[Q] Curious - How come there isn't similar buzz for the Acer A500? - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm in the market for my first Android tablet - and the Asus EEE seems to fit the bill via price / performance. I had a chance to test drive the ACER A500 at local Electronics store - and it's pretty nice with similar price point / and specs to the ASUS.
The ASUS Transformer has it's own XDA forum - with activity < I'm assuming that means there will be a Developer support for Custom ROMs in the future >
I would think the ACER would have a similar following - but I'm not seeing it on this site. I've seen a couple thread topics I can find via google search - but there's no Acer A500 forum - that suggests community interest?
What am I missing here. Besides the $50.00 price difference - why is Asus getting all the buzz - while the similar Acer device seems to garner little interest?
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Acer has bad rep when it comes to laptops already so that may have something to do with it... especially among IT people (trust me, I know).
If you can't make well laptops which is an established product among electronics, how can you be expected to make tablet any better, a fairly new product in electronics?
IPS screen on asus is another one.
Dock is another one

IPS screen and the keyboard dock with a battery which can give 16+ hours of life are the key differentiators for the transformer.
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also the extra free software included that's actually stuff people want. Splashtop remote Polaris office and one free year of online storage.

I've been following both products closely and I agree with the OP's confusion. I personally don't regard Acer as any less competent a technology company that Asus. IPS screen, Keyboard dock & $50 are the big benefits for Asus; however, Acer has a the full USB port and a flash on the rear camera.
Regardless, I am testing the Acer right now from BB for a few days and my Asus comes in next week, so I'll compare the screen between the two and let you know what I find. FWIW, I use a NC which has a 7" IPS screen and the Acer screen might not compare but it's certainly not too shabby on its own merit.
Edit: Acer also has a hardware rotation lock switch, something I believe neither the Xoom or Asus has. Coming from a brief stint with the iPad, I would normally welcome this feature - however, it just doesn't work too well on HC. Market auto-forces landscape, my comic reader auto-forces whatever I set through settings - all of this just confuses HC and the hardware lock, causing it to act wonky at times.

nook-color said:
I'm in the market for my first Android tablet - and the Asus EEE seems to fit the bill via price / performance. I had a chance to test drive the ACER A500 at local Electronics store - and it's pretty nice with similar price point / and specs to the ASUS.
The ASUS Transformer has it's own XDA forum - with activity < I'm assuming that means there will be a Developer support for Custom ROMs in the future >
I would think the ACER would have a similar following - but I'm not seeing it on this site. I've seen a couple thread topics I can find via google search - but there's no Acer A500 forum - that suggests community interest?
What am I missing here. Besides the $50.00 price difference - why is Asus getting all the buzz - while the similar Acer device seems to garner little interest?
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Asus has blown up the hype for the Transformer by doing 3 things...
1. hitting everyone over the head that it has an ips screen with gorilla glassĀ®
2. enticing us with the 2for1 thing (tablet to netbook, voila!)
3. selling it at a killer price
4. ADVERTISING..
..and they've been doing this for months. Acer on the other hand, hasn't really buzzed up the Iconia Tab A500. I heard about it ONCE before release. They haven't advertised it and it's really no big deal on their website. It's just another device for them. Seems more like an afterthought and anecdotal "we have one too" tablet, than something they're proud or truly excited to sell.
Asus however, has been advertising the Transformer for months, releasing ads for it, putting up a Facebook page for it and talking about it. Suffice it to say, their hyping is now paying off.
There's interest for the Acer, it's just a whisper vs. the shout for the Transformer. But the proof is always in the pudding so personally I'm trying to patiently wait and see which one is better for me. Currently I own the Iconia Tab and I really like it, though I am quite interested to feel out the Transformer and see how much nicer the screen is and if it would be worth giving up my led flash, usb host port, reset button and sturdy build for.

I picked the Asus because I have the impression that Asus is going to do a better job of supporting the tablet with updates. So far, that appears to be true, especially if some of the developers just responded in the bricked tablet thread. I was sorely tempted by the Acer because of the USB port, I don't particularly care to get the keyboard for the Asus; it's just a tablet for me, I already have a laptop.

Neoprimal said:
Asus has blown up the hype for the Transformer by doing 3 things...
1. hitting everyone over the head that it has an ips screen with gorilla glassĀ®
2. enticing us with the 2for1 thing (tablet to netbook, voila!)
3. selling it at a killer price
4. ADVERTISING..
..and they've been doing this for months. Acer on the other hand, hasn't really buzzed up the Iconia Tab A500. I heard about it ONCE before release. They haven't advertised it and it's really no big deal on their website. It's just another device for them. Seems more like an afterthought and anecdotal "we have one too" tablet, than something they're proud or truly excited to sell.
Asus however, has been advertising the Transformer for months, releasing ads for it, putting up a Facebook page for it and talking about it. Suffice it to say, their hyping is now paying off.
There's interest for the Acer, it's just a whisper vs. the shout for the Transformer. But the proof is always in the pudding so personally I'm trying to patiently wait and see which one is better for me. Currently I own the Iconia Tab and I really like it, though I am quite interested to feel out the Transformer and see how much nicer the screen is and if it would be worth giving up my led flash, usb host port, reset button and sturdy build for.
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All Asus has done is hang around on facebook, they literally haven't done any advertising besides facebook and 1 internet only commercial.

