G. With the exception of my SD backup last night, I cannot remember the last time I needs a PC in front of me to do anything on my phone.
Lag has already been touched upon, and while I've seen it on occasion with Android, iOS 5.0.1 lags a hell of a lot more on my bone stock, with the exception on jailbreak, iPod.
There are plenty of ways to by pass iTunes, I prefer to CopyTrans Manager since it's free and simple.
http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php
There are wireless tether apps PdaNet, TetherMe, and MyWi for jailbroken iPhones on cydia. Be aware though that it is much easier for the carriers to detect tethering on IOS than android.
Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
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Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
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It really comes down to what you want in the long run.
My wife has the Iphone 4 and I have the charge. personally I like the charge better.
Its not in a locked environmet. If your phone lags, and all will it comes down to specs.
My next phone will have 1.5 gb cpu and 1gb ram simple enough for me. Then it will have to fall into a "can I mod it catagory".
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Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
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This made me laugh. Never realized it.
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tsitalon1 said:
As a long time Android user (OG Droid) I cannot believe I am about to ask this. I know it will spur alot of hate my way, but I guess I can take it...
I am thinking of upgrading to the next Iphone (5).
I haven't thought lightly about this. As previously stated, I have used Android since the motorola droid 1 and since then I have rooted every phone and installed countless roms.
The common theme in all the phones and roms I've encountered is intermittent lag. Every phone, every rom, has had lag from time to time. I'm talking about having to wait 3-10 seconds for the dialer or home screen to come up.
I have tried all different homes, scripts, etc to improve it, but the problems remain. The problem is it's intermitent, that's why it's hard to isolate the cause.
Also, the only root privledges I really enjoy are removing apps and wireless tethering.
So a few questions for you guys:
Who here also has an iphone 4, 4s?
Does it have any lag at all?
Is there a way to bypass itunes to transfer music/vids to it?
Anyone convert to iphone and then regret it?
What limitations besides flash are there?
Is there a way to wirelessly tether?
Flame on, I'm ready
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The main problem I have with the iPhone (my mom has it) is that its browser lacks text reflow. You can use alternative browsers that can increase font size, but this can backfire on certain websites (such as dslreports) where lines begin to overlap. Windows Phone 7 also lacks text reflow, and this is a serious issue for me.
Obviously there's Readability, or even Safari's own built-in "Reader" function, to strip ads out of web pages and display text in a very readable format, but that doesn't work with forums or comment pages such as xda or reddit (which are my favorite parts of the web). This issue is exacerbated on iOS's relatively small screen.
As for smoothness and lag, there's no doubt iOS is smoother in all facets. It also doesn't experience standby drain issues, which I've struggled with dealing on my Charge. Its browser is silky smooth, and touch input is prioritized over all other actions (like web page rendering), so you'll be able to move around a page that hasn't fully loaded (you'll just see checkerboxes).
I was hoping Google would fix Android's lag issues with ICS. I want them to eliminate the Dalvik VM framework (it would at the very least spare their OS's future from Oracle's lawsuits) and run things in native code. If you've used WP7 you've no doubt been surprised at how oily smooooth it runs even on outdated Cortex A8 single-core CPUs.
Unfortunately, responses from Google's own engineers are incredibly disheartening. Take this one for example: https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC
Dianne argues points about the differences between iOS and Android, and how this leads to performance issues with Android (security and sandboxing leads to slowness). But later on in the thread an iOS jailbreaker by the name of "Jay Freeman" utterly destroys every one of her claims, pointing out iOS goes above and beyond what Android does (in that specific instance).
If one of Google's own Android engineers doesn't even realize their excuses for performance issues is completely invalid, how is Google ever going to improve their OS?
So yeah, if it weren't for LTE and text reflow in the browser, I might have moved on. You also may want to consider those issues before switching.
Also as a disclaimer, I've flashed the "pre-alpha" ICS ROM on the Charge, and while the stock browser loads much, much faster than Gingerbread, it still stutters and lacks smoothness. Opera Mobile is still by far the smoothest, but even that occasionally experiences microstutters. Many people won't notice or care, but as a former high(ish)-level FPS player I notice these details and it drives me crazy.
To the person above me... Jay Freeman aka Saurik is the person who basically invented jailbreaking. He is the iOS god-the JT1134 of the iPhone.
