[Q] No HSPA+ or AT&T 3G support? - HTC Sensation

Hi,
Unless I'm reading something wrong on the HTC Sensation's specification page, it looks like it does not support HSPA+ or AT&T 3G bands:
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HSPA/WCDMA:
* Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Network bands in regions other than Europe and Asia Pacific may be different, depending on the mobile operator and your location. Please check with your mobile operator.
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Yet Engadget calls it the "HTC Sensation 4G" with HSPA+. There is no mention if it would support AT&Ts network as well.
The next phone I get will have to support AT&T's bands as well, as I don't want to replace it at the end of the merger, if it occurs.
Can someone clarify this situation? Are there two sensations?

The Sensation does not support AT&T's network. So far, the only model that's been produced works for T-Mobile in the US, and T-Mobile only.
As for the HSPA situation, I find it hard to believe that the Sensation doesn't have HSPA+, even though their own site simply says HSPA.

Their press release calls it a "4G" device, so I think the spec is a typo.

seanthegeek said:
The next phone I get will have to support AT&T's bands as well, as I don't want to replace it at the end of the merger, if it occurs.
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Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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mark manning said:
Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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Yes, but there is no way of knowing what kind of device(s) they will give. For all we know, it could be a windows phone, or a very cheap android device.

seanthegeek said:
Yes, but there is no whay of knowing what kind of device(s) they will give. For all we know, it could be a windows phone, or a very cheap android device.
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Or god-forbid, an iPhone...

alvinmathew88 said:
Or god-forbid, an iPhone...
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They said it would be a phone of equal class
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A phone of equal class from AT&T would be the Atrix 4G. Pretty sure nobody wants to choose between an encrypted bootloader or being stuck on 2G. :/

Thracks said:
A phone of equal class from AT&T would be the Atrix 4G. Pretty sure nobody wants to choose between an encrypted bootloader or being stuck on 2G. :/
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Well the merger wouldn't complete for at least a year from now, so there's no telling what devices would be offered by then. But yes, AT&T does not have a good track record when it comes to openness; so, I'd prefer something like the G2x to anything AT&T would likely offer. True, I would need to take an AT&T phone eventually if I want to stay up to date, but I'd like to avoid that for as long as possible.

If im not mistaken, the european version isn't 4g, but it will be released to tmobile USA as the sensation 4g. I'm assuming it will be equiped with a hspa+ radio.

its 4g acording to htc
http://www.htc.com/www/product/sensation/specification.html
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HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz

It is equipped with a HSPA+ radio since its capable of 14.4 mbps. HSPA only goes up to 7.2 mbps if I'm not mistaken.

Right you are. what may be causing confusion, is the fact that on htc's spec sheet it never refers to it as hspa+, nor does it call 14.4Mbs 4g. It's listed next to 3g. Guess they dont consider that 4g speed, which would also explain why tmobile USA is rebranding it as sensation 4g.

I asked HTC and they replied that it does not have AT&T 3G bands. However, even if you sign a 2yr contract for the Sensation in summer, there is a lot of time left before AT&T shuts down AWS bands.
When AT&T merged with Alltel it took a while before they shut down Alltel bands and they gave customers comparable smartphones. Chances are, the phones handed out by AT&T will be better then Sensation because the merger won't happen for a while and smartphones age very fast.
The merger is ~18-24 months away. Even phones that will come out in 12 months will be much better than anything that's on the market now.
http://www.att.com/mergers/alltel/index.jsp
There is a Alltel customers thread on Howard forums and their best phone was Desire, the replacements AT&T gave them were not bad. Note that any Android phones that AT&T hands out will have 3rd party apps disabled as well as crippled upload speed unless AT&T changes this which I doubt they will.

HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.

Hog Milanese said:
HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.
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Actually they are smart. ATT already said they will replace T-mobile phones with new ones. If they support ATT bands then there is no need to replace them. If they don't ATT has to buy millions of phones from them. So sir good argument but you should understand business better
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i really want to get this phone and use it with the at &t bands, i know the sensation 4g is meant to be used with t mobile but what about the international version? will it work on at & t bands?

mark manning said:
Why? ATT already said they are gonna give T-Mobile subscribers free phones
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Why would any company make a great phone to be just thrown away n a short time. I think it's just wasteful, great hardware with no use. That is truely sad this day in age we can make expensive hardware and just toss it aside. Don't like it at all, I love this phone but why even build it without AT&T radio bands? As I said poor planning and very wasteful. Pisses me off that such great hardware gets tossed aside.