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All Asus has done is hang around on facebook, they literally haven't done any advertising besides facebook and 1 internet only commercial.
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What has Acer done?
Hanging around Facebook for one, is in and of itself pretty potent advertising. And any commercial is still a commercial, no matter how silly it is.

For me, and I think for many people, what really sets the Transformer apart is what gives it the name: the ability to use as a tablet or as a notebook. It's just different/more than a tablet + Bluetooth keyboard, because it's integrated and because the dock has a second battery.
The $399 starting price doesn't hurt, either. And $399 sounds better than $449 no matter how you slice it.

IPS screen and the low price. That's why I targeted it versus the ACER.
I love ACER - my son has an ACER netbook and both my LCD's are ACER. But IPS was what I wanted in my next tablet, so ASUS won.

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IPS screen and the low price. That's why I targeted it versus the ACER.
I love ACER - my son has an ACER netbook and both my LCD's are ACER. But IPS was what I wanted in my next tablet, so ASUS won.
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And boy is this IPS screen worth it.

Do you guys think its really worth the wait. I missed my chance to order because of work. I really need a tablet by next week.
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Do you guys think its really worth the wait. I missed my chance to order because of work. I really need a tablet by next week.
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Summarize what people are saying and make your choice.
It's obviously worth the wait if you need an IPS display or the transformer dock because nothing else right now can give you that. If these aren't THAT important and you need a tablet next week, you might as well go at least take a look at the Acer.

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Do you guys think its really worth the wait. I missed my chance to order because of work. I really need a tablet by next week.
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I could really use one too.
I just wish I " knew " how long I had to wait for the Asus EEE to be available. It appears it's a 2 week wait - but that's just a best guestimate from what I've been reading online.
But is the consensus - that this device will have good support on this forum - vs - comparable spec tablets. And it's worth the wait? I'm going to be using the .pdf reader function pretty heavily.

It looks like i might have to get the acer to get me buy until i can get a transformer, as long as it's within 14days. I really like the specs on the transformer, IPS + Gorilla glass + Dock + $399. I also like the community the transformer has behind it.

Keep an eye out. It is regularly showing up in Fry's. It'll be showing up more and more regularly. I was lucky, had good timing on checking for in store availability at Fry's, and purchased the only one received that morning right after it was received. Picked it up 10 minutes later.
They are sporadically hitting the B&M Frye's around the country.

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[Q] Acer - Iconia Tablet comes out next Sunday; will you give in and get it?