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I thought this debate died a while back. I don't have lag on the Charge, period.
Get a good ROM, Fugu, V-6, change scheduler, freeze stuff.
Or get Apple. If you have to even ask, then you probably should get Apple.
Besides, by the time the iPhone 5 is out, just think where Android phones will be.
Lol, worst place to post this thread Maybe you should try an iForum
On a serious note, I know what you mean, the UI is smooth as silk, apps open quick and the UI is super speedy. Honestly though, I just upgraded from a milestone (international version of OG Droid) to a Galaxy Nexus, and I really can't complain. I haven't played with a 4S but I mean this phone is buttery smooth with no lag whatsoever. The screen is gorgeous and I love having so much more real estate than a measly 3.7' device. I also could never get used to such a boring UI such as the one present on the iPhone. I mean seriously, the same, overrated UI for 7 years? Although I love what Apple does, their UI is lacking some serious innovation and I for one could never live with that UI on my phone.
As per whether iTunes is required or not, I believe if you are jailbroken, you can use a desktop app called iFunbox. Not sure about this one, but I know you can navigate through the root of the device but not sure if it would play with the native music/video player
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To the person above me... Jay Freeman aka Saurik is the person who basically invented jailbreaking. He is the iOS god-the JT1134 of the iPhone.
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Holy... *that* was Saurik? No wonder he was so knowledgeable about the ins and outs of iOS. I thoroughly enjoyed reading his posts. He somehow made it possible for even a layman like myself to understand what he was saying.
What frustrated me the most was that Dianne did nothing to follow up. She updated her post and admitted to being in error about iOS, but apparently didn't make the connection that her mistake made her entire argument completely moot.
I've always had high hopes for Android, but it's been frustrating me lately. The XDA community does an amazing job of tweaking, fixing, modding, speeding up, etc. to make Android run far better than even stock versions, but only a rewrite of Android's foundations will give it the power to run as ridiculously fluidly as WP7 does on 2009 hardware, let alone iOS on a single-core 600 MHz iPhone 3GS at 256 MB of RAM (albeit at low resolution).
As for Android being linux-based, Meemo is even more customizable and runs more smoothly, despite having less investment into it. Android deserves better. I want Google to stand up and say "we're breaking backwards compatibility to rewrite this OS". Take the lead, be bold, ignore the bleatings of the carriers and OEMs.
With WP7 and iOS not having full multi-tasking support, at least to the level that Android has it, that helps make them more fluid. If you don't have apps in the background taking up RAM and CPU time, regardless of how much or little of the system resources the app takes up, it is still wasted time. In return though, we don't have to worry about closing out music or the browser just to check a text message. If you want to remove the multi-tasking ability of Android, especially if done to ICS, I'm sure that it would be very smooth as well.
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With WP7 and iOS not having full multi-tasking support, at least to the level that Android has it, that helps make them more fluid. If you don't have apps in the background taking up RAM and CPU time, regardless of how much or little of the system resources the app takes up, it is still wasted time. In return though, we don't have to worry about closing out music or the browser just to check a text message. If you want to remove the multi-tasking ability of Android, especially if done to ICS, I'm sure that it would be very smooth as well.
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I don't think this is a fair argument. iOS multitasking is just done differently and has a scheduler optimized for mobile devices with battery constraints. However it is no doubt more limited, which is why I used Meego as an example. Meego has true multitasking, but is still extremely responsive to input with an extremely smooth UI. Even incomplete webOS is more responsive in the browser (although not smooth). And multitasking isn't the only issue with Android.
Take one of the poster's comments: "While the S2's browser is fantastic, other parts are not - such as an SMS inbox with a thread of 30 or so messages, or scrolling through a long list of contacts (it seems to 'stutter' when the ListView has to render headings while scrolling is occurring, so it's not 'fluid'). Third party apps suffer the same fate (i.e. IMDB: scrolling through 'Latest Trailers' or the 'Coming Soon' list, same app on iPhone - buttery smooth and flawless fluidity which makes the end-user feel good).
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Or Skype: install Skype, chat with someone, then scroll up the chat. I'm not even going to start on viewing/panning around PDF files ;(."
Another poster with a custom kernel claimed smooth experience on a different app with similar functionality, but that speaks to xda's accomplishments, and not to Android's effectiveness.
