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[Q] Those videos from ctia were pre production right?

Scrolling didn't seem as fluid as on my cousins droid incredible. this may be my first sense phone, just wondering. If its a bit laggy, I don't know how long until cm is released for it. Just wanna make a good phone choice. The vibrant has a beautiful screen but no cm/miui supported past experimental builds.
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The rom is called pyramid and it's running on one core.. So expect it to be much faster when it's final and on 2 cores

How is the processor and GPU compared to the original Galaxy S?

richiehd said:
How is the processor and GPU compared to the original Galaxy S?
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It absolutely crushes the Galaxy S's Hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX540. I'm not sure by how much though. The tech demos of the MSM8260 were really impressive though.

[Q] question about the hardware of the sensation

i can't understand how the senstaion and the galaxy s2 so similar in there hardware
and in the benchmarks the sensation is so far away from the galaxy s2
it's driving me crazy....somebody know why it's like that???
another question is after reading lot's on this phones i couldn't know which one as better battery life???
thanks

Sense 3.0 and the qHD screen are the main answers. Once we get CM7 on both devices, I'm sure they'll be evenly matched.

welcome noob,
its because touch wiz is simple and sh*t and sense is a complete new interface so its doing more things in the background
also sensation has much more pixels to push through than the galaxy s2, and at the moment sense containts bloatware which we dont want. when the bootloader is unlocked and rooted, we will be able to install custom roms which are much faster.

The Galaxy S2 uses the tegra 2, the sensation uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon msm8260.
^ the main difference^
Tegra 1.x years old already, so it's more mature, and it's starting to get support.
On the other hand the MSM8260 is a newbie..which needs some polishing.
Though, don't trust benchmarks...they mean nothing.
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chchang1 said:
The Galaxy S2 uses the tegra 2, the sensation uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon msm8260.
^ the main difference^
Tegra 1.x years old already, so it's more mature, and it's starting to get support.
On the other hand the MSM8260 is a newbie..which needs some polishing.
Though, don't trust benchmarks...they mean nothing.
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its true, benchmarks are just a wase of time,
you dont go round benchmarking 2 brand new cars, crag racing them and rallying them to see which one handles and drives the best!

Does anyone know if the sensation comes with a super lcd screen or just a regular tft screen?

chchang1 said:
The Galaxy S2 uses the tegra 2, the sensation uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon msm8260.
^ the main difference^
Tegra 1.x years old already, so it's more mature, and it's starting to get support.
On the other hand the MSM8260 is a newbie..which needs some polishing.
Though, don't trust benchmarks...they mean nothing.
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SGS2 doesn't use tegra 2. It uses Samsungs exynos CPU/GPU. OP, one of the main reasons why quadrant gives the Sensation such low scores is due to the I/O score which reads and writes to the internal storage. The Sensation uses a slower format than the SGS2, and also most likely uses slower nand than samsungs (remember samsung makes nand, maybe an edge up). SGS2 uses EXT4. The second part of the low score is due to the Sensation having a higher res screen which means it's working harder to fill the screen. The third reason is that the snapdragon they're using is dual core, but it's based off of arm8 whereas the SGS2 exynos is based off of arm9. Newer tech usually has the upper hand. I'm sure an update will come out to help smooth out the lag in the OS. And I agree about not trusting benchmarks. Trust the experience, not a bunch of numbers.

brian85 said:
Does anyone know if the sensation comes with a super lcd screen or just a regular tft screen?
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Super LCD
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mike2518 said:
Super LCD
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And Gorilla glass.
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thanks all of you for a great answers....
what about the battery life???
is the slcd screen is killing battery or exactly opposite?

