Don’t say YouTube or blockbuster because both of those stream completely smooth at highest quality on 3G. Don’t say downloading apps as apps for these phones are so small they are are still downloadable in under a min on 1x. Don’t say uploading pics to facebook as that is very fast on 1x too.
Come on... No BS! No crazy hypothetical’s... We all do the same stuff all day, we browse facebook, we check email, we send text messages, and we download apps...
I understand this kind of thing in the PC world were speed is the only factor. But here it’s not. We are talking about downloading an ap in 20 seconds as opposed to 50 seconds... yet it costs you 3 hours of battery life to leave your phone in 4g to do it....
I just don’t understand.... Can someone please explain it to me? I don’t see any possible explanation.. Just give me one single valid usage example...!
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Don’t say YouTube or blockbuster because both of those stream completely smooth at highest quality on 3G. Don’t say downloading apps as apps for these phones are so small they are are still downloadable in under a min on 1x. Don’t say uploading pics to facebook as that is very fast on 1x too.
Come on... No BS! No crazy hypothetical’s... We all do the same stuff all day, we browse facebook, we check email, we send text messages, and we download apps...
I understand this kind of thing in the PC world were speed is the only factor. But here it’s not. We are talking about downloading an ap in 20 seconds as opposed to 50 seconds... yet it costs you 3 hours of battery life to leave your phone in 4g to do it....
I just don’t understand.... Can someone please explain it to me? I don’t see any possible explanation.. Just give me one single valid usage example...!
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task. I am not sure about streaming HQ on 3g, verizon 3g is pretty damn slow when everyone is on it, unless you live in a small city.
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task.
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task. I am not sure about streaming HQ on 3g, verizon 3g is pretty damn slow when everyone is on it, unless you live in a small city.
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Hey not so fast, I'm in a city of 50k people, that counts as pretty small, and I get crappy speeds too, youtube is not fast for me at all, takes over 30 seconds to start a video, and it needs to stop to buffer every 40-60 seconds usually, and web pages that aren't mobile take 10-20 seconds to load plenty of the time even inf full strong signal places, I'm talking like -54 to -58dbm places. I see a ton of people saying pages load instantly for them and that youtube high quality videos play instantly and never need to buffer, but it's not the case for me, and I know others with the same issue, clearly 3g is not universally fast enough for these basic tasks and to call those reasons bs is just ignorant.
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
Why do we need 1GB of ram? Dual Cores? These types of questions have been asked for centuries. The answer to all of them, because you should! I like having the extra speed on the task that I do on my phone on a daily bases. Browsing the net is faster, downloads are faster, buffering time is lower.
It's a new technology, and I think people are expecting too much in terms of battery life. It's a 1st generation LTE device, where not only is the technology on the phone new, but the network is relatively small. It was like EV-DO devices, you didn't really need them at the time. Their battery life was horrible when it was constantly searching for signal that you probably didn't use.
I don't really understand why anyone would buy a 4g device, then question the necessity of it. You can do everything on 1x, EV-DO, and LTE just the same as they all lead you to the same place. However, how much longer will each take?
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Weird, I am on my phone now on xda and even the forum takes 15 to 40 seconds to load a page, and that's time with the up and down arrows on 3g lit, the advocate site was mostly time with the browser sitting saying it is loading and not doing anything but still 20 or 30 seconds was active downloading. Not sure why it is so much faster for you on your phone than on my droid 2 global but I don't think my phone is messed up and even if it was there is no way to prove or verify that it is, verizon people would laugh me out of the store.
4g allows simultaneous voice and data
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That is done on the 3G network, nothing to do with lte
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That is done on the 3G network, nothing to do with lte
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Yep. It's done 3g via rev. A and rev. B bands
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Took me 7 seconds on 3g but I think he misspelled it. So I did advocate.com instead of adovcate.com and the page had alot more data to load but still completely loaded in about 17 seconds (cm7 stock browser)
Edit: Said he had .74mbps speed so maybe that's the factor there as I am getting 2.3mbps on 3g.