Hog Milanese said:
HTC is retarded to not support the 850 band on all phones going forward.
They're going to be left in the dust if they don't support AT&T.
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Why do you say that? They figure they will sell twice as many phones. Before and after the buy out. I think it is disgusting and wasteful to throw away such a great made piece of hardware. Very sad IMO that any company can just make a piece of hardware for basicly just a 6 month deal, maybe a little longer. This is the phone that the hard core T-Mobile customer has been waiting for. Now the damn thing is just about to launch and it is only good for a few lousy months. Freaken disgusting and pathetic. Why even bother, that is why anyone with any sense of responsibility would add AT&T bands to this hardware, doesn't even make sense to me. It is just so wasteful to me.

The buyout will take at least 12-18 months to complete. When it comes to large corporate mergers, there is a lot of regulatory red tape to be navigated. After the buyout is complete (if it's even approved to begin with), it will take at least a couple of more years for AT&T to repurpose T-Mobile's frequencies.
Relax, guys. We'll be able to use the Sensation for at least 2-3 years. Speaking of which, does anyone even keep phones for that long nowadays?

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Nexus S ATT version 3G? (rumored 850/1900 version)

Do y'all think they will eventually make a Nexus S for 850 and 1900 3G bands like they did for the Nexus One?
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
tehgeekguy said:
Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Regarding UK carriers - wrong. The Nexus S already has UMTS 2100 which is used UK-wide, and UMTS 900 which is about to gain greater adoption in the UK. No carrier in Europe uses AT&T's bands.
But regarding Canadian carriers, yes, it'd make sense to produce a UMTS 850/1900 version. That doesn't mean it's incredibly likely to happen.
Well I hope it does! Everyone is really downing the phone and theyve never even held it! Google put their name on it so I bet its way better than people are making it out to be
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I hope so too
I will surely jump from my Nexus One
I love it, but a change of looks would be nice
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
sheik124 said:
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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That was a false positive. The TMobile Vibrant has 1900 3g but it's never had 850.
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sheik124 said:
Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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The Nexus S is being sold @ a subsidized price: $199 w/ contract
Google and Samsung do serve to make money for shareholders, but Google does so primarily by making people happy, that is why their services are mostly free. Happy customers are Google's commodity.
About the AT&T 3G bands: I got an "i don't know" from a Google Software developer this morning on Twitter, so doubtful it will be around the Tmobile launch, but I don't think there is any question with the phone being sold in Best Buy and the way Samsung handled the Galaxy, it won't be too long
If there was a 850MHz version, I would put my order in tonight as I'm itching for a 4" phone (perfect size IMO). I have a feeling there probably wont be one though, as the Nexus S is more about having an up to date, clean-slate phone for developers to use and for Google to showcase new Android features. I doubt they care about maximizing sales of them, and there's probably not a lot to gain by opening them up to AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus customers, especially after all the testing and certification requirements.
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
sheik124 said:
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
SoberGuy said:
While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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Ah, didn't know that.
PrawnPoBoy said:
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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That's easy for you to say. I'd jump on Tmobile in a heartbeat but they have no, and I mean none, service at my work. Since I spend the majority of my time there it rules out Tmobile for me. So lets hope an ATT compatible version comes out in a few months.
Yeah I would happily drop 500+ dollars on a at&t nexus s if they make one for 850 and 1900 3G bands
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dan1431 said:
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
Dan
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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yeah i dont understand it either. it seems as though these manufacturers actually HURT their sales by not being forthcoming right off the bat. we all dance around the issue, not knowing to buy or not buy, will an 850 version come later for me, etc. nobody is gonna drop 500 with that type of info. just lay it all out there from the beginning so people know to buy or not!
cpcrazyfly said:
maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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If more people supported developers, credit wouldn't be needed. . . .
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dan1431 said:
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
dan1431 said:
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
SoberGuy said:
I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I was guessing the same thing. Either there is RIDICULOUSLY good T-Mo reception at the Mountain View campus OR it has to be some sort of deal between T-Mo and Google.
I remember when the G1 came out. I was thinking "wow, what an ugly phone. Android seems like a cool concept but seeing how it works on that phone is crappy. boo hiss etc". The phone did not seem to have much promise compared to the other competitors (windows mobile and....iphone). Naturally T-Mo took a huge risk carrying and promoting the at the time unknown phone. It seems like that faith has paid off because Google has chose T-Mobile as the only official carrier of ALL of their developer phones (ADP1 (G1), ADP2 (MT3G), Nexus One, and now the Nexus S.)
Or maybe it's some combination of both of those theories.

