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How to get a better quadrant score?

Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score?

itpromike said:
Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score?
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The higher scores are coming from people running an EXT2 version of the lagfix. The differences in real world speed between the two really aren't noticeable- just looks pretty in quadrant =P

I think you are hung up on numbers rather then looking at real world performance...

And ext2 lacks any features to guarantee the safety of your data in the event of crash or power loss. And the loopback hacks probably cause both filesystems to cache data, and I don't think anybody has analyzed what this arrangement does for data safety.
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I'm getting 2001 with SRE with the 1.2ghz patch and baked in lagfix.

Well what prompted me to inquire is the fact that live wallpapers are laggy for me... well I mean they play smooth and then chug for a second then play smooth again then chugs for a second... It's not completely smooth and fluid 100% of the time.

That may be a configuration issues on your end. Or perhaps a bad flash.
Live wallpapers worked perfectly for me on my stock ROM.

There's also the possibility that it's the particular live wallpaper you're using... maybe it's poorly coded or otherwise busted.
Now if the problem persists with all wallpapers uhhh maybe you've got something else installed that doesn't agree with the system

Quadrant score going down

I was running scores of over 2k each run.. running perfect storm 1.3v and bamf 4.3b kernel. I updated to 4.42. Delete the cache in setup CPU.. and auto set it to abt 1400+ now my phone is constantly running in he 1700 quadrant... Someone please help..
edit* sometimes when i run quadrant the cpu section won't even calculate and jumps directly to the second test... omg
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MisterDonut said:
I was running scores of over 2k each run.. running perfect storm 1.3v and bamf 4.3b kernel. I updated to 4.42. Delete the cache in setup CPU.. and auto set it to abt 1400+ now my phone is constantly running in he 1700 quadrant... Someone please help..
edit* sometimes when i run quadrant the cpu section won't even calculate and jumps directly to the second test... omg
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Why are you so concerned with what Quadrant says? Your last paragraph sounds as though you spend hours running Quadrant over and over lol. Just enjoy the phone!

this is my first android, so i'm seeing how every rom and every kernel can effect the the speed.. but now i'm running sub scores, and i feel like maybe this kernel isn't as good.. i tried flashing back to 4.3b.. but no luck, i feel like there is something wrong with the phone

When you are flashing are you doing a factory wipe, cache wipe and dalvik wipe. That may help. As for the 1700 that is what I am getting on a cleaned stock rooted rom. My phone is fast. Once you get into overclocking I feel it effects the life on the phone, but that is just my opinion.

Chalup said:
Why are you so concerned with what Quadrant says? Your last paragraph sounds as though you spend hours running Quadrant over and over lol. Just enjoy the phone!
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Thus has gotten misinterpreted on the web. Quadrant scores are meaningless between devices. One phone could get low scores but be optimized to run smooth and fast. While some other device could get high scores but be optimized poorly and run bad.
HOWEVER, scores do have meaning compared within the same phone model. A thunderbolt vs thunderbolt has meaning. It foes show the performance of how well the phone can do tasks like dcriol a list, crunch thru some JavaScript or HTML, or load a game.
I see everyone say benchmark test scores are meaningless, and that original statement meant "meaningless between different models", but not comparing within the same model.
A nexus one on gingerbread only gets 1000 on quadrant, and its slower and choppy scrolling lists. But the nexus one on froyo gets 1650 easily, and froyo was way smoother scrolling lists etc. The lower score shows its reduced performance ability to do various tasks, and it shows in actual use.

