What's the next phone after the captivate that's going to get a lot of dev attention? It seems like the Inspire and the Atrix aren't getting much, likely due to how hard it is to load ROMs. Is it just a matter of wait and see to know what the next well-developed AT&T Android phone is?
most likely whatever the next samsung phone is, if only because they don't bother with trying to lock them down
As it gets more defined I see it getting harder to load up custom roms for android. Ok maybe not harder but a longer flash process. I would say the next would be the next great HTC that comes out. A few have already moved from the Captivate to the Inspire and swear to leave Samsung alone lol
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As it gets more defined I see it getting harder to load up custom roms for android. Ok maybe not harder but a longer flash process. I would say the next would be the next great HTC that comes out. A few have already moved from the Captivate to the Inspire and swear to leave Samsung alone lol
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I do feel like HTC has the most support among enthusiasts, but it's hard to tell. Aren't the next Sony Ericson devices going to have non locked bootloaders purposely? If any of those hit AT&T, then I feel like those are going to be hot phones to develop for, since they have bloated software, unlocked bootloaders, and a lot of hardware. Or am I totally on the wrong track?
That, and when AT&T eats up T-Mo, we should have a lot more phones, since the MT, Sidekick and G series phones will be rolled into the AT&T portfolio.
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I do feel like HTC has the most support among enthusiasts, but it's hard to tell. Aren't the next Sony Ericson devices going to have non locked bootloaders purposely? If any of those hit AT&T, then I feel like those are going to be hot phones to develop for, since they have bloated software, unlocked bootloaders, and a lot of hardware. Or am I totally on the wrong track?
That, and when AT&T eats up T-Mo, we should have a lot more phones, since the MT, Sidekick and G series phones will be rolled into the AT&T portfolio.
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Personally ive had such bad experiences with sony devices of all shapes and sizes (computers, phones, home entertainment equipment) that i would buy a locked bootloader motorola phone before i would buy from sony again. that being said. ill probably go for the next great samsung phone, probably the galaxyS 2.
Many of our great Cappy devs moved to the Inspire(adamholden, di11i, DG)
Personally I picked up an Inspire but mainly out of boredom, I even flash my cappy more now, lol. As soon as the sgs2 is out for a few weeks ill be grabbing that too. It'll be a pricey move but with the way Samsung has taken care of those customers I see it as a good investment.
I'd stick with Samsung for a few reasons:
-Their hardware is top-of-the-line
-There are minimal lockdowns and restrictions to functionality and development
-Their build quality isn't terrible (they use Gorilla Glass and hard plastic, etc.)
-Their software has drastically improved (launcher aside, TouchWiz is pretty cool)
-Their video drivers are the only ones with h/w acceleration of tons of video and audio formats, and their MFC has support for containers such as MKV
-You can find really good deals on upgrades to phones like the Captivate
Samsung just released benchmark figures over 3000 for the SGS2. I truly hope AT&T get it before the end of the year
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Samsung just released benchmark figures over 3000 for the SGS2. I truly hope AT&T get it before the end of the year
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I don't see waiting for the att version a good idea at all, especially after the froyo situation.
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Personally ive had such bad experiences with sony devices of all shapes and sizes (computers, phones, home entertainment equipment) that i would buy a locked bootloader motorola phone before i would buy from sony again. that being said. ill probably go for the next great samsung phone, probably the galaxyS 2.
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I've had pretty good experiences over the years. We have some aging Sony HT gear, including my receiver that's from the 80's, before I was born!! That being said, I'm not so sold on their phones.
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Really? I don't see a whole lot going on for the Inspire. There's only a couple of roms out right now...
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I'd stick with Samsung for a few reasons:
-Their hardware is top-of-the-line
-There are minimal lockdowns and restrictions to functionality and development
-Their build quality isn't terrible (they use Gorilla Glass and hard plastic, etc.)
-Their software has drastically improved (launcher aside, TouchWiz is pretty cool)
-Their video drivers are the only ones with h/w acceleration of tons of video and audio formats, and their MFC has support for containers such as MKV
-You can find really good deals on upgrades to phones like the Captivate
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Top of the line hardware? Yeah, right. Samsung's hardware is decent, I love the form factor of the Captivate, but the build quality and RF are definitely a mixed bag. Some big ups, and some big downs.
