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[Q] ..Just got the phone. TEXT is so blurry??

Just got my phone. The txt on the apps and main screens and just about all txt looks very blurry. Pics and such are perfect.
Is this something others are seeing? didn't see anybody mention it elsewhere.
Thanks!

Or is it that it's just not as clear as iphone4 screen?
it's really annoying to look at.

Might be a good time to schedule an appointment with your local optometrist.
My screen with text looks great.

haha. every other screen in my life is good.
Maybe I have a bad one. The app icons all look fuzzy too.

That'll be the Pentile matrix, doesn't bother most people.
Unless you have it really bad, then it might be a bad one.

Pentile RGBG matrix... effective resolution is lower than RGB. Comparing it to an iPhone 4 screen with even higher RGB resolution makes it look worse... so I suggest switching to a phone that has an RGB LCD like the MT4G or something if you don't want to deal with the pixelation. Also, the screen being 4" doesn't help... compared to a condensed 3.5" iPhone display.
CaptCaveman said:
Just got my phone. The txt on the apps and main screens and just about all txt looks very blurry. Pics and such are perfect.
Is this something others are seeing? didn't see anybody mention it elsewhere.
Thanks!
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That's also why I thought 4"+ was too big for 800x480 (S-)AMOLED. I was actually surprised for Samsung keeping that resolution.
Still, at such resolutions, I value vibrant colors more than higher resolution like on the iPhone 4.

Thanks for the info. It seems what's getting me is that images and apps aren't all made for the high res screen. So some look horrible, others don't.
SO I guess the lack of a standard, like iphone, makes not all apps equal.
hmmmmm

The only thing keeping me from getting this phone is the pentile matrix SAMOLED screen

Pretty much everything will be OK for the screen, 800x480 has been in common use for over a year.

You may have a duff one like me. The text on my Galaxy S is very well defined but slightly blurry on my Nexus S with a dodgy screen. Does your screen look a little greeny / yellow when viewed from an angle?

Unless its really bad blurry, its most likely just the pentile sub pixel layout all Samsung amoled screens have, which causes text to look just ever so slightly fuzzy compared to traditional lcd screens with full 3 pixels. It doesn't bother most people, and It's just a trade off we make for having the nice colors from amoled screens for the time being.
Doesn't bother me one bit. But the larger the screen gets at the same resolution, the more noticeable it gets. Next to my nexus one I can definitely notice it more on the 4 inch than the 3.7inch screen.

I have also noticed this "blurry" text, especially small text against a white background, which is almost unreadable. From an angle, the screen also does appear a bit yellowish. This is my first time with a "Galaxy S" phone, so I may just not be used to it... think i have a defective screen? i've been using a Motorola Droid 1 for the past year, fyi...

wuyanks said:
I have also noticed this "blurry" text, especially small text against a white background, which is almost unreadable. From an angle, the screen also does appear a bit yellowish. This is my first time with a "Galaxy S" phone, so I may just not be used to it... think i have a defective screen? i've been using a Motorola Droid 1 for the past year, fyi...
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No I think your screen is just fine. The amoled pentile is particularly blurry compared to the Droid screen which has text that looks razor sharp. So you're just coming from the device that shows this issue most prominently, that's all.

Certainly my Galaxy S with the exact same panel is perfectly readable from many angles.
My Nexus S text is blurry and the screen is yellowish when tilting.

silencer51 said:
The only thing keeping me from getting this phone is the pentile matrix SAMOLED screen
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buy the asian/russian version when it comes out. because it will be SLCD.
you will get what you want.
i like the Super Amoled over the SLCD . i like Ratina over Super Amoled. but to each has his own .

So to you SAMOLED > SLCD, but Retina > SAMOLED. You do know that Retina = LCD right?
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
buy the asian/russian version when it comes out. because it will be SLCD.
you will get what you want.
i like the Super Amoled over the SLCD . i like Ratina over Super Amoled. but to each has his own .
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dinan said:
So to you SAMOLED > SLCD, but Retina > SAMOLED. You do know that Retina = LCD right?
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ofcourse, you understood me wrong. i said the name" retina " because of the pixel density is higher than normal LCDs or SLCDs. but yeah ofcourse i know lol.

