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If you are interested, there is an opportunity to provide your perspective on ViewSonic's decision to provide support for your G-Tablet device on Facebook.
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Steve
It may amount to nothing, but at least we have an area to vent where Viewsonic is at least reading it. Granted, it could be (and most likely is) some summer intern that's just posting canned responses to our complaints, but at least that's better than being ignored by their customer service area.
I can't, sorry. Viewsonic blocked me on FB as well as twitter.
I expressed my concerns on the nvidia developer forum. Will on Facebook as well.
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Right now, nvidia is pointing its finger at viewsonic saying viewsonic isn't supporting the gtab. Viewsonic is pointing its finger at nvidia saying nvidia won't support the harmony tegra 2 beyond 2.2.
Have you ever called for support and then get redirected endlessly to another line only to go in a big circle and end up where you originally were?
I firmly believe nothing will ever come out of our complaints.
I've mentioned this before elsewhere. Both our acer iconia tab and asus transformer have gotten updates after updates. My g/f's transformer recently got an update for her dock free of charge after customer complaints that the dock was draining battery. Asus engineering team came up with a way to put the dock to sleep when not in use and offered the hardware update free of charge.
Mean while, we have gotten nada from VS in the last 7 months.
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Right now, nvidia is pointing its finger at viewsonic saying viewsonic isn't supporting the gtab. Viewsonic is pointing its finger at nvidia saying nvidia won't support the harmony tegra 2 beyond 2.2.
Have you ever called for support and then get redirected endlessly to another line only to go in a big circle and end up where you originally were?
I firmly believe nothing will ever come out of our complaints.
I've mentioned this before elsewhere. Both our acer iconia tab and asus transformer have gotten updates after updates. My g/f's transformer recently got an update for her dock free of charge after customer complaints that the dock was draining battery. Asus engineering team came up with a way to put the dock to sleep when not in use and offered the hardware update free of charge.
Mean while, we have gotten nada from VS in the last 7 months.
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Nivida hasn't made a statement sine the April fiasco. I don't rst thatViewonic ever actually spoke wiht anyone at Nvidia regarding drivers. they claim that they did, simply ot shut us up.
The only thing we can do now, is leave negative reviews on as many sites as we can for the potential lack of support for their products. Even just a few people deciding not to urase frm Viewsonic would make difference.
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I can't, sorry. Viewsonic blocked me on FB as well as twitter.
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well apparantly if you voice your opinion too much they will dete your posts and make is so you cannot post their facebook page anymore. i have been banned for simply asking "I have just one single question for Viewsonic (that i know will be ignored or deleted)..... With the "less than desirable" support i and others have recieved for your GTablet product, why would i spend any more money with you and buy a Ventana??" so now the only place i can post is to the "recomendations" section.
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well apparantly if you voice your opinion too much they will dete your posts and make is so you cannot post their facebook page anymore. i have been banned for simply asking "I have just one single question for Viewsonic (that i know will be ignored or deleted)..... With the "less than desirable" support i and others have recieved for your GTablet product, why would i spend any more money with you and buy a Ventana??" so now the only place i can post is to the "recomendations" section.
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They banned you for that? Ouch. I'm surprised they haven't deleted my comments yet, then. I figured I was skirting with a ban, but no worries - I'll keep posting there every few days until they do.
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They banned you for that? Ouch. I'm surprised they haven't deleted my comments yet, then. I figured I was skirting with a ban, but no worries - I'll keep posting there every few days until they do.
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thanks... hope someone keeps up the fight!!!
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They banned you for that? Ouch. I'm surprised they haven't deleted my comments yet, then. I figured I was skirting with a ban, but no worries - I'll keep posting there every few days until they do.
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They're not stoopid. You're too high profile to ban. Banning you will cause a fire storm. Just like banning me will cause a fire storm also. And trust me, if I get banned it will definitely go on the front page of my website. And based on how many visitors I get, it will be a PR nightmare for them.
I don't think I will be a blip on their radar, to be honest.
Before their April CS change / support drop / abandonment, I had some pull over there (I think). CS knew me and we had a decent rapport, and I even had the ear of at least one manager over in VS R&D. But something definitely happened in April - I don't know what it was, but my guess is that somebody in middle or upper management looked over the costs and and profit margins for the GTAB, and basically said "cut this one loose". There was a very quick, and very noticeable (at least to me) change in how they treated their GTAB customer base. And, so far, that has not changed yet.
