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"Google latitude" :firmware update soon?

latitude, the new google services to know where your frineds are say we will have a new update soon that will include maps v3.0.
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=136640
"- Android-powered devices with Maps v3.0 and above. G1 users in the US will be receiving Maps v3.0 in a system update soon. "
is the RC33 include maps 3.0, or they are talking about "CUPCAKE" ??

personally i think that rc33 was sent because of the option to check for updates manually. that leads to the conclusion that google is the one responsible for the updates. which leads to the conclusion that there might be a HUGE update comming soon. i would say a month or two.... is it going to be the cupcake? i dont know but i think its going to be a major one

One of the mods on the official tmob forum posted some screen shots of Latitude in RC33.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&message.id=31086

wimbet said:
One of the mods on the official tmob forum posted some screen shots of Latitude in RC33.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&message.id=31086
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yeah that post is gone.

TimSykes said:
yeah that post is gone.
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The thread got merged with another but I found it. Towards the bottom...
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/boa...thread.id=31078&view=by_date_ascending&page=5

just seen this on drudgereport
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...zmos/main4774320.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories

TimSykes said:
yeah that post is gone.
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RC33 - Firmware ver. 1.1

I don't think this feature is going to help battery life.

i don't think any feature will ever increase battery life =/
not that it really matters. extended battery's are a godsend.

Whats the difference between this and loopt?

samysam05 said:
Whats the difference between this and loopt?
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AFAIK, nothing. the plus is that, eventually, any phone with gps and google maps can use it (computers get in on the action too).

This uses cell-ID which is a general vicinity obtained from ur cell tower's signal. Most of the time, unless you explicitly turn it off, it's on by default. This does not drain much of your batter and is definitely much less than using the actual GPS chip.

ArronL said:
This uses cell-ID which is a general vicinity obtained from ur cell tower's signal. Most of the time, unless you explicitly turn it off, it's on by default. This does not drain much of your batter and is definitely much less than using the actual GPS chip.
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besides that everything else is pretty much the same.... ok.

the advantace that this will have over loopt is that google will be rolling it out to a lot more phone platforms than Loopt is currently on.

makes me think about "big brother is watching" when i read about this app.... i won't be getting it....

MontAlbert said:
makes me think about "big brother is watching" when i read about this app.... i won't be getting it....
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Haha you won't be getting it? Looks like big brother is gonna bend you over & force you to get it! From what I've read, its gonna be part of google maps, correct? You have no choice. When you update to RC33 or whichever update it comes with, your gonna have it next time you open your maps app

jojo_angelov said:
personally i think that rc33 was sent because of the option to check for updates manually. that leads to the conclusion that google is the one responsible for the updates. which leads to the conclusion that there might be a HUGE update comming soon. i would say a month or two.... is it going to be the cupcake? i dont know but i think its going to be a major one
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I wanna believe that this is more than just a tiny taste from google. Part of me thinks that this update is as much about "fixing bugs" as it is building some behind the scenes framework for cupcake.
To me this make sense, upgrade some code now and get everything in place, such as the manually check for updates, to reduce the size of the next install...
I would love to belive that this is true...and part of me thinks we could see it soon.
Mobile World Congress starts on Feb 16th-19th, Google, T-mobile, HTC are all scheduled th be there...could be a coincidence, could not be. Just like the fact that RC33 will be rolled out between Feb 5th and 15th...so everyone should have it by the time MWC rolls around. Again...likely? No. Could it happen? Yes.

MontAlbert said:
makes me think about "big brother is watching" when i read about this app.... i won't be getting it....
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Big brother already can, has been, and unless we enact legislation to limit their power, will be watching!
Having one less app on your phone won't prevent them from tapping in to the carriers networks and yoinking your approximate positioning info (with CDMA triangulation its almost as good as standalone GPS; TDMA/GSM its within 50 meters or so--and yes, WCDMA/3G falls under CDMA..In fact, CDMA relies on GPS and GPS is code-division with spreading and walsh codes and everything...read into it, its interesting stuff)
I say screw it, let me see where my friends are; Big Brother will ALWAYS know where YOU are, unless you pull the battery.

yeah after 9/11 there was legislation that passed that every Cell phone sold in the US needs to have a GPS type of system in it. I think thats were A-GPS came around. But I could be wrong.