Screen Door Effect... WHY GOOGLE/Sammy???
ok, just had a chance to look at the Nexus S... and WTF??? The screen is so pixelated. The screen door effect is horrible. I thought I took a step back in time for a second. The pixelation is soo bad I would never think twice about buying this phone. Why oh why don't these phone makers give the people what they want.
So, Apple comes out with the new retina display, and while it is way too small, it's soo very very very clear. Google's response? This? Come on... WHY? Aren't we suppose to be moving forward? Ok, so it's brighter and uses less power and has a higher refresh rate... WHATS THE POINT IF YOU CANT SEE ANYTHING???? THERE IS NO POINT.
I don't mean to be harsh... I'm not a Nexus hater... I just wish Google would have done a better job for their flagship phone.
Never been happier with my EVO on Cyanogen...

silencer51 said:
The only thing keeping me from getting this phone is the pentile matrix SAMOLED screen
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Get it in another country. In many countries it will come with Super Clear LCD, found on the S8530 Wave II. Super Clear LCD is said to have the advantages of Super AMOLED (sunlight visibility, viewing angle), but wheter that's true or not, it's a really nice display. Look it up on the internet, although I have to warn you, you'll lots of people complaining about the screen because the S8500 Wave I had Super AMOLED.

Screen washed out on Sensation?

I am deliberating on whether to get a refund or ask for a replacement. Along with overheating(or just getting a little too warm) and reboots(twice a screen has come up and stated that "the device has done an improper reset please send info on to HTC) and non responsive screens and lags(My G2x has some of those too.) I now have noticed that the screen on my Sensation is really washed out. I put it on the same live wallpaper on the sensation as the G2X and it just looks really washed out on the Sensation. The viewing angle is extremely small.It reminds me of theMT4G fiasco a while back. I really do like the Sensation and I can put up with the battery running hot etc. but not with washed out screen. Has anyone else had this issue? I am looking for reasons to get a replacement and not just turn it in for a refund. The Sensation is sweet in many areas but I just cannot tolerate a washed out screen. I had the G2x and went through 4 of them before I got a screen that was tolerable. I do not want to go through that again. Any and all input and info is appreciated.

I have compared my Sensation side by side with my G2X to see the difference in screen and I would hardly call the sensation "washed out". The G2X screen is slightly brighter but that's about all the difference I really see. It sounds like (and no offense is intended with this statement) you're one of those people that are going to find a reason to have a complaint. I don't mean that to be offensive I mean that to say, the screen is what it is. If you feel like the screen is washed out, then there is no need for you to waste Sensations that other people could be getting. Just return it and move on to another phone.

doesn't G2X have IPS screen? It's kinda like comparing apple with orange there, you just can't compare the awesome viewing angle (170degree-ish?) on IPS screen with Super LCD.

The screen to me seems washed out, but NOT in comparison to other LED panels, but rather the fact that I was using a galaxy s before and not used to a back light on my phone.
After using it a few days out it hasn't driven me nuts like it has, and I know the only phone that I may like the screen on is the galaxy s2, and that's just the deep blacks, and I prefer the cool color temp vs the warm I notice on this phone.

tenbeau said:
I am deliberating on whether to get a refund or ask for a replacement. Along with overheating(or just getting a little too warm) and reboots(twice a screen has come up and stated that "the device has done an improper reset please send info on to HTC) and non responsive screens and lags(My G2x has some of those too.) I now have noticed that the screen on my Sensation is really washed out. I put it on the same live wallpaper on the sensation as the G2X and it just looks really washed out on the Sensation. The viewing angle is extremely small.It reminds me of theMT4G fiasco a while back. I really do like the Sensation and I can put up with the battery running hot etc. but not with washed out screen. Has anyone else had this issue? I am looking for reasons to get a replacement and not just turn it in for a refund. The Sensation is sweet in many areas but I just cannot tolerate a washed out screen. I had the G2x and went through 4 of them before I got a screen that was tolerable. I do not want to go through that again. Any and all input and info is appreciated.
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I had the same problems with the reboots. I've contacted HTC support and they advised to replace the phone as they don't have any fix for that yet.