With no release date in sight for the release here in the US, will you just give in and get the Acer? The specs are pretty much for the most part identical but you'll have to shell out $50 more @ $449. Good thing is that you'll have a tablet real soon. One thing I can think off that will slow my purchase of the acer is the development and support for the tablet by devs. Will devs really buy it and provide roms and tweaks for it?
Assuming Amazon, who takes anything back within 30 days, carries the Acer and there are no release date updates from Asus by then, I'll probably pick it up as a temporary solution.
I wouldn't count anybody out at this point. The Transformer looks awesome if it comes out with all the goodies for $399, but there's a lot of speculation on that point.
A few things I DO like about the Acer is:
Full size USB port
1080p HDMI output
Dolby Mobile sound (supposed to be the best sounding tablet...I dunno).
I'm hoping Asus gets it's crap together and gives us a date tomorrow with preorders via Amazon.
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I wouldn't count anybody out at this point. The Transformer looks awesome if it comes out with all the goodies for $399, but there's a lot of speculation on that point.
A few things I DO like about the Acer is:
Full size USB port
1080p HDMI output
Dolby Mobile sound (supposed to be the best sounding tablet...I dunno).
I'm hoping Asus gets it's crap together and gives us a date tomorrow with preorders via Amazon.
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I agree. I might just end up giving the Iconia a chance but first I'd like to play with a unit. IMHO the Transformer looks way nicer and the dock just adds the icing to the cake but Asus, when's the party??? If the release date isn't released in a week and I like the Iconia then Acer will get my money.
Actually it's Best Buy that has the pre-order and I think they have a 14 day return policy. So at least you can use it for 14 days then return it.
I have stated a few times that I will at least heavily consider it. If I find out that the tablet had gorilla glass after all, it would be almost certain.
Gorilla Glass and IPS display. Now part of the must-haves for me.
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Gorilla Glass and IPS display. Now part of the must-haves for me.
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Where did you find this info?
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Ips and gorilla glass was part of the spec list.
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Where did you find this info?
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I'm pretty sure they were listing personal requirements, not Iconia specs
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I was thinking about the iconia, mostly because i like the brushed aluminum and the USB port
I hope best buy has a working display model when they release it so i can see how it is in person
I am still fond of getting the transformer though, i also think there is going to be more community development on it then the Acer which makes me want the transformer.
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I wouldn't count anybody out at this point. The Transformer looks awesome if it comes out with all the goodies for $399, but there's a lot of speculation on that point.
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I'm guessing 399 is too low for it though, more like 450
I think I'm going to hold out. Just watched the video review here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039473) and it looks like its worth waiting for a little bit longer.
Part of the spec list of the Transformer you mean; correct? From what I've read the Acer does not have IPS only a 160degree viewing angle, and is unknown about gorilla glass. -
-edit... this was intended as a reply to the comment above about Specs... my apologies.
I saw the Iconia in Curry's last Friday and although I could have sworn it's IPS display.
Not sure about the Gorrila glass though.
Check if the screen looks like negative when viewed from the bottom at a very high angle - if it is, then it's TN. Good TN is not bad though and if it looks like IPS it could be good even if it's not IPS.
Got an iconia tab a500 and returned it 2 days after....
The display, compared with ipad ips ( same ips of the asus eee pad), really sucks... Much less contrast, not so lightful , under the sun is terrible
Asus's panel is one step ahead than acer's one, my 2 cents...
I've bought the Acer Iconia A500. It's a cracking tablet, awesome looking screen which is on par with the iPad that I had and sold. The viewing angles are immense as well.
USB host works a treat, had no issues copying a pdf and some jpgs over.
I think people going on about IPS etc need to actually have a go on these tablets.
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I've bought the Acer Iconia A500. It's a cracking tablet, awesome looking screen which is on par with the iPad that I had and sold. The viewing angles are immense as well.
USB host works a treat, had no issues copying a pdf and some jpgs over.
I think people going on about IPS etc need to actually have a go on these tablets.
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I'd a go on this tablet, but my opinion is quite different.... perfect tablet, except for display