Jay Freeman (aka Saurik... I had no idea) sums up the above mentioned issue here:
"http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3332357 <- check out the responses from Xuzz and ryanpetrich.
In particular, iOS in fact has a multi-window architecture: applications can be made up of multiple UIWindows, and you can have UIWindows from different processes on screen at the same time. When you click on applications in SpringBoard, the transitions you see are animations of windows, and it would not at all be difficult to implement (from a rendering perspective) a scheme where different processes registered something similar to Android's activities, where clicking links slid one process's content off-screen while sliding another process's content on, even while sharing a navigation bar.
The status bar actually used to be an example of this, but they changed it at some point (and honestly I do not remember why, but I do not believe it to have been due to a rendering issue); the notification center, however, is a good current example: the window for the notification center is in SpringBoard, but it is rendering over and at the same time as the window for the application you are covering. There is also no issue having these windows alpha composite onto each other: the little popups that happen from clicking the volume buttons are windows in SpringBoard.
The reason for this is that, like with most multi-window environments (including Android), there is a window manager that is handling all of the actual compositing. In this case, it is SpringBoard, the process that manages the home screen, task switcher, notification center, lock screen, and honestly almost anything that has to be "always happening". The way this works is that surfaces (backed by system or video memory) are managed by a driver that allows them to be passed between processes: applications can render directly to their surfaces, while the actual surface hierarchy is maintained by SpringBoard.
Honestly, though: around here is where my knowledge is really fuzzy, and can't be trusted; Ryan Petrich's knowledge can be, so I will quote his comment from Hacker News: """On iOS, all standard rendering is done in a single context by the Core Animation window server which lives in SpringBoard. Only when an app adds an OpenGL ES layer to the view hierarchy does a separate context need to be created. When that happens, the render graph is split into subgraphs that are rendered to surfaces and displayed as overlays (with SpringBoard rendering all the standard layers and the app rendering the OpenGL layer)""".
The result of all this is that your comments regarding iOS's inability to handle multiple applications sharing screen real-estate in an efficient and secure manner are simply false: the fact that Apple does not support the Android notion of seamlessly moving between applications, with a back-button instead of simply an up/home-button, is simply an irritating business decision they make. As mentioned by Xuzz on Hacker News, it would be a simple manner to, for example, modify UIKeyboard to be handled by a separate process from the app that was calling for it: the involved work would not be rendering complexity.
Finally, the reason why you need to be careful with your view hierarchy to get 60fps scrolling is due to the complexity of loading new table cells and rendering them for the first time: once they are rendered they scroll quickly as the entire layer is cached (afaik, and if I'm wrong on this it doesn't actually matter). The problem on Android is that, even in the best possible cases, where you are staring at a trivial table implemented by the Android team itself (such as the Settings/Preferences app), there is noticeable UI latency and slop while moving your finger over the screen. When you read threads like the response to your first article on Hacker News, you can see this is a serious challenge for Android."
Dianne Hackborne's response is to disregard these points by claiming all of this is due to the nature of GPUs on old Android devices: "Unfortunately for us, until recently we just didn't have GPUs that could do multiple contexts, so if our system worked like that we wouldn't have been able to ship. :}"
She uses the Nexus S as an example of a "newer" device that solved these problems: "For example, a Nexus S can definitely does 60fps on well written lists."
Sadly, my Droid Charge still stutters on lists and when opening the app drawer.
Jay refutes her silly claims and cites an article on lag in ICS on the GNex and lambasts her for attempting to spread the false claim that Android's lag is due to sandboxing and security issues. I've even seen Hackborne (or at least someone claiming to be her) posting on sites like ArsTechnica with various long-winded arguments like the one she posted on Google+. It's bizarre how unwilling she is to directly address these complaints.
Sorry for the long post. It's a wonderful thread with plenty of amazing back and forth arguments. I just want Google to recognize the issues and talk about them more in public. Talk about how they're specifically addressing them. I'm excited as the next guy to get ICS, but it's just not enough. I've seen videos comparing browsing in ICS compared to a single-core A8 WP7 phone. Scrolling and zooming... just no comparison. As much as I hate to admit it, the idea of an HTC Titan II with 4.7" screen and LTE makes me jealous. What I wouldn't give to have an Android phone with that kind of user experience.
Ok, thanks guys.
