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webOS for android? might sound dumb but is it even possible?

ok saw a post on the sprint hero boards and wanted to ask over here aswell since the g1 area has a lot more developers for it.
would porting webOS to an android phone seem possible? I had a palm pre for a bit was cool and fast, I like android more but the thought of running it would be cool

Noooooooooo

You mean porting over apps?
or running webOS on your phone?

In a word:
No.
In more words:
We need drivers. There are no WebOS drivers for Android devices. Many of the existing drivers that we need are proprietary, meaning (and I'm not sure on this part) most likely the hardware specifications necessary to write drivers are closed as well. If they are not closed, it would be possible--but not for a team of geeks like XDA. You'd need a major entity, like Google, to do it, which won't happen. Besides, not all of WebOS is completely open-source, just like not ALL of what goes into Android phones is. It's just not possible--even if the driver issue could be overcome, which it can't.
Yet another word:
This is a question, so it belongs in Q&A. Not to be a jerk or anything, but just letting you know, so next time you can post there.

Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^

xillius200 said:
Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^
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Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.

linuxluver said:
Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...

you know, none of this is true, as the drivers for all of the HTC android phones have the drivers built into the kernel (as opposed to running as modules with the exception of wifi) because of GPL, they have released this information, albeit kinda late (*cough* CDMA hero) one stumbling block is how WebOS is going to interface with the drivers may be different, keep in palm has its kernel modifications "drivers" also available (once again because of GPL) so if interfacing is different, it COULD possibly be reverse engineered... the actual WebOS platform IS closed source however, making this all much much more difficult.
http://developer.htc.com/
http://opensource.palm.com/
dont let anyone tell you its impossible, its not. Are you going to port it? No, if you had to start this thread, then its not likely.

mbazdell said:
Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...
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rofl..............

Napoleon said:
Impossible is a word only to be found in the dictionary of fools.
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That said I like my android

linuxluver said:
Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out by taking a long look and experimenting otherwise you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
If Cyanogen or another dev decided to do this it is not impossible as long as they know how to build a device driver which i know 4 of the devs on here can do it is not impossible. The question is would they actually do this project?
Personally I do not see a point in this project if you wanted a webOS why didn't you buy a palm sry if i may sound a little rude but it is the truth why buy a android?
If i may have sounded rude in the sentence above i am very sry you can shun me down

xillius200 said:
For linux once never went my way and stop having a go i was just voicing my opinion it is a free country im just saying with cyanogenmod, Wesgarner, Ctso, Kingklick etc. we stand a great chance at doing it and i bet cyan must have made a device driver before. so please don't go off on one i don't care if this get's made as stated below android is better anyway so get off my back linuxluver and stop being a jackass all I was trying to say is it could be done and not impossible you are making it sound like we have no hope in hell.
ps: I only wan't to come on here to chat and make friends not to be abused
ps2: Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out without taking a long look and experimenting you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
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You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.

Web OS is really nice but doesn't seem very popular considering only 2 phones have it while. 10+ phones will come out with Android. I bet if this was done the person asking would use it for like a month then go to another ROM. Which means all that work trying to make drivers would go in vain.

xencor said:
You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows and apple so are you saying a small group of people can't do something amazing every now and again?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future. Most of webOS is in java anyway and most of it is using dbus.
I thought that emulating it on a jvm may be possible? like freedsb running over the top of windows in a vm.
Also all those who port drivers from windows to linux and max to windows etc. have no help from the manafacturers and they still manage to do it and they work alone.
Im not going to voice my opinion in this thread again i have had enough with people who don't let people talk their mind all it was was an opinion nothing more and a possible chance of it working instead of it sounding like it's impossible unless you try you will never know and that is that stuff this thread i have had enough with you people i am out of here don't bother replying to this because i will not read it.

xillius200 said:
So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows so youre point is?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future.
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Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.

xencor said:
not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*

xencor said:
Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.
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I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
ps: I don't like but jmhalder is cool

jmhalder said:
not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*
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Thank you for talking some sense on the subject that it is possible thank you very much i respect you because you think anything is possible you may go far in the world. the one's who never try may never know and for that will fall behind. You are the only one on here who talks sense and for that i applaud you
ps: Very Much thanks from Xillius200 for believing it to be possible instead of just shooting it down
ps2: It takes a true person to not give up and takes a less person to give up straight away so never give up

xillius200 said:
I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
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DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.

xencor said:
DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.
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I am not calling them gods writing different drivers seperate to a device is possible and DA did write some of his own drivers for the psp for addons and linking to the pc. Also to gain access to the memory he had to make a device and write a driver for it that devices already came wth a driver but he wrote his own. This was a different person XD
And i have had enough i am out of here dont know why the hell we are argueing you do not know much about android either so leave it at that and keep the forum open
I here by cease this fighting going on and say good day

