Just something for you Quadrant lovers to think about - myTouch 4G General
Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
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mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
5th March 2011 said:
As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance. If someone wanted to really inflate it lol they wouldn't have to do much other than allocate it on tfs or ram as they will get higher score on I/O and R/W which will inflate the score which is very easy to spot as its never consistent with regular.
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UsrBkp said:
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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first and foremost - personal attacks aren't needed, wanted, or warranted.
I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.
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I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.
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I know you weren't coming after me. But still in general. We are here to help one another and expand horizons. Not belittle each other.
UsrBkp said:
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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I personally don't use quadrant, but any time someone talks about performance they can either post quadrant/linpack results, or they can say "it's really fast." You can't call someone who posts quadrant results an idiot unless you call anyone who has ever commented on a phone's performance an idiot. We talk about this stuff all the time, no need to demean anyone unless you have the one-stop end all of performance gauges.
I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.
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I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
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Sorry for the typo
i guess that " n't " means alot. Sorry again.
Quadrant has become very popular with people to see where their phones stand performance wise, but at times I find it not to be the most accurate...Unlike Neocore or Linpack which I think are better ways to test GPU/CPU instead. The scoring system may need some work to make it balanced. Personally I think it needs work, earlier I tried Faux's Ginger rom and it scored about the same as the stock MT4G rom...This is clearly odd since the ginger is lighter and actually has a much much smoother experience and higher response times. Quadrant doesnt deal with real world usage. Feel free to disagree if you feel differently.
how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?
clarknick27 said:
how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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thanks Ill give it a shot
UsrBkp said:
From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App
epsix said:
Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App
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LOL I see people still recognize me. I mean hopefully "they" don't know you know who, as ill try to keep low profile for now. Only reason I came back was due to the recent interest in "fail-pu" which I was trying to shed some lights in here few months back and got myself you know what in CM7NB thread. Hopefully "they" don't go crazy and start issuing you know what as originally ordered by the 2 heads. I am sure MT4G community will suffer if they do it, I mean here I hacked the mmcblk and posted the info and risked my device to help others yet Mr New.Sheriff wanted to show himself as the big man. Oooh well ill help ya much as I can and look in to the Sensation section.
What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.
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What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.
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I don't think anyone in this thread said allocating it to tfs gives true reading. All the OP was doing was posting how one can easily hack the score. Its which we known ages ago but the point was when you make an standard everyone must follow it. So obviously if you allocate the whole ROM in RAM instead of NAND or SDCard the IOPs will always be higher.
If its software it can be altered simple as that and someone will always do so and try to pretend they have the legit score but for people like me we can easily tell what is real and what is fake. The legit max score verified by me was 3618 I think without any type of hack all I did was strip the rom and made it cleaner. Which you folks can get around 3200-3400 using AOSP with no problem. Now if you scoring 3800-4000 then well you know whats going on. I am not going to name folks but come on they aint fooling anyone.
neidlinger said:
Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
Code:
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.
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Off topic, but what font are you using in those screenies? And a link maybe?
UsrBkp said:
darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.
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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.
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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.
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lol and that kind of the reason is why we have Quadrant in first place. Its all about false sense of security as the owner of the device is just simply fooling themselves. Now I am not sure if you know as all chips are different which actually depends on each wafer. But in perfect world with same defect rate as 2 let say you and me both have same phone. You running ROM X1.0 and I am also running ROM X1.0 and with the same settings. Now if you score 100 and I score 105 thats discrepancy. For it to be truly applicable it has to yield the same result over and over. Now thinking it would yield different result is known as insanity unless your fan of quantum mechanics that is yet ironically do to that we have chips today lol.
Think of it as 2 Fords they both running in the same road same model and one of them goes ahead. They are still bound by the same hardware but do to other variables it yields different results. Now those variables are not always predefined and it can be altered without any hardware modifications. But for it to be standard it has to be same. Now if you also have a Ford but have 300mph v8 under the hood you just cheated and inflated the score.
I am not sure if what I am saying is making any sense to anyone but to think your MT4G is better than someone else's is just crazy lol good luck putting that on ebay/cl saying you scored +300points extra on quadrant than other owners see how that goes for ya IRL.
my 3800 quadrant phone sold for eleventy million dollars thank you very much (it came with a case).
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How to get a better quadrant score?
Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score?
itpromike said: Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score? Click to expand... Click to collapse The higher scores are coming from people running an EXT2 version of the lagfix. The differences in real world speed between the two really aren't noticeable- just looks pretty in quadrant =P
I think you are hung up on numbers rather then looking at real world performance...