They even had a presence here in XDA, back in December / January. But I haven't seen anyone from VS post here in a VERY long time.
goodintentions/living enzyme, has something happen to your Facebook account? Can't find you on the Facebook campaign page and your posts in the Viewsonic forum has also disappeared. Just want to know if you are interest in being an Admin on the Facebook campaign or can recommend someone here for the job.
I'm having my man period. Very emotionally unstable. Decided to disable my facebook account.
By the way, thanks for condering me. Unfortunately, my life is very busy. My schedule also very erratic. This is not to mention the times I have to sleep on the couch due to monthly biology.
LOL. It's good to have you back.
I had some trouble locating this post. Saw you pop up again on FB and was about to ask again the same thing.
So can you think of any who might be interest in taking over running the campaign? How about this guy/gal? I just never notice him/her before. S/He certainly has the enthusiam.
I feel like I have taken the campaign as far as I can go. Time for some fresh blood.
Keep in mind that there are several layers, here - the one I complain about the most is continued Froyo support. This is also the thing I believe is the most likely to be fixed, especially since there are UAT releases out there, already. It's just a question of the various companies working out their issues and green-lighting it.
The Gingerbread / HC requests are a different animal. The reason why is because it's not just Viewsonic's headache, it's all the other companies that are using a Harmony board, including Notion Ink. NONE of them have source from Nvidia, and none have HC source from either Nvidia or Google. Not that they shouldn't try, of course, but I don't see this happening anytime soon (if at all).
I'd be satisfied with a new fully released and supported Froyo stock ROM, at this point. It would show that Viewsonic and their vendors are still supporting their users - it wouldn't make a big impact here since we modded their ROMs already, but a released 1.2bl that "stuck" would at least push development into that direction even more.
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The Gingerbread / HC requests are a different animal. The reason why is because it's not just Viewsonic's headache, it's all the other companies that are using a Harmony board, including Notion Ink. NONE of them have source from Nvidia, and none have HC source from either Nvidia or Google. Not that they shouldn't try, of course, but I don't see this happening anytime soon (if at all).
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Nickos over at Slatedroid share a similar view as this. To the best of your knowledge, is NVIDIA deliberately withholding Gingerbread or it just so happen that people on Harmony are more interest in getting Honeycomb/tablet OS? Has Notion Ink mention anything about bringing GB to the Adam?
Notion Ink had a GB alpha, but it has the same hardware acceleration issues as CM7. I believe they've since scrapped that and have concentrated on Honeycomb.
I honestly don't know what's going on, but my best guess is that Nvidia doesn't want to put in the resources to support GB on Harmony (no matter what they say in writing). The reason why I feel this way is because there are several vendors affected, and I suspect that Notion Ink, in particular, would want these drivers. But this is only a guess.
It's also possible that Notion Ink is beholden to another company to lean on Nvidia - perhaps Flextronics? We know that Viewsonic has this issue, but not sure about NI. There's a lot about this whole sorry mess that I don't really understand, to be honest.
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Keep in mind that there are several layers, here - the one I complain about the most is continued Froyo support. This is also the thing I believe is the most likely to be fixed, especially since there are UAT releases out there, already. It's just a question of the various companies working out their issues and green-lighting it.
The Gingerbread / HC requests are a different animal. The reason why is because it's not just Viewsonic's headache, it's all the other companies that are using a Harmony board, including Notion Ink. NONE of them have source from Nvidia, and none have HC source from either Nvidia or Google. Not that they shouldn't try, of course, but I don't see this happening anytime soon (if at all).
I'd be satisfied with a new fully released and supported Froyo stock ROM, at this point. It would show that Viewsonic and their vendors are still supporting their users - it wouldn't make a big impact here since we modded their ROMs already, but a released 1.2bl that "stuck" would at least push development into that direction even more.
