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I just switched to the Nexus S from a G2 (and a MT4G before that) and I've noticed that it seems like you can see the pixels on the NS while you couldn't on the G2/MT4G. Is this normal?
yes its normal for all samsung amoled and super amoled screens, because they share sub pixels using what's called a pentile subpixel layout. lcd screens have the full 3 sub pixels for each main pixel. due to costs and manufacturing reasons, amoled only uses 2 sub pixels and shares colors, so the result is fuzzy text and bigger pixels. but you get better colors from the amoled.
super amoled plus fixes this, and goes back to the traditional full 3 sub pixels. but that is only coming on the galaxy s 2.
my next phone i actually decided i may go with slcd for this reason, and to see the battery difference in lcd. thinking about the desire s...
The Nexus S (and it seems all of the Galaxy S series) is using the Super AMOLED, so the Galaxy S 2 will be better?
I did really like the screen on the G2, but it after coming from at MT4G (and still getting to use one since my wife has one) the G2 was just too slow. I'm hoping T-Mobile releases an 'elite' HTC phone here soon.
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The Nexus S (and it seems all of the Galaxy S series) is using the Super AMOLED, so the Galaxy S 2 will be better?
I did really like the screen on the G2, but it after coming from at MT4G (and still getting to use one since my wife has one) the G2 was just too slow. I'm hoping T-Mobile releases an 'elite' HTC phone here soon.
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Should be getting the HTC Pyramid sometime this year. Think Evo with a 1.2GHz Dualcore Snapdragon. Can't get much more powerful than that
I still don't get why T-Mobile payed to rebrand the myTouch series. The HTC name carries more weight anyway.
The Pyramid sounds very promising. Fingers crossed.
Hi,
I am looking for a replacement phone for my Galaxy S and I am doubting whether to buy the SGS II or the HTC Sensation, the most important thing is the screen!
And since the SGS had an aweful Pentile Matrix Layout RGBG, I would never buy another phone with a PM layout.
So straight to the point does the htc sensation have a Pentile Matrix layout?
Thanks in advance
Screen is an LCD and therefore has a RGB stripe subpixel layout. Pentile is used for oled screen technology.
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Screen is an LCD and therefore has a RGB stripe subpixel layout. Pentile is used for oled screen technology.
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Then, what is that?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
Wow, I wonder why they did that, I'm not buying the blue phosphor stuff as how many lcd screens have you seen noticeably affected by this. Is this the only pentile lcd screen?
I wouldnt have thought that the Sensation would use pentile as none of the new HTC models with S-LCD screens have pentile as far as I'm aware.
I don't think this one is pentile matrix, but I don't have anything solid to back that up.
The SGSII is definitely not pentile matrix.
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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The SGS II doesn't have a pentile matrix that's for sure, since the plus in super amoled plus, stands for the extra subpixel (compared to Super Amoled)
Now I was wondering whether the HTC Sensation has a pentile matrix because the Atrix 4G has a pentile matrix aswell and that's qHD too!
hiraj_panosian said:
The SGS II doesn't have a pentile matrix that's for sure, since the plus in super amoled plus, stands for the extra subpixel (compared to Super Amoled)
Now I was wondering whether the HTC Sensation has a pentile matrix because the Atrix 4G has a pentile matrix aswell and that's qHD too!
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qHD is only a spec of resolution, not of screen type. qHD is one quarter of full HD resolution:
1920/2= 960
1080/2= 540
The qHD notation could be use on amoled, samoled, lcd, slcd or any type of screen, as long as it is 960 x 540 resolution.
Killbynature said:
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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The sgs2 is NOT a pentile matrix.
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walk.away said:
Wow, I wonder why they did that, I'm not buying the blue phosphor stuff as how many lcd screens have you seen noticeably affected by this. Is this the only pentile lcd screen?
I wouldnt have thought that the Sensation would use pentile as none of the new HTC models with S-LCD screens have pentile as far as I'm aware.
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Has nothing to do with the blue. The white pixel lends brightness. I'm sure its cheaper for them and easier to make. Ideally it should increase battery life.