And ext2 lacks any features to guarantee the safety of your data in the event of crash or power loss. And the loopback hacks probably cause both filesystems to cache data, and I don't think anybody has analyzed what this arrangement does for data safety. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I'm getting 2001 with SRE with the 1.2ghz patch and baked in lagfix.
Well what prompted me to inquire is the fact that live wallpapers are laggy for me... well I mean they play smooth and then chug for a second then play smooth again then chugs for a second... It's not completely smooth and fluid 100% of the time.
That may be a configuration issues on your end. Or perhaps a bad flash. Live wallpapers worked perfectly for me on my stock ROM.
There's also the possibility that it's the particular live wallpaper you're using... maybe it's poorly coded or otherwise busted. Now if the problem persists with all wallpapers uhhh maybe you've got something else installed that doesn't agree with the system
Benchmarks - Quadrant, Linpack, & Neocore
Here are my results for all three benchmarks right after I killed my Tasks Im running KC1 and using tegrak Overclock to 1.3 Post what yah got. btw, I noticed alot of other folks posting up multi-colored quandrant results. Is there another app that I should be using?
fknfocused said: Here are my results for all three benchmarks right after I killed my Tasks Im running KC1 and using tegrak Overclock to 1.3 Post what yah got. btw, I noticed alot of other folks posting up multi-colored quandrant results. Is there another app that I should be using? Click to expand... Click to collapse Quadrant Advanced provides the breakdown for each individual area (multi-colored). http://slideme.org/application/quadrant-advanced The thing about quadrant however, is it's not optimized or suited for the processor in our phones (Hummingbird). It was designed for snapdragon processors. Additionally, Quadrant is sub par in my opinion on benchmark test apps (even though it's well known) because it does operations that aren't typical. If you get advanced you'll see that it does like 60% all IO operations, however thats a really strange test because it would be like you running a full on database on your phone. So the scenarios and tests it runs are not representative of the scenarios you are going to use your phone to perform. I like SmartBench better because it gives you an index for Gaming and Productivity. Samsung Galaxy S 4G's will slightly outperform the snapdragon/adreno combo that you see in the MT4G etc. Very slight advantage. In regard to productivity it does well too.
Thanks for the info Joe, Im new to all of this and ran accross benchmarks so I tried it. It was something else to do while I await the almighty CWM. haha
fknfocused said: Thanks for the info Joe, Im new to all of this and ran accross benchmarks so I tried it. It was something else to do while I await the almighty CWM. haha Click to expand... Click to collapse No worries it was one of those things where I was bummed that my wife's MT4G was triple the score on my SGS4G so I investigated haha. Yep same here . It's real close from what I can tell.
Why are we using Quadrant?
I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas?
chiahead52 said: I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas? Click to expand... Click to collapse benchmarks in general arent particularly usefull imo
Quadrant will give low scores for the DC because it is RFS, not EXT4. It is a poor judgement of the DC speed and capability.
It's really only used to see if tweaks to the phone made any difference. By running quadrant, you would know that you were stock (900), on EXT4(1600) on GB (1200), and you could also see if overclocking made any changes. It's not really a guage of how fast the phone is, but it is useful to see the current state of the phone.
[Q] quadrant problem and revolver question
Little irked about this 10 post minimum crap so I can't post this in the forum that it applies to but whatever - Have a rooted Asus pad running revolver 2.1.3. Since day 1 I (preroot) have not been able to get quadrant to run properly. Cpu tests are skipped and I get a service call failed messahe when I try to submit and view my score. Wifi is active and working, have tried a fix permissions, data and cache wipe and still a no go. Anyone have any suggestions or encountered this before? Secondly I am getting a service not responding wait/fc error on startup from recovery. Cold boot doesn't produce the problem but the reboot after having been in cwm results in the hang. I try to restart and it locks up and eventually reboots itself. Any ideas on where to start with this? Thanks.
Quadrant means nothing..really no point of trying to get it to work if it doesn't. Your recovery problem I have no idea, all I can say is try reflashing CWM and see if that works. You can probably try going back to stock and then re-root/install CWM from scratch.
Hah hah hah, i get the the service call failed message too. After trying a few times, i said f--k this, and gave up. Why bother wasting time on some scores that mean nothing in real life, just enjoy the tablet!
Whether or not you guys find it useful has no bearing on this discussion. I find it useful to have something to base performance tweaks on. If there is another program out there that would accomplish this, I would love to know about it because I have always used quadrant for lack of knowing about anything else. I am looking for either a fix or another program to work with, not smartass comments. I'll try reflashing recovery and see if it clears up that issue. Thanks for the suggestion.