RogerPodacter said:
Thus has gotten misinterpreted on the web. Quadrant scores are meaningless between devices. One phone could get low scores but be optimized to run smooth and fast. While some other device could get high scores but be optimized poorly and run bad.
HOWEVER, scores do have meaning compared within the same phone model. A thunderbolt vs thunderbolt has meaning. It foes show the performance of how well the phone can do tasks like dcriol a list, crunch thru some JavaScript or HTML, or load a game.
I see everyone say benchmark test scores are meaningless, and that original statement meant "meaningless between different models", but not comparing within the same model.
A nexus one on gingerbread only gets 1000 on quadrant, and its slower and choppy scrolling lists. But the nexus one on froyo gets 1650 easily, and froyo was way smoother scrolling lists etc. The lower score shows its reduced performance ability to do various tasks, and it shows in actual use.
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very true but some kernels have various tweaks that can inflate quadrant scores...also on the droid x you could blow up quadrant by disabling stage fright. these phones are so fast it's hard to tell the difference. i've tested just about every kernel and overclocked all the way to 2.06 and the phone goes from really fast... to really really fast... to overheating and unstable lol
i use linpack and cpu benchmark to compare kernels and overclock/governor settings...pretty much gave up on quadrant

Quadrant means nothing... If you can run this piss out of your phone and not make it stall... Its fast enough.
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I wipe cache and devlic
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MisterDonut said:
I wipe cache and devlic
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That should be good. I agree that something about that kernel might be suspect.
If you're bored, try the kernel that I'm running. Option to overclock to 1.4 or 1.9 depending on which you select, Good battery life, and stable. 1.4 gets 23XX on quad and the 1.9 gets people 2700-3000. No cheating too.

Just something for you Quadrant lovers to think about

Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
Code:
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.

Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance. If someone wanted to really inflate it lol they wouldn't have to do much other than allocate it on tfs or ram as they will get higher score on I/O and R/W which will inflate the score which is very easy to spot as its never consistent with regular.
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UsrBkp said:
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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first and foremost - personal attacks aren't needed, wanted, or warranted.

I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.

UsrBkp said:
I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.
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I know you weren't coming after me. But still in general. We are here to help one another and expand horizons. Not belittle each other.

UsrBkp said:
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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I personally don't use quadrant, but any time someone talks about performance they can either post quadrant/linpack results, or they can say "it's really fast." You can't call someone who posts quadrant results an idiot unless you call anyone who has ever commented on a phone's performance an idiot. We talk about this stuff all the time, no need to demean anyone unless you have the one-stop end all of performance gauges.

I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.

UsrBkp said:
I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
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Sorry for the typo
i guess that " n't " means alot. Sorry again.

Quadrant has become very popular with people to see where their phones stand performance wise, but at times I find it not to be the most accurate...Unlike Neocore or Linpack which I think are better ways to test GPU/CPU instead. The scoring system may need some work to make it balanced. Personally I think it needs work, earlier I tried Faux's Ginger rom and it scored about the same as the stock MT4G rom...This is clearly odd since the ginger is lighter and actually has a much much smoother experience and higher response times. Quadrant doesnt deal with real world usage. Feel free to disagree if you feel differently.

how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?

clarknick27 said:
how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM

UsrBkp said:
From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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thanks Ill give it a shot

UsrBkp said:
From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
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epsix said:
Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
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LOL I see people still recognize me. I mean hopefully "they" don't know you know who, as ill try to keep low profile for now. Only reason I came back was due to the recent interest in "fail-pu" which I was trying to shed some lights in here few months back and got myself you know what in CM7NB thread. Hopefully "they" don't go crazy and start issuing you know what as originally ordered by the 2 heads. I am sure MT4G community will suffer if they do it, I mean here I hacked the mmcblk and posted the info and risked my device to help others yet Mr New.Sheriff wanted to show himself as the big man. Oooh well ill help ya much as I can and look in to the Sensation section.