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Killbynature said:
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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I see others have corrected you, but since your post my in reply to mine I felt irked enough to reply anyways. The SGSII screen is definitely NOT pentile. Samsung made a big deal about that at the launch, and its been widely publicised since. Using Google occasionally, before posting, is a great way to avoid espousing fictions publicly.
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Has nothing to do with the blue. The white pixel lends brightness. I'm sure its cheaper for them and easier to make. Ideally it should increase battery life.
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Erm, there is no suchh thing as a white pixel. Red Green and Blue combine to make white light. The anandtech article explains it well.
I do acknowledge that the blue may shut down quicker, but no other LCD uses this, so i dont believe its the reason Motorola used pentile matrix. Possibly too reduce the cost of creating a screen with high resolution by reduction the number of sub pixels to cram in. (or wichever lcd manufacturer moto uses)
Anyone know the answer to the OP?
As with many other people I'm torn between the SGS2 and the HTC Sensation... For me this could be the deciding factor.
Erm, there is no suchh thing as a white pixel. Red Green and Blue combine to make white light. The anandtech article explains it well.
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I believe the Atrix uses a RGBW PenTile arrangement - you can see it in the Anandtech cloe-up.
The sgs2 is NOT a pentile matrix.
Repetition of what others have said but,
GSII has no pentile matrix, the PLUS in super AMOLED Plus stands for 50% increase i sub pixels SO when you look at the screen, it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile.
Link will tell you what you need to know.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus
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Repetition of what others have said but,
GSII has no pentile matrix, the PLUS in super AMOLED Plus stands for 50% increase i sub pixels SO when you look at the screen, it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile.
Link will tell you what you need to know.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus
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THANK YOU! That description is accurate without the implied hyperbole of making it higher res and stuff. Sorry, I just hate the propaganda spewed by all companies and think that its hyperbole has no place here. Saying it makes it look higher res than it is is wrong, while your statement of "it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile." is perfectly accurate.
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THANK YOU! That description is accurate without the implied hyperbole of making it higher res and stuff. Sorry, I just hate the propaganda spewed by all companies and think that its hyperbole has no place here. Saying it makes it look higher res than it is is wrong, while your statement of "it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile." is perfectly accurate.
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even thought you'd think they'd "bat for AMOELD" it's a VERY good website. Just lays the facts of AMOLED.
So have you made your mind up yet??
daivik said:
even thought you'd think they'd "bat for AMOELD" it's a VERY good website. Just lays the facts of AMOLED.
So have you made your mind up yet??
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Best kind of sites, the ones that will speak the impartial truth.
And yeah, the Sensation is the one I'll get. The camera is better on the Samsung but the higher res screen is a godsend for me (the resolution closes in on that of the original Galaxy Tab, HTC Flyer, and BB Playbook). Plus, I am upgrading from a Touch Pro 2, I really don't think any dual-core phone will disappoint me (except maybe for a Tegra2 one because I want High Profile H.264 decoding). I don't like the ergonomics of the SII or their UI (though their browser is buttery smooth). The new zoom method on the SII seems interesting but also seems to lack the precision needed to really make it useful (it'll most likely improve with time). Also, HTC in general is great with updates (I'm not saying anything bad about Samsung), they had 5 different ROMs for my TP2 and the latest update was released February of this year.
In summary these are my reasons for choosing the Sensation:
Higher resolution screen: great for reading web pages, novels, comics and I assuming it'll be great for document editing/formatting/creation. The colours on SAMOLED+ might be prettier but not as functional for me.
Camera, I need the cameras in general for spontaneous moments and for reference. To show what I was talking about or documentation moments, things, etc. (or even just avoiding the wasted paper of photocopies). I do wish it had more detail but it's enough for what I need (though what DOES bug me about it is that from some shots/videos you can see that it IS capable of capturing finer detail which makes me think the blurry/pastel-y parts are due to compression or noise reduction algorithms that are just too aggressive).
UI and HTC familiarity and product support (I honestly get the impression that Google's decision to ask companies to support devices for 18 months is going to affect HTC's practices and I mean that in a good way).
The processor might not be as good (MIGHT as it is still an ongoing debate and don't want people to jump down my throat) but it is better tenfold than the one I have at the moment.