[REF] Tegra Technical Reference Manual

Here is the link: http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-2-technical-reference-manual
Isn't this what we need for better Tegra development? Especially for getting custom ICS kernals booted and writen.
This hasn't been out for more than a month.
Admins please move this thread if not in the correct forum.

jwuerz said:
Here is the link: http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-2-technical-reference-manual
Isn't this what we need for better Tegra development? Especially for getting custom ICS kernals booted and writen.
This hasn't been out for more than a month.
Admins please move this thread if not in the correct forum.
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That certainly LOOKS useful.
EDIT:
Did you notice that's just the table of contents? It's not the ACTUAL technical reference manual. You have to apply and be approved to gain access.

I've applied. It takes up to a month to gain access, BUT it looks like this could be rather useful. More people need to apply.
Sent from my LG-P999

This line makes the point quite moot:
"Internal functional units such as video and graphics hardware acceleration are controlled by NVIDIA provided software and not documented."

jeremyritzmann said:
I've applied. It takes up to a month to gain access, BUT it looks like this could be rather useful. More people need to apply.
Sent from my LG-P999
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See, the problem is, even if you were given the technical specifications, are you capable of writing a driver from the ground up? If not, then you've simply wasted NVidia's time, and there's apparently a LOT of that going on right now.
See this post:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
One of the things the OP mentions in the comments is that NVIDIA is being overwhelmed (his word was Confused) by the amount of community requests for all sorts of things, when half of them aren't even what's needed to get ICS working, or are being asked for by people not qualified to do anything with them.
Those who know what to do with technical reference manauls already know how to apply for them. Others applying for them is just going to make NVIDIA 1) get tired of dealing with the community and 2) Liable to make it HARDER to get information in the future because they're tired of people wasting their time.
I'm not getting on to you, just saying that we "in the community" need to have a little perspective on the matter. ICS source hasn't even been out for more than a couple of weeks. The OEMs, even if they're intent on releasing ICS for devices, haven't even had time *WITH* resources from NVIDIA, to get much done.

I disagree
I have to believe that the most effective way of getting the open access we want (ala Texas instruments and omap) is to make them aware of just how much demand there is for it.
In other words, show them just how much easier their life could be if they open sourced the drivers.
Everyone should call nvidia and tell them exactly what we want
If they have to deal with 20 calls a day re this issue, they might take it seriously.
It worked with htc and Sony re locked bootloaders.....
Call nvidia at 408 486 2000 and ask for developer relations.
Then just politely make them aware of our desire to have the drivers open sourced.
----Someone more versed with the technical issues -- is there anything else we should be asking for? ----
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Well, seeing as I am quite versatile when it comes with coding period,I don't think there is any reason to think that I couldn't write one if I had the *time* to do write it. I do agree that as far as other folks requesting open sourcing the driver code, we do need to be more *focused* in our approach, instead of bogging down their CSR departments with useless demands.
On a personal note, I wouldn't be quite so flamish when referencing a simple comment from someone you don't know, about a comment that obviously isn't an in depth explanation of *why* I've requested the technical specs manual(which was done WELL before I commented on this thread). It makes you appear as if you're intent was to come off as bullish. It does an equal amount of damage to the community as less than dev savvy folks requesting/posting silly things.
/rant
lotherius said:
See, the problem is, even if you were given the technical specifications, are you capable of writing a driver from the ground up? If not, then you've simply wasted NVidia's time, and there's apparently a LOT of that going on right now.
See this post:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
One of the things the OP mentions in the comments is that NVIDIA is being overwhelmed (his word was Confused) by the amount of community requests for all sorts of things, when half of them aren't even what's needed to get ICS working, or are being asked for by people not qualified to do anything with them.
Those who know what to do with technical reference manauls already know how to apply for them. Others applying for them is just going to make NVIDIA 1) get tired of dealing with the community and 2) Liable to make it HARDER to get information in the future because they're tired of people wasting their time.
I'm not getting on to you, just saying that we "in the community" need to have a little perspective on the matter. ICS source hasn't even been out for more than a couple of weeks. The OEMs, even if they're intent on releasing ICS for devices, haven't even had time *WITH* resources from NVIDIA, to get much done.
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Agreed, but there are plenty of dev's that could use an in depth look at the chipset specs.
GenghisKhan67 said:
This line makes the point quite moot:
"Internal functional units such as video and graphics hardware acceleration are controlled by NVIDIA provided software and not documented."
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hi, someone can download and upload the documentation for Tegra 2 and Tegra 3

Be aware they know when you've been bad or good.