I would agree about the lockdowns, however, they are a lot more open than Motorola about it.
With Gingerbread source code released, I'm happy with my Captivate for a good while longer. There are still 2.2.1 roms I haven't flashed yet. I dont think I'll be moving on anytime soon
not sure what the next will be with the 4g galaxy s line being more diverse and the galaxy s 2 not being available on contract yet.
also i think the atrix will get alot but it will come in different forms. some (like me) are holding off for alternaltive before the splurge on an atrix. i want to see what others have to offer in the dual core areana before i open my wallet but very well might get an atrix. there will be kernel modules and patches rather than kernels built from source. also they are working to get full advantage out of the motorola webtop view. using it to launch linux along side android making the accessories almost worth having.
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not sure what the next will be with the 4g galaxy s line being more diverse and the galaxy s 2 not being available on contract yet.
also i think the atrix will get alot but it will come in different forms. some (like me) are holding off for alternaltive before the splurge on an atrix. i want to see what others have to offer in the dual core areana before i open my wallet but very well might get an atrix. there will be kernel modules and patches rather than kernels built from source. also they are working to get full advantage out of the motorola webtop view. using it to launch linux along side android making the accessories almost worth having.
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I wanted to love the Atrix because of it's qHD screen in the 4" form factor, but the way its locked up is just bad. I hope that devs are able to get past it, but the other thing that I'm worried about, both on the official update and ROMs side is that they will be worrying about the whole webtop/dock garbage, and that will slow down the actual software development of the device in order to incorporate a bunch of useless features.
I too havn't had good experiences with sony phones. They seem to be turning into the next apple. Barely upgrade their phones and say thats its a whole new phone. (x10/arc)
Definitely want the galaxy s II. that thing's a beast and a half.
So disappointed with the Atrix's smokey screen. It had so much potential!
Has anyone heard anything about the Infuse 4g? it seems so insignificant now.
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I too havn't had good experiences with sony phones. They seem to be turning into the next apple. Barely upgrade their phones and say thats its a whole new phone. (x10/arc)
Definitely want the galaxy s II. that thing's a beast and a half.
So disappointed with the Atrix's smokey screen. It had so much potential!
Has anyone heard anything about the Infuse 4g? it seems so insignificant now.
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The Galaxy S II does seem like a cool phone, I'm just a little concerned about the trend towards 4.3" screens. 4" is ginormous enough- can't we just stop there?
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The Galaxy S II does seem like a cool phone, I'm just a little concerned about the trend towards 4.3" screens. 4" is ginormous enough- can't we just stop there?
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Most of them reduce the bezel size so that a larger screen doesn't necessarily mean a way larger device. Take the SGSII for example and you will see that it ain't that much bigger than it's predecessor despite an extra 3 inches in screen size.
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Most of them reduce the bezel size so that a larger screen doesn't necessarily mean a way larger device. Take the SGSII for example and you will see that it ain't that much bigger than it's predecessor despite an extra 3 inches in screen size.
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Lol you forgot your "."
I was like what the hell did I miss ,a seven inch screened phone?... Ha then a decimal and quick maths...oh ya. But for a second you had me
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Lol you forgot your "."
I was like what the hell did I miss ,a seven inch screened phone?... Ha then a decimal and quick maths...oh ya. But for a second you had me
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Those videos of the english guy saying "HALLLOOOOOO!!!!!" on his giant phone will come alive with a smartphone!!!
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I'd stick with Samsung for a few reasons:
-Their hardware is top-of-the-line
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Yeah, just like the GPS in the Captivate.
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Ok so I bought a Captivate day 1 when it was released and it is a great phone dont get me wrong. but after coming from htc devices where the pace of development is so much faster than this i feel like moving on to something different. I like my captivate but i dont LOVE it. i am on the verge of trading my captivate for an HTC HD2..... i just kinda wanna know what you guys think? thanks so much and please dont stone me for this.
If you feel limited only due to the current software features of the Captivate, I would recommend you stick around - it is taking some time but soon enough there will be loads of development based around the Captivate and other Galaxy S phone models. Whether it be custom ROMS or OTA updates.
