I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas?
chiahead52 said:
I seem to read all the really smart people around here(developers, hackers and coders) all do not recommend using Quadrant as a good benchmark utility. I agree and I was thinking about using another as an alternative. What do you all think about using Antutu instead? Seems to be more thorough and accurate but I could be wrong. Ideas?
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benchmarks in general arent particularly usefull imo
Quadrant will give low scores for the DC because it is RFS, not EXT4. It is a poor judgement of the DC speed and capability.
It's really only used to see if tweaks to the phone made any difference. By running quadrant, you would know that you were stock (900), on EXT4(1600) on GB (1200), and you could also see if overclocking made any changes. It's not really a guage of how fast the phone is, but it is useful to see the current state of the phone.
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Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score?
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Ok I've just performed the Super Rooter Extreme guide and I'm currently getting around 1780 for a quadrant score.... while it's much better than the 900's I was wondering how I can make this thing even faster? Some folks are reporting a 2500+ quadrant on this phone and I'm wondering how to get closer to that score?
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The higher scores are coming from people running an EXT2 version of the lagfix. The differences in real world speed between the two really aren't noticeable- just looks pretty in quadrant =P
I think you are hung up on numbers rather then looking at real world performance...
And ext2 lacks any features to guarantee the safety of your data in the event of crash or power loss. And the loopback hacks probably cause both filesystems to cache data, and I don't think anybody has analyzed what this arrangement does for data safety.
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I'm getting 2001 with SRE with the 1.2ghz patch and baked in lagfix.
Well what prompted me to inquire is the fact that live wallpapers are laggy for me... well I mean they play smooth and then chug for a second then play smooth again then chugs for a second... It's not completely smooth and fluid 100% of the time.
That may be a configuration issues on your end. Or perhaps a bad flash.
Live wallpapers worked perfectly for me on my stock ROM.
There's also the possibility that it's the particular live wallpaper you're using... maybe it's poorly coded or otherwise busted.
Now if the problem persists with all wallpapers uhhh maybe you've got something else installed that doesn't agree with the system
Here are my results for all three benchmarks right after I killed my Tasks
Im running KC1 and using tegrak Overclock to 1.3
Post what yah got.
btw, I noticed alot of other folks posting up multi-colored quandrant results. Is there another app that I should be using?
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Here are my results for all three benchmarks right after I killed my Tasks
Im running KC1 and using tegrak Overclock to 1.3
Post what yah got.
btw, I noticed alot of other folks posting up multi-colored quandrant results. Is there another app that I should be using?
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Quadrant Advanced provides the breakdown for each individual area (multi-colored).
http://slideme.org/application/quadrant-advanced
The thing about quadrant however, is it's not optimized or suited for the processor in our phones (Hummingbird). It was designed for snapdragon processors.
Additionally, Quadrant is sub par in my opinion on benchmark test apps (even though it's well known) because it does operations that aren't typical. If you get advanced you'll see that it does like 60% all IO operations, however thats a really strange test because it would be like you running a full on database on your phone.
So the scenarios and tests it runs are not representative of the scenarios you are going to use your phone to perform.
I like SmartBench better because it gives you an index for Gaming and Productivity.
Samsung Galaxy S 4G's will slightly outperform the snapdragon/adreno combo that you see in the MT4G etc. Very slight advantage. In regard to productivity it does well too.
Thanks for the info Joe, Im new to all of this and ran accross benchmarks so I tried it. It was something else to do while I await the almighty CWM. haha
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Thanks for the info Joe, Im new to all of this and ran accross benchmarks so I tried it. It was something else to do while I await the almighty CWM. haha
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No worries it was one of those things where I was bummed that my wife's MT4G was triple the score on my SGS4G so I investigated haha.
Yep same here . It's real close from what I can tell.
Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
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mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance. If someone wanted to really inflate it lol they wouldn't have to do much other than allocate it on tfs or ram as they will get higher score on I/O and R/W which will inflate the score which is very easy to spot as its never consistent with regular.
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UsrBkp said:
Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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first and foremost - personal attacks aren't needed, wanted, or warranted.
I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.
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I am sorry if you thought I personally attacked you but I assure you that was not the case. As I was speaking more in general, but what I said still stands.
