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I've been trying for months to get this setup to run smoothly (I prolly put too much money into it anyway lol), hopefully somebody here can help me out.
I am trying to stream from my home PC Wii Dolphin Emulator, using Splashtop remote as the streamer. When this is done locally its of course smooth,it still has that millisecond delay in between the pc and tablet but you can only notice it if your looking at the pc monitor, so that shouldn't matter.
PC side
Latest Splashtop Streamer 1.5.5.4, on Windows 7 Ultimate
4GB DDR2 Ram, ATI 5570 1GB Ram Video Card, Phenom Black X4 965 3.8ghz
So I know its good enough to do heavy emulation with no problem
100MBps down and 5MBps upload with 10ms ping time
Tablet side:
TF101 with dock and wireless Xbox 360 controller
Revolver 3.2, stock 3.2 kernel
Running latest Splashtop HD app, and built in rebranded ASUS splashtop app.
Tethered to CM7 HTC EVO: 6MBps down and 1.07 up 122ms ping time
And work network gives 5.47Mbps down and .65 up 27ms ping time
(both give about the same results)
I have done everything I can think of, port forwarding,dmz mode, removed router all together, killed every program that didn't have to run, disabled antivirus.
But something tells me I'm missing something obvious. If I can get this running smoothly I'll make a video of how to set it up over the net, so more people can start doing it.
Some guy made a video yesterday, but I'm pretty sure it was local seeing as how he didn't even have the 360 controller connected to his tablet, he must have been in the same room as his pc, kinda defeating the purpose.
Anyways, I would love to hear any suggestions on how I can improve the streaming. Different client/app, different OS, anything.
The problem is not due to any configuration issues in your setup. The problem is that you're trying to pipe sound, video, input, and output through wifi. You're never going to get a smooth experience as if you were playing locally on the tablet because, on top of the latency of wifi, there is a ton of added overhead from Splashtop having to encode four different data streams down into one, and then having to decode it again once it gets to your tablet.
Not even big name business applications from Citrix and VMware offer the ability to reliably stream games over a network. The best performance ever achieved through a streaming solution for high-end gaming is OnLive, where they have massive data centers dedicated to the task, and even on Verizon FiOS you'll average around 150ms+ for latency. Smooth gameplay on Splashtop is not going to happen over wifi, or even direct connect.
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
ThaDSman said:
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
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When I say direct connect, I mean ethernet cables. To put it simply, there simply does not exist a cheap solution for playing games remotely between two computers, especially when you consider the amount of bandwidth required to drive the input and output locally on a PC. For just the monitor alone, DVI has a base signal bandwidth of 3.96 Gbit/s, which is essentially four times as fast as standard Category 5e cables. Furthermore, the Transformer will only support a maximum of 100 Mbit/s through USB to ethernet adapters, so you can only operate at about 2.5% of the signal bandwidth required for just the monitor of a gaming machine.
To achieve a smooth 60fps remotely between two computers, you need at least a 10 Gbit connection, which is currently only available for servers. Even then, a 10 Gbit PCI card costs at least $400, and a 10-foot cable to match will run about $100. It's just not feasible on the Transformer.
Thanks for the explanation, I've wasted months trying to get this going, its nice to know why it didn't work too well.
Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
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Well, what I'm trying to do is not locally, it works smoothly locally. I'm trying to get it to work over the internet. I want to get it to run from where I am as long as I have a decent connection. So I already took my router out the picture, I plugged it directly to the modem, So I'm streaming like that now. And for my EVO I'm tethering to and my other test Access points, Im using Infrastructure modes not Ad-hoc.
And like you said Im going to start trying 1024*768 now to see if its smoother and im decreasing my colors from 32bit to 16bit.
but how do you disable audio?
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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My bad, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was dissing you, I know who you are, and that you did all those PSP videos years ago, it was the reason I bought a PSP and got into its homebrew scene, (I also tried contacting the developer who wrote the homebrew program you used to do a port to android or Windows Mobile before we got splashtop, but got no reply)
What did you use to load up the 360 receiver drivers on the transformer usb/bt joy?
And what rom and kernel combo are you using on the TF?
Getting it lag free would be awesome, even if we have to lower the quality considerably.
But understand I'm trying to get this to work over the internet, not locally or connected to the same network the pc is on. I want to be able to be at work or a friends house and still have this work.