So from what I'm hearing, it doesn't sound like a fundamental difference in user experience really. Sure you lose control unless you jailbreak, which causes iOS lag...
Most of what I want to do still seems doable. If I decide to go that route I would wait for the 5, as I have to have a bigger screen.
Next question for those that have experienced it. Is there anything comparable to Google navigation on iOS? I know Google has it on iOS, but it's crippled, I also believe there are paid versions, but is there anything free that's as accurate and reliable as the turn by turn Android Nav app?
How about theming? app drawers? I really don't like a cluttered homescreen with all my apps on it. I assume there is an app drawer app that can clean it up right? Oh, what about widgets?
I also want to thank you guys for the open and honest feedback without the usual dismissal that is usually found on some of these boards.
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How about theming? app drawers? I really don't like a cluttered homescreen with all my apps on it. I assume there is an app drawer app that can clean it up right? Oh, what about widgets?
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Haha, personalization, what's that?
would enabling 2d hardware acceleration under developer options increase or decrease performance for our phones? if im not mistaken what it does it hands over the ui rendering and such to the gpu but with the s4 snapdragon is it necessary?
I have it enabled. Seems to have had a positive effect.
I thought ice cream sandwich already brought hardware acceleration?
Yes it does. but not all apps have it 2d hardware acceleration enabled by default. This option forces it. From my understanding all it takes is a single line of code to enable 2D acceleration but not all devs do it.
I believe it just forces it. Natively, ICS enables it if an app says it wants it enabled.
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If ICS brings HWACC why do apps still scroll like **** compared to IOS and WP7? Twitter, facebook, etc. All choppy.
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If ICS brings HWACC why do apps still scroll like **** compared to IOS and WP7? Twitter, facebook, etc. All choppy.
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I agree.... Its horrible compared to iOS and wp7.
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Also this seems to really improve performance within the mail, Gmail, and txt apps. Might just be me but they don't stutter like they used to.
Curious what it will do to battery life though....
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Yea I would like to see some more input on this as well. Interesting option and curious what it would do to the battery life.
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If ICS brings HWACC why do apps still scroll like **** compared to IOS and WP7? Twitter, facebook, etc. All choppy.
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My guess would be prioritizing threads. IOS (probably WP7 too) make UI a priority to the cpu when interacting with the device thus limiting ot stopping all together in some cases any other background activity or anything unrelated to UI just to focus on UI performance thus smoothness without any interruptions. Android added gpu acceleration which helps A LOT, but having other processes or any other task running (yay true multitasking...) There is no priority to UI, so if the cpu is taxed, scrolling will get affected
There was a huge post from a Google employee explaining this
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Will do testing on the battery. I dont think it will be much unless your doing alot of texting, tweeting, etc. Here is a good little video showing the difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKV39MPZw30
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My guess would be prioritizing threads. IOS (probably WP7 too) make UI a priority to the cpu when interacting with the device thus limiting ot stopping all together in some cases any other background activity or anything unrelated to UI just to focus on UI performance thus smoothness without any interruptions. Android added gpu acceleration which helps A LOT, but having other processes or any other task running (yay true multitasking...) There is no priority to UI, so if the cpu is taxed, scrolling will get affected
There was a huge post from a Google employee explaining this
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Actually that was a Google intern who was then proven wrong by an actual Google employee and admitted his mistake. He now works for Microsoft I do believe. People need to stop spreading this misinformation.
Relevant link. https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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If ICS brings HWACC why do apps still scroll like **** compared to IOS and WP7? Twitter, facebook, etc. All choppy.
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My One X (LTE) scrolls fine. As for iOS and WP7 both have there cons. Pro and cons to all.
I sometimes joke that for customization all I can do with my iPhone is change the wallpaper and add Folders of applications. I am enjoying all I can change/add without having to jailbreak/root.
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^I'm not starting an ios vs wp7 vs ics war....each has it's pros and cons, as you said. What I'd like to know, is now that android finally has gpu acceleration, why do apps scroll like ****?
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^I'm not starting an ios vs wp7 vs ics war....each has it's pros and cons, as you said. What I'd like to know, is now that android finally has gpu acceleration, why do apps scroll like ****?
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Which apps scroll like ****, and more important, what does **** scroll like?
But seriously... everything has been very slick and smooth on my end. I'd be interested in checking out whichever apps you're having trouble with and seeing if forcing hardware acceleration helps any.