And for the original question, .....I am very impatient. When I hit enter I want it done. Try eating ice cream but make yourself take a minute before the spoon gets to your mouth.
3G is plenty fast no doubt, but faster is better.
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
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It took me 7 seconds to load this website completely on 3g.nn
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Oops website was misspelled.. advocate.com took 17 seconds to completely load using Dolphin beta...
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3g is fine for me but 1x is too slow. 4g is much faster but until they solve the battery drain issue, I will be on 3g most of the time.
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Am I the only one sick of these threads? 4G if awesome because I can watch sling box in full hq without any buffering times and download full movies to my phone in minutes instead of hours.
Those saying they dont need 4g, go back to your pentium 2 processor with 128mbs of ram and tell me why you like multiple core cpus and triple channel ram...
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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Sorry but your being unreasonable and only considering your personal habits apply to everyone else in the nation. You must be the lucky top 1 percent of the top 1 percent for 1X speeds because I couldn't get anything done on that slow junk. Not to mention for me 1X was going in and out, the network was in bad shape.
For those in the big city like myself, we were like 10,000 pigs fighting to get fed by one skinny momma pig.
Anyone smell a troll in the room?
I was trying to refrain from cutting down Verizon and giving them a hard time (this is my first post to actually give my opinion on the situation) but your post makes me want to let Verizon know this is in no way acceptable. I asked Verizon if I could go back to old 3g via 778 and their response was no don't it will mess up authentication on your phone....so they wanted me to stay on slow 1X, according to Verizon's rules, protocol or whatever we were all to stay on 1X.
This is XDA FYI
Just wondering, are you affiliated with Verizon?
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Am I the only one sick of these threads? 4G if awesome because I can watch sling box in full hq without any buffering times and download full movies to my phone in minutes instead of hours.
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I've watched both NHL Gamecenter Live and MLB At Bat games on both 3g and 4g and it's not even remotely close to the amount of latency I get on 3g vs 4g. I can stream an entire game on LTE without so much a hiccup vs on 3g where the game will basically scramble the image and put it back together pixel by pixel until it ends up freezing and I have to restart the stream.
Now that LTE is in the two places I am at the most (Philadelphia and the Lehigh Valley) it's no contest. I even have my Bolt in LTE Mode and if I don't have LTE I switch it up to wifi. Both are going to trump 3g speeds a majority of the time (at least where I'm at.)
If I wanted to stay on 3g I would've kept my X (and I loved that phone.) It's all about moving forward.
Oh God please tell me this is all a joke right?
There is no way you can be even satisfied with 2.3Down as a high average when Mine and many others High average is 14 or 15Down. I understand if your not in a LTE then Im sorry but... Youtube on HQ does not load even close to as fast on ANY 3G Network, on LTE I have never had to wait for a buffer.
Downloading MP3 in 2-3 seconds. When I was forced to use 3G yesterday took up to a minute on some songs, Songs now a days are 8-13mb because of increased quality.
Even daily usage, like going to webpages is faster, because... the internet is just faster. Especially flash websites, and watching embedded Flash videos. It used to be so bad that I would never show my phones ability to do embedded video, now that LTE can load a youtube video as fast as, if not faster, than WIFI... yeah I show it of a little.
Tethering, I cannot tell you how many times I have let people use my phones internet because UCF's Wifi was down, or they got poor signal or whatever... Even in my own house I have had to do this a couple times.
Beacuase everything is faster, you use more mb's. This first month, since april 3, I have used 6.7GB's tethering only at school or home for low mb usage. Most of the usage has been downloading mixtapes and stuff since I use the phone as my music player. Youtube also because it loads so fast I have used a lot as well.
Long story short: I was stuck on 3G yesterday, and not just tethering, but EVERYTHING was noticeably slower even opening fb, and I would NOT say that is acceptable in this day and Age, there is no defense for 3G or any 3G only-phone coming out, sorry Inc2. Until yesterday morning I forgot about 1X, Im trying to keep it forgotten!