Paging Dr B said:
SGS2 doesn't use tegra 2. It uses Samsungs exynos CPU/GPU. OP, one of the main reasons why quadrant gives the Sensation such low scores is due to the I/O score which reads and writes to the internal storage. The Sensation uses a slower format than the SGS2, and also most likely uses slower nand than samsungs (remember samsung makes nand, maybe an edge up). SGS2 uses EXT4. The second part of the low score is due to the Sensation having a higher res screen which means it's working harder to fill the screen. The third reason is that the snapdragon they're using is dual core, but it's based off of arm8 whereas the SGS2 exynos is based off of arm9. Newer tech usually has the upper hand. I'm sure an update will come out to help smooth out the lag in the OS. And I agree about not trusting benchmarks. Trust the experience, not a bunch of numbers.
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The stuff you say about the snapdragon is based of arm8 is wrong , as its a completely new arcitecture, it has loads of new functions that the old arm8 doesn't have. Can't remember where i read it, but its true

Utking said:
The stuff you say about the snapdragon is based of arm8 is wrong , as its a completely new arcitecture, it has loads of new functions that the old arm8 doesn't have. Can't remember where i read it, but its true
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Believe it's based on the arm8, but HIGHLY modified by Qualcom.. That's what gsmarena wrote at least

If it's highly modified, could we say it's equal or near power to arm cortex 9? Or synthetic benchmarks are right on snapdragon don't have equal power to arm 9?

So I had a chance to play around with one yesterday and I don't care what the benchmarks say, this phone feels lightning quick and it was crazy smooth when browsing engadget.com.

Paging Dr B said:
So I had a chance to play around with one yesterday and I don't care what the benchmarks say, this phone feels lightning quick and it was crazy smooth when browsing engadget.com.
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^^^^^^ This
I haven't had any slowdowns or browsing problems.

SGSIII Specs leaked

From Cnet news,
SGSIII: 1.5ghz quad core exynos, 1080p 4.8" 16:9 screen, ICS, 8MP cam, LTE, ceramic body
Cnet article

wow i want it so baddddddd

Jaw dropping specs. Hopefully the report is accurate.

Read comments says 1080p is overkill on a smart phone display.
Well duh, can they not picture people attaching their smartphones to a HD TV or projector?
I think I am just sticking with Google devices from now on, if Samsung makes it or HTC (rumor). I am sick of the slow upgrade cycle; on ICS has been out almost 4 months..... way too slow.

How would they manage that kind of ppi?
That's like 459ppi. Galaxy Nexus is like 316ppi.

AstroDigital said:
Read comments says 1080p is overkill on a smart phone display.
Well duh, can they not picture people attaching their smartphones to a HD TV or projector?
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Being able to output 1080p via hdmi and actually having a 1080p screen are two different things. I do think that sort of pixel density is overkill and serves only to overwork the gpu.
I also think I prefer 16:10 to 16:9.

BGR leak = unreliable

Yup...they are just quoting bgr
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Engadget is a bit better, and they posted an article with the same specs

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Engadget is a bit better, and they posted an article with the same specs
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"a bit" is both right and ambiguous. They repost articles from sites that repost articles from other sites. At least they usually point out things that sound too good to be true.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/10/details-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-leak-out-1-8ghz-dual-core-c/
Only mentions that it will be a Super AMOLED Plus HD display, which makes me think (meaning I am just making a random guess) it's a nonpentile display like the Nexus, and so it would be 720, which is still awesome. I wouldn't mind being wrong, but it just seems like we would have heard about a break through in OLED tech before the specs were released.

I heard google isnt going to be updating like usual anymore. Like their releasing their next updates to more phones rather than their nexus line. I mean this for next gen though.
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All i need in a galaxy s 3:
-Quad Core Exynos @ 1.5GHz (LTE CAPABLE DAMMIT)
-1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD @ 1.65"
-Sexy Body < 9mm Thin
-2000mAh+ Battery
-LTE
-ICS
-8MP Camera (although 12 would be nice, but an improved 8MP is all i need)
That's pretty much it

Sounds amazing. I think Qualcomm has a lot of LTE licensing control in the US. Don't be surprised at the last minute the 1.5 ghz Quad Exynos is replaced by 1.7ghz Quad Snapdragon that runs 1/2 the speed.
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I think my Skyrocket is good enough to keep me happy for 18 more months. And at that time, imagine what amazing tech we'll be able to get when it'll be time to renew.