Washed out due to the 4.3inch factor.. desire S has the highest contrast for SCLD since its TINY. I feel colours are accurate on the sensation compared to desire s and incredible S
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

I agree the screen gets washed out quickly due to narrow viewing angles. However besides this issue it's an excellent screen, both colours and resolution.
I haven't had any touch issues (not able to move the circle etc) after uninstalling laucher pro and other alternative launchers.
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wouwout said:
I agree the screen gets washed out quickly due to narrow viewing angles. However besides this issue it's an excellent screen, both colours and resolution.
I haven't had any touch issues (not able to move the circle etc) after uninstalling laucher pro and other alternative launchers.
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Is this lockscreen issue happening because of installing other launchers? Are you sure of that? There are people on this forum suffering from that.

Figure_desire said:
Is this lockscreen issue happening because of installing other launchers? Are you sure of that? There are people on this forum suffering from that.
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Yes, I had terrible touch and unlock issues, after moving back to sense and unnstalling it has been fine. For about a week now.

Many HTC phones have the issue where there are Good/Bad screens, hope that is the only problem it has and hopefully no Bad Emmc Chips like on Current htc phones.

I have the Sensation and Galaxy S II here and head-on the difference isn't that huge.
Obviously the colours pop more on the AMOLED and the blacks are very deep, but to be honest I wasn't disappointed with the screen on the Sensation, its certainly sharper, which counts for a lot.
If you look from a tight angle the screen does look extremely washed out, but in real world use you probably are going to be looking at it head-on most of the time.
It could be worse on yours though and your phone could be faulty, so I'd get it replaced and see if the new one is an improvement.

mysterioustko said:
I have compared my Sensation side by side with my G2X to see the difference in screen and I would hardly call the sensation "washed out". The G2X screen is slightly brighter but that's about all the difference I really see. It sounds like (and no offense is intended with this statement) you're one of those people that are going to find a reason to have a complaint. I don't mean that to be offensive I mean that to say, the screen is what it is. If you feel like the screen is washed out, then there is no need for you to waste Sensations that other people could be getting. Just return it and move on to another phone.
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I have experienced washed out screens with the HTC MT4G and after 4 I got one that was not washed out or had screen issues.If you check back in the MT4G thread you will see it was quite an issue and was widespread. I merely was attempting to see if others had the same issue or if it was just the way the screen is(head on fairly good, at an angle not good) so I could make an informed decision as to whether to just send it back or try one more. It appears(no offense intended) that you may be a fan boy who dislikes anyone bringing issues(or questions) to the forefront. I do not mean that to be offensive. I was not complaining but just gathering information concerning the screen so that I would not waste any of your Sensations. I am sure there will be more than enough to go around.

Robboftw said:
I have the Sensation and Galaxy S II here and head-on the difference isn't that huge.
Obviously the colours pop more on the AMOLED and the blacks are very deep, but to be honest I wasn't disappointed with the screen on the Sensation, its certainly sharper, which counts for a lot.
If you look from a tight angle the screen does look extremely washed out, but in real world use you probably are going to be looking at it head-on most of the time.
It could be worse on yours though and your phone could be faulty, so I'd get it replaced and see if the new one is an improvement.
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I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?

Maedhros said:
I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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You can believe what you like. There is no doubt that the SAMOLED screen is the best around (except maybe for the iPhone screen), but the Sensation screen is perfectly acceptable. The benefits of it are the extra resolution which is very noticeable in portrait operation and it is generally sharper and smaller text is much easier on the eye.
The Sensation has worse viewing angles than the non qHD SLCD screens, but head-on there is nothing wrong with it at all. I don't think most people are going to be too concerned about what the screen looks like at a fairly harsh angle. I'm certainly not. If you are, you want AMOLED.

