http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/t-mobile-g2x-lacks-quadband-hspa-shatters-dreams/
So glad i didnt buy this now. Oh well...
Alas, returning the phone was justified. I know that for the average customer this might not have been a big deal, but I wanted a true high end global HSDPA device. I wanted it to be true so much...
Oh well, still a great phone for those who do not care about the missing bands.
Onwards with the custom roms!
Stinks and some major fubared information on the website. Oh well, awesome phone.
So much for that....back to my vibrant for now.....
I thought that this phone passed the fcc with the tmobile and att bands. Dont really care, cause most likely I will have moved on to another phone by the time the merger happens. So whats going on. Does anyone know the link to the fcc filing.
Yeah, was sad for a second and then I picked up the phone and used it and I didn't care anymore
I haven't cared since I read att won't be switching off aws too soon and they would grandfather in all T-Mobile plans. Also not even sure I'd stay with att if the merger does happen anyway. Depends on too much and this phone is too amazing to return now. Super satisfied with my purchase.
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best news ive heard all week
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i know for those that wanted to use this phone on att it sucks. but for me i signed a 2 year contract based on this phone. if and when the att merger goes through. they will have to offer you out of your contract or supply you with a new phone. and since id cut off my right foot before id use att ever again, i think this is great news. I think it will be 18-24 months before you see any changes even if it goes through anyways, so i think the only problem here is if you wanted to use this phone on att. which i think was not wanted by tmobile, they want you to come to tmobile thats why they offer this phone.--only prob was advertising it did have those bands. but it did get straightened out in the return time. If anyone paid an early term fee and paid full price for this phone to work on att-tmobile better make it financially right or they will have some problems, im betting they will.
You know I still have a hard time believing this. I can't see how it passed the FCC with such false advertising and because the were spitting it out so much. I just have a sneaky suspicion that we'll see a radio that has the AT&T bands. That quote was probably just from some Customer Service rep reading off a script.
Why would TMOBILE say, "Yea it supports other carriers"? It would be in there best interest to say you have to use it on our network.
I think the phone is a Quad Band and could support it if the radio was opened up. The only time I'll believe it is when I hear it from some of the devs here on XDA.
But really what does it matter? Most phones don't support both bands. I hear people saying, I'm just going to buy the Sensation... well that isn't going to be quad band either (unless I'm missing something).
What is the point of the FCC if they don't check these things? The FCC is supposed to make sure that the product being offered works as intended and advertised. I mean there are just too many things pointing out that the device IS CAPABLE of the receiving the different frequencies.
Tmobile probably just blocked the frequencies in the radio and are saying this just to shut people up.
(sorry I posted this over the course of 5 phone calls so it may not be in logical order)
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You know I still have a hard time believing this. I can't see how it passed the FCC with such false advertising and because the were spitting it out so much. I just have a sneaky suspicion that we'll see a radio that has the AT&T bands. That quote was probably just from some Customer Service rep reading off a script.
Why would TMOBILE say, "Yea it supports other carriers"? It would be in there best interest to say you have to use it on our network.
I think the phone is a Quad Band and could support it if the radio was opened up. The only time I'll believe it is when I hear it from some of the devs here on XDA.
But really what does it matter? Most phones don't support both bands. I hear people saying, I'm just going to buy the Sensation... well that isn't going to be quad band either (unless I'm missing something).
What is the point of the FCC if they don't check these things? The FCC is supposed to make sure that the product being offered works as intended and advertised. I mean there are just too many things pointing out that the device IS CAPABLE of the receiving the different frequencies.
Tmobile probably just blocked the frequencies in the radio and are saying this just to shut people up.
(sorry I posted this over the course of 5 phone calls so it may not be in logical order)
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fcc's job.
thanks for the million
pass.
so disappointed. guess i'll hold on to my phone a little while longer
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Wait, how is it not a "true high end global HSPA device" ? It's quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 for 2G/GPRS and UMTS/HSPA+ bands I (2100) and IV (1700).