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"a bit" is both right and ambiguous. They repost articles from sites that repost articles from other sites. At least they usually point out things that sound too good to be true.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/10/details-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-leak-out-1-8ghz-dual-core-c/
Only mentions that it will be a Super AMOLED Plus HD display, which makes me think (meaning I am just making a random guess) it's a nonpentile display like the Nexus, and so it would be 720, which is still awesome. I wouldn't mind being wrong, but it just seems like we would have heard about a break through in OLED tech before the specs were released.
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I meant to say betanews, as that's where I read the article from, but it seems he too is quoting bgr, which, as u said is about as reliable as the national inquirer. If indeed these specs r tru that would be great, but on further investigation the exynos Chooser was only just recently been demoed to the public, let alone shipped with any Samsung devices, As the s3 has been in Dev for awhile, I'm more skeptical now. I honestly think it will still be a dual core exynos. U could always jump ship and get an HTC One X

M0D1441 said:
All i need in a galaxy s 3:
-Quad Core Exynos @ 1.5GHz (LTE CAPABLE DAMMIT)
-1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD @ 1.65"
-Sexy Body < 9mm Thin
-2000mAh+ Battery
-LTE
-ICS
-8MP Camera (although 12 would be nice, but an improved 8MP is all i need)
That's pretty much it
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Completely agree. That sounds like my perfect phone. God I love LTE.
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M0D1441 said:
All i need in a galaxy s 3:
-Quad Core Exynos @ 1.5GHz (LTE CAPABLE DAMMIT)
-1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD @ 1.65"
-Sexy Body < 9mm Thin
-2000mAh+ Battery
-LTE
-ICS
-8MP Camera (although 12 would be nice, but an improved 8MP is all i need)
That's pretty much it
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I'm assuming you meant 4.65"
And can I get a f'ing hardware keyboard phone with top of the line specs..preferably with 5 rows but I'll take 4 just to get the keyboard.
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That thing had better haves nice battery, dual core phones already have some battery woes..quad core is just ridiculous to me.
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jamesd86 said:
I'm assuming you meant 4.65"
And can I get a f'ing hardware keyboard phone with top of the line specs..preferably with 5 rows but I'll take 4 just to get the keyboard.
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<Rant> I would sell my skyrocket in a heartbeat for a phone that was even 80% as good but with a physical keyboard. Don't get me wrong, I luv my skyrocket, but texting and emails on ANY touchscreen is still cumbersome at best. Touchscreen intuitive with added keyboard is still the way to go in my opinion. This isn't a niche market, if a respectable manufacturer came out with something recent, people would flock to it as a viable alternative to crapberrys </Rant>

this is THE device that i am waiting on......the note will hold me over till the SGSIII is dropped. and i WILL be getting it. im hoping that they can keep the exynos though, but for some reason i doubt it.
either way it should be a beast of a device for the end users. im hoping by years end this device will be available to us.
keeps fingers crossed.

I wanna see how the Exynos matches the krait quad core before wasting more money.
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New Snapdragon S4 quad core benchmarked.

And wow.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/?m=false
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Put it in s4!
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Over 7500 quadrant, Jesus...
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Over 7500 quadrant, Jesus...
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Even if it's a quadrant score, supposedly doubling the power and ability of the T3 and even leaves the dual core S4 in it's trail.
That's some serious power.

No Way!
That is just Nuts. Technology is just moving soo fast.