And hey, I figure the "buttery smoothness" of the SII should be coming to all halfway decent phones, including the Sensation, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out as Honeycomb supposedly supports GPU acceleration and so the Sandwich should too.
I am an informed shopper. I make sure I am aware of not only the advantages, but also the deficiencies, of what I buy but make the choice based on what's best for ME based on my likes/wants and NEEDS at the moment and near future.
Now I just have to do two things:
1) wait for reviews if they don't take too long to see if there's anything seriously wrong with the Sensation or something else that could change my decision (I doubt it).
2) Choose whether to buy an imported sim-unlocked version or import one from T-Mobile (This decision might be heavily influenced by the release date of unlocked versions and the programs pre-installed on the T-Mob version.
How about you Daivik? Make your choice? And don't worry, whatever it is I won't try to dissuade you
p.s. I read the Sensation manual and like that it has bilingual support for the keyboard/text prediction.. Something which is very useful for me (though for all I know the SII could have it).
solsearch said:
Best kind of sites, the ones that will speak the impartial truth.
And yeah, the Sensation is the one I'll get. The camera is better on the Samsung but the higher res screen is a godsend for me (the resolution closes in on that of the original Galaxy Tab, HTC Flyer, and BB Playbook). Plus, I am upgrading from a Touch Pro 2, I really don't think any dual-core phone will disappoint me (except maybe for a Tegra2 one because I want High Profile H.264 decoding). I don't like the ergonomics of the SII or their UI (though their browser is buttery smooth). The new zoom method on the SII seems interesting but also seems to lack the precision needed to really make it useful (it'll most likely improve with time). Also, HTC in general is great with updates (I'm not saying anything bad about Samsung), they had 5 different ROMs for my TP2 and the latest update was released February of this year.
In summary these are my reasons for choosing the Sensation:
Higher resolution screen: great for reading web pages, novels, comics and I assuming it'll be great for document editing/formatting/creation. The colours on SAMOLED+ might be prettier but not as functional for me.
Camera, I need the cameras in general for spontaneous moments and for reference. To show what I was talking about or documentation moments, things, etc. (or even just avoiding the wasted paper of photocopies). I do wish it had more detail but it's enough for what I need (though what DOES bug me about it is that from some shots/videos you can see that it IS capable of capturing finer detail which makes me think the blurry/pastel-y parts are due to compression or noise reduction algorithms that are just too aggressive).
UI and HTC familiarity and product support (I honestly get the impression that Google's decision to ask companies to support devices for 18 months is going to affect HTC's practices and I mean that in a good way).
The processor might not be as good (MIGHT as it is still an ongoing debate and don't want people to jump down my throat) but it is better tenfold than the one I have at the moment.
And hey, I figure the "buttery smoothness" of the SII should be coming to all halfway decent phones, including the Sensation, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out as Honeycomb supposedly supports GPU acceleration and so the Sandwich should too.
I am an informed shopper. I make sure I am aware of not only the advantages, but also the deficiencies, of what I buy but make the choice based on what's best for ME based on my likes/wants and NEEDS at the moment and near future.
Now I just have to do two things:
1) wait for reviews if they don't take too long to see if there's anything seriously wrong with the Sensation or something else that could change my decision (I doubt it).
2) Choose whether to buy an imported sim-unlocked version or import one from T-Mobile (This decision might be heavily influenced by the release date of unlocked versions and the programs pre-installed on the T-Mob version.
How about you Daivik? Make your choice? And don't worry, whatever it is I won't try to dissuade you
p.s. I read the Sensation manual and like that it has bilingual support for the keyboard/text prediction.. Something which is very useful for me (though for all I know the SII could have it).
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Now that is a good reasoning!! Personally I think I'm swaying to the GSII.
1) I'm on T-mobile UK, who get all their phones late! :/ SO I don't think I could wait for the sensation (as it is the GSII is coming in in June...or later)
2) I prefer the sense look and feel, but I'm coming up from a Desire, so I feel as if I'm just buying a "Desire-pro"/"Desire-EPIC-HD" etc (you get the point?) and I'm the sort of person that likes change!