G-Tab vs Xoom vs. Asus EEE trasnformer

Hi Folks.. I have a G-Tab ..but was wondering what the hardware spec differences were between the Transformer (which is about the same price as the G-Tab) and the Xoom which is a bit pricier.. ? Is there a reason to dump the G-Tab for the Transformer or is it the same generation with a better screen?
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Honeycomb 3.0+
Better screen (resolution & viewing angles)
More memory
Official Google support
Rear camera
GPS
Maybe more that I can't think of......
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Honeycomb 3.0+
Better screen (resolution & viewing angles)
More memory
Official Google support
Rear camera
Maybe more that I can't think of......
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Adds a GPS and a compass as well.
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Well .. It IS an improvement, but might not be one major enuff for you to replace, i personally feel the cream is the screen difference. The other factors may or may not affect you too much. (Not to mention USB)
I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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+1......Acer Iconia FTW!! I honestly like it better than the Transformer.
rushless said:
I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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Just curious, may i know whats the battery life like? Engadget review stats 7 hours but i find that fishy
You'd be wasting your money with the Xoom -- overpriced with a so-so screen, so toss that out of the equation. Iconia and Transformer are your best bets, though I think the Transformer is the better value, especially with the IPS screen. And should you decide you want the dock, it's an option (I don't, but to some that's the killer feature).
The screen on the Transformer was what grabbed me. I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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You'd be wasting your money with the Xoom -- overpriced with a so-so screen, so toss that out of the equation. Iconia and Transformer are your best bets, though I think the Transformer is the better value, especially with the IPS screen. And should you decide you want the dock, it's an option (I don't, but to some that's the killer feature).
The screen on the Transformer was what grabbed me. I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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JERK!!!!!!!!!! Way to rub it in lol
So the Iconia is what to get as a holdover until the Transformers have been reviewed more and stock issues sorted out? Thanks for the feedback.
edit - I'll post back later today with my initial Iconia impressions and some unboxing photos and/or video.
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I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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Guess you've never seen an iPad
Seriously, we get that you've got issues with the netbook screen used on the gTab, and that just about any screen is going to be better than it.
schettj said:
Guess you've never seen an iPad
Seriously, we get that you've got issues with the netbook screen used on the gTab, and that just about any screen is going to be better than it.
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I don't have issues anymore I solved that problem.
I think the #1 thing gTab owners who are thinking of upgrading want to know is if the screen quality is really worth the extra money. Any time the question is raised, as a former gTab owner, I'm happy to pop on here and let them know that YES, it is worth the upgrade. It is liberating to not have to worry about viewing angles, having almost no difference in how the screen looks no matter which way you turn it. I'm not rubbing it in anyone's face, just saying that if you're on the fence about it, you shouldn't be. The screen is a very important part of the tablet experience, and having a quality screen really made me realize that.
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I don't have issues anymore I solved that problem.
I think the #1 thing gTab owners who are thinking of upgrading want to know is if the screen quality is really worth the extra money. Any time the question is raised, as a former gTab owner, I'm happy to pop on here and let them know that YES, it is worth the upgrade. It is liberating to not have to worry about viewing angles, having almost no difference in how the screen looks no matter which way you turn it. I'm not rubbing it in anyone's face, just saying that if you're on the fence about it, you shouldn't be. The screen is a very important part of the tablet experience, and having a quality screen really made me realize that.
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I dunno man, I use the thing for hours on end surfing the couch, and it's quite fine. If you've got one, and you're talking about "upgrading" to a new $400-$450 tab, the net cost after sale is going to be $200+ For that, if I could stand the screen (and I can - I have an iPad2 as well and the screen is nice. Whoo.) I might be better off using the gtab for several more months, until the NEXT generation tablets come out in the summer, or fall.
If you've not bought a tab, and you were going to buy one today, sure. Spend the extra $120 (if you could even find a gtab on sale now that the firesales are over, I think Woot is even finally out of stock) and get any of the 1.5 generation tabs with non-netbook screens. They'll all be better looking screens than the gtab.
If you own one and can't stand the screen, sure, go for it.
Otherwise, it's just a screen with more viewing angles. In 6 months something better will be along, if you hold out for that. Or, you'll be able to buy one of these "better screen" tabs at closeout prices.
Have my original gtab, though it's being sold tomorrow. Just got an Iconia A500 today. Dunno if it's 3.0 the Acer interface or what. This is what a tablet was meant to be like. While I'd like it to be a bit more open and not block me from installing Kindle(wtf?) etc, it's damn nice. Smooth scrolling, responsive etc. Waiting for the Transformer to be in stock for the IPS screen, and barring any horror stories from the early adopters, I'll trade the Iconia in for a Trans.
Ininitla Iconia and Android 3.0 impressions from me? Wow, a HUGE step up from the Gtablet and it's stock OS. Let price be your guide, but if you are on the fence and have the cash, the new stuff is where it's at.

Transformer or Iconia A500?