I've been saying it all along-if you want a true generational leap above 2011 processors, Quad core Krait + Adreno 320 or A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 are the way to go. I can't believe how glad I am that I've held out with my Sensation while upgrade addicts have SG3s and One Xs for the next few years (unless they upgrade again). And don't kid yourself-these SoCs will be used for no less than 5" full 1080p displays.
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only got one word to say; WOOOOOWWWWWWW

Apparently they're selling the developer's tablet with this processor for $1300.

cool but we will see this next year not this year.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/qualcomms-quadcore-snapdragon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Great performance preview of this. As excited as I am for this, I'm honestly worried that the GPU may not be as impressive as I was hoping. The iPad still appears to be the king of the GPU hill, so although Adreno 320 is a step forward from Adreno 225, it still isn't "blown-away" status, unlike the CPU. Now this isn't a final version of what we will see in consumer products, so maybe there's more to be seen, but I'm already beginning to wonder if A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 will be a better combination (assuming Mali T-604 lives up to the hype that it will blow all other GPUs out of the water). Then again, we're not sure what will appear on only tablets and what will appear on phones as well, and both should be plenty powerful, so maybe it won't matter which one will be better.

The Janitor Mop said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/qualcomms-quadcore-snapdragon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Great performance preview of this. As excited as I am for this, I'm honestly worried that the GPU may not be as impressive as I was hoping. The iPad still appears to be the king of the GPU hill, so although Adreno 320 is a step forward from Adreno 225, it still isn't "blown-away" status, unlike the CPU. Now this isn't a final version of what we will see in consumer products, so maybe there's more to be seen, but I'm already beginning to wonder if A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 will be a better combination (assuming Mali T-604 lives up to the hype that it will blow all other GPUs out of the water). Then again, we're not sure what will appear on only tablets and what will appear on phones as well, and both should be plenty powerful, so maybe it won't matter which one will be better.
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If Android only came on one tablet from one manufacturer, you could optimize the hell out of the software to take full advantage of the hardware. But that's not the case. For Apple, it is.

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If Android only came on one tablet from one manufacturer, you could optimize the hell out of the software to take full advantage of the hardware. But that's not the case. For Apple, it is.
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It's a price to pay. A price well paid from us all.

Absolutely ridiculous.... as for the price tag.

hullbay said:
Absolutely ridiculous.... as for the price tag.
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That's a development tablet for you.
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That is insane. I was pretty proud of my rezound 6 or 7 months ago. Apples and oranges.
Personally I don't game on my phone though, so at a point I gotta wonder when enough is enough.

paintball23456 said:
cool but we will see this next year not this year.
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We will see it this year.

KingKuba13 said:
We will see it this year.
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We won't. Period
send from my brain to your con

The Janitor Mop said:
I've been saying it all along-if you want a true generational leap above 2011 processors, Quad core Krait + Adreno 320 or A15 Exynos + Mali T-604 are the way to go. I can't believe how glad I am that I've held out with my Sensation while upgrade addicts have SG3s and One Xs for the next few years (unless they upgrade again). And don't kid yourself-these SoCs will be used for no less than 5" full 1080p displays.
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If its adreno 320...
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It will kill more than 20 adreno 200's!!!

I wonder what the benchmarks of processors will be in 10 years from now.... That will be great to see.

This is amazingly ridiculous in terms of power. Surely, this is wonderful for the development of hardware but there must be some focus on letting everything else follow. When will there be a battery that can actually withstand this power? I would love having the power and more than 24 hours of battery life at the same time.