I also ended up just using launcherPro over sense on my desire also.
3) Watch is a big feature on HTC...but I have A RUBBISH 2mb internet speed, on a good day, so downloading movies is something that I haven't been able to do (without leaving my pc on over night!)
4)Being honest, I'm not totally happy about the TouchWiz messaging of contacts (it looks very "blocky/rectangular", but that's something I'll change/get over.)
5) the RAM, even though it is more that enough, it's just the sort of thing that will bug me, knowing that the GSII has 1GB. And internal memory, again even though 1GB is enough, I just fear running out, like on my desire.
And the GSII, should be coming on T-Mobile earlier than the Sensation, so it's the one i'll go for - But still will feel gutted that I won't be seeing qHD.
there's always next year...when hopefully, we'll be seeing 300+ PPI Super AMOLED plus panels!
I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
I have the Galaxy Nexus right now and its the best phone I've ever had. Sure they're some minor problems with it like with any new device. But nothing at all that makes it unusable or annoying.
I wouldn't wait for phones that come out at CES 2012 because they won't be available until Q2 at least. Plus all the Quad Core phones will all have problems working the kinks out since they'll be brand new. Much like the Thunderbolt, Charge, Revolution, and the (first) Bionic.
So my advice is to go with the Nexus. Better experience, faster updates, best phone I ever came across. Makes the iPhone 4S look puny and not fun at all IMO of course
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If you have to change now, go for the Nexus. If you can wait some months, then wait.
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Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
its simple really...
blarrick said:
Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
its simple really...
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Why do you say the RAZR is better than the Rezound for stock users out of curiosity? I could have had either as my displacement and went with the Rezound because it appeared to be the better phone overall based on what I read.
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The Nexus is still better for stock users because it's the only one with ICS. The OS is far more intuitive and coherent than Gingerbread, and that's exactly what matters the most for those users.
The only pluses in general for the Razr versus the Nexus are its thinness (and it's not even a huge difference compared to the Nexus, it's much more noticeable compared to the chunktastic Rezound) and less-plasticky/more durable build (kevlar back, splash-proof coating, not made by Samsung).
With what I know from reading -- I'd go for the Nexus. ICS cannot be ignored, and couple that with the amazing AMOLED screens Samsung uses and you have a winner.
I believe ALL the phones have some quirks, you just have to make sure you can live with them.
The Charge was not considered a successful phone, it was the baddest mama jama when I bought mine in early June and though its not perfect, it got a breath of life when GB was released for it. Fixed most of my issues!
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TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
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Hes actually right. If youre getting a new phone just wait for the next big phone. We have Tegra 3 coming to smartphones in Q1 and just look at the 12mp camera/quad-core phones running ICS coming just in the first 3 months of this year. Wait it out bro.
Nexus is the best phone out there right now. As for the issues you're having, if you want full Exchange support, get a Windows Phone, otherwise get Touchdown as that is the only way to have reliable Exchange support on Android. Really though, I think you'll find problems with your next phone too just based on the OP.
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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beats audio is garbage unless you like rap/hip-hop (thankfully the beats 'technology' doesn't kick in unless you plug in those craptastic beats headphones), the Rezound *might* have the Nexus beat in processor and camera but Nexus wins IMO screen-wise, its also unbloated/unskinned, will have first dibs on updates and with the zero lag shutter... meh its a toss-up I think, both are solid phones but I'd kinda lean toward the Nexus
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Hooray for an ICS ROM that is very buggy, I know I'll use that all the time Can't wait to get a Sense'd version with as many useless apps as Verizon and jam into it. Glad to see you ignored the AOSP comment completely as well.
The screen statement is somewhat untrue as well. The issue with battery life comes when you're using bright colors or video. If you use black, you get excellent battery life as black pixels use 0 power for AMOLED screens, how much power does a black pixel use on an LCD panel? Inaccurate colors are one thing, as that depends on several factors, but it can be corrected, as can the over-saturation. Are there issues with the technology? Sure, but I'll take a SAMOLED screen over an LCD panel every day. Oh, and how about contrast ratio comparison between the two? How about comparing the thickness of a full screen assembly (touch sensor, backlight, and display) between AMOLED and tradition LCD? There are reasons that it's being used, despite how bad you think the technology is.