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As usual, Roebeet, I believe you've nailed it. I realize margins in this stuff is pitiful but it's hard to believe Viewsonic hasn't seen they've done the hard parts already in gearing up a staff to do a Tegra tablet. Get a better screen and be the full featured kindle fire of the line. I think all the 500+ tablets will fail unless they get much more functional, but the 200-300 market is there for the taking if a decent company went after it. Kindle fire and the plethora of manufacturers will make it hard to win, but it is winable. In their defense, I must admit, it all looks like a losing proposition until the field gets trimmed a bit.
And, supporting a full blown Froyo would be a great support step.
Thinking maybe things may change for the better for the gtab once ics source code is released. Hoping we can see that on the gtab with some support from nvidea. I'm just guessing that the reason why HC wasn't released or supported on the gtab was because the source for HC never was released. i know the devs will have better progress with ics since they will have the source with it then they did with HC so I believe one way or another we will get ics on the gtab and hopefully get the support from nvidea or viewsonic back
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Thinking maybe things may change for the better for the gtab once ics source code is released. Hoping we can see that on the gtab with some support from nvidea. I'm just guessing that the reason why HC wasn't released or supported on the gtab was because the source for HC never was released. i know the devs will have better progress with ics since they will have the source with it then they did with HC so I believe one way or another we will get ics on the gtab and hopefully get the support from nvidea or viewsonic back
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IThe source code of gingerbread was released also and we still couldn't have a GB rom with hardware acceleration and camera working, so I really dont think that having the source code of ICS will help so much .
Our last hopes are the devs who are working in the development of a fully functional kernel for HC, if they can do it for HC for sure they could do it with ICS...but I'm not too optimisic
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Guy who posted a few days ago that he was going to release Android on touchpad instuctions via youtube faked it. Today he posted a new video ending in "go buy an Ipad". The whole thing was a setup.
Kinda crappy if you asked me.
Here is his channel. I say everyone give him a thumbs down.
http://www.youtube.com/user/AndroidGuy31
OMFG.......I was so excited about this and now...........sigh.......
let's not be so darn absolute
that was one user not indicative of any users on rootzwiki who do have natively running android versions on their touchpad thanks to qualcomm
the title is very misleading
The guy was full of BS from day one. He had no proof unlike the guy who has actual video (3 in fact) showing android running on his TP. A good dev should be able to rip that thing apart and get what we need to build an android os. I'm just glad that tablet ended up in the hands of someone who knew it was special. It could have been given to a 6 year old girl to watch Barbie movies on and parents who would not know the difference. Can you imagine if it fell into the hands of Tosh? FOURRRRRRRR!
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let's not be so darn absolute
that was one user not indicative of any users on rootzwiki who do have natively running android versions on their touchpad thanks to qualcomm
the title is very misleading
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Nothing was absolute. My post was about the idiot who scammed everyone. Not anyone on rootzwiki.
Btw, I changed title just for you.
haha i knew that first video was BS
there's no way a dev would go through the effort of making a stupid teaser video without showing off ANY of their work.
Drawing and quartering is too good for that AndroidGuy31 person. He's probably been hacked so many times he's regretting leading folks on though at this point.
This thread title is a bit misleading. Edit?
On day 1 there were no less than 2-3 videos showing android running on the Touchpad. While a few called fake at the top of their lungs (and this android31 guy or whatever seems to be fake as hell) the other video was 100% legit.
Qualcomm Innovations apparently was using blank Touchpads as a work platform for software testing for an upcoming HTC tablet with very similar specs. Meaning they had a nearly fully functional port of android running on it. A number of these have made it out to the market somehow in this firesale, and at least one guy in TX has already posted willing to upload an image of his build.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLZHH50V7
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This thread title is a bit misleading. Edit?
On day 1 there were no less than 2-3 videos showing android running on the Touchpad. While a few called fake at the top of their lungs (and this android31 guy or whatever seems to be fake as hell) the other video was 100% legit.
Qualcomm Innovations apparently was using blank Touchpads as a work platform for software testing for an upcoming HTC tablet with very similar specs. Meaning they had a nearly fully functional port of android running on it. A number of these have made it out to the market somehow in this firesale, and at least one guy in TX has already posted willing to upload an image of his build.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLZHH50V7
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Im not changing the title every time someone thinks its misleading. Thats why you open it and READ it. I posted a link to the video I am refering to in my OP.