So it will work pretty much everywhere in the world (just no HSPA+ on AT&T network).
So what phone will you get that is a "true high end global HSPA device" ?
It is not confirmed....ha, lg made this phone, until they release a statement that they never put the bands in the phone, or never plan to enable then in future baseband updates, nothing is official yet.
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This is really something.
A poster elsewhere on XDA had gotten a written statement from TMo that it had those bands (followed by legal gobbledygook terms & conditions stating that they reserved the right to make or not make them available.
Now. their statement saying "opps" they goofed. I will give this another day or two to get sorted out (traveling all day tomorrow). I will then decide whether to return it and wait for their next two-core phone (which is supposed to come with 2.4 on it - if you can believe TMo anymore).
I am on a rooted CM7 OC MT4G - not a bad place to wait for a later release. If I miss their 20 day return window - will raise hell - as I had relied on their written representations that the G2x had the AT&T data bands.
Footnote - I am still confused as to why they show up in the "hidden menu".
I'm going to use the phone until the Sensation comes out. I have a print out of the spec sheet off of tmobile.com showing it's supposed to be a quad-band phone. I'll call tech support and tell them I'm having trouble connecting to the 1900 band. They'll tell me I can't. I'll forward them the spec sheet showing I bought a quad-band phone based on their representations. Voila... new phone.
Bummer if it ends up being true. Got official word on the diamond some years ago that it had no physical bands and 6 months later a version with those bands came out and a few weeks after that it was enabled on all the phones that supposedly didnt have them but did thanks to the smart people here. At any rate this one is off the list for now. Leaves an aT&T user without anything to look at that isnt locked down or just plain sucks for the moment.
I don't understand why everybody thinks FCC info is false.
I told you so but y'all didn't listen.
any possible group law suite?
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I'm going to use the phone until the Sensation comes out. I have a print out of the spec sheet off of tmobile.com showing it's supposed to be a quad-band phone. I'll call tech support and tell them I'm having trouble connecting to the 1900 band. They'll tell me I can't. I'll forward them the spec sheet showing I bought a quad-band phone based on their representations. Voila... new phone.
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You might also want to print out and save the statement by TMo on the link attached below also. I am think if I keep this - may do the same. On the border right now on keeping or returning it in the next few days.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1041402&highlight=ATT&page=11
Related
http://www.loweringthebarforus.org/news/entry/will_t-mobile_usa_disappear_in_2011
looks like tmobile is closing down? what do you think?
The last sentence in the article sums it up nicely "The brand name may disappear but the company operations and stakeholders will remain."
TMo just replaced their US CEO with new blood (lets let some of the Euro hardware in, m'kay?) like literally just a few weeks ago, and they're suggesting they're pretty aggressive with continuing the rollout of HSPA+ nationwide. The Voice Stream er Tmobile name may go away, but the entity it self isn't going anywhere.
...And although Sprint and Tmobile's target demographic does suggest a lot of overlap, in my belief, in the event of an end of days scenario for Tmo the most likely acquirer of tmo would be.... ATT! Tmo is shaped nicely to fit into the hole in ATT's portfolio. ATT is phasing out of iDevice exclusivity quite soon and would welcome the inflows of Android devices and their higher than normal profit margins. And for the shareholders, such an acquisition would give ATT significantly more Mobile exposure and offset some of the massive cash hemmoraging from their ailing Landline business. And finally, a huge majority of Tmo's Phones in the US were originally equipped with ATT compatible radios in their source countries where ATT already has a presence, then converted for the US - the whole thing just lines up quite well!
If ATT does pick up TMo,im deffinately leaving. Not sure who ill switch to tho,everyone else is more expensive and ATT doesnt have "unlimited data" anymore. Sprint's customer service sucks,and Verizon will charge you as much as they want cause they can.
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If ATT does pick up TMo,im deffinately leaving...
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+1 me too! I truly hope TMOUS stays…I like my service and the customer support is better than any other phone service I have had.