I am debating on which to buy. I've been wanting a tablet for awhile now and have slimmed it down to these two options, but would like some feed back if possible.
I'm looking for s-off and root (quickly glancing at the forums, it looks like both are able to achieve this. I like to toy and tinker with things and having a root, with s-off, is a must for this.
Are there any huge differences between the two? I am liking the additional dock available for the Transformer.
Going to post this in the Iconia forum as well. Transformer people, win me over!
I've owned both and I can tell you that they're both great devices. It really depends on what you find more important.
The Iconia has a massive dev community, great sound, and a full sized USB port.
The Transformer has a brilliant display, is much lighter, has a full dock, VERY fast official updates, and a solid dev community.
My issue with the Iconia was really just the display (and weight to a certain extent). It has the second worst display of the current widely available android honeycomb tablets (Second only to the Xoom). 256K colors w/dithering vs 16M, and fairly poor display angles. That really sealed it for me. I loved the option of having the Virtuous roms available to me. Being able to run the UI of all of the other tables is a cool option, however I couldn't get past the washed out colors and blurry text. This tab also seems to suffer from the sleep of death a bit more than some of the other tabs out there (the Thrive is the worst suffering from this problem). This is where the tab goes into deep sleep and won't wake up. You have to hold the power button to reboot the device.
The Transformer isn't without it's own warts. The speaker quality is pretty poor overall. The biggest issue is that you're rolling the dice on a couple other problems that seem to happen at random regardless of the model revision (does seem to be a reduced chance of a lemon with the B6 and B7 revisions).
- Light bleed (standard led backlight flash lighting from the edges of the screen)
- Poor bezel attachment (the screen lifts in the corners on some tabs)
- Creaky back plate (the back panel of the tab creaks when manipulated)
Again, these are random and most that do have them don't see it as a deal breaker. I have 1 4mm spot of light bleed on the right side of my monitor that I can only see upon boot up in a completely dark room.
Modding on either of these tabs is incredibly easy to do. The NVFlash method of rooting/CWM'ing the Transformer is the easiest I've done. It's a wonderful thing. 3.2 was just released last week, so now we're all basking in the dev community molding that revision into new juicy roms and kernels.
go to bestbuy and try it out yourself. The A500 immediately turned me off the second I held it in my hands.
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go to bestbuy and try it out yourself. The A500 immediately turned me off the second I held it in my hands.
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Ditto, the form factor of the Iconia is plain ugly to me. As with the screen, it doesnt compare to the TF either.
+1 on Transformer.
+1 for TF - better display, slimmer, lighter, wonderful keyboard dock.
The Iconia does have better audio then the TF. If the Dolby enhancements are turned off , the Iconia sounds as bad as a TF.
I had a iconia for a few days, but eventually settled on a TF.
I have a TF for personal use and an Iconia I got for my store to take credit card payments (with Square). Besides the fact that I can't even use it for it's intended purpose (the Square credit card reader doesn't work with the Iconia for some reason) it is a pretty solid device.
However, in aesthetics.
The screen is not as good, it FEELS fatter and bulkier and the TF looks a lot more quality to me. The Iconia looks a bit dated and cheap (many others have commented on that as well).
I did put the two side by side and the Iconia is actually smaller than the TF.
You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
I don't know how things are for Iconia 3rd party development (roms, etc) but for the Transformer it is relatively slow... not really much going on compared to other devices... very small number of interested developers.
Asus seems to be actively supporting the device, as a couple updates have been released for it, but they have failed to address some issues that have been complaints from the beginning for some people.
Overall, I am happy with the device. All devices have their drawbacks, so you just have to use the information you can find and make an informed decision. If I could do it over again I would spend the extra bucks and get a Galaxy Tab... but that's just me.
Im actually in the same boat as the op. I purchased both last week (using the $100 off Staples coupon) so i can get a hands on review of both. As of now, Im really leaning towards the TF but something keeps drawing to the Acer.
I like the screen on the TF and the feel of it, but the sound is terrible (even with the custom roms I have tried even tho i havent tried them all). I did like the usb on the Acer as I dont see myself buying the dock for the TF. I am a little concern with build quality as I am seeing more post of people having issues with screen/bleeding/spots appearing few months after having the TF.
In all I think you really cant go wrong with either but for me Im currently leaning towards the TF since it has the better screen and my main purpose for this is entertainment..just praying that the screen and build hold up long term
LOL you asked about whether getting TF or Icona in the TF forum and of course all these guys or gals here are owning TF so they +1 all for TF...
I would suggest to go with your guts,,,whatever you see the tablet applicable to your own use, go with it since you already narrowed down two... good luck
I chose TF because it weight, official update support, and I felt good when I held the TF in hand (have you held Viewsonic Gtab in hand? heavy like brick and uncomfortable? --it's just like that!)
One more thing,,, about the sound,,,it is tablet - do not expect it being great like laptop or PC - it won't be different if you use the headset
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You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
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Just a fyi - I bought a 6 Foot USB 3.0 extension cord on amazon for $4.75 shipped. Now I have about a 9 foot power cord combined for cheap.
Otherwise, I agree. The power cord is so short, and makes no sense at all to me.
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
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Like I said...I have both.
Acer power cord is just as short and it is also proprietary btw
Get what YOU want...NOT what we say.
Learn to think for yourself.
I agree. You should go with what works best for you.
I've tried each one to review and each has it's pro's and con's tbh.
The Iconia is just plain ugly for me to hold in my hands and feel comfortable with but that's just me. It is nice to have a USB on the tablet but Im not missing much if I just have my dock w/ tablet here. - The idea of a micro HDMI on a tablet, to me, is a not that practical as you have to hunt for those lil' things apposed to a mini HDMI cable which I just can't hype up anymore with everyone who see's this.
I also tried the Galaxy Tab bu I immediately returned it due to the fact that Sammy just completely cloned an iPad, leaving out any extra input options like micro SD!!!! - I'm not knocking on GTab owners at all but rly???
You should just youtube some videos and then see what you like.. THERE IS A RETURN POLICY FOR MOST STORES YOU KNOW
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Hi, I plan to buy a tablet in a few weeks and my favorites are also the iconia and the tf.
Right now I prefer the tf, but i've read in some reviews that thr video playback is sometimes laggy compared to other android tegra 2 tabs and this would be a deal breaker for me. Is fhis true? if so, do custom roms fix this problem?
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Acer power cord is just as short and it is also proprietary btw
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Good info... how is the availability/pricing on accessories for the Iconia?
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Get what YOU want...NOT what we say.
Learn to think for yourself.
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Alright. Thanks for all your replies everyone. I am and will decide for myself but since I cannot try out both I was reaching out to the community to give me their pro's and con's so I can weigh them for my own decision.
I'll have to go back to the BX later and play around with the Iconia some more. I didn't really play with the form factor, but what I really like from the Transformer is the keyboard/battery/etc dock. From my understanding it'll be future-compatible too.
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Just a fyi - I bought a 6 Foot USB 3.0 extension cord on amazon for $4.75 shipped. Now I have about a 9 foot power cord combined for cheap.
Otherwise, I agree. The power cord is so short, and makes no sense at all to me.
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Things like this is what I'm looking for. Thanks for all the positive feed back. I'm still a couple months away from getting either or, but like to research before I make the switch.
If you like the idea of the dock/keyboard/battery++, the choice is pretty much made.
Personally I think the dock makes the Transformer a completely different animal than all the other tablets out there. Funny thing is, I see the fact that you can use it as "strictly a tablet", as an added bonus of sorts. Not the other way around.
In my mind it's a little computer running Android, with a detachable screen. I can't picture myself ever owning "just a tablet" after getting used to my beloved Transformer.
Beware of bias. I'm in love.
Is the Transformer capable of stylus use? or does it allow for decent digital painting?
my 2 cents:
Asus Transformer
-way better screen (most important feature in a tablet, imho)
-a lot lighter then the Iconia (Iconia is the heaviest Android tablet)
-faster updates
-less freezes & runs smoother
-dock option
Acer Iconia
-USB port (the Transformer only has this on the dock)
-better built? allegedly. (my Asus is also very solid but the Iconia metal back feels stronger)
-better sound
-better camera (with flash)
For me it boils down to needing a USB port or not & to wanting the dock option or not.
If you don't need the USB port, then the Transformed is the obvious choice.
If you do (and don't want to spend the extra $150 for the dock) then go for the Acer.
Also if you really want a better screen and the dock option, again the obvious choice is the TF.
good luck & enjoy your new toy either or!