No MicroSD slot, now we're just nit-picking. Is it a bad thing? Kinda. However, how often do people change them? I only ever changed it out to get a faster card. The only thing I miss about having one is that I could just copy over my backed up data easily to the Nexus. Other than that, it's pointless and I don't see anyone having issues with the lack of a microSD card.
Oh, you also forgot to comment about the GPU tests and the camera. Is the Rezound a bad phone? No, but if you want long term support, I don't think you're going to beat the Nexus as it will see several updates in the future, and even if Google stops updating it, the community will keep it going. Plus, any issues you see can be fixed by the community before Google gets around to it, so you can see fixes faster if there are problems. The Rezound? It will probably see an OTA to ICS, then probably two more OTAs for bug fixes, after that, probably not much. Good luck getting AOSP on it, as that will take a long time, if ever; just see the Thunderbolt as an example. Community driven fixes? When's the last time HTC took bug fix advice from the public if it wasn't a security issue?
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Haha Rezound. You can keep that fat, whored-out (Beats scam, bloated up, Sense..), cheesy red colored locked-down brick. HTC is really becoming like Motorola by locking down their devices which creates delays and frustration for people like us. It will receive an update sure.. once. Until they release their new Super Amazing Incredible Orgasmic Deluxe 4G.
Also I hate the volume and power buttons on that phone, they are pretty much flush and have no tactile feel (mushy), don't even start on the horrendous battery life of HTC phones.
Sure the GNEX might not be ideal in every way, but neither is the Rezound. Just because you prefer it doesn't mean everyone else does too
I'd take SAMOLED Plus over LCD, but my personal experience with Pentile (browsing at Verizon store) has been pretty negative.
My point with the SD card was for the sake of extra storage. This is one of the most irritating aspects of the iPhone. These days there are 64 GB microSDXC cards out. The 32 GB card price keeps falling.
I'd wait too. I would want something with dev support like the Galaxy Nexus, but at least 8 MP rear-facing camera and hopefully >2 MP front-facing.
Go with the Nexus if you need a phone now....I have it and I love it. There are almost too many developers on that phone, which is a nice change coming from the charge.
The thing that annoys me most about the Rezound is the power button is on the wrong side of the phone. I use either my thumb or pointer finger of my right hand to push the power button. It's pretty awkward doing that on the rezound. Maybe it's just me lol
Hello,
I've been reading these forums for ages and decided it was time to actually share some thoughts.
Since my HD2 broke a few weeks ago I am looking for a new phone. I wanted to buy a GSII or HTC Sensation but after hearing about HTC's One line I decided I could wait another month.
Now I am considering both the One S and the One X.
My thoughts about these phones:
I do not really care about the processor as long as the phone runs smooth, I expect them both to be fine at this point
The lack of a SD-card slot doesn't really bother me as well
A non-removable battery will be something I have to live with
Now the real differences to me are:
Size/form: The one S looks like a way better sized to me. I doubt I could like a phone beyond ~4.5". I also think the black ceramic looks really beautiful. The One X looks good as well, but the vulcano-shaped camera is just ugly to me.
Costs: the One S is a bit cheaper
Display: reading the reviews I think it's easy to conclude the One X is definitely way ahead of the One S
Now my question: Is the qHD Super Amoled Pentile display on the One S really that bad? Sure it might not look good when viewing at 15cm distance. But that won't be the way I will be using the phone. I read about the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus One having a PenTile Amoled screen as well. Though a lot of people complain about the Nexus One, I do not hear that much complains about the Galaxy Nexus' screen. Is this due to the higher resolution?
How would the One S' display look compared to, say, the HD2 800x480 WVGA display?
Can't wait to test them in real life!