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Actually that was a Google intern who was then proven wrong by an actual Google employee and admitted his mistake. He now works for Microsoft I do believe. People need to stop spreading this misinformation.
Relevant link. https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Thanks for not only correcting this, but also providing a source to back it up.
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Which apps scroll like ****, and more important, what does **** scroll like?
But seriously... everything has been very slick and smooth on my end. I'd be interested in checking out whichever apps you're having trouble with and seeing if forcing hardware acceleration helps any.
want to be disappointed? try playing a 720p video on the youtube desktop site
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mesasone said:
Which apps scroll like ****, and more important, what does **** scroll like?
But seriously... everything has been very slick and smooth on my end. I'd be interested in checking out whichever apps you're having trouble with and seeing if forcing hardware acceleration helps any.
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want to be disappointed? try playing a 720p video on the youtube desktop site
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Yikes. That's really disappointing. Takes all (well, most) of the fun out of Kate Upton's Cat Daddy
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has anyone figured out if there is any actual downsides to force gpu acceleration?
because i just checked and the phone is NOTICEABLY faster. i mean it was amazing to begin with and way smoother than any android experience i've ever had on my previous phones (G1, G2, Mytouch4gSlide), but this is ridiculous how fast and smooth it is now...
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^I'm not starting an ios vs wp7 vs ics war....each has it's pros and cons, as you said. What I'd like to know, is now that android finally has gpu acceleration, why do apps scroll like ****?
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I really have not had any issue with scrolling. Even before flashing an amazing ROM my device was not laggy. I wouldn't even use the device if it was that bad.
Some Android devices in the pass did have some lag. But not as bad as you make it sound. My last two Android devices have been great: The LTE Galaxy Nexus has been one of my favorite Android devices to date. The LTE HTC One X also has no lag for me. I would for sure return the device before you are not able to get a refund if you are not happy. Good luck with whatever you do.
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has anyone figured out if there is any actual downsides to force gpu acceleration?
because i just checked and the phone is NOTICEABLY faster. i mean it was amazing to begin with and way smoother than any android experience i've ever had on my previous phones (G1, G2, Mytouch4gSlide), but this is ridiculous how fast and smooth it is now...
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Exactly. I checked it because I wasn't happy with how the XDA app was scrolling before. Now it seems to be much better. Battery life also just seems to be improving every day, so there arent any downsides in my book.
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There are probably a few other threads like this, but I didn't really see any so I decided to start this one. Just to make it clear, these things are purely a wishlist, not rumors, and some of these things aren't even to be expected. Just purely for wishful thinking and conversation.
I'll start with the things that bother me most about Jelly Bean.
- Better Multi-Tasking & App Integration: If you're coming from iOS, then what we have is probably easy to live with, but its buggy. For instance, apps seem to get "confused" on what's really opened where. For instance, if I share a picture to Instagram from the gallery or Dropbox, and i go home afterwards, opening the respective app will bring me to Instagram, and opening Instagram will bring me somewhere completely different inside off Instagram. It's like Instagram is running twice. What Google needs to work on is actually having Android switch apps, instead of opening it inside of the other one.
- Rotation: I'm surprised I've never seen this posted anywhere else, but if you use an iOS device and you rotate it, the transition from portrait to landscape (or vice versa) is smooth. extremely smooth. don't give me wrong, Android rotates smoothly too, but the transition doesn't "connect" . Because what Android does is rotate the whole operating system (think of rotating a windows pc), whereas iOS rotates just the UI. The operating system itself doesn't seem to rotate. Ex: If you watched a YouTube video on an iOS device in landscape, when it's over or you go back, the landscape video just slides away with the app in portrait "behind" it. If you've seen it before you'd know what I mean. Android should do this also. Instead of rotating the whole OS, just have the UI rotate.
- Update Fragmentation: This issue will probably never be resolved, because google has almost no say so in what manufactures do with android, but 4.2 is out right? So why are 4.1 devices still shipping? Android has a nav bar now right? So why are devices still shipping with capacitive buttons and menu keys? This is why some devs haven't implemented the 3 dot overflow button in some apps I suppose. Also manufactures are abandoning devices that are still capable of running the latest versions of Android. For instance, the HTC Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) , HTC Desire HD (AT&T Inspire 4G) , and the Galaxy S 1 (which was basically a Nexus S) should've all been updated to AT LEAST 4.0. The updates for the S1 should have stopped when the Nexus S stopped receiving updates actually.