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Im not changing the title every time someone thinks its misleading. Thats why you open it and READ it. I posted a link to the video I am refering to in my OP.
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Your title makes it sound like there is just one video out there making this claim. That's the only reason I took issue with it, because it misleads people slightly. Someone just cross-posted in the thread I just made about the qualcomm port saying offhand that the other two videos I was discussing were faked. I don't think they are, and in any case they're entirely different from the video you're talking about.
AndroidGuy31 made a fake vid. More impressive is that there are now 3 videos of a functional android 2.2.1 port on youtube, one android touchpad listed on ebay, and one guy offering to image his for the community on a dev board. So either 3 people all spontaneously decided to hoax people with the same Android builds and situations, or maybe HP really did let some of the QI tablets out into the wild during this firesale, during which their shipping could barely handle demand. I really don't think the guys at the HP warehouses were paying attention what stack the box came from.
It's your thread though, I won't bring it up again. Just figured I'd ask since it'd be helpful.
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Your title makes it sound like there is just one video out there making this claim. That's the only reason I took issue with it, because it misleads people slightly. Someone just cross-posted in the thread I just made about the qualcomm port saying offhand that the other two videos I was discussing were faked. I don't think they are, and in any case they're entirely different from the video you're talking about.
AndroidGuy31 made a fake vid. More impressive is that there are now 3 videos of a functional android 2.2.1 port on youtube, one android touchpad listed on ebay, and one guy offering to image his for the community on a dev board. So either 3 people all spontaneously decided to hoax people with the same Android builds and situations, or maybe HP really did let some of the QI tablets out into the wild during this firesale, during which their shipping could barely handle demand. I really don't think the guys at the HP warehouses were paying attention what stack the box came from.
It's your thread though, I won't bring it up again. Just figured I'd ask since it'd be helpful.
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Were cool bro. I am as excited about the port as you are. I guess I put too much hope into that guys vid and expected too much. Now I am still skeptical about these guys who have magically received tablets with android already on them. Seems a bit far fetched, but thats just my oppinion.
You also have a valid point about the other vids. Until they are proven fake, I guess we have to go with them. I do not want to spread false rumors or info so I went ahead and changed the title again.
Apparently the videos from that one guy may have been fake but the fact that someone had a touchpad with android on it is not fake. The dump of android 2.2.1 from a touchpad has now been posted on another dev forum. Let the waiting and anticipation continue!
I am certain majority of users here are aware of this, but someone new like myself or lazy, it is not as easy to jump and look at Transformer Prime forum. So here is the link to ASUS representative news post on the Transformer Prime Forum and two ASUS representatives forum IDs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673598
Asus_USA (Tien Phan)
Gary Key
The main reason I am posting this is as someone else suggested, it is important for us to speak up and let them know the issue(s) exist and as user we are concerned. Infinity is a phenomenal device, and since we have rep here why not use the advantage.
I am sending message my own for PDF & File copying from PC, and significant lag/stall while installing application issues right now. They are for sure aware of these (especially latter two) but more we vocalize I believe better chance we get them fixed sooner.
Thanks
Before jb update i sent an email to Asus asking a few questions. They promise a reply within 48 hrs. 10 days latter i got a response which is actually faster than the last time. They did not answer my questions, they did however inform me i was unlocked. They did directed me to some info which i didn't bother with.
I was not unlocked at the time email, and the only reason i unlocked was all the problems i was having with jb update. I was only able to update and remain rooted through the help of the many good people on xda.
I don't tell these people thank you enough. Big shout out to the people of xda.
If you don't want Asus to know you have to keep modem off until you remove the programs that send info to Asus. Please post names i forgot them.
I tried to, but info got out anyway.
Woody
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Kind of scary...
You can't unlock while not connected to the internet. The software checks in with their servers to do the unlock, so of course they know.
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Before jb update i sent an email to Asus asking a few questions. They promise a reply within 48 hrs. 10 days latter i got a response which is actually faster than the last time. They did not answer my questions, they did however inform me i was unlocked. They did directed me to some info which i didn't bother with.
I was not unlocked at the time email, and the only reason i unlocked was all the problems i was having with jb update. I was only able to update and remain rooted through the help of the many good people on xda.