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I know you weren't coming after me. But still in general. We are here to help one another and expand horizons. Not belittle each other.
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Why do people always cry about Quadrant? those lil silly numbers means nothing I love how all the idiots who review the roms and make videos always do it and gives general public this idea that its real.
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I personally don't use quadrant, but any time someone talks about performance they can either post quadrant/linpack results, or they can say "it's really fast." You can't call someone who posts quadrant results an idiot unless you call anyone who has ever commented on a phone's performance an idiot. We talk about this stuff all the time, no need to demean anyone unless you have the one-stop end all of performance gauges.
I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.
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I love it when people talk and talk and talk but they never listen. As once again the message was lost, which still exist on the original message. I don't know where he got the idea I was attacking him as that maybe some type of paranoia or delusion.
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Sorry for the typo
i guess that " n't " means alot. Sorry again.
Quadrant has become very popular with people to see where their phones stand performance wise, but at times I find it not to be the most accurate...Unlike Neocore or Linpack which I think are better ways to test GPU/CPU instead. The scoring system may need some work to make it balanced. Personally I think it needs work, earlier I tried Faux's Ginger rom and it scored about the same as the stock MT4G rom...This is clearly odd since the ginger is lighter and actually has a much much smoother experience and higher response times. Quadrant doesnt deal with real world usage. Feel free to disagree if you feel differently.
how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?
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how about smartbench, is that any better than quadrant?
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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thanks Ill give it a shot
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From what I seen Quadrant favors Snapdragon while Smartbench favors Hummingbird. But try GLBenchmark thats what we mostly use as its more comprehensive.
"As I said before as syntactic benchmark means nothing as it does not translate in to real world performance." - HKM
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Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
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Hahahaha, where have you been? Thought you retire drop by Sensation section help me out with the SamSux troll over there
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LOL I see people still recognize me. I mean hopefully "they" don't know you know who, as ill try to keep low profile for now. Only reason I came back was due to the recent interest in "fail-pu" which I was trying to shed some lights in here few months back and got myself you know what in CM7NB thread. Hopefully "they" don't go crazy and start issuing you know what as originally ordered by the 2 heads. I am sure MT4G community will suffer if they do it, I mean here I hacked the mmcblk and posted the info and risked my device to help others yet Mr New.Sheriff wanted to show himself as the big man. Oooh well ill help ya much as I can and look in to the Sensation section.
What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.
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What makes you think that mounting the application in RAM (thus minimizing I/O interactions) gives you a "true reading"? It's not like all your applications are stored in RAM. They access the file system also. So the speed of your phone's filesystem obviously affects the overall speed of the phone and should be included in a good benchmark. Unless you're only interested in comparing CPU/GPU speeds.
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I don't think anyone in this thread said allocating it to tfs gives true reading. All the OP was doing was posting how one can easily hack the score. Its which we known ages ago but the point was when you make an standard everyone must follow it. So obviously if you allocate the whole ROM in RAM instead of NAND or SDCard the IOPs will always be higher.
If its software it can be altered simple as that and someone will always do so and try to pretend they have the legit score but for people like me we can easily tell what is real and what is fake. The legit max score verified by me was 3618 I think without any type of hack all I did was strip the rom and made it cleaner. Which you folks can get around 3200-3400 using AOSP with no problem. Now if you scoring 3800-4000 then well you know whats going on. I am not going to name folks but come on they aint fooling anyone.
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Found and interesting article and i thought i'd throw it out there. Basically when it comes to quadrants you will have two very polarizing point of views. You will have those that LOVE the program and they must test everything. And those that swear never to use it. But i found an interesting command line from the CMD prompt.
Code:
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
Long story short it mounts the Quadrant Standard application on the RAM of the phone so you can get a true reading. Since the I/O is what bottle necks everything
I ran three test with the QS after three test i got a high of 2528, and a low of 1918. 610 point difference. Not to shabby for running CM7N75 O/C'd to 1516 with a performance governor
Then i mounted QS on the RAM of the phone and ran three test. The highest being 2997 and the lowest being 2785. 212 point difference.
just throwing out some food for thought.
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Off topic, but what font are you using in those screenies? And a link maybe?