Advantages of qHD Pentile SAMOLED:
- Excellent contrast
- True Black
- Colors that pop out of the screen
- In 4.3" is a decent PPI but not best, meaning it will sharp but it could be better (coming from HD2 you shouldn't notice that much difference unless you compare it side by side with a higher resolution screen)
- Longer battery life IF using a lot of black (which ICS uses, but webpages don't)
Disadvantages:
- Not so sharp text (because of Pentile Matrix and not so high resolution combined)
- "Dirty Whites", no matter how well calibrated is the screen white is one of the colors that usually suffer more with Pentile Amoled screens
- Shorter battery life IF surfing the web a lot or using applications with predominant white color
- Poor outdoor performance in shiny days compared with many LCD screens
I'm sure I'm missing some others, but that pretty much sum the pros and cons of SAMOLED screens with Pentile.
And you're right about Galaxy Nexus screen, the only advantage that alleviates the sharpness problem is the higher PPI, but even so the problems are there just less noticeable.
Compared to the HD2s 64K only colors screen I think you will be delighted with any of the newer screens, pentile or not.
I had an Amoled Desire and indeed the pentile layout is a little less sharp but it didn't bother me at all and I will be happily buying a One-S when it becomes available.
You should see what people say about the Droid Razor because that has a qhd samoled pentile screen. Check reviews and stuff, from what I read (very little) the screen isn't that great according to theverge and engadget, but go check it out at the Verizon store and you will have a good idea of how the screen will look. IMO its just a small "issue" because the rest of it is pretty bad ass.
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Yeah, I have a friend who has the RAZR and the screen is pretty shoddy. Its not so much the sharpness, but it has a really strong blue tint if you look at it even slightly tilted. Its not even a tint, white turns into blue. Not sure if that just came from a bad batch but if that's the screen that the One S will have I have to be a bit concerned.
My Vibrant has a slight blue tint as well but its not nearly as strong. If the One S has a screen closer to the Vibrant than the RAZR then it's perfectly fine.
Nice to read your opinions! It's always nice to see how people have totally different opinions about the same thing.
I, really like a sharper, higher resolution screen. I kinda get annoyed when text gets blurred. Yet if it is only really noticeable when taking a closer look I won't mind.. The colored white is something I am a bit worried about though. I quite like the more saturated colors.
I think we can conclude that I (we) will just have to wait to see the device in real life. As long as it does not bother me when watching from a little distance I guess I will take it! Apart from the screen the specs are great and it just looks very very nice..
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
The Screen seems to be that same like the one in the motorola razzr. I did have the razzr for a few days and i can tell that i didnt like it. Colors were not accurate and in some circumstanced it looked really really bad (red backgroud with text on it)
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I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
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Thanks for the impressions.
I think that this may be a Motorola thing. I had a look at a Droid 3 yesterday and despite it being qHD, it was noticeably more pixelated than my Vibrant at WVGA. I barely notice the pixelation on my phone unless I really look for it. Does Samsung provide these screens? Maybe they're sabotaging their competitors?
doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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You'll never notice a difference between two small screens from a far distance, remember you use a phone very close to your face, and even then not everybody see things in the same way and some people claim not being able to notice the pentile pixelation (others like me see it).
For me the pentile SAMOLED is good if not the best... I have a Galaxy S and I found the screen to be pretty good(Was using LCD droid before).. Anyways gsmarena reported the pentile screen of the One S to be better than earlier pentile screens.They said HTC used some of its tech on the screen resulting in better pentile SAMOLED.. Btw am also planning to buy the One S .. Very disappointed by Samsung support.
Here is the article on the One S screen
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s_and_one_x_displays_detailed-news-3940.php
Yeah it's kinda weird how everyone is really positive about the One S' screen. It sounds like it has the same screen as the razzr, and a lot of people complain about Motorola's screen.
Anyway, maybe they improved the PenTile performances. We'll see soon enough!
I think Motorola just does a poor job calibrating their screens. I have no problem with the Pentile screen on the Vibrant. Its obviously no retina display but it's very sharp considering the screen size and resolution.
The only thing that sort of bugs me about the screen is how saturated everything is. Some people like that but I would prefer more natural tones. This is just personal preference though.
As an owner of AMOLED desire, i can say that its the best! It depends a lot on when and where you use your phone most. For me, thats in office and in my room at night.
Especially in a dark room, nothing can compare to the infinite contrast and excellent blacks of SAMOLED screens. Also very good for showing pictures to others, as they appear vibrant.