However, if you're restricted due to the lower 5MP camera without flash or another hardware limitation you may want to switch devices while yours is still high in value.
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If you feel limited only due to the current software features of the Captivate, I would recommend you stick around - it is taking some time but soon enough there will be loads of development based around the Captivate and other Galaxy S phone models. Whether it be custom ROMS or OTA updates.
However, if you're restricted due to the lower 5MP camera without flash or another hardware limitation you may want to switch devices while yours is still high in value.
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thanks for your response and i do agree that development will get better but im tired of waiting on samsung. htc is way more on top of things. and i like the 4.3 inch screen and the camera along with it's flash
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Don't waste your time with these second class phones. Get an iPhone and be proud and you will not regret it.
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i have had an iphone and it does not compare to android at all. android is a billion times better than iOS
freddieman23 said:
Don't waste your time with these second class phones. Get an iPhone and be proud and you will not regret it.
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LMAO, What's this guys problem? Steve is that you, in your beltless jeans and turtle neck??
On topic: The HD2 is nice, but the 1ghz Snapdragon is power hungry at 65nm and only delivers 35% of the graphics power of the 45nm Hummingbird (Easy to OC). The Captivates screen is better aswell (500,000:1 contrast!!!!), and it can support up to 50gigs over 32. (16 onboard, 32 Sd, and 2GB ROM = 50gb) I had the same choice to make, and The Galaxy S is a clear winner, unless you want winmo and android.
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LMAO, What's this guys problem? Steve is that you, in your beltless jeans and turtle neck??
On topic: The HD2 is nice, but the 1ghz Snapdragon is power hungry at 65nm and only delivers 35% of the graphics power of the 45nm Hummingbird (Easy to OC). The Captivates screen is better aswell (500,000:1 contrast!!!!), and it can support up to 50gigs over 32. (16 onboard, 32 Sd, and 2GB ROM = 50gb) I had the same choice to make, and The Galaxy S is a clear winner, unless you want winmo and android.
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thanks for your input! im still torn though haha the grass always looks greener on the other side. well i guess it looks greener on our screens but...
freddieman23 said:
Don't waste your time with these second class phones. Get an iPhone and be proud and you will not regret it.
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omg!!! i think its time the admins here put a ban on this user for talking nothing abt the issue posted, but abt his iphone crap and trolling around.
Owner of both...
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Ok so I bought a Captivate day 1 when it was released and it is a great phone dont get me wrong. but after coming from htc devices where the pace of development is so much faster than this i feel like moving on to something different. I like my captivate but i dont LOVE it. i am on the verge of trading my captivate for an HTC HD2..... i just kinda wanna know what you guys think? thanks so much and please dont stone me for this.
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Hi, I think we have the same problem, but when I decide to buy the captivate I've already own a HTC HD2. I love all the specs listed on the samsung captivate (located on AT&T's web page), but when finally got the captivate on my hands I've just couldn't let go my HTC HD2. I order to get more Android friendly, long before I received my captivate, I start to use froyo on the HTC HD2, love how it feels, but when I need to work with my devices, it all comes down to switch back to WM (may be because my life is ruled by microsoft). It's so hard for me to leave behind my HTC HD 2, that I still uses both phones (siwchting between froyo 2.1, Froyo Stone Sence HTC HD2 and WM). Last night I've instaled the latest update to my Captivate and here I'm giving the last chance to my samsung device to be up to the challenge. by the end of the week i'll give you a finall decition.
It honestly depends on your usage. I understand one of the bigger things I've noticed from this article is that you are shooting for a 4.3 inch screen. If you are shooting for a large screen phone (for watching hours and hours of youtube and movies) maybe the HD2 is best for you.
I've owned a good chunk of smartphones from the Aria to the Streak, and I've got to tell you...there's not alot that beats the Captivate. I watched the Expendables (HD quality rip) on my Captivate, and since that day...I don't think other phones compare at this point in that aspect.
Keep in mind the SAMOLED screen, the Video via 3.5 mm jack, and the Gorilla Glass and make your decision .
Just know that from what i've seen in my time here, XDA is with you 100% on whatever choice you make.