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Check this out. Before I got my inspire I used a captivate and iPhone 4 and usually used about 3-4 gb of data per month. So I go buy the inspire off contract and I swear in the 2 months of use I went from 3-4 gb, to 6 gb, to a whopping 12 gb last month. So far this month with 19 days left in billing cycle I've used 7.7 gb. I've swapped the phone. I rarely tether, maybe 1 a week for 10 minutes. I don't have Pandora installed either. ATT said not to worry about it since I have unlimited data and they knew that I wasn't tethering but I'm just curious as to what's going on? I drive all day and mainly surf the web on the phone.
maybe something you installed? i don't tether, but i pandora and mspot and use around 500 meg per month. i tend to stay on wireless at work and at home and only 'stream' when in the car or at other people's homes.
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Check this out. Before I got my inspire I used a captivate and iPhone 4 and usually used about 3-4 gb of data per month. So I go buy the inspire off contract and I swear in the 2 months of use I went from 3-4 gb, to 6 gb, to a whopping 12 gb last month. So far this month with 19 days left in billing cycle I've used 7.7 gb. I've swapped the phone. I rarely tether, maybe 1 a week for 10 minutes. I don't have Pandora installed either. ATT said not to worry about it since I have unlimited data and they knew that I wasn't tethering but I'm just curious as to what's going on? I drive all day and mainly surf the web on the phone.
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What apps did you have installed?
I've used a 1gb this month (vs <500mb) but I've swapped phones (from Atrix to Inspire) so I'm not sure if some of it was downloading all the apps twice. But I did watch some music videos in HD so that could be more likely. On the Vevo app I think.
Holy ****. I never even come close to my 2 gb limit and i run a lot while streaming my itunes lib to ny phone with audiogalaxy.
I'm always on WiFi at mmy house and my girlfriends house
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You could download OS monitor and see which apps are running in the background. Background apps could be causing your data usage to go up.
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Only apps I have installed are angry birds and angry birds Rio, my ATT wireless, and that's pretty much it. I have no idea. I'm lost.
Unfortunately, in the end, it's a smartphone. A large amount of data is going to be consumed, but there are many applications that can limit the amount of data you use by setting a cap.
Just checked my AT&T bill prior to reading this thread and I have a 4.7 GB total. Ridiculous, I know. I don't stream mad YouTube videos, mainly just push e-mail and read a large amount of news feeds. Thank god for my old unlimited iPhone plan
are you using Moxier mail v2.8.2? i notice the data up/down arrows keep flashing non-stop 24/7! after i upgraded to v2.9.2, it fixed the problem.
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Only apps I have installed are angry birds and angry birds Rio, my ATT wireless, and that's pretty much it. I have no idea. I'm lost.
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Are you using a Sense ROM?
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I just started using roms less than a month ago. This phone is just a data hog. To netnerd, my H+ actually doesn't stream unless I'm on the net. As long as ATT doesn't give me a problem I'm cool. They did offer to try a different phone and see if it has any affect.
Sense social networking can use a ton of data.
do u really need other peoples input on how mych data u use..check your bilk
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The HTC sense account can use a massive amount of data. Remove it if you don't mind losing the find your phone feature.
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I remember when they first started talking about capping data plans last year, I checked my data usage on my iPhone 3GS and I was pushing 2gb a month; figured out that I was using most of it by streaming Pandora over my 3g about 5 nights a week while I slept. I've since switched over to Wifi at night. Just checked my Inspire usage, and I've used 384MB with 4 days left in my billing cycle. I haven't been streaming much music or video over it, though.
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I got the Inspire the weekend it came out. Waited about a month before I rooted the thing, since then I've been flashing left and right; usually I'm working with my Wifi at home, though.
I had issues after I tried my first custom ROM with battery drain issues; once it even cooked itself dead sitting in my pocket over about 2 hours. I think it was trying to auto-sync while I was in an area with just enough signal to show a connection, but not enough to move data, I was showing like 1/2 a bar signal. I bet it spent the battery trying to auto-sync the entire time. Makes me wonder how much data is being moved with Friendstream and other apps when it has all the signal it wants.