[Q] Considering buying TF101 or new Acer A200, help!

Good afternoon all,
I'm in the market for a tablet (first tablet for me!) and while everyone and their mother around me has an Ipad, I just can't stomach iOS (Or Apple for that matter).
I've been checking out the hardware on these two tablets and they seem identical. I don't have any to compare them to, so I'd appreciate some input over which has better performance.
The main reason I want a tablet is because I hate reading on my laptop and while the kindle fire seems appealing, 7" screen is just too small imo. So basically I'll be using it for reading, watching videos and casual gaming.
That said, I'd appreciate any input on the matter!
Thanks!
TF101. I own an Acer A100 and TF101, and I can tell you that acer still doesn't respond to the many pleas to unlock the bootloader on the A100 (The A500 lucked out using earlier exploits later fixed), and the A200 is likely to follow this direction.
If you want a good dev community behind your device, asus is the way to go.
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TF101. I own an Acer A100 and TF101, and I can tell you that acer still doesn't respond to the many pleas to unlock the bootloader on the A100 (The A500 lucked out using earlier exploits later fixed), and the A200 is likely to follow this direction.
If you want a good dev community behind your device, asus is the way to go.
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Thanks for the input! Reason I like Android is all the customization. =)
Do you know of any online retailers where I could find it cheap?
I don't have any local retailers near me and need to order it online.
I've tried tigerdirect, Amazon, bestbuy even has the 32gb model for $399.
Found a refurbirshed model for $289 on ebay, but I'd rather try to get a new one. =)
www.tigerdirect.com/applications/se...CODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE
Cheapest I found from respectable retailers.
The way I see it, if planning to modify the device (thus voiding the warranty) you only need to make sure it works.
Alternatively, you could look at another popular device like the Xoom:
google.com/products/catalog?q=xoom&nomo=1&client=ms-opera-mobile-android&um=1&hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=763&bih=1182&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18377715572139848066&sa=X&ei=rl81T-GmJqSwiQKT8aWrCg&ved=0CIIBEMQVMAA#scoring=p
Get the TF101. Some really good prices now. There are so many custom ROMS out there it is nutz. I would suggest getting one from a store near you where you can exchange it easily. That way if you have lightbleed or any other issues you can return it.
Hold out and wait for asus to release the new tegra 3's T700 etc. Unless you want to take a chance on the prime. I had to mod mine and void the warranty to make it work. But, its the best android tablet in my house atm.
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Get the TF101. Some really good prices now. There are so many custom ROMS out there it is nutz. I would suggest getting one from a store near you where you can exchange it easily. That way if you have lightbleed or any other issues you can return it.
Hold out and wait for asus to release the new tegra 3's T700 etc. Unless you want to take a chance on the prime. I had to mod mine and void the warranty to make it work. But, its the best android tablet in my house atm.
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haha what do you mean by so many roms? there are about 5 stable good roms
more like 3 rom
anyway all acer tablet have locked bootloader.
you can do anything with them
get TF101
the best thing you can do is go out to a store and try each 1 out.
i started out wanted the galaxy tab but was concerned about price, went out tryed out each tablet with similar specs and ended up choosing the tf101. if modding is a big deal check out each tablets forum to see whats up
goodluck with ur decision
I had a similar choice when I was looking at tablets for the first time, although for me it was TF101 VS A100. The thing that swung it to Asus for me was the versitility of the keyboard addon which is so useful and it still turns heads when I undock it in public lol. The extra ports and battery power afforded by the keyboard is a real winner too. When you are on a train for example, the dock holds the screen just right for watching movies and charges it too so when you flip it over to read a book - you have a nice full battery.
The screen is also lovely on the TF101. Turn off auto brightness though ... that's a bit dim for my liking. The manual settings are great.
Asus has been responsive in updates, and the dev community is great. I have very much enjoyed the performance enhancement of the Revolver parts ROM.