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darinmc that will never happen due to the different hardware archstructure. Even when device is using ARMv7 the instruction set is interpreted differently from manufacture to manufacture. Great example is Snapdragon vs Hummingbird where NEON is utilized to improve the IOPs. If its allocated on top of davlik it can be cheated its simple as that.
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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.
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That was pretty much my point, that an end-all doesn't exist. I'm no android pro, just think that if nothing can define performance then everything is game. It's all subjective anyway. My phone, for instance, is really really really fast. Yours is probably just really fast. Mine is 2 really's faster. It's how I roll.
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lol and that kind of the reason is why we have Quadrant in first place. Its all about false sense of security as the owner of the device is just simply fooling themselves. Now I am not sure if you know as all chips are different which actually depends on each wafer. But in perfect world with same defect rate as 2 let say you and me both have same phone. You running ROM X1.0 and I am also running ROM X1.0 and with the same settings. Now if you score 100 and I score 105 thats discrepancy. For it to be truly applicable it has to yield the same result over and over. Now thinking it would yield different result is known as insanity unless your fan of quantum mechanics that is yet ironically do to that we have chips today lol.
Think of it as 2 Fords they both running in the same road same model and one of them goes ahead. They are still bound by the same hardware but do to other variables it yields different results. Now those variables are not always predefined and it can be altered without any hardware modifications. But for it to be standard it has to be same. Now if you also have a Ford but have 300mph v8 under the hood you just cheated and inflated the score.
I am not sure if what I am saying is making any sense to anyone but to think your MT4G is better than someone else's is just crazy lol good luck putting that on ebay/cl saying you scored +300points extra on quadrant than other owners see how that goes for ya IRL.
my 3800 quadrant phone sold for eleventy million dollars thank you very much (it came with a case).
Howdy folks. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thinking about overclocking but have not done it. What are the benefits / rewards?
Is there an app or program i can to do this?
And what is a safe range?
Thanks in advance!
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Benefits : Faster phone, smoother ui
Cons: Phone may heat up if overclock is set too high
For this phone 1500 is the highest, safest number we can get to right now. I would suggest setCPU, which you can find on XDA for free. (search setCPU)
You'll need a new kernel first, the stock one doesn't support oc. Go with Faux's assuming you're running a rom compatible with it (and most are).
After that, download Pimp My CPU from the market and you're good to go.
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To be honest with you, I notice hardly, if any, real-world phone speed increase when I overclock...barring benchmark numbers. I'm not really sure why that's the case for me, and why for some others it's such an extremely obvious difference (or so they claim). Perhaps I'm not running the same cpu intensive apps that they run. But for general, day to day, running of my phone, it's just not worth it for me due to the battery cost.
So I would love to hear from some of you where "precisely" do you see such a marked improvement on the speed of your phone?
Well, first off, make sure you have a custom Recovery installed... Then find a ROM you'd like, and then, flash a custom OC Kernel..
You'll need an app such as SetCPU to control the overclock.
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To be honest with you, I notice hardly, if any, real-world phone speed increase when I overclock...barring benchmark numbers. I'm not really sure why that's the case for me, and why for some others it's such an extremely obvious difference (or so they claim). Perhaps I'm not running the same cpu intensive apps that they run. But for general, day to day, running of my phone, it's just not worth it for me due to the battery cost.
So I would love to hear from some of you where "precisely" do you see such a marked improvement on the speed of your phone?
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Are you using the stock launcher? It's alot smoother with the stock launcher if OCed to 1500, although i don't notice a difference from 800 to 1500 on launcher pro.
This is on rooted, 3.18 hboot, s-off. Just wondering if this is pretty good. Seems to me it is.
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Benchmarks don't mean squat.
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I think, for our device, anything between 6000 and 6500 in quadrant means things are running well.
But I have gotten quadrant scores from 4800-7000 on my phone while noticing very little difference in overall behavior of the phone. Also (not really applicable in this case), tweaks can be used to spoof abnormally high scores...basically cheating. That's why people don't believe in benchmarks.
I think antutu has a bit more street cred than quadrant, if that matters..
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Benchmarking does not relate to a real user experience using real software in real life applications.. If anything it gives you an idea of what your hardware can do.
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