Before jb update i sent an email to Asus asking a few questions. They promise a reply within 48 hrs. 10 days latter i got a response which is actually faster than the last time. They did not answer my questions, they did however inform me i was unlocked. They did directed me to some info which i didn't bother with.
I was not unlocked at the time email, and the only reason i unlocked was all the problems i was having with jb update. I was only able to update and remain rooted through the help of the many good people on xda.
I don't tell these people thank you enough. Big shout out to the people of xda.
If you don't want Asus to know you have to keep modem off until you remove the programs that send info to Asus. Please post names i forgot them.
I tried to, but info got out anyway.
Woody
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2

Kind of scary...

You can't unlock while not connected to the internet. The software checks in with their servers to do the unlock, so of course they know.

woodsonmh said:
Before jb update i sent an email to Asus asking a few questions. They promise a reply within 48 hrs. 10 days latter i got a response which is actually faster than the last time. They did not answer my questions, they did however inform me i was unlocked. They did directed me to some info which i didn't bother with.
I was not unlocked at the time email, and the only reason i unlocked was all the problems i was having with jb update. I was only able to update and remain rooted through the help of the many good people on xda.
I don't tell these people thank you enough. Big shout out to the people of xda.
If you don't want Asus to know you have to keep modem off until you remove the programs that send info to Asus. Please post names i forgot them.
I tried to, but info got out anyway.
Woody
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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As was said above the unlock tool HAS to verify with ASUS before unlocking your device. It sends ASUS a copy of your tabs S/N so that ASUS knows to no longer offer warranty services. What happened was they didn't get to your email until after the unlock, and when they pulled up the S/N on your email it flagged as unlocked device. I have not heard of anyone unlocking and ASUS not knowing.

Isn't this akin to contacting Apple support with a jailbroken iPad.

Eh, I'm okay with burning my warranty because of unlocking. It says multiple times, and in big letters, that you'll no longer be covered under their manufacturers warranty if you choose to unlock it. This really makes sense from a business standpoint, because there is a lot you can do to this tablet once it's unlocked, and a good chance of bricking. They don't want to devote the time or the money to support everything that can go wrong when you start flashing 3rd party roms, so they cut it out entirely.
Does it suck? Sure. Unlocking voids warranties on every phone though, just many manufacturers don't notice or take it in to account. Also, there have been accounts of people still getting service on their device even when it has been unlocked.
I like to think of it like this: I buy a car that has a highly customizable computer (timing, fuel mix, etc). This is fine, but I want more acute control of the settings, so I buy a mod chip to stick on there to gain low level access to settings that weren't necessarily designed to be modified outside their norms, even though the engine can take the modifications. In the process of tweaking the timing, I totally burn out the engine. Should I expect the manufacturer to fix my car now, since I just bought it? No, it was my fault it broke.
I realize that this is an analogy that falls short in many places. Android is, of course, FOSS, but it is designed to run on embedded systems. More and more these tablets and phones are given hardware more akin to an actual computer, so maybe the mindset of manufacturers should shift away from an embedded system and more to computers, but we're not there yet.
I haven't had a situation where I had to send in one of my unlocked Android devices for a software bricking, but I imagine most manufacturers will send it right back if they see that I unlocked it. Essentially Asus is cutting out that step by recording the serial number upon unlock. It's pretty big-brotherish, but they're not actively monitoring the information on our device. There was/is a big controversy over DMClient having access to all our information, but you can see exactly what information it is by going to devicetracker.asus.com (Note: Don't create an account if you don't want your information reported).
I'm sorry this has gotten a bit TL/DR. None of us like the idea of being punished for doing something we think should be a given Android right. It's important to keep in mind though that we're buying an Asus device running Android, not a Nexus device (regardless of the manufacturer). Asus reserves the right to provide any warranty they please, they're selling us this device after all. If you don't like their methods, they're well documented by now, maybe you should look in to another device. Asus doesn't care about you, or your information, they care about the products they're making and selling, and they'll support that product in any way they see fit. This isn't apologetic, this is just how it is.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app

I was a little surprised this came up so fast. i could understand checking on a return but an email. Another thing they had to do is cross reference my email. I gave them no tablet info. I am registered. Ill use a different email next time.
I understood the risks when i did it and had pretty much decided root was enough. If i hadnt had such a hassle upgrading who knows. Now im glad i did. Having a great time with clean rom.
Woody
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the_game_master said:
Isn't this akin to contacting Apple support with a jailbroken iPad.
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Seems more like contacting apple and because its been 10 days you jailbreak it and then they respond 'duh! your jailbroken!'
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[Q] Asus TF700t Ubuntu/Android Dual Boot?