I wouldn't worry to much about it. They claim their lack of 4G is whats gonna hold them back. But whats funny is untill last year every network but sprint said 4G was a joke and would never work. After seeing the first 4G phone appear on the market I'm inclined to think 4G is gonna be a failure for mobile. No one wants a phone with 2 hours of battery life in trade for double the speed. Besides didn't Tmo already say they plan to roll out 4G in 2012, and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon saying 2011. If I were tmo I would skip it and hold out. They already use 3.75G Also the OPs post looks like a propoganda blog, heres the latest real news site report on TMO
http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/tmobile-expanding-4g-061610/
They are claiming their 3G with HSPA or whatever is actually faster then sprint 4G. LOL Having tried all the 3G networks around here I wouldn't disagree with this statement. All my coworkers have to hook up to my phone via wifi to get any HD video on their phones. For some reason Verizon, ATT, and Sprint don't support it through their data plans, yet all 4 can connect to my Tmo 3G and watch HD youtube all night. We all though this would of made a great Tmo, Verizon, ATT map commercial.
Sounds like a lot of baseless speculation, just like a Sprint/Nextel merger. Teaming up with Virgin Mobile? Really
T-Mobile won't be acquired by AT&T, don't worry about it. If AT&T could kill some competition and become #1 they would've purchased T-Mobile
T-Mobile is still making millions, unlike Sprint.
Actaully sprints not in too bad of shape. They have many loans out but all are paid up and they have live 200 million in the bank for a rainy day. They took out billions to roll out 4G and now they basically own it and are years ahead of everyone else in 4G. I've actaully noticed many more sprint phones the past 6 months too. That Dan guy must be doing something right. LOL
BTW I'm getting
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Boy they aren't kidding, the HSPA doubled your 3G speed. Hopefully we will get it in a couple months.
Sprint 4G is usually pulling 4-5 down ? up.
That's weird, they opened a store near me recently.
Pure rumors...Good old Tmobile is not going anywhere!
Do y'all think they will eventually make a Nexus S for 850 and 1900 3G bands like they did for the Nexus One?
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Regarding UK carriers - wrong. The Nexus S already has UMTS 2100 which is used UK-wide, and UMTS 900 which is about to gain greater adoption in the UK. No carrier in Europe uses AT&T's bands.
But regarding Canadian carriers, yes, it'd make sense to produce a UMTS 850/1900 version. That doesn't mean it's incredibly likely to happen.
Well I hope it does! Everyone is really downing the phone and theyve never even held it! Google put their name on it so I bet its way better than people are making it out to be
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I hope so too
I will surely jump from my Nexus One
I love it, but a change of looks would be nice
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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That was a false positive. The TMobile Vibrant has 1900 3g but it's never had 850.
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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The Nexus S is being sold @ a subsidized price: $199 w/ contract
Google and Samsung do serve to make money for shareholders, but Google does so primarily by making people happy, that is why their services are mostly free. Happy customers are Google's commodity.
About the AT&T 3G bands: I got an "i don't know" from a Google Software developer this morning on Twitter, so doubtful it will be around the Tmobile launch, but I don't think there is any question with the phone being sold in Best Buy and the way Samsung handled the Galaxy, it won't be too long
If there was a 850MHz version, I would put my order in tonight as I'm itching for a 4" phone (perfect size IMO). I have a feeling there probably wont be one though, as the Nexus S is more about having an up to date, clean-slate phone for developers to use and for Google to showcase new Android features. I doubt they care about maximizing sales of them, and there's probably not a lot to gain by opening them up to AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus customers, especially after all the testing and certification requirements.
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
SoberGuy said:
While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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Ah, didn't know that.
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Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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That's easy for you to say. I'd jump on Tmobile in a heartbeat but they have no, and I mean none, service at my work. Since I spend the majority of my time there it rules out Tmobile for me. So lets hope an ATT compatible version comes out in a few months.