- Skins / OEM UI's - Another issue that will probably never be resolved. Skins were completely understandable up until 4.0 in terms of looks. Android is now a pretty good looking OS and doesn't need a skin. Also, if google were to implement most of the CM features, manufactures wouldn't even need to add features. (If it were up to me, all phones would come with CM, lol.) Also, why they choose to replace built in applications that are never updated is beyond me. If everyone kept the skinning to a minimum, we could have timely updates.
App Unification: I've seen this one so many times. Apps like Google Voice/Messenger/G Mail/ Etc. are all separate apps, but preform the same action, or somehow work together. Much like Google Earth, Maps, and Street View. Why not combine all of the similar apps, and save space and confusion.
Responsiveness / Smoothness: I'm gonna keep this one short, because Android gets better and better with each update, but it could be better. Swipe your finger across something like a webpage quickly and watch it follow behind your finger, whereas on other OS's the page will "stick" to your finger.
The "Back" Button: Something I'm sure we all get confused by at least twice a day. It's supposed to bring us to the previous screen until we get to the home screen, but at times, it'll take you places in apps you've never been, skips screens you've been too, etc. Basically, only half of the time it works at advertised.
Auto Brightness Calibration: Everyone's preferences for auto brightness is different, so why not be able to adjust how bright or dim you want it to be?
There are more things that I'd like to see in android, but at the moment this is all i can think about. Feel free to reply saying something you'd like to see in Android 4.3 / 5.
x2 battery performance > it's enough for me now
Some nice suggestions, but yeah Android needs a culture change where a phone continues to receive updates up until the updates surpass the phones capabilities. It sucks to see good phones left behind, I do understand the custom ROM argument but for everyone this isn't ideal
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Excellent background process contro that should not eat too much battery easily and touchscreen responsiveness this is the only thing i expect currently.
Everything sounds pretty good except the on screen keys. No thanks.
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I think the best way to solve the OEM issue is for samsung, htc, and other manufacturers to make apps which are independent of any framework so that it can be easily updated to the latest android because porting an app is easier than a whole framework
Increase the battery by 10
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They need to get rid of the slow and bloated java garbage in the core system apps. Google spouts about optimizing this and streamlining that to improve performance. They prelink the core libraries to further improve performance. And then they go and use a crappy, slow virtual machine language for most of the system.
Java is fine for apps in the app store for developers that dont know c/c++. It should not be used as extensively in the core of android as it is.
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They need to get rid of the slow and bloated java garbage in the core system apps. Google spouts about optimizing this and streamlining that to improve performance. They prelink the core libraries to further improve performance. And then they go and use a crappy, slow virtual machine language for most of the system.
Java is fine for apps in the app store for developers that dont know c/c++. It should not be used as extensively in the core of android as it is.
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You sound like you hate android lol
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I can't think of anything because I fail at imagination so ill just say things I want from skinned androids that should be added to stock.
1. Smart dialer. Pressing numbers should look up contacts like t9.
2. Battery percentage in status bar. I don't know if this is due to patents that aapl has but Samsung and lg get away with having it.
3. Able to remove home screens. I only use 4-5 and I want the ability to remove the rest like every oem skin.
4. Power saver. Battery life is very important and android needs a way to make it last longer.
5. Facebook contact sync. Not sure why this is not allowed on stock Android.
These are my top 5. As for something new I would like them to improve on giving apps permission. I think every app should ask you when you first start it if it can be allowed to use your gps and if it can be allowed to send push notifications. It's the only thing I like on ios and it'll help with a lot of notification spam.
Also, why does the new gmaps look better on ios than on android. That's not acceptable.
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My biggest problem is the update process of 3rd party android manufacturers. Android 4.2 has been out for a couple months yet my Galaxy SII was only recently updated to 4.1. I know it is more than capable of running 4.2 as I'm running aokp/cm10.1 right now so I'm wondering why? Even the SIII is still on 4.1 and if a couple of guys (aokp/cm10.1/paranoid android) could port within a month or two then why can't major companies who have hundreds of employees. Just look at what the paranoid android team has accomplished with P. A. 3.0 it's like a new version of android, all done within a few months. That said, I like to have the latest updates on my phone so with this being my first Android phone, I think I might bypass anything that isn't a nexus. Google or somebody needs to put their foot down
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Yeh. I definitely have to agree with the touchscreen's responsiveness. Aside from that, battery performance really needs to be optimized.