Potential Buyer

I am about to buy a Transformer Infinity. I know why I WANT to buy it, but I thought I'll Ask some owners for reasons for why I would NOT want to buy it
I am a crazy customizer and a power user always trying to push the limits.
I currently own a Optimus Black, a phone no one (even LG) cares about...
How popular is the TF700? Will I get support? Roms? What about ASUS Custoomer service?
Thx in Advance
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I am about to buy a Transformer Infinity. I know why I WANT to buy it, but I thought I'll Ask some owners for reasons for why I would NOT want to buy it
I am a crazy customizer and a power user always trying to push the limits.
I currently own a Optimus Black, a phone no one (even LG) cares about...
How popular is the TF700? Will I get support? Roms? What about ASUS Custoomer service?
Thx in Advance
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The Infinity is still relatively new, but there is already quite a bit of development going on with it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1665
As far as official support, such as bug fixes or updates, Asus generally seems to be better and at least faster to get updates out than other manufacturers.
Customer support, however, is a different matter. I haven't dealt with Asus support directly, but there are ample reports about it's horrible quality. For example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473&highlight=asus+support
Likewise, Asus' quality control is pretty lax. There are a lot of tablets with issues that never should have passed standard QA checks.
Another related note: they also seem to be selling rebranded TF201 docks as "new" TF700 docks: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1810592&highlight=tf700+dock
All things considered though, I'm happy with the Infinity overall. I will accompany that with the caveat that I am in fact getting a replacement for my Infinity and dock from Amazon due to some dust under my screen in a very annoying location (right in the center) and because some keys on the dock started registering incorrectly.
Its a good tablet, but its not without its flaws. I'd still pick one up, as Asus is very good about software updates and our dev community is starting to ramp up so we'll get our custom roms.
Some issues that people have had:
-Quality control is very hit or miss
-You're going to have light bleed. Most tablets have it light enough that its only noticeable while booting though, once in Android it goes away.
-Internal flash storage is relatively slow, causing some occasional performance hiccups. If the Prime is any indication, custom roms will easily work around the issue.
-Asus's tech support staff are complete crap that'll insist on RMAing your device even for the most trivial issues.
-Some devices wont receive updates or unlock their bootloader, although in most cases both start working after a few weeks.
Just make sure you get one that's physically well built, and you should like it.
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
I'd wait a while
My advice...
If possible wait before buying.
Don't jump in like I did.
I did get a later non buggy Infinity that has no build problems.
The performance of the tablet is what I would say is stellar compared to most of the previous incarnations.
Yet there is competition on the horizon that just might blow the Infinity out of the water.
I ran out and bought the Acer A700 because it was the latest thing and ended up severely disappointed.
So then I jumped over to the Infinity and have been pleased.
If you are a true blue power user\tinkerer the Asus may be good, yet you may be much happier with a later model
10 inch tab that ships with android 4.1 jellybean.
I'll bet the hardware in the upcoming tabs will give the 'ole iPad a real run for the finish line.
As far as the this or that choice...to me it boils down to an OS preference.
I wouldn't make sense for anyone on here to recommend apple over droid.
Probably best to not even bring it up...
I have a Asus Prime currently in limbo between Asus and FEDEX for about a month now trying to get it replaced. Long story short. Prime broke (poor quality), sent it to texas service center. 1/2 week later got it back. Service center screwed up the packing, FEDEX destroyed my tablet on delivery. Submitted and claim, 30 days later still waiting. Got tired of waiting, bought the infinity.
Asus seems to have learned their lessons from the Prime, so for me the Infinity works like what I expected the prime to be. Flawless.
If you're into customization and tinkering then this is the tablet for you. The only negative I have to say is Asus as a company they are very schizophrenic. They seem to have good customer support, their response time is good, they are polite and they want to do right by the customer but the end result is unsatisfactory. The Prime should have been recalled, but instead they released band aids to problems that only made things worst. But they tried to do good for the customer. Which is why I ended up buying another Asus product. I just hope I don't come to regret my decision later on.
There's not that many options right now anyways, if you want the most powerful tablet released you either get the ipad 3 or the infinity. My vote is on the infinity, just make sure you get insurance.
Thank you very much for your help guys just a few more things...
I will be using this a lot for school work. Is it sensitive enough for handwriting? Can I use a fine tipped stylus like the HandStylus (http://handstylus.com/) ?
Also is there a considerable drop in Performance in the 3G version compared to the Wifi version?
Thank you very much
Pankaja13 said:
Thank you very much for your help guys just a few more things...