Smart bench 2011 is ok, gives productivity and gaming index, specialised for dual core devices. Quadrant is more useful or tailored for snapdragon devices I have heard. Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
Quadrant is a useless estimate in the performance of a device. Being able to get, for example, 1020 one time, and after a "tweak" getting 1030 means absolutely nothing. Best estimate in performance is your own opinion and real world use. If something feels snappy or more responsive, but still gives you the same quadrant score, then keep it - don't try to make the score higher. My droid 1 used to get a low quadrant score, but it felt snappy and fast so I didn't give a crap. Quadrant is like Windows Index Experience, it means nothing. My 6 core 3.3GHz cpu, 30GB SSD, and GTX 550 ti only gets a 5.3 on WIE, but it boots up in less than 30 seconds and runs everything I throw at it with flying colors.
rmmccann said: Whether or not you guys find it useful has no bearing on this discussion. I find it useful to have something to base performance tweaks on. If there is another program out there that would accomplish this, I would love to know about it because I have always used quadrant for lack of knowing about anything else. I am looking for either a fix or another program to work with, not smartass comments. I'll try reflashing recovery and see if it clears up that issue. Thanks for the suggestion. Click to expand... Click to collapse This is the reason for the 10 post minimum. This doesn't belong in development.
thebadfrog said: This is the reason for the 10 post minimum. This doesn't belong in development. Click to expand... Click to collapse I agree with part 1, however part 2 manifested after flashing Revolver. It has not resurfaced with his latest version so I will chalk it up as a bug. I grouped my questions together for simplicity rather than posting two new topics. Fair enough? Leerobson- thanks for the app suggestion.
Quadrant results with OrDroid 3.0.0
Hi all. Earlier today i flashed OrDroid 3.0.0 after migrating from the Excellent-But-Not-Sense-4 ARHD 6.6.3. I ran the new quadrant standard v2 and got 2903 (after a fresh reboot, new GL, Bricked v1), but i have no reference since they changed the scoring scale compared to quardrant 1.x versions. Can someone run a test? take a look: dl.dropbox.com/u/23910617/Screenshot_2012-04-23-14-58-00.png
Does it even matter? Quadrant does not reflect real world use at all.
On ARHD 6.6.3 i got 3346 with faux's kernel
I just got 2778 on 3.0.0.
Bickmista said: On ARHD 6.6.3 i got 3346 with faux's kernel Click to expand... Click to collapse that's a nice score... And ofcourse quadrant doesn't represent real life... Its a benchmarking tool used to compare different configs on the same (or different sometimes) systems... Sent from my Sensation using XDA
tomer1981 said: that's a nice score... And ofcourse quadrant doesn't represent real life... Its a benchmarking tool used to compare different configs on the same (or different sometimes) systems... Sent from my Sensation using XDA Click to expand... Click to collapse But if those numbers aren't realistic, what good are they?
I just got 3572 with Hypernonsense with bricked 3.0 kernel
Ordroid 3.0.0 with fauxs kernel @1.6 intellidemand gave me ~3700 Sent from my Sensation using xda premium
sshede said: But if those numbers aren't realistic, what good are they? Click to expand... Click to collapse It is being used as a tool for comparing the performance of 2 different ROMS, it therefore doesn't matter if its realistic or not. All that matters is it performs the exact same tests on each ROM - which it does, allowing for reliable comparison. Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA
fredcorp6 said: It is being used as a tool for comparing the performance of 2 different ROMS, it therefore doesn't matter if its realistic or not. All that matters is it performs the exact same tests on each ROM - which it does, allowing for reliable comparison. Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA Click to expand... Click to collapse Right, I get that, but if the numbers aren't realistic, they're useless. If I told you unrealistically that gas is gonna cause 50 USD a gallon within five months, you'd shrug it off because it is indeed not realistic, correct? Same concept here. better Quadrant score doesn't necessarily mean faster phone. For an example, my old G2 would get 1400 to 1700 on quadrant, and it was just as fast as my Sensation, which I would assume get around 3000 (don't care to test).
tomer1981 said: that's a nice score... And ofcourse quadrant doesn't represent real life... Its a benchmarking tool used to compare different configs on the same (or different sometimes) systems... Sent from my Sensation using XDA Click to expand... Click to collapse did u compare NenaMark fps? that shows real gaming performance. New GL 54.3 fps 1566 MHZ. OrDroid Old gl is way lower, also try performance new GL in browser with flash video's, can open HD and scroll page smoothly. quadrant may be low but GL with the newest flashed is really good
sshede said: Right, I get that, but if the numbers aren't realistic, they're useless. If I told you unrealistically that gas is gonna cause 50 USD a gallon within five months, you'd shrug it off because it is indeed not realistic, correct? Same concept here. better Quadrant score doesn't necessarily mean faster phone. For an example, my old G2 would get 1400 to 1700 on quadrant, and it was just as fast as my Sensation, which I would assume get around 3000 (don't care to test). Click to expand... Click to collapse as said here earlier - the results don't reflect any real parameter... every benchmarking tool is used to compare between different roms / configs / addons / etc... i think its useless to compare two different devices (especially if one's old like your G2 and the other's new like your sensation), but it is best for comparing two different roms on your sensation (for example), so that you'd get an idea as to which rom gets the most out of your hardware.