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I've never understood why everyone wants oem skins to go away. If that happened every phone would be the same so there would be no incentive for say Samsung or HTC to even make phones. The skins are what makes android. Why would I buy a nexus versus a HTC pure android phone?
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I think from now android should work on its AI and Virtual Memory to makes itself so smooth and powerful !
i saw a video clip that compare 2 powerful cellphone Galaxy S III and IPhone 5
in first look Galaxy S III has 4 core and IPhone has only 2 but IPhone is powerful enough to defeat its opponent !
Why ? there's one , only one reason to say the IPhone is too powerful and it's its OS !
IOS is very powerful than android !
if u don't satisfy just go and do a search about it !
i want android to work on it's AI !!
I realize this is stupid but...
With the androidx86 project (that I think is KILLER!!!) I'd like to see them either implement desktop support or do things that would entice more people to get involved. How bad ass would x86 running and then being able to use your phone as a second screen be? Or as remote access? And since they are both natively running (relatively speaking) it would be a real remote desktop as compared to jittery/almost remote desktop on a phone.
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Everything sounds pretty good except the on screen keys. No thanks.
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the thing about them though, is they're future proof in a way. look how the menu key is becoming obsolete, but it's still going to be on certain devices no matter what.
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My biggest problem is the update process of 3rd party android manufacturers. Android 4.2 has been out for a couple months yet my Galaxy SII was only recently updated to 4.1. I know it is more than capable of running 4.2 as I'm running aokp/cm10.1 right now so I'm wondering why? Even the SIII is still on 4.1 and if a couple of guys (aokp/cm10.1/paranoid android) could port within a month or two then why can't major companies who have hundreds of employees. Just look at what the paranoid android team has accomplished with P. A. 3.0 it's like a new version of android, all done within a few months. That said, I like to have the latest updates on my phone so with this being my first Android phone, I think I might bypass anything that isn't a nexus. Google or somebody needs to put their foot down
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imho, i think manufactures want to release their new flagship with the newest OS to attract customers (which is really doesn't) . our devs here shows what can be done. with a whole team like HTC/Samsung/Etc has, we should all see updates within a month or less. devs can do it on their own, so why can't they?
YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
I've never understood why everyone wants oem skins to go away. If that happened every phone would be the same so there would be no incentive for say Samsung or HTC to even make phones. The skins are what makes android. Why would I buy a nexus versus a HTC pure android phone?
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i like skins, don't get me wrong. i have a note ii, and i miss sense daily. they just over do it sometimes. i personally get very annoyed by touchwiz, and you have much more freedom on AOSP. i think apps should just be backward compatible all around.
You say the you would like to see the back button "fixed". I have never got why people always say this. For me anyway, the back button has always performed how I would expect (take me back to the previous screen). Don't get me wrong, android has plenty of flaws, but I don't think this is one of them.
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iJimaniac said:
You say the you would like to see the back button "fixed". I have never got why people always say this. For me anyway, the back button has always performed how I would expect (take me back to the previous screen). Don't get me wrong, android has plenty of flaws, but I don't think this is one of them.
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it works for the most part, but it glitches occasionally.
MadManMark said:
Some nice suggestions, but yeah Android needs a culture change where a phone continues to receive updates up until the updates surpass the phones capabilities. It sucks to see good phones left behind, I do understand the custom ROM argument but for everyone this isn't ideal
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One of the biggest reasons I only stick with Google backed Android devices (Nexus 4, Galaxy Nexus, etc.). It's the device manufacturers and the phone companies that hold up the updates. I've heard numbers where HTC can get the update out 3-4 months after Google releases it, but Verizon could add another 6 months to that timeline. Not quite sure what the exact reasons are for the delay =(
Considering some of the Google Now features, I'd love to see Google buy/license Tasker so that it becomes and integrated part of Android, at least for some key items:
WIFI, GPS, Ringer settings, Sync settings, etc. Those features would be amazing.
It would also be great if I could say: "Turn on WIFI/GPS/Autobrightness, Sync Calendar, Turn off ringer, etc" while in Google Now and have the action executed.