It should be noted, too, that in addition to having massive data centers with ridiculously fast connections, OnLive has its own unique, high compression algorithm for encoding the data streams to allow for a better framerate over comparably slower home internet connections. Splashtop's compression, by comparison, is fairly minimal because it instead assumes that the client and server computers are connected to the same local network, and compensates for poor connection quality by buffering the data stream before outputting it. Obviously Splashtop's solution works beautifully for video because a 1 second delay has no effect on whether a video will play properly, but it's unacceptable for gaming.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make a request to the Splashtop developers, asking for a specialized gaming mode which compresses the stream to sacrifice some of the video quality for an improved response time. Aside from that, you could always just sign up for OnLive.
Ya, Onlive is pretty fresh, but the problem is there's no way to play it on android because all they have right now is a viewer for IOS and Android (whatever happened to that running in any browser idea?). Unless we use Splashtop or CrazyRemote Pro. Hopefully it'll be fast enough to do this too.
BTW I went and bought CrazyRemote Pro that $20 app (my pockets hurt) and it looks like it gives a smoother experience its considerably better than Splashtop, It lets you choose fps priority or a work mode were the video is sharper.
Maybe somebody else can try it out and see what kind of results they get?
Yea I can't see this happening over the internet. Most public wireless networks are designed to stop this sort of bandwidth hogging.
As long as you can stream it from the PC to the tablet reliably, I'd say this is a Win.
Wow.
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
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I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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That's great. What software are you using for this? I have been thinking about writing an application for this. Windows to Windows (to keep it simple), 60 fps, FullHD, 32 bit colour, 1Gbps Ethernet.
Is this possible? The bandwidth required is about 4.4Gbps for uncompressed video, but is it not possible to use frame by frame lossless compression to reduce size by a mere factor of 5-8? If not, can I not use real time encoding using some relatively light codec? If all else fails, colour depth could also be reduced. Worst case, 30fps? C'mon that can't be hard.
Why does a high performance remote desktop not exist already?
Excitedly awaiting your response
I have a few questions about the eeePad, before I decide if I should buy one or not.
1) First of all, how is the ebook reading experience in an eeepad?
Is it readable without zooming a lot? Also, is it slow (it was kinda slow in a galaxy tab I once saw!) when you use ebooks or pdf files with a lot of pages or pictures?
2) How is gaming? Any good keyboard playable games?
Any RPGs? Anyone tried wesnoth?
Edit: Okay, so the emulators work!
3) How is the movie playback of non mp4 formats (mkv, rmvb, avi etc.)?
As far as I tried, it works on desire z and was very slow on xperia mini pro (old one) and galaxy gt-i5510!
4) I saw the thread on Ubuntu! Is it slow? Can it run any other OS?
5) Does normal android apps (the ones for mobiles I mean) work in eeepad?
Do they shrink or become too large or something?
If these questions were already asked, I apologize in advance!
1) Fine. I find the Kindle App and Polaris Office (for PDFs) works fine. Readability without zooming depends on the user also; I don't have problems.
2) Some work (e.g. Muffin Knight), gaming on Android varies I guess. And thx, didn't know someone was selling a Wesnoth port; I'll have to check that and see what's up.
3) I'll leave it to others here, since I don't even own a Blu-Ray player yet...hehe.
4) Probably, read the thread maybe? Remember it's armv7l not x86 or x86_64. I run Debian stable in a chroot.
5) That's kind of configurable. Generally it works fine in my experience (most apps I use are not made for tablets).
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
3)Tested a 720p 2,36gb mkv and played smooth with diceplayer (not-free). But when you turn hdmi out the subtitles doesn't show on the tv. Maybe not a big problem for you ..
5) Apps works perfect in my experience, i didn't notice that someones are not made for tablets
Just picked up one of these an hour ago. Comes in 500 gigs worth of wireless happiness.
I'm dumping video clips I took with a digital camera, pictures, ebooks and my music onto it now.
The way you connect to it is it creates it's own wireless network that you connect to to access the drive. So looks like you lose wireless internet connectivity while accessing the drive.
Haven't tried to access it from the doubleshot yet, but i'm impatiently awaiting the transfer to finish.
I'm pretty sure this will alleviate the lack of decent storage space all phones and tablets suffer from.
I'll post back later today with how well it works and a link to the device's product page. Making links in posts is tedious on the Nook i'm typing from.
Edit:
Product webpage
I bought mine from BestBuy for $199.99+tax. So far worth every penny.
I can't wait to hear the results. Carrying around a movie library in conjunction with the Doubleshot's TV Out function sounds pretty awesome!!
Okay, slept and took my lady out for dinner.
Now that i'm back, the info is fully copied over and the device is charged.
First impressions are pretty great.
Comes with a proprietary usb cord to connect to a computer with, supports up to usb 3.0 (sweet!)
Also comes with an AC adapter to usb, and a car charger to usb. The coolest tiny little car adapter i've seen on the market to date, btw.