I don't tell these people thank you enough. Big shout out to the people of xda.
If you don't want Asus to know you have to keep modem off until you remove the programs that send info to Asus. Please post names i forgot them.
I tried to, but info got out anyway.
Woody
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As was said above the unlock tool HAS to verify with ASUS before unlocking your device. It sends ASUS a copy of your tabs S/N so that ASUS knows to no longer offer warranty services. What happened was they didn't get to your email until after the unlock, and when they pulled up the S/N on your email it flagged as unlocked device. I have not heard of anyone unlocking and ASUS not knowing.
Isn't this akin to contacting Apple support with a jailbroken iPad.
Eh, I'm okay with burning my warranty because of unlocking. It says multiple times, and in big letters, that you'll no longer be covered under their manufacturers warranty if you choose to unlock it. This really makes sense from a business standpoint, because there is a lot you can do to this tablet once it's unlocked, and a good chance of bricking. They don't want to devote the time or the money to support everything that can go wrong when you start flashing 3rd party roms, so they cut it out entirely.
Does it suck? Sure. Unlocking voids warranties on every phone though, just many manufacturers don't notice or take it in to account. Also, there have been accounts of people still getting service on their device even when it has been unlocked.
I like to think of it like this: I buy a car that has a highly customizable computer (timing, fuel mix, etc). This is fine, but I want more acute control of the settings, so I buy a mod chip to stick on there to gain low level access to settings that weren't necessarily designed to be modified outside their norms, even though the engine can take the modifications. In the process of tweaking the timing, I totally burn out the engine. Should I expect the manufacturer to fix my car now, since I just bought it? No, it was my fault it broke.
I realize that this is an analogy that falls short in many places. Android is, of course, FOSS, but it is designed to run on embedded systems. More and more these tablets and phones are given hardware more akin to an actual computer, so maybe the mindset of manufacturers should shift away from an embedded system and more to computers, but we're not there yet.
I haven't had a situation where I had to send in one of my unlocked Android devices for a software bricking, but I imagine most manufacturers will send it right back if they see that I unlocked it. Essentially Asus is cutting out that step by recording the serial number upon unlock. It's pretty big-brotherish, but they're not actively monitoring the information on our device. There was/is a big controversy over DMClient having access to all our information, but you can see exactly what information it is by going to devicetracker.asus.com (Note: Don't create an account if you don't want your information reported).
I'm sorry this has gotten a bit TL/DR. None of us like the idea of being punished for doing something we think should be a given Android right. It's important to keep in mind though that we're buying an Asus device running Android, not a Nexus device (regardless of the manufacturer). Asus reserves the right to provide any warranty they please, they're selling us this device after all. If you don't like their methods, they're well documented by now, maybe you should look in to another device. Asus doesn't care about you, or your information, they care about the products they're making and selling, and they'll support that product in any way they see fit. This isn't apologetic, this is just how it is.
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I was a little surprised this came up so fast. i could understand checking on a return but an email. Another thing they had to do is cross reference my email. I gave them no tablet info. I am registered. Ill use a different email next time.
I understood the risks when i did it and had pretty much decided root was enough. If i hadnt had such a hassle upgrading who knows. Now im glad i did. Having a great time with clean rom.
Woody
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Isn't this akin to contacting Apple support with a jailbroken iPad.
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Seems more like contacting apple and because its been 10 days you jailbreak it and then they respond 'duh! your jailbroken!'
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Is it Possible ?
> i saw the specs of the ASUS Vivo Tab RT TF600T-B1-GR 32GB 10.1-Inch Tablet - Gray
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230664
So am wondering someone smarter then me ( eveyone ) ,,,, would have fixed/figured a way to LOAD Windows8 on the TF700
Specs seems nearly same (pity windows can only do 1200 x800res)...
think it be a SUPER NICE to have such a beast !
cheers
This is a question, so it belongs in the Q&A-section.
Legally you cannot install Windows 8 RT on another tablet that doesn't come with it and Ilegally it's really hard because Windows 8 RT requires to have a secure boot on the tablet so you can only run Windows 8 RT
The real question is Ubuntu and Android possible?
And also you shouldnt forget that we on our tf700t have only 1gig of ram, and winRT seemingly needs 2...