New Phones for tmo does it make sense to get one?

Ok, it's said that we are getting the Pyrimid, We are def getting the G2x and now it seems the LG 3d phone passed the fcc with tmo 3g bands and is the first dual core dual channel phone.. I really would like to get a phone that dual core when they are available but with this att deal it doesnt make sense to buy a new phone. From what I read ATT plans on using the TMO 3g frequencies for it's LTE network which means current tmo 3g phones will no longer work as 3g. Granted this is going to take a while to happen but does it really make sense to get a new device now or even in a few months when there is a possibility it wont fully work in a year? hmmm
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Ok, it's said that we are getting the Pyrimid, We are def getting the G2x and now it seems the LG 3d phone passed the fcc with tmo 3g bands and is the first dual core dual channel phone.. I really would like to get a phone that dual core when they are available but with this att deal it doesnt make sense to buy a new phone. From what I read ATT plans on using the TMO 3g frequencies for it's LTE network which means current tmo 3g phones will no longer work as 3g. Granted this is going to take a while to happen but does it really make sense to get a new device now or even in a few months when there is a possibility it wont fully work in a year? hmmm
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I'd look at the HSPA+ bands. I think they are doing to be coming out with ATT and T-Mobile bands included. IF that is the case then jump on board.
Apparently the G2X will have ATT hspa+ bands as well
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Geoi1006 said:
Apparently the G2X will have ATT hspa+ bands as well
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Care to share where you got this info?
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Care to share where you got this info?
Edit: Google is your friend.
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for everyone else
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/car...ture-proofing-their-new-phones-to-run-on-att/
Lol so when this is all going down (if it does) I might migrate to the G2X..looks like solid hardware to me. I love my mt4g tho. I'm sad to see the big launch phone for their 4G advertising have its life span altered. Granted according to most the fact stands that we have a year before the deal even possibly gets approved and even then we're talking 2013-15 before tmo 1700 mhz is completely shut down.
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@neidlinger:
Thanks for the link. If the same bands will be present on the Pyramid, I won't have any reservations about buying it.
And at&t said we can keep our plans
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/att-says-t-mobile-can-keep-its-current-pricing-structure/
I still wan tmo not to be bought an here is the reason why they buying
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/att-says-t-mobile-deal-necessary-for-spectrum-needs/
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Im jumping on the g2x for sure, hopefully the pyramid will carry att freqs too
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I would be very proud of tmo if this became standard. Nice parting gift imho
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I was planning to upgrading from MT4G to Pyramid as MT4G for me was never official upgrade as it was quick replacement due to my HD2 being stolen. Now don't confuse upgrade and replacement with plan and insurance BS as I do pay my phone direct and paid $750 for Leo1024 got it 4months before it came out in TMoUS officially and paid $450 for MT4G.
I for one will not support TMobile and pay for HTC Pyramid even when if its has quadband radio and will support on AT&T. If the POS panzy dutch mofo's are selling it I for one will do pure boycott and I do hope they lose so much money that AT&T don't buy TMo as it looks very unattractive. I know I am very angry ATM as I am screwed both ways click here for my #1 reason can you call that double penetration?
I dont care, the pyramid will be my upgrade when it comes up in three months the 4.3 size is just the right size for me
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I dont care, the pyramid will be my upgrade when it comes up in three months the 4.3 size is just the right size for me
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With or without contract? Make sure this is what you want as you will soon deal with DeathStar if you don't switch to someone else. I do miss the 4.3" and most device that does have it on GSM are SamSUX based or HTC based on CDMA so I was looking forward to this until the BS merge of at&Tmobile.