mystica555 said:
CDMA relies on GPS and GPS is code-division with spreading and walsh codes and everything.
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CDMA = Code Division Multiple Access
GPS = Global Positioning System
CDMA doesn't use GPS at all
The other way round, it would kinda make sense as GPS uses orthogonal codes (but who doesn't these days...)
TimSykes said:
yeah after 9/11 there was legislation that passed that every Cell phone sold in the US needs to have a GPS type of system in it. I think thats were A-GPS came around. But I could be wrong
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And indeed... you are. Don't belive the stuff they tell you on 24

[Q] T-Mobile snooping on my Galaxy S 4g ??????

Im not sure if this has been discussed before as I did search but cant find anything.
Today I called T-Mobile for the first time to complaint that my MMS is not working (known problem for samsung galaxy s 4g) and asking them when is the update available to fix this issue, and My SMS is in and out as well ?
I didnt tell him what program I have/downloaded on the phone since he didnt ask.
I get transfered straight to higher (level 2) technical support. He said dont touch the phone while he was checking something and the phone will reboot. The phone did reboot and the SMS get fixed.
This is what Alarmed me so much.
The tech support ( I wont publish his name here) know exactly what software I have on the phone (downloaded from the market), what is currently running, he also know I have advance task manager among other thing.
He even knew my Gmail address I use on the phone and google market account.
How is this possible ?
Is there anyway I can block this because I dont like when T-mobile snooping on my phone. If they can see the apps I downloaded on my phone and know my gmail address, know what apps currently running, Can they also access my email through my phone ?

Honestly never heard of that. Thats wild!
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Logmein app ? That's the only thing I can suspect

VICosPhi said:
Logmein app ? That's the only thing I can suspect
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I dont have that app on my phone

dude there are 30 plus million subscribers in t-mobile. unless your a celebrity or a son of bill gates or something they wont waste their time nosing on what you install or who you talk to everyday. anyway that less of your problems if you stress about that, they got your full name and ssn in file and a credit card number. if thay wanted to mess you up thats what they will go for.

I wouldn't sweat it too much, it's just like any computer service company that can push updates to your computer.. All they did was push an update and had your phone reboot.. Now if you had some terrorist shizah on there, then I'd be worried, but other than that, they've probably already forgotten about you!

maktucali said:
dude there are 30 plus million subscribers in t-mobile. unless your a celebrity or a son of bill gates or something they wont waste their time nosing on what you install or who you talk to everyday. anyway that less of your problems if you stress about that, they got your full name and ssn in file and a credit card number. if thay wanted to mess you up thats what they will go for.
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Dude
last time i see this is still USA where privacy matter whether you are celebrity or not.
You wouldnt enter someone else house without asking for permission wont you (unless if you want to get arrested ) ?
The guy didnt ask for permission and I never give my approval for Tmobile to snoop into my phone.
Like I said it suprise me for the tech support to mention the apps I downloaded , running in the background and my gmail account associated to my phone and market account.
Those action has nothing to do with fixing my SMS connection ???

It doesn't surprise me at all. The OTA capabilities are there in a lot of devices, including your DSL or cable modem. Google owns everything you do on your Android phone, including your location even when you're not doing anything. Unfortunately, the Facebook mentality about privacy is winning.
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nothing here

r3tro8888 said:
I dont have that app on my phone
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Unless you removed it, yes, you do.
I was surprised to see it on my phone as well since I hadn't installed it.. talk about bloat... why would the phone come stock with this?

They've been doing this for years, it's nothing new at all.. Notice how you call and they automatically know what kind of phone you have? Same premise. I've called multiple times with phones that were unlocked from other networks also, they could see the phone, and never cared. Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.

Yea they said let me check it to look up what phone u have and what faqs and problems. Dont be alarmed
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heartspains88 said:
They've been doing this for years, it's nothing new at all.. Notice how you call and they automatically know what kind of phone you have? Same premise. I've called multiple times with phones that were unlocked from other networks also, they could see the phone, and never cared. Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.
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No matter what phone you have, T-Mobile (and I'd assume AT&T) can find out what phone you are using, even if it's not a T-Mobile branded phone.
I wouldn't worry, they aren't gonna do some stupid **** with that, they just did that to repair your phone. I honestly doubt they'd risk losing a customer over a little thing like that.
Google is the one you should be worried about. They know where your phone is, exactly to the millimeter (I don't think that really works with the Vibrant though. xD).

u called to get your phone fixed didnt you? and they did just that didnt they? if you are so worried about your privacy i got a old motorola razr sitting in my closet, ill gladly trade your sgs4

Google is the devil, and will take over the planet, and join steve jobs. Put on your tin foil hats!