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do u really need other peoples input on how mych data u use..check your bilk
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What the hell are you talking about? I asked why the phone uses so much data. I know hoe much data I used, check the first post.
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Check this out. Before I got my inspire I used a captivate and iPhone 4 and usually used about 3-4 gb of data per month. So I go buy the inspire off contract and I swear in the 2 months of use I went from 3-4 gb, to 6 gb, to a whopping 12 gb last month. So far this month with 19 days left in billing cycle I've used 7.7 gb. I've swapped the phone. I rarely tether, maybe 1 a week for 10 minutes. I don't have Pandora installed either. ATT said not to worry about it since I have unlimited data and they knew that I wasn't tethering but I'm just curious as to what's going on? I drive all day and mainly surf the web on the phone.
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If this is your first HTC smartphone, be very careful of how you setup your HTC Sync settings. From your phone, select Menu -> Settings -> Accounts & Sync. Check to see if your "Auto-sync" checkbox is checked or unchecked. If it's checked, you may want to uncheck that. HTC Sync can chew through data if you let it. Also, just make sure you don't have email/apps set to push (like email) that you don't mind manually updating. When web browsing, setup your browser to display Flash on-demand, rather than load content that you don't really need. Check your GPS settings, also.
IM almost at 4gb and I am supposed to only get 2gb haha
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I'll check that out. What about background data?
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IM almost at 4gb and I am supposed to only get 2gb haha
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I'm telling ya, this thing eats data for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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I'll check that out. What about background data?
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You can uncheck that box if you want, but if you open up the Android Market, the Market app will prompt you to enable background data in order to continue, even if you're on Wi-Fi. You can always check the box to allow the data, do your downloading/updating of apps, then close the Market and uncheck the box again if you want.
Now don’t laugh... It’s a valid question. I am all about speed. I have a 6 core CPU in my PC that is totally useless but makes me feel good. I get that.
But I honestly don’t see what I need faster network speeds on my phone for... Everything I do is fast. I am never like... "Come on load!!" on my phone... So why would I sacrifice battery life for internet speed I don’t use or need?
I understand if you are using your phone as a wireless hotspot you would want that speed. But what else? Can you guys even suggest things I could try on my phone that would make me want faster speeds? We don’t have Netflix yet but maybe that is one. But movies can buffer and from what I understand they will play smooth on 3G with no problems.
So what is it? You just want the speed because it’s there? Again if that’s it I get that!
But what are actually apps or usages that you can experience a difference. Because right now nothing I do seems to have a speed issue on 3G.
Let me follow that long winded post up with something straight to the point…
Seems like 99.9% of what I do on my phone is power critical (meaning I want to be able to do all of it as long as I can without charging) and not internet speed critical at all. So why would I ever turn 4G on?
Wow those facebook pics loaded in .2 seconds instead of .8 seconds. Good thing even though I’m only going to be able to browse facebook for 2.5 hours instead of 8 to get that difference!
I am also interested to see in what people can make up.
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Well I live in the middle of no where and can't get good internet so I will be using 4G LTE to tether as soon as the towers are put up which should be soon since it's announced.
That's cool and is a valid reason. But will still be a total pain in the ass. You will soon just want a 4G usb aircard or seperate MIFI device... Trying to use your phone as your sole internet connection sucks.
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I'd like to try to use 4G as much as I can because I am using the TB as a videophone so I can talk with my Deaf clients and also be able to access sign language interpreters while placing phone calls to hard of hearing clients and hearing vendors. The minimum requirement I found for smooth video and audio seems to be two signal bars in 3G. 4G or at least two WiFi "waves" is preferred.
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Tethering with 4g is awesome when you cant get on wifi.
Video playback on 4g is fast and you can also watch higher quality videos.
Downloading apps and whatnot is lightning fast.
I have had pda type phones for the last 8 years, the thunder bolt speed is awesome.
That being said..
Dont be a moron and leave the 4g on if you dont care about 4g speeds. Save your fricking battery and turn 4g off.
Latency seems better overall on LTE versus the normal 3G CDMA, which means something if you care about how fast you get your data from the internet.