[Q] Availablility timeframe in the U.S.?

I'm pretty sure this will be my next phone. I don't know how long it will take to come out in the States but HTC's website says it supports AWS in Europe/Asia/T-mobile US. So if they make me wait too long, I may have to buy an unlocked imported model if they are available first.
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I'm pretty sure this will be my next phone. I don't know how long it will take to come out in the States but HTC's website says it supports AWS in Europe/Asia/T-mobile US. So if they make me wait too long, I may have to buy an unlocked imported model if they are available first.
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They will not be available until sometime in June as for its first month on sale, at least as far as the UK is concerned it will be exclusive to Vodafone.
Looks like I am going to have to get a G2X to pacify me until TMOUS gets this beauty.
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Looks like I am going to have to get a G2X to pacify me until TMOUS gets this beauty.
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You know I wonder if the Sensation will be dual network campatible seeing as AT&T is buying T-Mobile US. Personally I am seriously concidering the Sensation for my next device as the dual core snap dragon has me all excited but if I can not use it on AT&T's 4G network I am going to have to pass as I don't want to dish out the cash for a great new device just to get stuck on Edge.
T-Macgnolia said:
...if I can not use it on AT&T's 4G network I am going to have to pass as I don't want to dish out the cash for a great new device just to get stuck on Edge.
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Exactly. G2x here I come.
T-Macgnolia said:
You know I wonder if the Sensation will be dual network campatible seeing as AT&T is buying T-Mobile US. Personally I am seriously concidering the Sensation for my next device as the dual core snap dragon has me all excited but if I can not use it on AT&T's 4G network I am going to have to pass as I don't want to dish out the cash for a great new device just to get stuck on Edge.
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ATT already said its going to give T-Mobile subscribers free phones of equal class
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It's confirmed. No ATT 3G on the G2X