Actually, I find the viewing angles really strange on this phone. I find that in some cases the screen actally performs better slightly off from a perpendicular angle.
For example, when viewing video in landscape on HTC watch. Dead on, the contrast is not great in dark scenes and detail is hard to make out (particularly in faces), but rotated a couple of degrees up or down is much better. I find that lowering the backlight (or using auto-backlight) makes things better for landscape video - note that the battery saver feature likes to disable auto brightness and neglects to re-enable it (i would not be surprised if this is to blame for many people reporting washed out colours, due to backlight being stuck at full power)
I'm not saying the screen is bad - it most certainly is not - but the incredible s has much better (but lower res) screen viewing angles. However, compared to the UK Desire HD screen (which is stardard lcd), the sensation screen is infinitely better.
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Maedhros said:
I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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What he said is absolutely correct. There is not much difference. If you compare them side by side you will see what he means. But yes he is correct.

I've had a MyTouch 4g with the crappy Sharp screen and a Mytouch 4G with the superb Sony screen. The Sensation screen, as far as viewing angles go, is between the two. It's a good screen, but not as good as they Sony screen in the MyTouch. The G2X has better angles and better colors (the G2X is actually a very nice screen, save for uniform black levels) but the Sensation has uniform blacks! I returned my G2X because of the light bleed and so far I'm very pleased with the sensation.

Maedhros said:
I find this extreamly hard to belive.
MANY PEOPLE who have the Desire S and the Inspire S have commented about how much worse the Screen on the Sensation is.
So then how can the SAMOLED screen not have a large difference when Comparing the Infuse (which has a crappier quality SAMOLED screen then the GS2) is a HUGE improvement over the Inspire 4g ?
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Maybe the Sensation having a higher resolution balances out the viewing angle. Here's something I just read earlier today in the engadget review of the Sensation:
In our review of the Galaxy S II, we opined that though its display was of superlative quality, its pixel density left a little something to be desired. The Sensation gives us that extra flourish with a 960 x 540 resolution (35 percent more pixels than on Samsung's 800 x 480 panel) on a Super LCD screen that fails to match the vivid output or viewing angles of its Super AMOLED Plus competitor, but at least maintains a similarly hyperbolic naming scheme. There are two significant advantages to moving up to qHD resolution. The first and most tangible is that you get more of everything: Gmail displays more missives, the browser fits more of your favorite blog's content at a time, the calendar includes more agenda items, and you get to see more of your contacts without having to scroll (11 on the Sensation versus 9 on the WVGA Incredible S screen). Additionally, though the user interface sticks to the standard 16 grid slots for your icons and widgets, having them all in higher resolution lends an extra layer of visual polish, if nothing else. The camera and gallery apps benefit from having more dots to display your compositions and resulting images.
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In terms of the Sensation's output quality, it merits noting that in spite of its 4.3-inch display bearing the same branding as the 4- and 3.7-inch ones on the Incredible S and Desire S, it is not up to the same standard. Viewing angles are the first giveaway, as they're nowhere near as expansive on the Sensation. At 45 degrees away from center, the Sensation's picture washes out, whereas the Incredible S maintains color fidelity until laid almost flat. Additionally, the smaller handset is brighter and better saturated than its newcomer buddy. None of this is to say that HTC has installed a poor LCD on the Sensation, we'd just refrain from calling it a Super one. As to our running tally against the Galaxy S II, the Sensation wins out on resolution, but loses by a big margin when it comes to quality and the sheer feeling of luxury that the GSII provides.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/

[Q] Screen, PenTile, Thoughts?