Yeah I would happily drop 500+ dollars on a at&t nexus s if they make one for 850 and 1900 3G bands
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dan1431 said:
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
Dan
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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yeah i dont understand it either. it seems as though these manufacturers actually HURT their sales by not being forthcoming right off the bat. we all dance around the issue, not knowing to buy or not buy, will an 850 version come later for me, etc. nobody is gonna drop 500 with that type of info. just lay it all out there from the beginning so people know to buy or not!
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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If more people supported developers, credit wouldn't be needed. . . .
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
dan1431 said:
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I was guessing the same thing. Either there is RIDICULOUSLY good T-Mo reception at the Mountain View campus OR it has to be some sort of deal between T-Mo and Google.
I remember when the G1 came out. I was thinking "wow, what an ugly phone. Android seems like a cool concept but seeing how it works on that phone is crappy. boo hiss etc". The phone did not seem to have much promise compared to the other competitors (windows mobile and....iphone). Naturally T-Mo took a huge risk carrying and promoting the at the time unknown phone. It seems like that faith has paid off because Google has chose T-Mobile as the only official carrier of ALL of their developer phones (ADP1 (G1), ADP2 (MT3G), Nexus One, and now the Nexus S.)
Or maybe it's some combination of both of those theories.
Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, if you have an interest in this, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, it may not be a bad idea to help us out and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are interested and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ATT-FAIL/192913167407257
Here is more info from engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/atandt-says-its-testing-hsupa-on-atrix-4g-will-turn-it-on-eventu/
Thanks in advance.
Gr8Danes said:
Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, my plea to you, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, please help us out if you can and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are willing and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
Thanks in advance.
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We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.
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We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.
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I agree about the 4G understandably not being ready yet. However, we are talking about 3G that is readily available to the Apple devices (Unfairly).
As for the bootloader, that is another topic all together. The Captivate users should be apart of this because those that wish not to root their devices, they should also be able to utilize the HSUPA feature on their devices as it is supported and fully functional on AT&T's network. This is nothing but biasness of AT&T for the Apple products. AT&T itself has confirmed that they disabled the HSUPA on these devices. Motorola is just doing what AT&T told them to do.
If you think this post is not of interest to the Captivate users, feel free to delete it. Though I (and many others here) have friends that would benefit from it as they choose not to root their devices and should be able to use it.
I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Little off topic here, but i noticed your Lehigh icon, student or alum?
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I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Yes. Vote with your wallet and your 30 day return policy. Petitions etc. are a waste of time. Hoping that they'll spontaneously open HSUPA and/or unlock the bootloader only encourages them to do neither of those things.
Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.
Gr8Danes said:
Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.
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When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
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Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.
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When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
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Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.
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Well, if you don't want to be apart of it and you don't think it will do any good, then don't participate in it. Plain and simple.
I just wanted to let people know about what was going on, and if they felt that it would be a benefit to them or others they knew, then they could help us out. Personally, I never expected that we would have even received a response from AT&T about it, but with what we have done so far, we have.
Also, AT&T was never intending on giving us HSUPA on the Atrix. Now that we have brought so much attention to it, they have stated that they will be enabling it (eventually), so we are making steps to attain what we want. Now if we can just get them to commit to a date, many of us would be happy. I would like to see AT&T also commit to enabling it for the Captivate and Inspire owners.
We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...
qwertyaas said:
We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...
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But the GPS issue is from Samsung's end and not AT&T's. I can't blame AT&T for faulty hardware or software that Samsung made. (Unless AT&T knowingly told them to make crappy GSP hardware/software for it so that we couldn't use it)
Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.
qwertyaas said:
Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.
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No, they are only doing what at&t instructed them to do since it is their network. Just as Samsung did with the Captivate and disabled HSUPA on that.
Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.
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Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.
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Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.
Gr8Danes said:
Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.
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The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....
shoman94 said:
The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....