Exynos 5 Octa and 1080P SAMOLED Performance Concerns

My understanding of the big.LITTLE architecture is that it is a logical extension of the architecture implemented in Nvidia's Tegra 3 SoC. You have a lower-power architecture (in Tegra it was one core, in this case it's 4) that can handle operations in the background or "lite" activites, and a more robust quad-core A15 chipset to handle the heavy loads.
The implementation in Tegra 3 wasn't particularly impressive (read: awful), and I honestly think the 70% battery savings tossed by ARM is bollocks -- even besides the fact that the baseline isn't mentioned (i.e. 70% more efficient than what at what exactly?).
Why?
Pull up your battery stats and look at what's consuming the vast majority of your battery life. It is and always will be the screen. Until we develop technologies that make screens far more energy-efficient or batteries vastly larger in the same space (Apple?), marginally more efficient processors won't really mean much.
The worst-case scenario for big.LITTLE is that we'll have a quad-core A7 chipset doing the majority of our light work including interface operations, which would most likely make the phones feel slower than current A9/A15-core chipsets as far as interface is concerned. I don't know about you but even Exynos 4 to Qualcomm S4 Pro is a noticeable jump in UI response, so I'm not ready for a step backward. My understanding is that these chipsets can't even be utilized together for the same tasks -- lack of multi-threadedness aside, the most performance we'll realize from Exynos 5 will be about the same as other quad-core A15 SoCs.
Additionally, the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and even Galaxy S3 all utilized pentile SAMOLED displays. My understanding is that non-pentile SAMOLEDs can't effectively be produced with sufficient pixel density (e.g. "Retina" threshold) -- hence why the larger Note 2 screen is the first Galaxy phone to feature a non-pentile 720P SAMOLED. Do you guys really think the manufacturing process has improved enough to produce a 1080P non-pentile SAMOLED? I'm seriously expecting a pentile display in the Galaxy S4 at this rate.

What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.

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What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
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What doesn't make sense about it?
ARM's been pretty clear about how big.LITTLE's state-switching works.
If you take the mW consumption of a modern screen and a modern processor in any given state (idle or max), it's not really mathematically possible to increase battery life by 70% with just the processor.
I agree the pentile thing is pretty baseless, since Samsung came out and said it was for longevity. The matrix would probably be at least like the Note 2's, though no telling.
I'd like to understand from your perspective what the benefits of big.LITTLE could possibly be over power-gating?

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What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.
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He was stating his thoughts based on what is known about the big.little architecture and the exynos 5 octa revealed at CES. There is no crap about that. Maybe you should read his post thoroughly and learn a bit about the new exynos 5 soc, then it would make more sense to you.
To OP: I think we would just have to wait until the SOCs are benchmarked to judge whether the tegra 4, snapdragon 600 & 800, or the exynos 5 octa is better.
And yes, going from an A9 to A15 is a major jump. ARM claims that each generation, (eg. A8 to A9 to A15) will give double the performance of the last gen architecture.
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hot_spare said:
What a load of crap was that? You make absolutely no sense at all.
What is the point of this thread? You are assuming a lot of things and based on these assumptions you are expecting people to discuss.
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That was a HUGE load of crap by the op, someone please go to the store and get more toilet paper.
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klin1344 said:
To OP: I think we would just have to wait until the SOCs are benchmarked to judge whether the tegra 4, snapdragon 600 & 800, or the exynos 5 octa is better.
And yes, going from an A9 to A15 is a major jump. ARM claims that each generation, (eg. A8 to A9 to A15) will give double the performance of the last gen architecture.
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It makes me wonder about the A50-series architecture, which really seems like the generation to wait for. If the Nexus 10 is any indication the huge jump in the upcoming Galaxy S4 generation should be the GPU, whose speed improvements will more than offset pushing 2.25x as many pixels.
I thought the recent hexagon/diamond-subpixel arrangement rumors about the Galaxy S4 were pretty interesting. Makes me interested to see how such an arrangement will hold up against non-pentile 1080P since I thought the S3 was pretty soundly trounced by the One X as far as display quality goes.

Lol seriously this OP
btw I was thinking if exynos octa would have some advantage over other processors in multi threaded benchmarks. .
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i agree with Op. snapdragon 800 2.3 FTW
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souleater11 said:
i agree with Op. snapdragon 800 2.3 FTW
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Honestly we cannot judge until the benchmarks are out...but I place my bets on the snapdragons, as they have smoked this generation of quad core tegra and exynos chips with just their dual core s4's.
Plus I always stick to Qualcomm because of the availability of always updated source from CAF.
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klin1344 said:
Honestly we cannot judge until the benchmarks are out...but I place my bets on the snapdragons, as they have smoked this generation of quad core tegra and exynos chips with just their dual core s4's.
Plus I always stick to Qualcomm because of the availability of always updated source from CAF.
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I don't think s600 would compete ,but s800 would be competitive
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