Hello,
I've been reading these forums for ages and decided it was time to actually share some thoughts.
Since my HD2 broke a few weeks ago I am looking for a new phone. I wanted to buy a GSII or HTC Sensation but after hearing about HTC's One line I decided I could wait another month.
Now I am considering both the One S and the One X.
My thoughts about these phones:
I do not really care about the processor as long as the phone runs smooth, I expect them both to be fine at this point
The lack of a SD-card slot doesn't really bother me as well
A non-removable battery will be something I have to live with
Now the real differences to me are:
Size/form: The one S looks like a way better sized to me. I doubt I could like a phone beyond ~4.5". I also think the black ceramic looks really beautiful. The One X looks good as well, but the vulcano-shaped camera is just ugly to me.
Costs: the One S is a bit cheaper
Display: reading the reviews I think it's easy to conclude the One X is definitely way ahead of the One S
Now my question: Is the qHD Super Amoled Pentile display on the One S really that bad? Sure it might not look good when viewing at 15cm distance. But that won't be the way I will be using the phone. I read about the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus One having a PenTile Amoled screen as well. Though a lot of people complain about the Nexus One, I do not hear that much complains about the Galaxy Nexus' screen. Is this due to the higher resolution?
How would the One S' display look compared to, say, the HD2 800x480 WVGA display?
Can't wait to test them in real life!

Advantages of qHD Pentile SAMOLED:
- Excellent contrast
- True Black
- Colors that pop out of the screen
- In 4.3" is a decent PPI but not best, meaning it will sharp but it could be better (coming from HD2 you shouldn't notice that much difference unless you compare it side by side with a higher resolution screen)
- Longer battery life IF using a lot of black (which ICS uses, but webpages don't)
Disadvantages:
- Not so sharp text (because of Pentile Matrix and not so high resolution combined)
- "Dirty Whites", no matter how well calibrated is the screen white is one of the colors that usually suffer more with Pentile Amoled screens
- Shorter battery life IF surfing the web a lot or using applications with predominant white color
- Poor outdoor performance in shiny days compared with many LCD screens
I'm sure I'm missing some others, but that pretty much sum the pros and cons of SAMOLED screens with Pentile.
And you're right about Galaxy Nexus screen, the only advantage that alleviates the sharpness problem is the higher PPI, but even so the problems are there just less noticeable.

Compared to the HD2s 64K only colors screen I think you will be delighted with any of the newer screens, pentile or not.
I had an Amoled Desire and indeed the pentile layout is a little less sharp but it didn't bother me at all and I will be happily buying a One-S when it becomes available.

You should see what people say about the Droid Razor because that has a qhd samoled pentile screen. Check reviews and stuff, from what I read (very little) the screen isn't that great according to theverge and engadget, but go check it out at the Verizon store and you will have a good idea of how the screen will look. IMO its just a small "issue" because the rest of it is pretty bad ass.
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Yeah, I have a friend who has the RAZR and the screen is pretty shoddy. Its not so much the sharpness, but it has a really strong blue tint if you look at it even slightly tilted. Its not even a tint, white turns into blue. Not sure if that just came from a bad batch but if that's the screen that the One S will have I have to be a bit concerned.
My Vibrant has a slight blue tint as well but its not nearly as strong. If the One S has a screen closer to the Vibrant than the RAZR then it's perfectly fine.

Nice to read your opinions! It's always nice to see how people have totally different opinions about the same thing.
I, really like a sharper, higher resolution screen. I kinda get annoyed when text gets blurred. Yet if it is only really noticeable when taking a closer look I won't mind.. The colored white is something I am a bit worried about though. I quite like the more saturated colors.
I think we can conclude that I (we) will just have to wait to see the device in real life. As long as it does not bother me when watching from a little distance I guess I will take it! Apart from the screen the specs are great and it just looks very very nice..

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim

The Screen seems to be that same like the one in the motorola razzr. I did have the razzr for a few days and i can tell that i didnt like it. Colors were not accurate and in some circumstanced it looked really really bad (red backgroud with text on it)

EddyOS said:
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
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Thanks for the impressions.
I think that this may be a Motorola thing. I had a look at a Droid 3 yesterday and despite it being qHD, it was noticeably more pixelated than my Vibrant at WVGA. I barely notice the pixelation on my phone unless I really look for it. Does Samsung provide these screens? Maybe they're sabotaging their competitors?

doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x

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doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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You'll never notice a difference between two small screens from a far distance, remember you use a phone very close to your face, and even then not everybody see things in the same way and some people claim not being able to notice the pentile pixelation (others like me see it).