Cherokee4Life said:
The real question is Ubuntu and Android possible?
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(Too) short answer: no.
Slightly longer answer: this will probably not happen for a looooooooooooong time to come, if ever.
EDIT: it is available in an early alpha (it did take a long time, however).
MartyHulskemper said:
(Too) short answer: no.
Slightly longer answer: this will probably not happen for a looooooooooooong time to come, if ever.
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Medium answer - Don't hijack a thread with a topic that has two other threads about it (at least two )
I'm interested in this as well. MS has be pretty developer friendly with W8, so potentially it might/someone else might do it. The question of legality might be answered by purchasing a license if they will sell them independently - just like bootcamping a Mac.
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Legally you cannot install Windows 8 RT on another tablet that doesn't come with it and Ilegally it's really hard because Windows 8 RT requires to have a secure boot on the tablet so you can only run Windows 8 RT
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I haven't seen this software agreement or license... Proof or it didn't happen!
Some of us have nvflash. If we can get a full blob off of an rt device, who knows? As a wise lamp once said, "fact is, there just isn't enough fact!"
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Some of us have nvflash. If we can get a full blob off of an rt device, who knows?
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You may know that even with NVFlash, you cannot scrape the (Android) bootloader from one TF700 and run it on another one, because it is encrypted with a device-specific key. I expect something similar on the RT devices.
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I haven't seen this software agreement or license... Proof or it didn't happen!
Some of us have nvflash. If we can get a full blob off of an rt device, who knows? As a wise lamp once said, "fact is, there just isn't enough fact!"
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You're a free person, so you can wish reality away as much as you want. The main trouble is with the manufacturers locking down their devices down more and more. Again, this will not happen -- at least not until a long time from now -- and if it does, your TF700 will be EOL. You'll have gone off to another device by then, as the developers will have. No developers and only leechers left = no progression and only nagging, and a broken community.
I think my intent was misunderstood. It is really fashionable to act as though you know it all, and insist that others believe as you do. No one thought the HD2 would go the way it did when it was released, but look at how far it went. There are countless other devices that never had anything cool happen with them though. I will reiterate my point with clarification: Without having devices and software to try things with, nothing will happen. With devices and software to try things with, things might or might not happen. But pretending that you have all the answers, good or bad, is just plain ignorant. Uncertainty abounds here, even in the face of a likely void of development or effort.
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The tf600 running android would be great
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I think my intent was misunderstood. It is really fashionable to act as though you know it all, and insist that others believe as you do. No one thought the HD2 would go the way it did when it was released, but look at how far it went. There are countless other devices that never had anything cool happen with them though. I will reiterate my point with clarification: Without having devices and software to try things with, nothing will happen. With devices and software to try things with, things might or might not happen. But pretending that you have all the answers, good or bad, is just plain ignorant. Uncertainty abounds here, even in the face of a likely void of development or effort.
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I seem to have missed your post, and with the risk of being dubbed a digital necrophile, I will take the chance of replying.
I do not know your background or justification for calling someone else ignorant, but I will would call that an arrogant stance. "Clarify" all you wish, but -- the fact that I actually agree with your statement that with no one trying and/or possibly sacrificing his/her device in the process for the common good nothing will ever come about notwithstanding -- I do not see you volunteer your device for that purpose either.
Yes, uncertainty abounds all over the world in any field of human endeavour you can think of -- I'm actually a scientist myself so I know this is, unfortunately, a fact -- but that's just stating the blatantly obvious.
I know this is old
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I seem to have missed your post, and with the risk of being dubbed a digital necrophile, I will take the chance of replying.
I do not know your background or justification for calling someone else ignorant, but I will would call that an arrogant stance. "Clarify" all you wish, but -- the fact that I actually agree with your statement that with no one trying and/or possibly sacrificing his/her device in the process for the common good nothing will ever come about notwithstanding -- I do not see you volunteer your device for that purpose either.
Yes, uncertainty abounds all over the world in any field of human endeavour you can think of -- I'm actually a scientist myself so I know this is, unfortunately, a fact -- but that's just stating the blatantly obvious.
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I know this is an older thread but .........
I am seeing a great price on one of these and am wondering if it is possible to remove windows 8 rt and replace it with android........