On an unrelated note, I would love to have a 6 core cpu, so I could use the extra cores for virtual machines or compiling and the rest for normal stuff, so there are indeed uses for things that seems "useless."
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I just had a lol moment..
I thought i might try and run vm server and load up 2008 server and a vm client machine.
FYI dont do what i did.. Load it up on a laptop with only 4gb of ram and a slow 5400rpm hard drive.
Just in case everyone forgot. Come may 15th wireless tether will be a payer and tiered feature. When your using 4g on your computer you will use that up real quick. Unless you use wireless tether for root users but that is becoming somewhat of a risk nowadays since Verizon isn't raking in enough money yet.
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Hulu. Watching all youtube vids in HD. Open up future video streaming apps. Online multiplayer games. It's not just a speed increase but you will also get voice and data the same time. I don't have a desktop computer at home so I do all my computer needs on my cellular. 85% of the things I do on my phone is data related. Also if you think about it whenever verizon gets all the bugs out on there 4G network it could save on battery life. Now hear me out I think the lesser time your downloading or uploading the less strain it will be on your battery. As opposed to same processing but slower speeds meaning more time consuming battery (longer download and upload time) because that's what is really killing the battery is battery consumption via data. Idk just thinking.
Same as above
I watch YouTube vids in high quality mode all the time. Virtually impossible without 4g.
Also Google maps loads way quick... Which is the one thing I hate waiting on.
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Sling Player Mobile...
SlingBox over 4G is awesome...
So clear, so good...
(i took the picture while it was transitioning to another scene...)
Not to be a jerk or anything but I watch YouTube videos in HD on 3g. I get 2.5kb down and can watch entire videos without a hitch.
Although an entire hulu video may be a different story. I am able to watch entire hockey games in high quality with the nhl app.
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I can do hq youtube on 3g with no problems. I love the 4g when I am using the slingbox though. I could never put it in hq over 3g so that is nice. I also download all my cds right from my phone so its nice to have them in 2 min instead of 20.
Also streaming music from the amazon cloud is much nicer on 4g
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I get voice and data at the same time in a 3G or 4G area with the TBolt...
Does not matter...
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I get voice and data at the same time in a 3G or 4G area with the TBolt...
Does not matter...
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Same. With how the phone is built you can talk and surf in 3g or 4g on this phone. Its one of the TB's major plusses.
It's probably just me, but I find it funny that you guys all can do things immediately on 3g, I find major waiting times. Even in the best signal places where I get 1-2mbps down I still have to wait 5-20 seconds for my droid 2 global to load a page, it is a pain.
For example, right now I am in my dorm in Burlington, VT, my phone has a signal between -68 and 70dbm at 0 asu, and the current speedtest.net app shows .65-.7mbps down and .63-.65 up. Not great speeds, but within what 3g is supposed to be, and if I want to watch a high quality youtube video, I go to the youtube app, count that it takes 14 seconds to load, I am doing this right now. Click the new ray william johnson video, and it takes 24 seconds to start, then 1:02 into the video it freezes for 43 more seconds. At this point I deem 3g unuseable for youtube videos. When I am getting super awesome over 1mbps speeds then I usually only wait 5-10 seconds and it doesn't freeze, usually, but still 3g can very often and for a large number of people be slow. Similarly web pages take a while to load too, I mean sure if I load the mobile version of a webpage it is fairly fast, 4-5 second waits usually, but for those sites without mobile pages or where mobile pages are too limiting, it can take forever to load, I constantly have to look away from my phone for 20 or more seconds then look back to still see it loading. I imagine 4g would run at a minimum of 3mbps even if it was way way over used and signal was bad, so for me that is why 4g makes sense.
Also the thunderbolt is the first 4g lte phone for verizon, clearly there are still issues to work out and battery useage can be made significantly better, I don't see the current power use of 4g as an indicator of power use a year or 2 down the line.
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... since Verizon isn't raking in enough money yet.
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I lol'd hard ... also no 3G here yet
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Now don’t laugh... It’s a valid question. I am all about speed. I have a 6 core CPU in my PC that is totally useless but makes me feel good. I get that.