To further this, its done through rescue me. It is built into the kernel. On the Vibrant froyo leaks i have leaked out it is there also. We just remove the Rescue Me app.
I can remove the drivers and credentials from the kernel if people are that concerned about it. I wouldnt be though.
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A sysctl to enable/disable would be my personal choice, but I have yet to build custom kernels for Android (though have for FreeBSD and OpenWRT) so I don't know how feasible that is with the source access we have.
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r3tro8888 said:
Dude
last time i see this is still USA where privacy matter whether you are celebrity or not.
You wouldnt enter someone else house without asking for permission wont you (unless if you want to get arrested ) ?
The guy didnt ask for permission and I never give my approval for Tmobile to snoop into my phone.
Like I said it suprise me for the tech support to mention the apps I downloaded , running in the background and my gmail account associated to my phone and market account.
Those action has nothing to do with fixing my SMS connection ???
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I'm a computer repair tech. One of the first questions I'm going to ask is have you installed any new hardware or software? Most of the time I've found out software was the root problem of the issue. Not always, just Most of the time. So, it doesn't supprise me that he can see what is installed on your phone. It gives him a idea of what the problem can be. I would be more concerned what NSA or space aliens are doing with your phone.

heartspains88 said:
Take off your tinfoil hat, there's nothing to worry about.
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heartspains88 said:
Put on your tin foil hats!
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nwpro3 said:
I'm a computer repair tech. I would be more concerned what space aliens are doing with your phone.
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Pass that roll of tin foil will you fellas ?
I like mine shaped like a tricorne .

jeffsf said:
A sysctl to enable/disable would be my personal choice, but I have yet to build custom kernels for Android (though have for FreeBSD and OpenWRT) so I don't know how feasible that is with the source access we have.
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Its not in the source. Its in the initramfs. There are also binaries in /system/bin
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Skype 2 video available

The latest Skype update for Android is available to everyone, but it only enables video chat on four specific handsets. Fortunately, impatient modders have gone some way to correcting this profound injustice, by creating APKs that activate video calling on other handsets too. So far we've heard of successful ports on the Samsung Galaxy S II and the HTC Sensation, Thunderbolt and EVO 4G. If you've got some other handset with Android 2.3, a little experimentation with the APK might also be worth your while. However, we just tried it on an Xperia Arc and didn't get very far: the app ran, but efforts to communicate with an Xperia Neo resulted in one-way video, a locked landscape mode and plenty of awkwardness. Let us know if you fare better -- you'll find a Thunderbolt-specific download at the DroidLife source link, and a more general APK at TechPetals.
http://blogs.skype.com/en/2011/06/smile_skype_for_android_with_v.html
Figured I would drop this in here if anyone has some know how and wants to look into it to see if there is anyway for us to have this on our phone. Doubt it though considering it requires 2.3 which seems to be the standard for google video chat and stuff, but hey, its worth a shot!!!
Found some more info. Tested and still didn't work but apparently on our device but confirmed on the SGS2. Here is the link for the guy who got it working.
http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/4849-Skype-with-Video-Support-for-Various-Devices...?p=42265#post42265
Im not familiar with knowing the ins and outs of editing an apk but this might be a start for someone who does

Probably requires GB.... I would think

yep. the official requires gb and in the list of device check. with device check removed, almost all with gingerbread can use it.

man, so much we can't do without gb. This phone should have launched with it.

skillz9669 said:
man, so much we can't do without gb. This phone should have launched with it.
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I know. WTF on that?

the only true gripe I have with android is its similarity with linux, fragmented operating system. I mean we buy these $500+ phones and a week later I find some inferior phone doing more than we are, it blows my mind sometimes!!!

skillz9669 said:
the only true gripe I have with android is its similarity with linux, fragmented operating system. I mean we buy these $500+ phones and a week later I find some inferior phone doing more than we are, it blows my mind sometimes!!!
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Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL

bella92108 said:
Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL
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I work for AT&T and I can tell you that we (the pions in the store) think its crap too. The lockdowns, the non-market app bs, etc. I do hope google puts its BIG foot down one day and steps up to plate on this issue.