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Yea, I realize that, and that was my point. If they were worried about their network not being able to handle us Captivate, Atrix, and Inspire owners, then why would they add all those IPad 2's to that same network? This is a case of pure bias towards a manufacturer of a device.
The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.
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The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.
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Its possibly due to some deal apple/att has to have hsupa enabled on apples phones and disabled on other phones, who knows, its all business bs you know.
This is what I am talking about. We need people to get the press involved like this with petitions, and filings with the BBB. This only got to be such a big story after enough people saw a problem with it and stood up for what they want. Yes, they do make a difference. AT&T has committed to updating the modem in the Atrix now.......but waiting on the hard set date still bugs me.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381915,00.asp
The Captivate will be left in the dust now that only the Atrix and Inspire owners have complained. I was just hoping that the Captivate community would be apart of it too (for those that don't root).
Why is it that people feel they are OWED something by a company every time they get overly emotional due to their purchase not doing what THEY think it should?
Atrix users purchased a phone that only advertised HSDPA up to 14.4. It's what's been on the advertisement since the first day it went up on AT&T's site. It's not AT&T's fault that you purchased a phone that isn't sold with that support functional.
Yes, it sucks that they don't have it enabled from the get-go. But there's always a reason, be it a business decision or the technology's maturity. Are you forgetting that the Xoom shipped without 4G, Flash OR a working MicroSDHC slot??? How do you know, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that it isn't merely a matter of Motorola working out all of the kinks in their HSUPA-capable firmware? Heck, it could be like the BB Bold 9000, where it was highly rumored that due to the stability/spread of 3G in 2008 they held off its release to ensure that the phone couldn't be held to blame. And to be honest, I don't blame them... I had my 3G aircard and life was miserable until that fall!
By spamming the BBB, FB, etc, you're clouding the issue... The fact of the matter is that you bought the phone as-is -- so unless it was advertised as supporting HSUPA OUT OF THE BOX, you have no legal ground to stand on.
If it were a simple, "Hey, we want HSUPA installed by default!" it might be a bandwagon worth hopping on... But between the immaturity and lack of correct understanding and focus on the issue, it's not worth wasting your time.
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Unless I'm reading something wrong on the HTC Sensation's specification page, it looks like it does not support HSPA+ or AT&T 3G bands:
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HSPA/WCDMA:
* Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Network bands in regions other than Europe and Asia Pacific may be different, depending on the mobile operator and your location. Please check with your mobile operator.
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Yet Engadget calls it the "HTC Sensation 4G" with HSPA+. There is no mention if it would support AT&Ts network as well.
The next phone I get will have to support AT&T's bands as well, as I don't want to replace it at the end of the merger, if it occurs.
Can someone clarify this situation? Are there two sensations?
The Sensation does not support AT&T's network. So far, the only model that's been produced works for T-Mobile in the US, and T-Mobile only.
As for the HSPA situation, I find it hard to believe that the Sensation doesn't have HSPA+, even though their own site simply says HSPA.
Their press release calls it a "4G" device, so I think the spec is a typo.
seanthegeek said:
The next phone I get will have to support AT&T's bands as well, as I don't want to replace it at the end of the merger, if it occurs.
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Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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mark manning said:
Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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Yes, but there is no way of knowing what kind of device(s) they will give. For all we know, it could be a windows phone, or a very cheap android device.
seanthegeek said:
Yes, but there is no whay of knowing what kind of device(s) they will give. For all we know, it could be a windows phone, or a very cheap android device.
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Or god-forbid, an iPhone...
alvinmathew88 said:
Or god-forbid, an iPhone...
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They said it would be a phone of equal class
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A phone of equal class from AT&T would be the Atrix 4G. Pretty sure nobody wants to choose between an encrypted bootloader or being stuck on 2G. :/
Thracks said:
A phone of equal class from AT&T would be the Atrix 4G. Pretty sure nobody wants to choose between an encrypted bootloader or being stuck on 2G. :/
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Well the merger wouldn't complete for at least a year from now, so there's no telling what devices would be offered by then. But yes, AT&T does not have a good track record when it comes to openness; so, I'd prefer something like the G2x to anything AT&T would likely offer. True, I would need to take an AT&T phone eventually if I want to stay up to date, but I'd like to avoid that for as long as possible.