What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.

sundayhustler said:
What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.
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I don't think anyone in this thread said allocating it to tfs gives true reading. All the OP was doing was posting how one can easily hack the score. Its which we known ages ago but the point was when you make an standard everyone must follow it. So obviously if you allocate the whole ROM in RAM instead of NAND or SDCard the IOPs will always be higher.
If its software it can be altered simple as that and someone will always do so and try to pretend they have the legit score but for people like me we can easily tell what is real and what is fake. The legit max score verified by me was 3618 I think without any type of hack all I did was strip the rom and made it cleaner. Which you folks can get around 3200-3400 using AOSP with no problem. Now if you scoring 3800-4000 then well you know whats going on. I am not going to name folks but come on they aint fooling anyone.

neidlinger said:
Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
Code:
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.
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Off topic, but what font are you using in those screenies? And a link maybe?

UsrBkp said:
darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.
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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.

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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.
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lol and that kind of the reason is why we have Quadrant in first place. Its all about false sense of security as the owner of the device is just simply fooling themselves. Now I am not sure if you know as all chips are different which actually depends on each wafer. But in perfect world with same defect rate as 2 let say you and me both have same phone. You running ROM X1.0 and I am also running ROM X1.0 and with the same settings. Now if you score 100 and I score 105 thats discrepancy. For it to be truly applicable it has to yield the same result over and over. Now thinking it would yield different result is known as insanity unless your fan of quantum mechanics that is yet ironically do to that we have chips today lol.
Think of it as 2 Fords they both running in the same road same model and one of them goes ahead. They are still bound by the same hardware but do to other variables it yields different results. Now those variables are not always predefined and it can be altered without any hardware modifications. But for it to be standard it has to be same. Now if you also have a Ford but have 300mph v8 under the hood you just cheated and inflated the score.
I am not sure if what I am saying is making any sense to anyone but to think your MT4G is better than someone else's is just crazy lol good luck putting that on ebay/cl saying you scored +300points extra on quadrant than other owners see how that goes for ya IRL.

my 3800 quadrant phone sold for eleventy million dollars thank you very much (it came with a case).

low quadrant score

Hi all, first time posting and sorry if this has been asked before. I am running cm7 nightly and have recently tried the quadrant benchmark and am getting some pretty low scores. I know these builds are not stable but even so the scores are low. getting mid 1600s and I have seen other around 2200. is this just because of the cm7 build? thanks.
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Install this kernel, overclock to 12-1300mhz and try again.

wow sweet! bumped to 1200 and ran a 2000 on quadrant. what's the most the captivate CPU can handle?
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Can't really say much for Quadrant, as I haven't run it in forever, but I run 1.5ghz stable 24/7 on cm7 w/ glitch. Runs buttery smooth through pretty much any app.
I've kinda been out of the loop in regards to the Captivate, but afaik max clock is 1.6.
I heard something about shao doing a 1.8 kernel, but again, idk how true it is or anything, and I'm lax in time, so I can't really research lol.

yea i see the option to run at 1.6 just didnt know if it was safe to do so. I bet 1.5 runs smooth. Thanks.

Quadrant is nothing of a benchmark, the hummingbird kernel isn't even read correctly. On the CM7 forum I've mentioned this before. Basing everything off a quadrant score is complete in the redundant theory, try using a real benchmark, suggestion.
Smartbench> quadrant
Sent from I'm sure glad Danger went under, else I'd still be on a Mr.Cartoon SK2.

As stated above. Don't put to much into scores. Judge by real world feel. I can show you a Rom that scores almost 3000 on quadrant but runs like crap. Trust your judgement. As for overclocking, it is device dependent. My cap couldn't handle anything over 1.3.
And yes all this has been stated before. A search would have saved you some time.
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Why are we using Quadrant?

I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas?

chiahead52 said:
I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas?
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benchmarks in general arent particularly usefull imo

Quadrant will give low scores for the DC because it is RFS, not EXT4. It is a poor judgement of the DC speed and capability.

It's really only used to see if tweaks to the phone made any difference. By running quadrant, you would know that you were stock (900), on EXT4(1600) on GB (1200), and you could also see if overclocking made any changes. It's not really a guage of how fast the phone is, but it is useful to see the current state of the phone.