But I honestly don’t see what I need faster network speeds on my phone for... Everything I do is fast. I am never like... "Come on load!!" on my phone... So why would I sacrifice battery life for internet speed I don’t use or need?
I understand if you are using your phone as a wireless hotspot you would want that speed. But what else? Can you guys even suggest things I could try on my phone that would make me want faster speeds? We don’t have Netflix yet but maybe that is one. But movies can buffer and from what I understand they will play smooth on 3G with no problems.
So what is it? You just want the speed because it’s there? Again if that’s it I get that!
But what are actually apps or usages that you can experience a difference. Because right now nothing I do seems to have a speed issue on 3G.
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I asked this same question once and got ridiculed for it. I think perhaps in the future we'll need more speed on our cell network but right now I get all the speed I need off of wifi at work or home. I would love to see some innovations in faster processors without compromising any battery life. Or I'd love to see them develop better batteries. I like 4G but I hope we see faster phones with better batteries before anyone even mentions 5G.
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I just got my Sensation 4g from Walmart. It is on HSPA+ on T-Mobile and when trying to open a web site or sync Facebook or use any kind of data for that matter it is slow to connect if it even connects at all. I then have to hit refresh a few times before it actually kicks in. Is anyone having any similar issues? I had a myTouch4g previously and never experienced this.
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I just got my Sensation 4g from Walmart. It is on HSPA+ on T-Mobile and when trying to open a web site or sync Facebook or use any kind of data for that matter it is slow to connect if it even connects at all. I then have to hit refresh a few times before it actually kicks in. Is anyone having any similar issues? I had a myTouch4g previously and never experienced this.
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Yep mine too. Somtimes its super fast. Sometimes super slow
Had the same exact issue. All good now. Even WiFi was capped at 1.5 download for some reason.
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i noticed that also with mines.. even when it dies get a bit fast it is still just a tad faster than what my nexus s was. I live in Orlando, one of tmo's supposid biggest 4g markets
I've also noticed the same thing.
Same thing here. Did a speed test and it says I am only getting 573 kbps download and 217 kbps upload
I had dial-up that's faster than that lol
EDIT: Tried running the test again, and I keep getting a network connection error, and it won't even run the test. but I got 4 bars. Wtf?
Its not that my speeds are that slow its like it takes forever to start going. Its annoying because the first time it never works right away. Has anyone been able to find a fix? It reminds me of my Nexus. If this continues I definititly cant keep this phone. A radio update might be the only fix
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Its not that my speeds are that slow its like it takes forever to start going. Its annoying because the first time it never works right away. Has anyone been able to find a fix? It reminds me of my Nexus. If this continues I definititly cant keep this phone. A radio update might be the only fix
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I'm thinking HTC could fix a lot of their issues with an update. Include a radio update, a software update for the touchscreen problems, and unlock the bootloader, all in one package hopefully
We soups should report this on their fb page
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epg0 said:
Its not that my speeds are that slow its like it takes forever to start going. Its annoying because the first time it never works right away. Has anyone been able to find a fix? It reminds me of my Nexus. If this continues I definititly cant keep this phone. A radio update might be the only fix
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I'm noticing the same thing. Hopefully an easy software fix.
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Experiencing the same thing; this morning on the way in had 4 bars of 4g and it wouldn't connect to anything. Reboot fixed it; then it happened again. Very tempted to return and wait it out for a little bit.
Also been getting "error 502's" all over the place...egh
Try this.
Speed up the latency on your Sensation
Market loads instantly now.
Thanks digi, I was just about to post this. Its working great for me!
Edit your OP with the link for the "FIX"
ChrisAC84 said:
Same thing here. Did a speed test and it says I am only getting 573 kbps download and 217 kbps upload
I had dial-up that's faster than that lol
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dial-up doesn't get any faster than 56 kbps at the most.. just saying
I'm having the same issues. Full bars of 4G coverage, but one minute I'm getting 9Mbps download speeds, the next minute everything is timing out. It's gotten very frustrating.