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I work for AT&T and I can tell you that we (the pions in the store) think its crap too. The lockdowns, the non-market app bs, etc. I do hope google puts its BIG foot down one day and steps up to plate on this issue.
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I think it'll come and come soon. Now that android is becoming the mainstream people will catch on and support the carrier who is on top of it

bella92108 said:
I think it'll come and come soon. Now that android is becoming the mainstream people will catch on and support the carrier who is on top of it
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hey, this is gonna sound like a really dumb question and way off topic but can you tell me how your notified when someone posts. I have always been one to read through forums daily but have never gotten too good at participating, as you might tell as I have been a member for 3 years and have very little posts. I personally have to try and remember the threads I participated in and see if someone replied. This seems very redundant but I don't see a better way to be notified. Thanks in advance

Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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cmjkxa said:
Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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I personally have seen no change since installing it, as for the wifi thing are you rooted and running any rom of sort of just stock? I have seen some wifi issues with the roms. Don't know if maybe the app sparked the problem or what but maybe you can backup your apps and reinstall. Good luck

bella92108 said:
Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL
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The only true advantage that Apple has over Android is that they only more or less support one device. Android is spread amongst how many different devices? It's easy to put out lackluster updates to a single device, but putting out updates to 20+ different devices isn't so easy.

how are you guys even getting it to install? is it actually working?

yes please, can any one confirm that the video call on Skype is working on the infuse?
regards

no it is not working. installing the custom apk does give you the video call option, but if you press it, it goes into landscape to prepare for video call and then it does nothing. gingerbread is needed since it uses the frontfacing camera api.

cmjkxa said:
Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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Yes, my phone's battery started draining in about two hours after installing Skype, so I uninstalled and things are better again now.
Even if Skype supports video on the Infuse, I don't think I will start using it unless they address the battery usage.

skillz9669 said:
hey, this is gonna sound like a really dumb question and way off topic but can you tell me how your notified when someone posts. I have always been one to read through forums daily but have never gotten too good at participating, as you might tell as I have been a member for 3 years and have very little posts. I personally have to try and remember the threads I participated in and see if someone replied. This seems very redundant but I don't see a better way to be notified. Thanks in advance
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Click "Thread Tools" at the top of the thread. Choose subscribe thread. Choose your poison.
That should set you up so you get notified.

Snehanshu said:
Yes, my phone's battery started draining in about two hours after installing Skype, so I uninstalled and things are better again now.
Even if Skype supports video on the Infuse, I don't think I will start using it unless they address the battery usage.
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Have you tried Stop Skype from Market?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153285
apparently theres been some success with modding skype for froyo. anybody want to try out some of these builds?

Do cusotm roms have Carrier IQ installed?

Hi, I just installed Airflip's KJ6 AOSP Style "OFFICIAL" Rom. Does anyone know if this Rom has Carrier IQ installed? I ran Eckhart's Logging TestApp, but to be honest, I found the app difficult to use. Had no clue how to read the results.

It most likely does. I don't think thàt ciq was taken into consideration when he released that rom.

It amazes me how much this has gotten out of hand. People what updates and their phone to work properly no matter what they do but don't want the device to store the needed data. Not to mention this is nothing compared to the law that was just passed that forces all US carriers to install a chip for the US government to use to send you amber alerts and terrorist attacks. With no way to remove it or opt out. Oh and did I mention that said chip that is being developed for it has GPS and voice recording options. So if everyone is willing to allow this to happen Carrier IQ is the least of your worries

zelendel said:
It amazes me how much this has gotten out of hand. People what updates and their phone to work properly no matter what they do but don't want the device to store the needed data. Not to mention this is nothing compared to the law that was just passed that forces all US carriers to install a chip for the US government to use to send you amber alerts and terrorist attacks. With no way to remove it or opt out. Oh and did I mention that said chip that is being developed for it has GPS and voice recording options. So if everyone is willing to allow this to happen Carrier IQ is the least of your worries
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actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.