I guess my 2nd preference would be the IPS display from LG (like the one on Optimus 2X).
One VERY annoying aspect of SuperAMOLED is the burn in and wear.
I had an SGS before and the black statusbar got burned into the screen after 3-4 months of use.
It won't go away no matter what and it gets super annoying when holding the phone in landscape and watching video.
The wearing of the screen makes the colors less vibrant and not as bright.
I did love AMOLED before it burned in but after that I couldn't take it anymore so I got a sensation and passed my SGS down to my little sister.
I'm not sure that is normal.. though all screens can get some degree of burn in, it shouldn't be permanent.
Could be just a bad phone?
Both me and wife have amoled phones (me desire, her sgs) and don't notice any Burn in.
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It would be nice to know how the screen compares to say a SGS
I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I am thinking about both One X and One S, but screen is really important for me, because I had iPhone 4S for more than a month and can say, that I see so many pixels now So the question is, can you see pixels on One S screen? Is it sharp and clear?
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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By not being incredibly picky. The phone wasn't cheap, so before I signed a contract, I made sure I was happy with every aspect of the phone. While I do agree it's pixelated, and that my Sensation had slightly better quality, I am incredibly happy with the screen. I'm rarely centimeters away from the screen so I can live with it especially because the color reproduction is amazing.
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I think you just get used to it after a while. I couldn't stand the screen when I first got the phone, It stopped me using it regularly because I just used to get annoyed at the screen! (sad I know) But now I don't even think about the screen because I'm so used to it. I came from the Desire S which had a S-LCD display and a 480x800 display so that was a very good screen considering it was only 3.7 inches! I found the amoled colours of the one s to be extremely saturated. I didn't like the yellowish/blueish whites and the fact that every time you slightly changed the angle of the screen the colours would turn slightly blue. Text looked pixelated especially on a white background, that doesn't help considering a key part of sense 4 settings is all white background. It took me a good month to get used to the screen and 3 months in, I'm used to it Possibly getting the Nexus 4 soon so doubt I'll have much longer with this phone anyway.
Sorry for the little off topic might pickup a one s didn't want to start a new thread...
I saw the one s at my local fido store and damn its so snappy even whit sense !! But i tried the one x and it was somewhat slower is this normal ? Flicking through homescreens just werent the same..
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I did notice it some when I first got it, but I really don't anymore at all, and like was said above, I'm never close enough to my display to really notice it. I think the screen is incredible, as is every other aspect of the phone. I LOVE my One S.
I thought it would annoy me, but the phone was free so I decided to bite the bullet. I've had the phone 6 months now, and I really don't notice it at this point.
I love the one S display, sure the screen isn't as sharp as the GN, GS 3 and one X etc. and you don't get as much screen real estate but everything else is just as good, if not better:
- one of the best screens in sun light, don't even have to put my screen above 70% brightness in direct sun light in order to be able to make stuff out easily and this is on a darkish background too, MUCH better than the GN and GS 2 in this area
- colour reproduction is superb, my screen is pretty much perfect, whites are super white, brighter white than my dell u2311h, iirc a review site stated that the screen is better calibrated than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- no tinting at all on mine, usually with AMOLED screens you get a blue or yellow tint, which is noticeable at angles on whites but not on mine (this varies with every single screen though)
- of course blacks are black and the viewing angles are superb
- high contrast ratio etc. so games and videos look great
I only notice the pentile when looking at white text on black backgrounds and a few icons, but only when I really look for it and have my face pretty close to the screen. I find the one S screen to be sharper overall compared to the GS 2 screen.
I have had the one S beside the GS 2, GN and GS 3 and personally I didn't like the GS 2 screen at all, res. is too low so things are huge (felt like an old man using a phone designed for people with poor eye sight ), colours are far too saturated/warm. The GN screen is nice and sharp but the colours aren't saturated enough, rather dull over all and plus both phones are poor in comparison to the S for view ability in the sunshine. The GS 3 screen is great, better than the GN, however, I think the one S screen looks better for colours.