The "fix" posted above did nothing for me.
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I'm having the same issues. Full bars of 4G coverage, but one minute I'm getting 9Mbps download speeds, the next minute everything is timing out. It's gotten very frustrating.
The "fix" posted above did nothing for me.
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Mine fixed for a while then went back to same thing
Samsung introduced a new feature on the SGS2 called "Fast Dormancy." It's a battery saving feature that disconnects data when not active. It might be a feature in 2.3 and HTC might have enabled it too. Maybe you guys can find the toggle.
Here's the SGS2 thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1111581
pakraider said:
dial-up doesn't get any faster than 56 kbps at the most.. just saying
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Smartass, lol. I was making a point
E-MAC said:
I'm having the same issues. Full bars of 4G coverage, but one minute I'm getting 9Mbps download speeds, the next minute everything is timing out. It's gotten very frustrating.
The "fix" posted above did nothing for me.
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This is exactly what's happening with me. I think it mgiht be a coverage thing, I checked the coverage map and it shows as Moderate at best in my little area
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This is exactly what's happening with me. I think it mgiht be a coverage thing, I checked the coverage map and it shows as Moderate at best in my little area
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There are a couple of reasons I don't believe it's a coverage issue. Mainly, I'm within 200 yds of a tower. When data is working, it's really strong. If the signal were weak, I can't imagine getting 9 Mbps download speeds. The speeds would be consistently poor rather than excellent one minute and not working at all the next. Also, nobody else in the area with a TMO 4G phone is having this issue.
Hey everyone, I am going nuts with skype not working like it did on my old HTC Leo and thought I would ask everyone this.
I know why skype craps out for me, the download speed is good but the upload I get is around 10kbs. Now my old 3g leo could skype like a champ and I often used it that way, but now with the one S I can't seem to do it. I assume its the awful upload speed issue but I am in Naperville IL myself and can't see why I get fast download but the upload speed seems to be crap or will burst for a moment and then just stop.
Could anyone else let me know if it's a problem or do a speed test for me so I know if it's just me or what?
I live in Denver area, and these are my speeds. It does appear that it may just be something with your area, but I'm not sure.
At my house I'm about 8-11 Mbps constant down with 3-4 Mbps up.
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I was wondering how many people actually use wifi calling? I personally do not always had dropped call issues even stock unrooted. I ask this cuz I read that milestone 6 build 2 has removed to increase Wi-Fi stability. If that's the case maybe it could be excluded from builds till we get another kernal
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anoymonos said:
I was wondering how many people actually use wifi calling? I personally do not always had dropped call issues even stock unrooted. I ask this cuz I read that milestone 6 build 2 has removed to increase Wi-Fi stability. If that's the case maybe it could be excluded from builds till we get another kernal
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I use is very frequently at home because I don't get very good coverage. I have problems with drops on it, though. I get "Wifi signal lost. Call dropped." but never really took the time to look into the issue, though, due to lack of time.
I also use it a lot at home, because T-Mo's signal is very weak inside our condo. Obviously, my wifi signal is very strong when I'm sitting in the same room as the router, so I don't have issues with dropped calls on wifi.
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I also use it a lot at home, because T-Mo's signal is very weak inside our condo. Obviously, my wifi signal is very strong when I'm sitting in the same room as the router, so I don't have issues with dropped calls on wifi.
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I'm actually near my router when it happens. I have a repeater across the house (with line of sight to the main router) so that I have really good coverage. I don't know if my problem is potentially the router & repeater dropping the call when they re-handshake, if it's my router (it's a tad old) doing something stupid, or if it's a T-Mobile issue. It is potentially a combination.
This was discussed the other night in irc. Bhundven stated we will never get wifi calling on the ics roms. There is libs that cant be ported in to the builds. Im sure somebody will come along and say otherwise but until they can prove him and m4xm4n wrong Im going to figure this is fact and not bug them about it.
Like I said in the other thread there is two options, but I forgot about the third so actually its three.
1. Use something like grooveip and forward calls to your google number.
2. Stick with stock based roms.
3 Put a bounty up get enough people donating and we might get other devs interested in helping out to find a way to make it work.