If im not mistaken, the european version isn't 4g, but it will be released to tmobile USA as the sensation 4g. I'm assuming it will be equiped with a hspa+ radio.
its 4g acording to htc
http://www.htc.com/www/product/sensation/specification.html
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HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
It is equipped with a HSPA+ radio since its capable of 14.4 mbps. HSPA only goes up to 7.2 mbps if I'm not mistaken.
Right you are. what may be causing confusion, is the fact that on htc's spec sheet it never refers to it as hspa+, nor does it call 14.4Mbs 4g. It's listed next to 3g. Guess they dont consider that 4g speed, which would also explain why tmobile USA is rebranding it as sensation 4g.
I asked HTC and they replied that it does not have AT&T 3G bands. However, even if you sign a 2yr contract for the Sensation in summer, there is a lot of time left before AT&T shuts down AWS bands.
When AT&T merged with Alltel it took a while before they shut down Alltel bands and they gave customers comparable smartphones. Chances are, the phones handed out by AT&T will be better then Sensation because the merger won't happen for a while and smartphones age very fast.
The merger is ~18-24 months away. Even phones that will come out in 12 months will be much better than anything that's on the market now.
http://www.att.com/mergers/alltel/index.jsp
There is a Alltel customers thread on Howard forums and their best phone was Desire, the replacements AT&T gave them were not bad. Note that any Android phones that AT&T hands out will have 3rd party apps disabled as well as crippled upload speed unless AT&T changes this which I doubt they will.
HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.
Hog Milanese said:
HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.
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Actually they are smart. ATT already said they will replace T-mobile phones with new ones. If they support ATT bands then there is no need to replace them. If they don't ATT has to buy millions of phones from them. So sir good argument but you should understand business better
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i really want to get this phone and use it with the at &t bands, i know the sensation 4g is meant to be used with t mobile but what about the international version? will it work on at & t bands?
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Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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Why would any company make a great phone to be just thrown away n a short time. I think it's just wasteful, great hardware with no use. That is truely sad this day in age we can make expensive hardware and just toss it aside. Don't like it at all, I love this phone but why even build it without AT&T radio bands? As I said poor planning and very wasteful. Pisses me off that such great hardware gets tossed aside.
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HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.
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Why do you say that? They figure they will sell twice as many phones. Before and after the buy out. I think it is disgusting and wasteful to throw away such a great made piece of hardware. Very sad IMO that any company can just make a piece of hardware for basicly just a 6 month deal, maybe a little longer. This is the phone that the hard core T-Mobile customer has been waiting for. Now the damn thing is just about to launch and it is only good for a few lousy months. Freaken disgusting and pathetic. Why even bother, that is why anyone with any sense of responsibility would add AT&T bands to this hardware, doesn't even make sense to me. It is just so wasteful to me.
The buyout will take at least 12-18 months to complete. When it comes to large corporate mergers, there is a lot of regulatory red tape to be navigated. After the buyout is complete (if it's even approved to begin with), it will take at least a couple of more years for AT&T to repurpose T-Mobile's frequencies.
Relax, guys. We'll be able to use the Sensation for at least 2-3 years. Speaking of which, does anyone even keep phones for that long nowadays?
Although I enjoyed the data speed of T-Mobile, I am glad I am no longer paying a charge to them. This business with their future phones is a sign of how un-serious they take their consumer business. And because of that, they do deserve the lack of business their decisions will cause.