Anandtech more or less summed up my thoughts:
What’s different, however, is how well HTC has controlled the color temperature and gamma compared to Motorola in the RAZR. As shown in the HCFR galleries below, gamma is pretty close to 2.2 until you get to the high end, and color temperature is pretty close to 6500K, except at the two darkest grey points. This is so much better than any other OEM calibration of an AMOLED panel I’ve taken a look at, which is rather humorous because the panel is undoubtably Samsung’s. HTC is also letting the panel go pretty bright, up past 350 nits, instead of clamping it way down around 200 (I’m looking at you, Galaxy Nexus) to save power. I also haven’t noticed blacks not being totally off on the One S like I have with some others. Of course, colors are still massively oversaturated if your source color space is sRGB.
I’ve griped about PenTile RGBG before on this panel and other SAMOLED displays, but I find the One S to be completely enjoyable in spite of having it thanks to two things. First, how well HTC has controlled the panel (no awful hues, weird white points, or dramatic shifts as you change brightness) - this is basically the best I’ve seen this particular panel, and until SGS3, the best I’ve seen AMOLED in general. Second, because HTC doesn’t appear to be applying any processing that applies sharpening (like Samsung’s mDNIe) to text.
How you feel about PenTile really is the final factor: it’s there, but I’ve slowly become accustomed to it after staring at it for so long. If you go back to the Nexus S days, I was one of the most outspoken critics because of how large those subpixels were. With small enough subpixels (below visual acuity), PenTile starts to make sense. In other news, HTC moving back to Samsung AMOLED for phones is an interesting move after supply issues forced HTC to SLCD with some earlier phones, here on the HTC One S however, it looks great.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/6
My solution: Get old. You probably can't see all the minute issues you guys think matter, and you don't really care if you do. Every phone I've ever had has had a better screen than the previous and I think that's pretty nice.
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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Have to agree. Thing is apart from the screen it's a fantastic phone. It's so fast, battery life is great and the camera is great. I don't even think the screen would be that bad if it wasn't pentile it's just the fact that it's a pentile display it makes the phone look way more pixelated than it should be
I think I need to go to specsavers, I've never noticed a problem with the screen.
The screen on this is amazing. Don't notice any pixellation whilst on it . It's quite an improvement over my old Wildfires QVGA 3.5 inch 240x320 TFT display.
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If you switched from Wildfire you cant see this but if you had any phone in the alike pixel density and resolution you can see the difference. According to others opinion its not bad, the perfect color saturation, contrast etc will eliminate the bad feeling about those subpixels.
HTC does calibrate their screens nicely
I suppose it depends on what you're used to. When you come from an iPhone or high-end LCD-screen you probably will get annoyed with this display. However, when this is your first touchscreen smartphone or when you had a smartphone with a low-end display before this one, you will probably be able to cope with the slight pixilation.
Personally, even with this being my first touchscreen smartphone and coming from an E72 with a PPI of about 170, the display of this device would be the only reason for me to buy a One X or Nexus 4. That being said; you don't buy a smartphone solely for its display, you buy it for the complete package (price, battery, design, display, size, cpu/gpu, storage, support, OS, cloud integration etc.). And for me, the package the One S offers is more compelling than that of most other smartphones one the market.
I compared the One S screen to that of my Galaxy Nexus and honestly, when it comes to clarity, there isn't much of a difference. If you are in your twenties with near perfect eyesight and able to hold the phone less than a foot from your face then you will probably see pixelation but at normal distances it isn't an issue. For me it seems that anything above 250ppi is fine - my original Galaxy S was less (I think 233ppi) and that display was pixelated to me, but then again it was an earlier generation screen, I'm sure there have been other refinements besides resolution since then.
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
I come from an LG Optimus 2x, 4'' ips display, 800x480, and I feel this display better IMHO.
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One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
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I said Galaxy S, not S2.
Yes the S2 was/is superior despite the lower resolution thanks to the RGB arrangement (not pentile). The original Galaxy S was pentile, and not that great by today's standards.
It's okay, but I'm actually kind of unsatisfied with the blacks. I thought it would be completely black, but when I have a black picture shown on the phone in a completely dark room, the screen still lights up
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