I dont think it will happen but who knows.
I can care less if it ever works I'm on an unlimited plan and don't understand in this day and age why people would settle for anything less, I know times are tough but this is our toy get the most out of it
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anoymonos said:
I can care less if it ever works
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Then why start a thread about it?
i was just interested to see how many people actually use this service, i would of just added a poll to it but could find that option. If you read the OP I stated that i read that it was removed from kernal to increase wi-fi stability. My point is that if removing this from roms until a fix is found, would many people really care. If it increases my wi-fi by removing this im all for that no matter what rom i am running, and if not many members use it i'd say keep it gone. This is just my opinion
anoymonos said:
I can care less if it ever works I'm on an unlimited plan and don't understand in this day and age why people would settle for anything less, I know times are tough but this is our toy get the most out of it
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Its not a matter of having unlimited minutes. Its in some areas t-mo has no service. Like certain office building or 20 miles out in the middle of no-where.
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where are you getting WI-FI in the middle of nowhere lol
anoymonos said:
where are you getting WI-FI in the middle of nowhere lol
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Some people have this thing call wired internet that is connected to a wifi router. They put them in their houses so their computers can connect to them.
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Some people have this thing call wired internet that is connected to a wifi router. They put them in their houses so their computers can connect to them.
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my bad thought you meant like in the middle of the dessert you know away from you home
anoymonos said:
I can care less if it ever works I'm on an unlimited plan and don't understand in this day and age why people would settle for anything less, I know times are tough but this is our toy get the most out of it
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For those with limited minutes, that's still not always the issue - most Tmo plans (with a couple exceptions) still count wifi calling against your minutes. It's purely a matter of reception and/or clarity. Tmo decided not to support femtocell (personal cell tower) solutions in favor of wifi calling to cover dead spots.
Likewise, it's not always a matter of being in the middle of nowhere. I'm in a large city, my office is a quarter mile from a tower, but reception inside is spotty due to thick, reinforced walls. My apartment is on a basement level, with no signal whatsoever. Without wifi calling, I'm stuck on stock derived roms for the time being. I'm considering GrooveIP, as I've used my gVoice number for everything for years, but have reliability and memory use concerns about going that route.
All that said, I can also understand perfectly well why it's not supported on the current CM roms, and why it is unlikely to be supported any time in the near future. I appreciate the work that's gone into them, and hope sometime soon I'll have a chance to try them out.
A series of tubes
LOL!
eollie said:
Some people have this thing call wired internet that is connected to a wifi router. They put them in their houses so their computers can connect to them.
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I am fine at home, but we have similar work situations. I'm in the 2nd basement of my building and no signal at all. I also have a child in high school...in a major city, which means I NEED TO BE CONNECTED. Kids in the city...you never know, right? For a minute I thought Erikmm's miui 2.0 was giving me wifi calling, but discovered after a day of missed calls that it does not. So, I fall back to Raver's Val Black for my daily (using miui home launcher for the eye candy) and flash new stuff, like erikmm and dao, on the weekends, just to play. Slight pain in the butt moving back to V Black each Sunday night, but it's worth it.
jameyc said:
For those with limited minutes, that's still not always the issue - most Tmo plans (with a couple exceptions) still count wifi calling against your minutes. It's purely a matter of reception and/or clarity. Tmo decided not to support femtocell (personal cell tower) solutions in favor of wifi calling to cover dead spots.
Likewise, it's not always a matter of being in the middle of nowhere. I'm in a large city, my office is a quarter mile from a tower, but reception inside is spotty due to thick, reinforced walls. My apartment is on a basement level, with no signal whatsoever. Without wifi calling, I'm stuck on stock derived roms for the time being. I'm considering GrooveIP, as I've used my gVoice number for everything for years, but have reliability and memory use concerns about going that route.
All that said, I can also understand perfectly well why it's not supported on the current CM roms, and why it is unlikely to be supported any time in the near future. I appreciate the work that's gone into them, and hope sometime soon I'll have a chance to try them out.
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