For me the pentile SAMOLED is good if not the best... I have a Galaxy S and I found the screen to be pretty good(Was using LCD droid before).. Anyways gsmarena reported the pentile screen of the One S to be better than earlier pentile screens.They said HTC used some of its tech on the screen resulting in better pentile SAMOLED.. Btw am also planning to buy the One S .. Very disappointed by Samsung support.
Here is the article on the One S screen
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s_and_one_x_displays_detailed-news-3940.php

Yeah it's kinda weird how everyone is really positive about the One S' screen. It sounds like it has the same screen as the razzr, and a lot of people complain about Motorola's screen.
Anyway, maybe they improved the PenTile performances. We'll see soon enough!

I think Motorola just does a poor job calibrating their screens. I have no problem with the Pentile screen on the Vibrant. Its obviously no retina display but it's very sharp considering the screen size and resolution.
The only thing that sort of bugs me about the screen is how saturated everything is. Some people like that but I would prefer more natural tones. This is just personal preference though.

As an owner of AMOLED desire, i can say that its the best! It depends a lot on when and where you use your phone most. For me, thats in office and in my room at night.
Especially in a dark room, nothing can compare to the infinite contrast and excellent blacks of SAMOLED screens. Also very good for showing pictures to others, as they appear vibrant.
I guess my 2nd preference would be the IPS display from LG (like the one on Optimus 2X).

One VERY annoying aspect of SuperAMOLED is the burn in and wear.
I had an SGS before and the black statusbar got burned into the screen after 3-4 months of use.
It won't go away no matter what and it gets super annoying when holding the phone in landscape and watching video.
The wearing of the screen makes the colors less vibrant and not as bright.
I did love AMOLED before it burned in but after that I couldn't take it anymore so I got a sensation and passed my SGS down to my little sister.

I'm not sure that is normal.. though all screens can get some degree of burn in, it shouldn't be permanent.
Could be just a bad phone?
Both me and wife have amoled phones (me desire, her sgs) and don't notice any Burn in.
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda premium

It would be nice to know how the screen compares to say a SGS

I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.

Jazd71 said:
I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I am thinking about both One X and One S, but screen is really important for me, because I had iPhone 4S for more than a month and can say, that I see so many pixels now So the question is, can you see pixels on One S screen? Is it sharp and clear?

My Video Review - One S vs. iPhone 4

Hey guys, I did a lengthy review of the One S and iPhone 4 - Apologies for the lighting, the camera I was using wasn't functioning properly in bright light so I had to lower the lighting in the room. However the video is emphasizing the OS' on both handsets and YouTube will allow it to go up to 720p streaming quality.
Clearly, there can only be "One" winner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueGM716rVTA

I almost quit your video when you talked about the screens...
Under 1.5' you CLEARLY see the PenTile crap on the One S. There's no way to see a damn 1px line on that phone, it will display a dotted line...
Otherwise we have more or less the same thoughts about our phones.

NienorGT said:
I almost quit your video when you talked about the screens...
Under 1.5' you CLEARLY see the PenTile crap on the One S. There's no way to see a damn 1px line on that phone, it will display a dotted line...
Otherwise we have more or less the same thoughts about our phones.
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Yeah if you know about it, you'll notice it.
However most consumers aren't aware of what a Pentile screen is, so they'll hardly notice it unless they're being told to look for it.
Honestly it's only an issue with home screen icons and some text when zoomed out. Video and pictures look crisp and clear as day, as do games. The whites do tend to be unbalanced, but that's more or less the blending of S-Amoled and Pentile. The Amaze, which is non-pentile and sports an S-LCD qHD display, definitely is the sharper of the two displays. But the colors and lack of any screen bleed (which you get on the Amaze) makes the One S tops in comparison. I'm a fan of the retina display, I'm just not a fan of the screen size, and I emphasize that in the video.
Thanks for watching.