The usb cord that plugs in for just power to the device connects to the device through the tiny, round power input and not a straight usb connection.
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Connecting wirelessly to the device is done one of two ways:
-Any web browser
(mixed results with both opera mobile and the stock browser)
(web browser preferred for downloading content from the wireless HDD to the MT4GS)
-Through the Seagate GoFlex App (preferred for video or browsing content on the wireless HDD)
Browsing the contents of the drive is much, much preferred through the Seagate app, it works much better.
Yes, you can stream media directly from the device to the MT4GS and output to a television. ( As noted above by siani_8 - the whole reason I got the drive in the first place )
Video:
You can play video using QuickPic Which is my current and favorite gallery app, but it falls short on video due to one big failing: no option for soft decoding.
It doesn't matter playing video on the device itself, but as soon as you output to television ( from the MT4GS in general, not just the wireless HDD specifically ) you MUST default to soft decoding on any app you use or you will get skippy video on the television screen.
Can't help it, it's a limitation of the device. The hardware decoding (at least for an .avi file ) can't both output to television and keep up with decoding the video. It's okay, though, because with a dual-core Gen3 Snapdragon and a hefty amount of RAM the MT4GS is more then capable of soft-decoding without a loss of performance.
To this end, i'd love to point you in the direction of Mobo Player - my absolute favorite video player on any android device. Handles .avi and other file formats, is free, and works fantastically well.
So, quick recap so far:
Use the Seagate GoFlex app to access the wireless HDD, and when you tap on a video use Mobo Player to view it.
Enable soft-decoding by default in Mobo Player, and you'll be able to plug into a television and watch any movies you want streamed directly from the wireless HDD.
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Pictures:
You can view pictures from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app.
Trying to download pictures to the MT4GS from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app is not functional, but viewing is fine. Trying to download pictures or folders of pictures results in force close of the GoFlex app.
Recommend to use the web browser for downloading, but the GoFlex app for viewing.
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That's what i've got so far.
This thing is pretty awesome, i'm happy with my purchase, and watching Hackers as I type this up.
With any new technology, i'm sure there will be hiccups (such as the app force closing when trying to download pictures) but so far it seems pretty solid.
The info is on the device and works on several computers tested on (win xp an win 7) so far through usb.
Tried accessing it from my MT4GS running my own custom ROM, a hacked up version of the stock OS, and also from my Nook Color running the latest CM7 stable.
From both android devices the wireless HDD was no problem to connect with and use, and works just as you would imagine it should when you buy it from the store.
I think this is the beginning of a new future in mobile storage, and honestly, streaming video straight from my pocket to a television couldn't be easier.
Definite win, more info to come over the next few days as I play with it more.
Thanks for the post. I was on the fence about picking this up for my droid tablet
My friend has one of those and loves it.
Sent from my HTC myTouch_4G_Slide using xda premium
Sometimes I have trouble connecting to it, but not often.
I haven't tried to use the app for it in ages, which is probably a lot better by now.
I also haven't checked for firmware updates - ever - so it's likely some of those small hiccups are rectified.
Either way, it's way awesome, nothing like walking around with some 400 gigs of space just a button push away.
You can even just reach in a pocket or backpack and press the button then just do your thing walking around or whatever with access to whatever is on it.
Very handy, very nice despite it's small aggravations from time to time - for the prototype commercial product of what they will all be like in the future i'm thoroughly impressed.
Doesn't get hot when running from the battery, either, even in hard drive zipper case in my cargo pockets.
All in all, a solid win and definitely a quality offering for a new product type launch.
If I could go back to the store with the cash in my hand and stand in front of it to make the choice over, i'd get it in a heartbeat without hesitation.
hi all, i have bought the above smart tv dongle thingy from maplins
http://www.maplin.co.uk/point-of-view-hdmi-smart-tv-dongle-android-4.1-685649
anyone have one of these? im pretty impressed with it, im not too happy with the menu though and id like to customize it a bit.. any ideas on what can be done with this device?
Thanks
First thing to do with this device
I just got one.
First thing I did was install ADW Launcher Ex on it and get rid of the horrible launcher it came with.
Now I have a very fast 42" tablet, with widgets, live wallpapers the lot, no root required.
This thing has loads of potential, but if you read the customer reviews on Maplin you'll see they haven't understood that this is Android and you can customise the heck out of it.
The only thing I've found missing so far is a lock screen in case you don't want others using it while your not there without unplugging it. I also heard it loses datetime if you unplug it, not surprising as it doesn't have an internal clock battery.
It's surprisingly fast, but if you're mouse pointer will lag under heavy load.
Still exploring potential will post back as I find out more.