I will be using this a lot for school work. Is it sensitive enough for handwriting? Can I use a fine tipped stylus like the HandStylus (http://handstylus.com/) ?
Also is there a considerable drop in Performance in the 3G version compared to the Wifi version?
Thank you very much
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Yes its very sensitive. The digitizer on the Infinity is really good. Regarding the HandStylus, I don't see why it shouldn't work. It looks like a normal capacitive stylus with just a smaller tip. As far as the 3g version I don't believe its out on the market yet.
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I will be using this a lot for school work.
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I use my Infinity for quite a bit of work. One thing I found is that I use the device docked with the keyboard more than I do as an actual tablet. When sitting at a table or even on the couch I'm able to bang out e-mail, XLS files or word docs with little or no effort. Even when not using the keyboard, just having it there gives a very stable stand to hold the device in a comfortable position. I'm not even considering a sleeve anymore to protect the device, since just folding the keyboard up will protect the screen. Honestly, I didn't think I would use it this way... figured they dock was going to be a novelty accessory. It has truly transformed (pun intended) this thing into something that is really productive. Not sure what kind of school work you will be using your tablet for, but this is something you might want to consider.
I own one and I think it's great.. I honestly can't think of a reason why you shouldn't get it.. In addition, there are plenty of stable OS that you can put on the tablet once you root it; plus, you have more options you can enact on the tablet, which wouldn't be possible on the iPad.
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I use my Infinity for quite a bit of work. One thing I found is that I use the device docked with the keyboard more than I do as an actual tablet. When sitting at a table or even on the couch I'm able to bang out e-mail, XLS files or word docs with little or no effort. Even when not using the keyboard, just having it there gives a very stable stand to hold the device in a comfortable position. I'm not even considering a sleeve anymore to protect the device, since just folding the keyboard up will protect the screen. Honestly, I didn't think I would use it this way... figured they dock was going to be a novelty accessory. It has truly transformed (pun intended) this thing into something that is really productive. Not sure what kind of school work you will be using your tablet for, but this is something you might want to consider.
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I second Garys opinion. My transformer has become my sole computing device at home, with my desktop being used as a file storage.
The keyboard dock is essential for school.
FWIW, I finally bought a gray Infinity after being without my OG Transformer since last AUG and tiring of the wait for a champagne unit. (Tried a Prime for about 36 hours -- it was such a POS that I returned it for a refund.) The gray Infinity has been in production long enough to work out assembly issues, if Asus plans to correct them at all.
I bought from Amazon, which has excellent customer service and return policies. I should receive the unit today. If there are build issues, I'll exchange no more than twice (which, not coincidentally, is the limit of Amazon's exchange policy). If I can't find a good unit among three, I'll just return it and wait for the Samsung P10 or a Surface tab.
Heck, if the P10 is as killer as specs suggest, I'll probably eBay the Infinity anyway. But I've done without a tablet for so long -- and the keyboard dock for my Droid Bionic is a poor substitute -- that I gotta try something.
Pankaja13 said:
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
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If you want to be conformed to a cookie cutter device, and have a dictatorial company tell you what you want, need, and desire
While controlling you with an iron fist, by all means, get iPad 3.
If you are your own unique person who can decide what you want on your own, I strongly suggest a lil green robot.
Pankaja13 said:
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
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I first tried the tf300 because it has the jb update but went to the infinity for its display. Once it gets jb you won't see lag any longer with it. I also tried the new ipad but returned it quickly, ios just too boring for me.
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If you want to be conformed to a cookie cutter device, and have a dictatorial company tell you what you want, need, and desire
While controlling you with an iron fist, by all means, get iPad 3.
If you are your own unique person who can decide what you want on your own, I strongly suggest a lil green robot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself :highfive:
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I first tried the tf300 because it has the jb update but went to the infinity for its display. Once it gets jb you won't see lag any longer with it. I also tried the new ipad but returned it quickly, ios just too boring for me.
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Same. You can change the wallpaper and that's it.
Big thanks to everyone who helped, but you can only press the "Thanks" button once
I've had some trouble trying to find it in South Asia... guess I'll have to wait a bit longer

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