Can you explain more about pentile. I don't see what so bad about it.
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AttachedSilver said:
Can you explain more about pentile. I don't see what so bad about it.
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Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.

NienorGT said:
Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.
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It doesn't matter since ima get the Galaxy S3 anyways
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It still a PenTile screen lol... But if you don't notice something wrong with the One S you will certainly not see a problem with the GSIII since the resolution is much densier.

NienorGT said:
It still a PenTile screen lol... But if you don't notice something wrong with the One S you will certainly not see a problem with the GSIII since the resolution is much densier.
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seriously? Then I guess ill go back to my one X. I was gonna switch back anyways since it has a larger display and more memory, but just wanted to know about pentile
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NienorGT said:
Err, well if you don't see a problem with your phone's screen you are better to not start looking to know why some have issues with it.
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Yeah I would advise that as well.
I never noticed it until I read up about it, then it was a never ending mission to analyze sub pixels. It got to the point where I had to de-program myself from noticing, and since the One S does have as vibrant of a screen as it does, I've been able to overlook it.
Though I agree that in comparison to a non-pentile like the Amaze, you will notice it. In comparison to Retina, you'll definitely see coloration issues with the way the pentile portrays whites.
With that said, I really don't think it's as bad as people make seem, specifically on a 720p screen. I never noticed it on my G-Nexus, though I did get quite annoyed with the yellow/blue tint/hue that the whites put out. That bothered me much more then pentile, bar none. To each their own, everyone has a different set of eyes and will see things differently. In a way, I'm beginning to like the pentile because it makes icons and text come out a bit sharper, and just seem more comfortable for my pair of eyes.
The Amaze, and even a display like the G2X's with IPS really had no problems with the jagged edges and such on icons, and though the SGS2 Hercules has a 480x800 resolution, it was non-pentile Super Amoled Plus, which imo was the best in the market for that specific resolution. But where the Amaze was good with rendering smooth icons/text, it was bad rendering blacks and dark colors, because of the S-LCD screen bleed that was prevalent with the capacitive button lights. Once you turn them off though, you won't notice it.

Amoled vs LCD ...The truth? Video inside

Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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And here some interesting related info provided (once again) by Barry:
BarryH_GEG said:
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…​
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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betoNL said:
Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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I only buy Samsung because of the AMOLED screens.
it's true there will eventually be some bluish pixel burn-in after you have used the phone for a good 3 or more years
and it doesn't seem to affect all AMOLED screens, but specific to the 5 color ones, the S-AMOLED seems unaffected by it.
I'm basing that from my old AMOLED i9000 and Nexus S vs. the S-AMOLED on the S2
As for color accuracy, I like the more vivid color provided by the AMOLED than the LCD / S-LCD

Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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magik300 said:
Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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even after learning what they do to the LCD displays?
you will probably have to run your own tests to see which phone has a correct LCD display, or waiting until some one has done a Gamut color level review on it before getting one.
at least with AMOLED you know what to expect.

I will not go into fight any about this, but after using both AMOLED and LCD, I simply don't find LCD 'interesting'.
But if we really want to go deep into technical analysis, you will find that a AMOLED display is considered to be the best display commercially available now. Check Samsung's new OLED TV KN55S9C reviews. Every reviews (including consumer reports) have mentioned that this has the best picture quality available right now.

I am going to be honest here and put my hands up and say I was not aware OLED screens are still affected by burn-in - but it makes sense.
I think I am going to cancel my pre-order of the Note 3, things like this really put me off - I love my nexus 4 screen and I think I may now wait out the Nexus 5 which will in all likelihood have IPS.