Not producing phones that will fully function of AT&T's 3G/4G service is just pure willy-nilly ignorant and T-Mobile needs to feel the heat of their ignorance. The so-called "super phone" coming to T-Mobile, the HTC Sensation, will be a no-seller because of how T-Mobile chooses to conduct their business.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/t-mobile-g2x-lacks-quadband-hspa-shatters-dreams/
Interesting. i wonder what they do when and if the merger goes through, what then ? do they run to platforms and try to merge over 2 years ? That will totally toast them in business and will lower market share........... Yeah..... What is their plan ?
Yea, I'm thinking of switching back to AT&T as well. Will get a phone that works as long as I need it to, and much better network coverage. Data speeds aren't that big a deal to me, as long as it's around 2mbps download 1mbps up I'm more than content...
And I can still get a 4GB data plan with an iPhone if I go back...
Not too concerned here. 2 of my 3 t-mobile devices fully support at&t's 3g and 4g bands. Just my hd2 will need to be replaced, and that's years away. Not worried.
edit: And phones are planned many months if not a year (or more) in advance. The at&t - t-mobile merger most likely wasn't even in the outlook when they made that phone in the first place.
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Not producing phones that will fully function of AT&T's 3G/4G service is just pure willy-nilly ignorant...
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Well, that's assuming that the merger goes through.
And even if it does, it's not T-Mobile themselves who produce the phones, they can only buy what the manufacturers are selling.
Plus you seem to be confusing ignorance with short-sightedness.
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TheMan42 said:
The only ignorance here is your post.
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Why would you invest extra money into adding a whole new radio into a handset if there is no garuntee that the merger will go through? The next complaint/answer would be "tmo's handsets are sooo needlesly expensive". Probably because someone thought it was a good idea to put unecassary hardware in a phone you probably wont even remember when (if?) the merger goes through.
I get calls like this all the time, if the service doesnt work for you i completely understand- Please find another service because getting the same whiney call day in and day out costs t mobile that much more money keeping an unhappy customer.
Let me be clear id rather handle 10000 calls about our coverage and service then silly reasons like this, you dont need to justify your reason to leave a carrier.. just leave.
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MOD EDIT :Keep cool, no need to be rude.
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To be honest, that came off a little strong, but I still feel it was justified. The Original post should be re-read, then see what was more flame-bait. My statement was the truth, it was "ignorant". Ignorance isn't an insult, its simply stating the the post has no merit into what T-Mobile is doing with their products.
T-Mobile still remains a competitor to AT&T, why would they start to have manufacturers incorporate further frequencies in their devices that support the competitors products? I don't see AT&T doing that with their products, nor Verizon or Sprint.
Interesting. And maybe of interest to me. Someone from t mobile has been hard on my heels to switch from sprint to t mobile. She countered every advantage i thought sprint had: pricewise, 4g coverage etc. If I did not switch yet, cause I am a creature of habits and stick to sprint cause: it is what I started with.
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TheMan42 said:
To be honest, that came off a little strong, but I still feel it was justified. The Original post should be re-read, then see what was more flame-bait. My statement was the truth, it was "ignorant". Ignorance isn't an insult, its simply stating the the post has no merit into what T-Mobile is doing with their products.
T-Mobile still remains a competitor to AT&T, why would they start to have manufacturers incorporate further frequencies in their devices that support the competitors products? I don't see AT&T doing that with their products, nor Verizon or Sprint.
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Actually Sprint and Verizon both work on the same 2 frequencies. We're allowed to roam on Verizon as much as we want, included in the plan (there's no hard limit, but don't overuse it), and Verizon customers get to roam on Sprint.
AT&T will become the only GSM phone provider in california when this takes place.
Not surprise one bit. T-MobileUS is notorious for false advertising or even intended false advertising on a bunch of their handsets. How can you trust a company who intentionally commercialized the whole "4G" craze by simply stating that actual 4G infrastructure wasn't worth it and HSPA+ was more than just enough? Good thing they got bought out.
KevGer said:
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Please stop spamming
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att is gay
they got bought out by another whack provider though
T-Mobile is just as crap here in The Netherlands aswell, I'm glad I have Vodafone!
been loving verizon since i switched from t mobile