I want to dual boot my transformer infinity. I like android, but as an IT student it cannot do everything I need homework wise, besides pocket Minecraft sucks. So I want to have my cake and eat it too. If anyone knows how I would appreciate a how to.

What the heck?
jed_PK said:
I want to dual boot my transformer infinity. I like android, but as an IT student it cannot do everything I need homework wise, besides pocket Minecraft sucks. So I want to have my cake and eat it too. If anyone knows how I would appreciate a how to.
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OMG This post is such a tease! This needs to be retitled and moved to a different forum.
And I hope that the N7 Ubuntu app moves our way. Dual booting might not be in our future, but I bet we get Ubuntu some way.

Reported

Moved to the correct board..

jed_PK said:
I want to dual boot my transformer infinity. I like android, but as an IT student it cannot do everything I need homework wise, besides pocket Minecraft sucks. So I want to have my cake and eat it too. If anyone knows how I would appreciate a how to.
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If you really are an IT student, you should have been told by now that a search function comes in really handy, and surprise, surprise, we have one on XDA. You could also have taken the pretty limited effort of browsing the forums and you would have stumbled upon several threads in which we commented more in-depth.
Considering you didn't make any effort at all besides typing this (in the wrong forum to boot), I can't be arsed to direct you to the threads themselves. Use the search function, and read the XDA forum policy -- it's actually one of the rules in here.
Have I already said you should use the search function?
And to be honest, not being able to do ALL your homework on a portable Android device shouldn't have come as a surprise. Do your homework next time before buying into an ecosystem and hardware.
People are expecting other people to take them by the hand more and more. I see less and less people able to fend for themselves, not only here, but in the real world, too.

On porting Windows RT to other ARM systems...

I don't see any other threads on this topic; there doesn't seem to be any serious discussion on porting Windows RT to run on non-official tablets and other ARM systems (raspberry pi for example).
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader. Apart from a couple of development boards (ARM Versatile Express for example), there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this. Two things: what happens if one tries to boot windows rt from a UEFI capable development board? Second: if the first test shows some success, it would be worth the effort to write an UEFI emulation bootloader like Chameleon for x86.
Can someone with more experience chime in about possible complications and other issues to worry about?

I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
That said, I don't expect it will be easy for the wide variety of devices. If nothing else, the drivers for all the hardware may be difficult to come by.

I see it. Has any more info come out of it? Was it just uefi emulation?

I want my Acer Iconia A500 to run windows rt. But no one started porting rt to any other Android devices.
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(raspberry pi for example)
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
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Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader.
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It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this.
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BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.

Cotulla speaks the truth. Installing RT to systems that didn't come with it means making copies of RT from some other source. Legally speaking, that's almost certainly going to be software piracy, and it's possible that MS would care enough about it to come after this site. That would be bad... This is one of the reasons for the strict anti-piracy rule here.

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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.

Well since TI demoed windows 8 RT on a TI OMAP 4470 system there has to be a build out there for it. I have a SmartQ X7 which also has the TI OMAP 4470/SGX544 chipset, I'd like to try Windows 8 RT on it as I am sure it would run quite well.
Here Engadget has an article about it.
So should be quite possible I'd think?

Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.

Cotulla said:
Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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What you did was pretty awesome, and I also want to do it. Your work is yours so I'm not going to try to persuade you to give any info, but I want to get Windows RT running on other devices to show that it can be done (not to prove that Microsoft lied but to test my own (and anyone helping's) skills).

Porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2
Any idea, if it can be done porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2 ?
Does the hardware fits? As I read, I believe it's fits (like Microsoft surface ARM device).
What do i need to do?
Thanks in Advance!

Any news? I'm thinking about buying an terra 1001 pad :
https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclien...94,d.d2k&fp=3cf597d2212ac5a5&biw=1366&bih=674

Man guys.. just get a Surface RT or Vivo Tab.

Wouldn't it be nice
Cotulla said:
Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple

First of all this thread is really old, and probably should have been locked a long time ago.
wcparry said:
SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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I really don't think you are going to see this happen, Windows has been closed source since 1985, I really doubt one day in 2013 they are going to wake up and say "oh, lets just opensource this stuff".

wcparry said:
I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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Its essentially giving out the whole x86 Windows source code, this will never happen.. I believe

Here's a topic on windows RT recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079409
Maybe this can help in porting it to other devices.

We know about that thread... We have eyes.
Recovery images are useless for this purpose

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gnidorah said:
Maybe go with windows ce (embedded) + bsp for concrete device instead?
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Well, that wouldn't be RT then, would it? The point of this thread was wondering if RT could be ported to other devices not officially supported, not whether we can install any OS at all.