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/t-mobile-g2x-lacks-quadband-hspa-shatters-dreams/
So glad i didnt buy this now. Oh well...
Alas, returning the phone was justified. I know that for the average customer this might not have been a big deal, but I wanted a true high end global HSDPA device. I wanted it to be true so much...
Oh well, still a great phone for those who do not care about the missing bands.
Onwards with the custom roms!
Stinks and some major fubared information on the website. Oh well, awesome phone.
So much for that....back to my vibrant for now.....
I thought that this phone passed the fcc with the tmobile and att bands. Dont really care, cause most likely I will have moved on to another phone by the time the merger happens. So whats going on. Does anyone know the link to the fcc filing.
Yeah, was sad for a second and then I picked up the phone and used it and I didn't care anymore
I haven't cared since I read att won't be switching off aws too soon and they would grandfather in all T-Mobile plans. Also not even sure I'd stay with att if the merger does happen anyway. Depends on too much and this phone is too amazing to return now. Super satisfied with my purchase.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/t-mobile-g2x-lacks-quadband-hspa-shatters-dreams/
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i know for those that wanted to use this phone on att it sucks. but for me i signed a 2 year contract based on this phone. if and when the att merger goes through. they will have to offer you out of your contract or supply you with a new phone. and since id cut off my right foot before id use att ever again, i think this is great news. I think it will be 18-24 months before you see any changes even if it goes through anyways, so i think the only problem here is if you wanted to use this phone on att. which i think was not wanted by tmobile, they want you to come to tmobile thats why they offer this phone.--only prob was advertising it did have those bands. but it did get straightened out in the return time. If anyone paid an early term fee and paid full price for this phone to work on att-tmobile better make it financially right or they will have some problems, im betting they will.
You know I still have a hard time believing this. I can't see how it passed the FCC with such false advertising and because the were spitting it out so much. I just have a sneaky suspicion that we'll see a radio that has the AT&T bands. That quote was probably just from some Customer Service rep reading off a script.
Why would TMOBILE say, "Yea it supports other carriers"? It would be in there best interest to say you have to use it on our network.
I think the phone is a Quad Band and could support it if the radio was opened up. The only time I'll believe it is when I hear it from some of the devs here on XDA.
But really what does it matter? Most phones don't support both bands. I hear people saying, I'm just going to buy the Sensation... well that isn't going to be quad band either (unless I'm missing something).
What is the point of the FCC if they don't check these things? The FCC is supposed to make sure that the product being offered works as intended and advertised. I mean there are just too many things pointing out that the device IS CAPABLE of the receiving the different frequencies.
Tmobile probably just blocked the frequencies in the radio and are saying this just to shut people up.
(sorry I posted this over the course of 5 phone calls so it may not be in logical order)
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player911 said:
You know I still have a hard time believing this. I can't see how it passed the FCC with such false advertising and because the were spitting it out so much. I just have a sneaky suspicion that we'll see a radio that has the AT&T bands. That quote was probably just from some Customer Service rep reading off a script.
Why would TMOBILE say, "Yea it supports other carriers"? It would be in there best interest to say you have to use it on our network.
I think the phone is a Quad Band and could support it if the radio was opened up. The only time I'll believe it is when I hear it from some of the devs here on XDA.
But really what does it matter? Most phones don't support both bands. I hear people saying, I'm just going to buy the Sensation... well that isn't going to be quad band either (unless I'm missing something).
What is the point of the FCC if they don't check these things? The FCC is supposed to make sure that the product being offered works as intended and advertised. I mean there are just too many things pointing out that the device IS CAPABLE of the receiving the different frequencies.
Tmobile probably just blocked the frequencies in the radio and are saying this just to shut people up.
(sorry I posted this over the course of 5 phone calls so it may not be in logical order)
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fcc's job.
thanks for the million
pass.
so disappointed. guess i'll hold on to my phone a little while longer
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I wanted a true high end global HSDPA device.
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Wait, how is it not a "true high end global HSPA device" ? It's quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 for 2G/GPRS and UMTS/HSPA+ bands I (2100) and IV (1700).
So it will work pretty much everywhere in the world (just no HSPA+ on AT&T network).
So what phone will you get that is a "true high end global HSPA device" ?
It is not confirmed....ha, lg made this phone, until they release a statement that they never put the bands in the phone, or never plan to enable then in future baseband updates, nothing is official yet.
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This is really something.
A poster elsewhere on XDA had gotten a written statement from TMo that it had those bands (followed by legal gobbledygook terms & conditions stating that they reserved the right to make or not make them available.
Now. their statement saying "opps" they goofed. I will give this another day or two to get sorted out (traveling all day tomorrow). I will then decide whether to return it and wait for their next two-core phone (which is supposed to come with 2.4 on it - if you can believe TMo anymore).
I am on a rooted CM7 OC MT4G - not a bad place to wait for a later release. If I miss their 20 day return window - will raise hell - as I had relied on their written representations that the G2x had the AT&T data bands.
Footnote - I am still confused as to why they show up in the "hidden menu".
I'm going to use the phone until the Sensation comes out. I have a print out of the spec sheet off of tmobile.com showing it's supposed to be a quad-band phone. I'll call tech support and tell them I'm having trouble connecting to the 1900 band. They'll tell me I can't. I'll forward them the spec sheet showing I bought a quad-band phone based on their representations. Voila... new phone.
Bummer if it ends up being true. Got official word on the diamond some years ago that it had no physical bands and 6 months later a version with those bands came out and a few weeks after that it was enabled on all the phones that supposedly didnt have them but did thanks to the smart people here. At any rate this one is off the list for now. Leaves an aT&T user without anything to look at that isnt locked down or just plain sucks for the moment.
I don't understand why everybody thinks FCC info is false.
I told you so but y'all didn't listen.
any possible group law suite?
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I'm going to use the phone until the Sensation comes out. I have a print out of the spec sheet off of tmobile.com showing it's supposed to be a quad-band phone. I'll call tech support and tell them I'm having trouble connecting to the 1900 band. They'll tell me I can't. I'll forward them the spec sheet showing I bought a quad-band phone based on their representations. Voila... new phone.
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You might also want to print out and save the statement by TMo on the link attached below also. I am think if I keep this - may do the same. On the border right now on keeping or returning it in the next few days.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1041402&highlight=ATT&page=11