Ah thanks! I have since rooted and installed different firmware! I found out that it was a re-branded Rikomagic MK802III and installed the latest firmware for that device which is way better. I have XBMC running alongside MX Player Hardware video decoding, all is sweet. I found out all I needed from this guys post. Enjoy
http://www.rikomagic.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3645
Any one know why Point of View HDMI Smart TV Dongle will not work on my Sony KDL-40V4000 but does work on my logik tv
not really useful for me though
Point of View Android tv dongle screen mirroring
I also have this dongle which is connected to my tv. I also have mine and my Mrs's Android phones which are running kit Kat and another ohms running on jelly bean.
Is there anyway to mirror my or my wife's phone to the dongle add we both have the mirror screen option on or phones?
Answers/help will be appreciated.
Point of View HDMI Smart TV dongle - interface & WD My Passport
Hi,
I have just bought the hdmi dongle and m not very technology savvy. One of the main reasons I got it was to be able to connect my WD My Passport to it to play movies etc. However I can't seem to change the settings on the menu - so when I click on Movies - rather than all my separated folders showing up - instead it shows an icon of my 1500 movies (which includes about 750 clips of my kids). I can't seem to find a way to get it to display the folders, or even a list of the movies rather than the huge icons! Is there a way around this?
Thanks in advance,
Colette
Hey folks,
TLDR at the end
I'm wondering if you can help me please, however I'm not sure if what I want is available. I'm new to this area of Android and I'm finding all the options a bit daunting as I'm not familiar with what is reputable and what is not. For example, I read the thread about the Gearbest MXiii, but when looking in the UK, I found the same box on Amazon, released under 2 different Manufacturer names... Much like if you try to buy a Media PC keyboard.
Anyway, here are the things I hope to do / run:
I want to replace my Windows Desktop that acts as my Media Centre. I use Kodi (Formerly XBMC) 14. I also use Chrome to play Netflix (would replace this with the android app), Spotify - and that's pretty much it. All my Storage is networked so I don't need anything there.
I am hoping to get a powerful machine (Quad core perhaps) with the ability to run lollipop (through AOSP if necessary) that will run Kodi, spotify and the Netflix app. BUT what I am also hoping to do, is run a 5.1 audio setup. I'm under no illusions that this support will be unlikely to be built-in (Although that would definitely be preferable) but will happily buy a USB DAC if we know of a stick that will support it and is not extortionately priced... What complicates things further, is I don't really want to run 5.1. I actually want to run 3.0 ( I don't imaging that makes much difference here, but again - it's not a familiar area to me). The reason being that on my Desktop, I run a centre speaker with the volume controlled separately, because whenever any of my media supports 5.1, when it mixes down to dual channel, I often end up with loud sound effects and low dialogue, which can be trouble when I have both an upstairs and downstairs neighbour....
So.... does anyone have any recommendations based on that?
TLDR;
I'm looking for a Powerful android stick that will support Lollipop through any means and 3.0 Audio as a minimum, even if through a USB Dac
danarama said:
Hey folks,
TLDR at the end
I'm wondering if you can help me please, however I'm not sure if what I want is available. I'm new to this area of Android and I'm finding all the options a bit daunting as I'm not familiar with what is reputable and what is not. For example, I read the thread about the Gearbest MXiii, but when looking in the UK, I found the same box on Amazon, released under 2 different Manufacturer names... Much like if you try to buy a Media PC keyboard.
Anyway, here are the things I hope to do / run:
I want to replace my Windows Desktop that acts as my Media Centre. I use Kodi (Formerly XBMC) 14. I also use Chrome to play Netflix (would replace this with the android app), Spotify - and that's pretty much it. All my Storage is networked so I don't need anything there.
I am hoping to get a powerful machine (Quad core perhaps) with the ability to run lollipop (through AOSP if necessary) that will run Kodi, spotify and the Netflix app. BUT what I am also hoping to do, is run a 5.1 audio setup. I'm under no illusions that this support will be unlikely to be built-in (Although that would definitely be preferable) but will happily buy a USB DAC if we know of a stick that will support it and is not extortionately priced... What complicates things further, is I don't really want to run 5.1. I actually want to run 3.0 ( I don't imaging that makes much difference here, but again - it's not a familiar area to me). The reason being that on my Desktop, I run a centre speaker with the volume controlled separately, because whenever any of my media supports 5.1, when it mixes down to dual channel, I often end up with loud sound effects and low dialogue, which can be trouble when I have both an upstairs and downstairs neighbour....
So.... does anyone have any recommendations based on that?
TLDR;
I'm looking for a Powerful android stick that will support Lollipop through any means and 3.0 Audio as a minimum, even if through a USB Dac
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what a crap question