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actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.
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Yeah no not the alerts yet. The code has just been starting to get implamented as there are those trying to fight it. I know of at least 100 people that will no longer by US based phones because of this chip once it is set to be installed. Right now they are doing it the way it should be done by carrier message. Ill track down the chips specs once I get to a PC. Maybe it will help later on when we try to disable it which we know will happen of course lol

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Yeah no not the alerts yet. The code has just been starting to get implamented as there are those trying to fight it. I know of at least 100 people that will no longer by US based phones because of this chip once it is set to be installed. Right now they are doing it the way it should be done by carrier message. Ill track down the chips specs once I get to a PC. Maybe it will help later on when we try to disable it which we know will happen of course lol
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awesome, would love to see that.

krylon360 said:
actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.
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Think you can help the devs here remove the government alert and the CIQ framework from their ROMs?

Caligula36 said:
Think you can help the devs here remove the government alert and the CIQ framework from their ROMs?
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http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11025-romgalaxy-s-4g-236-ota-nociq-edition-rooted-crtonoff-bat-mod/

I'm running octane and according to the IQ check app, I don't have it
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Would you trade the S7e for the Pixel XL?

I'm debating between the two. I have a change to get one soon but I'm leaning on keeping the S7e since the U firmware runs well. I also think the S7e looks way better than the XL. It also means giving up SPay, Qi, IP68, compact body,... But Android 7.0 with the new goodies... hmmmm
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Samsung Pay, and the sleek look of the S7edge are the only things that keep me on.

I've never liked the camera UI of vanilla android.... also water resistant, sd card support & big ass battery

wait for the Galaxy S8 edge it will have all the upgraded specs and way more.

to get rid of touchwiz..... in a heartbeat

I'll put an end to this. The S7 Edge has the following advantages over the Pixel XL:
Bigger battery
Edge shortcuts
Waterproof
Better always on display
SD card
Wireless charging
Floating window
Screen gets brighter in daylight and darker at night
Scroll capture
Samsung widgets, magazine, weather, calendar..
Can still use JOD
Can use T-Mobile insurance
Samsung backup
Samsung pay
Better price
Dimensions are way better
As you can see the choice is a no-brainer. Shouldn't even require any thought actually. The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera. 7.1 doesn't do much (I have it on my Nexus) and the photos look better in all lighting conditions on the S7e, even though the Pixel has really great stabilization and is faster at snapping the photo.

The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera.
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...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?

DOMF said:
...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
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I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.

seh6183 said:
I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"

DOMF said:
Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Ad blocking can be done without root.
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
DriveDroid? Lol
Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.

seh6183 said:
Ad blocking can be done without root.
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Not very effectively
seh6183 said:
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
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Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
seh6183 said:
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
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Again yea kinda
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Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
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WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.

Nirrik said:
Not very effectively
Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
Again yea kinda
WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you. Maybe you don't even know what mst is? Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.

Your arrogance is amazing, do you purport know better than everyone else?
seh6183 said:
Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
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LOL wow so because you dont have any adds that means the method you use is just as good for everyone? If everyone uses your method there would be no adds whatsoever, is that what you are saying?
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I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
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As for freezing, you cant freeze certain system apps w/o root that's why I said kinda. See how that works? Not to mention the overall problem of freezing instead of removing. But yea keep the bloatware and limit your space.
seh6183 said:
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
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As far as you rationale on xda and rooting, OEMs are not eliminating the need for root, otherwise most people wouldnt be on here. And who are you to say what is needed to make other's phones more enjoyable? The fact that people want root is indicative of their need to make modifications to make their phone enjoyable to them. And also is that why the international versions have unlocked bootloaders? To educate you, OEMS lock bootloaders at the request of carriers. Locked bootloaders have been available to be instituted for many years, and seeing as US carriers are starting to utilize them the demand for unlocked phones are increasing.
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-unlocked-galaxy-s7-and-galaxy-s7-edge-in-the-u-s
Samsung even admits it and has released a carrier independent unlocked s7
seh6183 said:
Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
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Again who says its unnecessary? You? Since when do you speak for the majority?
seh6183 said:
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
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Again I will and many others will to due to our need to make our phones more enjoyable
seh6183 said:
I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you.
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AGAIN so... because you have settled on that tradeoff and others dont agree with your opinion, you are saying that we must not be educated? What a narrow world view, agree with everything I say and do or you're wrong and must be corrected. The Nazis had the same idea but took it a step further and eliminated opposition.
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Maybe you don't even know what mst is?
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Do you? Yes I know what MST is, its Samsung's latest push towards wireless payment technology utilizing NFC. And if the merchant doesnt use it then samsung pay will go ahead and use older "Less Secure" Technology or wont work at all resulting in you having to pull out your bank card and use it either by tap and pay, chip or good old fashioned swiping.
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Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
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Yes, I like many others, will keep trying to get real root because of OUR need to make our devices more enjoyable.
Oh and btw I forgot to mention Xposed by itself, does absolutely nothing, its a framework for root apps to make the modifications and in fact most apps are quite stable on real root. Real root enables the users to fix and streamline the performance of their devices not just customize. Like disabling DVFS, odex/deodex, custom kernels, these are not for aesthetic purposes but functional. To make up for problems like this
http://bgr.com/2016/03/25/galaxy-s7-performance-test-us-vs-global-pt-2/
But keep drinking the koolaid and insist that security is paramount to freedom. The establishment will love you for it.