Quite upset over the carrier situation in the USA

Here we are constantly being ripped off with old-gen single core processors, bloat, and slow updates while our friends in the UK have the Galaxy S II.
Try this experiment I witnessed earlier... Go to the official samsung website and browse, you will find re-batched galaxy s devices with a factory over clock, a different radio, and outdated os versions... All advertised as the best; meanwhile scroll to the bottom and change the country to the UK to be introduced with the Galaxy S 2 ad, with the option of various carriers and available to buy.
It might be a repetition of last year where we get our carrier-branded devices 6 months later, with bloat, slow updates, and stupid contacts.
I haven't an idea on how to import one of those beauties from Europe.. but I know for sure it won't come cheap with the euro to usd conversion rate, and the whole process of importing.
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Here we are constantly being ripped off with old-gen single core processors, bloat, and slow updates while our friends in the UK have the Galaxy S II.
Try this experiment I witnessed earlier... Go to the official samsung website and browse, you will find re-batched galaxy s devices with a factory over clock, a different radio, and outdated os versions... All advertised as the best; meanwhile scroll to the bottom and change the country to the UK to be introduced with the Galaxy S 2 ad, with the option of various carriers and available to buy.
It might be a repetition of last year where we get our carrier-branded devices 6 months later, with bloat, slow updates, and stupid contacts.
I haven't an idea on how to import one of those beauties from Europe.. but I know for sure it won't come cheap with the euro to usd conversion rate, and the whole process of importing.
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Must be really new to this as this has been the way it is done for as long as i can remember. You can get one from EU but it will cost alot and it is not Gonna work on ATT 3G unless you get it from Telstra which uses the same 3G bands as ATT. If you want to stay up to date then I would get an unlocked version from over seas.
Nothing new. All carriers there are GSM so the market is bigger with much more handset variety.
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Must be really new to this as this has been the way it is done for as long as i can remember. You can get one from EU but it will cost alot and it is not Gonna work on ATT 3G unless you get it from Telstra which uses the same 3G bands as ATT. If you want to stay up to date then I would get an unlocked version from over seas.
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The SGS II is quad band 3G (up to 21Mbps HSPA+) so it will indeed work with AT&T w/ 3G
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Try being up here in Canada. We have half the phones at much slower speeds for twice the price per month. It's bruuuuutal.
Yea it finally appears that we can import an unbranded, unlocked android device released in europe such as the s2 and just have to pop in the ATT sim. Of course for those that want to pay thru the nose for the euro/usd conversion. Looks like it will run about $750 or so
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The SGS II is quad band 3G (up to 21Mbps HSPA+) so it will indeed work with AT&T w/ 3G
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...Radio frequencies... Not all unlocked quadband phones will work in at&t 3g bands because the 3g bands for at&t, t-mobile, & euro carriers are all different.
the sgs2 unternational does infact work on att.
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the sgs2 unternational does infact work on att.
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Just wondering because the Nexus S (and variant models) is also quadband but only the canadian version works on att hsdpa\hsupa speeds.
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the sgs2 unternational does infact work on att.
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It can work just might not work on att 3g. I had an old quad band phone but it didn't have the att 3g band. I would make sure what bands it can work on first
There is amember on here using one on att. You may need to buy it for a specific carrier. Not sure.
Quad band is not nessesarily universal. There are atleast 5bands that can be used but i believe that all the sgs2s have the att bands all around. I know there is atleast one varient already available that does. I may post the link later where a member has the place it can be ordered posted. Search on my phone is not fun
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dannb said:
Try being up here in Canada. We have half the phones at much slower speeds for twice the price per month. It's bruuuuutal.
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Where do you live?
The baddest AT&T Android device from a U.S. carrier is the Atrix and we have it here. So we're on par with what they have down there and our network speeds are faster mostly because it's not over saturated as theirs.
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I would be fine with this situation if I had the choice to have an off-contract phone bill that doesnt subsidize new phones.
Its a little ridiculous to spend $500+ on an overseas phone when we are already spending $20+/month on subsidies...
Too bad tmobile is going away
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fatttire said:
I would be fine with this situation if I had the choice to have an off-contract phone bill that doesnt subsidize new phones.
Its a little ridiculous to spend $500+ on an overseas phone when we are already spending $20+/month on subsidies...
Too bad tmobile is going away
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but if you get t-mobile now you mat get grandfathered into the billing plans they use now.

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