numbers doesnt matter to me, as long as the performance is solid and fast i am happy
tomer1981 said: but it is best for comparing two different roms on your sensation (for example), so that you'd get an idea as to which rom gets the most out of your hardware. Click to expand... Click to collapse How much of that extra squeezing yields benefit in terms of user experience? Pretty much none.
tomer1981 said: as said here earlier - the results don't reflect any real parameter... every benchmarking tool is used to compare between different roms / configs / addons / etc... i think its useless to compare two different devices (especially if one's old like your G2 and the other's new like your sensation), but it is best for comparing two different roms on your sensation (for example), so that you'd get an idea as to which rom gets the most out of your hardware. Click to expand... Click to collapse So they're useless? That's all I can gather from this.
sshede said: So they're useless? That's all I can gather from this. Click to expand... Click to collapse Well the benchmark result isn't useless is it... If you use your phone for gaming and want to know which ROM has better 3D rendering performance, you could use quadrant results from the 2 ROMS to decide this, therefore getting the most out of your device. Do you see what I'm saying? Not a very complicated concept... Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA
The differences seem minute. I've tried plenty of roms, and what's the difference? One extra frame a second? Two maybe?
sshede said: The differences seem minute. I've tried plenty of roms, and what's the difference? One extra frame a second? Two maybe? Click to expand... Click to collapse Unfortunately, they're all 98.9% the same (Yes, I got that reference out of my crappy brain!) I came to my conclusions due to: - Same bases/firmware (imo, seems to make the most significant difference) - Although some are different... The latest ones = same! (ex. 3.32 firmware came out, every cooked rom is now 3.32! Only the roms that stuck with 3.12 or an older base using sense 3.0/GB would likely cause more difference, for better or for worse!) - Kernels - This seems to be the only thing making a difference, therefore roms would be null - "tweaks" - Don't you love the "small tweaks added to speed up rom" changelogs? That's probably your half an extra frame per second there! so differences are very miniscule. If anything, as stated above.. probably like half an extra frame a second. Something our poor naked eye would barely notice. Don't forget, placebo screws everyone up pretty bad, so it's difficult to tell! Like others have stated, and I agree... quadrant really isn't useful. Sure it gives you some numbers, unless there is a HUGE gap in between.. I don't think it really matters. When that happens, I'm sure you'd notice the difference anyway! I myself have not found these numbers proving anything yet
Here is my Score on Quadrant and other Benchmarks KAwAtA said: Unfortunately, they're all 98.9% the same (Yes, I got that reference out of my crappy brain!) I came to my conclusions due to: - Same bases/firmware (imo, seems to make the most significant difference) - Although some are different... The latest ones = same! (ex. 3.32 firmware came out, every cooked rom is now 3.32! Only the roms that stuck with 3.12 or an older base using sense 3.0/GB would likely cause more difference, for better or for worse!) - Kernels - This seems to be the only thing making a difference, therefore roms would be null - "tweaks" - Don't you love the "small tweaks added to speed up rom" changelogs? That's probably your half an extra frame per second there! so differences are very miniscule. If anything, as stated above.. probably like half an extra frame a second. Something our poor naked eye would barely notice. Don't forget, placebo screws everyone up pretty bad, so it's difficult to tell! Like others have stated, and I agree... quadrant really isn't useful. Sure it gives you some numbers, unless there is a HUGE gap in between.. I don't think it really matters. When that happens, I'm sure you'd notice the difference anyway! I myself have not found these numbers proving anything yet Click to expand... Click to collapse I have made some minor changes in System Tuner. I have managed to get Around 4050 Quadrant Score (HTC Sensation 4G - Unlocked - OrDroid 3.0.2) 6774 Score in Antutu Benchmark I have attached the thumbnails for some other benchmarks too. I guess many others know how to do it. If you want just place a reply, I will post the procedure to do it.
inspirearun said: I have made some minor changes in System Tuner. I have managed to get Around 4050 Quadrant Score (HTC Sensation 4G - Unlocked - OrDroid 3.0.2) 6774 Score in Antutu Benchmark I have attached the thumbnails for some other benchmarks too. I guess many others know how to do it. If you want just place a reply, I will post the procedure to do it. Click to expand... Click to collapse Would love to know how to do this! please post a procedure!