My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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betoNL said:
My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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Yeah, screens have come a long way since even my galaxy nexus, which I didn't like it always looked greenish to me. But I played with a note 2 and that screen is great, the gs4 is even better, screens are largely a personal preference but give me true black any day

Interesting find. Gonna have to look for something to replace all the JellyBean blues on the new phone to ensure longevity. Tbh I haven't noticed anything on my current 1.5 yr old amoled phone or the 3 yr old phone before that. But I have noticed how much I enjoy the color, over saturated or not. An Apple genius bar friend had severe screen envy when he saw the size and colors lol.
Only downside has been viewability in sunlight to where I have to drag brightness all the way up to get a decent picture.

Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…​
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.

The chick in the video seems to like making videos about this very same topic every now and then, not sure why she's obsessing over this topic.
Erica move on, is this the only topic you could throw out there to actually sound like you're smart?
Who gives a hoot about the difference it's all a matter of preference and now let's move on to something else.
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Regardless of what the sales and marketing terms are, the simple fact is all current and future Samsung devices have made the switch to "Super AMOLED" based panels so do not concern yourself with any BLED burn-in. This so-called issue was addressed several generations ago when AMOLED was still under testing and Samsung is among the best when it comes to yield/performance.
With that said, both the Samsung and T-Mobile sites show the final NS3 specs, which includes the use of their "Super AMOLED Display".
All is good and here in San Diego, CA, both T-Mobile and Verizon retail stores are sticking with October 1st and 2nd (respectively) as the official release.
Scott
References:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/samsung-mobile-unpacked-event-2013/
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html

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Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…​
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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Gonna add this info tomorrow to the first post....
Nighty night

Transparent notification bars ftw
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)

Well gn3 might be my first samoled device, but in all honesty I don't really give a damn since in about a year or max 2 I'll get a new device anyways. Disposable
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hackarchive said:
I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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Who said saturation is bad? And when did wide colour gamut become a bad thing? Even with a wider gamut, AMOLED still can't cover full range of visible colour space. Even if someone pushes to Adobe RGB or NTSC colour space, I think its good.
AMOLED covers more green-yellow-cyan range. Remember that the eye is more sensitive to yellowish-green light than other colors. G2 is over-saturating the colours, but it can't show additional colours like AMOLED as it's inherently restricted to show just near sRGB space. Why restrict ourself to sRGB when it was designed for CRT monitors?? But the fact remains that AMOLED can show more colours compared to LCD. And that's a good thing.
Reviews have proved that the best available display right now is OLED display. Samsung's OLED TV KN55S9C is considered to have the best picture quality. Saying AMOLED is bad is pure non-sense.

A very irritating woman - Take with a pinch of salt

hackarchive said:
.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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LOL...There is no High-end device with better battery performance than the GNote2...Totally energy efficient and the screen is gorgeous....
Maybe the GNote3 will have better battery performance, but that remains to be seen ...
And I hope you really did understand the new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels thing, mentioned just a couple of posts before yours....
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hackarchive said:
Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.
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Here's my opinion. I could give a crap whether a device I want to purchase has AMOLED or LCD. All I want is a good high quality display. There are crappy LCD displays (there are tons of posts in the One and Z1 forums about display issues) and crappy AMOLED displays. Truthfully, on a 4.7-6" canvas the amount of energy devoted to examining nuances in displays is comical. AMOLED has far superior contrast, bolder colors, better reflectance, better viewing angles and uses less energy on dark colors. LCD produces truer colors (depending on OEM calibration choices), is brighter, and uses less energy on light colors. The hardest part of going from AMOLED to LCD for me is the drop in contrast and greyish blacks which are unavoidable. If the N3 had a high quality LCD display I'd be totally fine with it. More important than the display is what it's attached to and I happen to be happy with Samsung's products. I'm not buying a display; I'm buying the high-end mobile device it's a component of. And the displays in Sony and HTC's phones are all made by Sharp-Renasys or JDI anyway.
And as you ridicule AMOLED, ask yourself why Motorola (Google) used it in the Moto X which is the most important phone they've ever released.
Like LCD? Bully, buy a LCD-equipped phone. Like AMOLED, buy a phone that has it. If you're happy I'm happy for you.