Nirrik said:
a bunch of annoying babbling
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.

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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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LOL awwwww did I make the troll mad? "the fact of the matter is" I respond with structured facts and refrences, you refuse to refute my points with anything other than a tantrum and unfounded opinions. YOU were the one that tried to act like everything you said was fact with no proof, You began this debate and now that its plain to see that you have no real ground to stand on, you are gonna knock the pieces off the board. And apparently people care, you may not but others do. So your "No one cares" is yet another unfounded opinion that has no basis in truth. And as far as going to a forum where people care about root, I did, that's what XDA is, all of it! Its XDA DEVELOPERS! Maybe you should find a new site to spout your locked bootloader/anti root vitrol and where you can refuse to act like a reasonable adult. LMFAO.

All my ads are blocked.
I can freeze every single process on my phone.
You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.

Im eating popcorn while reading all this.

I would not trade the GS7E for a pixel or any other Google branded phone. Had bad experiences with prior Nexus phones. To put it simply, the plusses of this phone easily outweigh the plusses of the pixel, which really is only that it has stock Android and quick updates. I couldn't care less about root, as another poster stated, ad blocking and freezing apps can be done without. Never had good experiences with xposed. And lastly, if you want the UI to look stock, Samsung good lock has you covered. Overall, this phone doesn't lag, doesn't crash, has excellent battery life, water resistance, and reasonably quick updates. Life is too short to deal with rooting and other nonsense. I want a phone that works with minimal input from me, and this gives me that.

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You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
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This is literally all I saw...the failure to realise what MST is and/or how it works. NFC is kind of weak...android pay uses it some cards have it the samsung gear s2 watch uses it for sam pay....but mst...mst since nobody wanted to educate the other guy...creates an electromagnetic field of sorts that mimics the magnetic frequency resonance whatever what have you of said card (well actually a secondary card number to protect yours) to emulate a card swipe...works places NOTHING else does..android pay apple pay paypal none of them work because you are in the country somewhere at some hillbilly gasstation that has only a card reader...sam pay will save you. It should even work with square pay readers ?. I will say though...v4a Viper4Android...is VERY useful especially if you are an audiophile. No other app compares...period...coming from someone with an s7e that isnt rooter because i use sam pay. And i must say yea i miss the abilities of a rooted phone...but ive been fine since march without. Also heard tmobile was checking to see if devices were rooted now on insurance....i already cracked my screen once(sparks shooting across the room actually did it)...if thats true i would have been a $$ out if rooted...oh and to answer your question...not in a million years...tmobiles bill credit isnt even enticing enough coupled with the note7 fiasco. Ill be getting the 5.5 s8 or s8e however they will market the moniker as soon as it drops

I didn't want to explain mst to the guy because I was hoping he would continue to live his life believing that mst is just nfc lol
I guess I just don't see what is so great about viper. An equalizer is very important to me but that is built into the apps these days. All the other functions of viper are unimportant to me. I'm not an audiophile so I'm probably missing it, but adding an echo or virtual surround to my music is not important. And I've had bugs and drain with viper before (only on certain devices)