Thanks everyone for you input. I love my captivate but i did trade it for an HD2 and i love my HD2 so far. the screen is awesome but most of all i love the insanely large amount of roms available for it!
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Thanks everyone for you input. I love my captivate but i did trade it for an HD2 and i love my HD2 so far. the screen is awesome but most of all i love the insanely large amount of roms available for it!
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Well, it's been out for 10 months.
I mean, we would get Infuse 4G in this spring. However that is not Galaxy S 2, just overclocked Captivate with better screen. Rumors confirmed that new Galaxy S series will come with Orion processor that is duelcore hummingbird. I know android OS and apps are not optimized to duel core so it could be useless battery hog until it get honeycomb.
But most concerning point is Infuse 4G will come with froyo and take time forever to get gingerbread, it is really dealbeaker. Also Infuse 4G will have no international brother like i9000 which is our ROM source.
Should I end up contract to AT&T and move on other carrier?
Given Galaxy S2 is still under tight wrap waiting to be announced at MWC, it is too early to talk about whether or not AT&T will get it.
Officially, Galaxy S2 does not even exit. So how do you know AT&T won't get it.
So far, the only Android OS I saw that mentioned dual-core support is HoneyComb (3.0) which is only for tablet. Gingerbread does not support dual core. So, having a dual core phone right now is quite useless, the other half will just stay unused.
Go to t-mobile and quit samsuck completely. AT&T is terrible with Android support, and Samsuck.....well......they suck. That is unless you want your phone to be a statistic in the Samsuck fragmentation universe.
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Go to t-mobile and quit samsuck completely. AT&T is terrible with Android support, and Samsuck.....well......they suck. That is unless you want your phone to be a statistic in the Samsuck fragmentation universe.
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T-mobile sucks in this area...so that really isn't a good alternative IMHO...and I have absolutely no idea what you are saying about the fragmentation..There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
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lol @ relying on a carrier to provide OS support. Do it yourself. XDA is here for a reason.
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There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
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Truer words have never been spoken.
Mac11700 said:
There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
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QF the muther******* T!
there are rumors of the nexus s coming for at&t.
engadget dot com/2011/01/27/nexus-s-coming-in-a-new-atandt-flavor/
and at&t itself has said that this year they'll be bringing a lot of top end android phones (not gimping them to make iphone look superior). a good side-effect of them losing iphone exclusivity.
i'd wait for feb14-17 for the mobile world conference to get a better idea of which phones are coming.
Personally, the Captivate is the last Samsung product I'll buy, and probably the last product I'll buy from A**. The way I was ripped off on this phone by the customer support will survive in my memory for AT LEAST the duration of this contract. I don't care WHAT Samsung comes up with.
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Personally, the Captivate is the last Samsung product I'll buy, and probably the last product I'll buy from A**. The way I was ripped off on this phone by the customer support will survive in my memory for AT LEAST the duration of this contract. I don't care WHAT Samsung comes up with.
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I'm with you on that. Samsuck is dead to me. As soon as the Atrix or Optimus 2X hits AT&T I'm ditching my Captivate immediately.
I would like to leave AT&T too, but where I live, they have the best 3G speeds. With HSDPA/HSUPA enabled I get 2Mb down/1.5 Mb up. Verizon here cant touch that. Everybody at work has VZW and they get about 700kb up and down.
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lol @ relying on a carrier to provide OS support. Do it yourself. XDA is here for a reason.
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Here, here!
Unless it's the Nexus S, don't buy a Samsung anything. You'll regret it.
A nrw OS does not fix a broken phone. Even with the best OS, the bad phones turn themselves off and the GPS stays flakey. Thats not to mention that you're risking your warantee and the folks that bricked their phones upgrading. I have changed ROMS but for a top of the line smart phone, you shouldn't have to.
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Very Good Phone
im far away from ATT so i dont know how its support works. For me the Captivate is the best phone ive ever had. I dont have any complains about it. And is even better with the great roms available here on XDA. iphone 4 lovers hate me when i show them all the things i can do... Sure there probably are better phones... but i dont see a reason to change mine for a while.
This will be my last Samsung as well. Thankfully Andromeda 1.0 makes it a usable phone to get me through this contract.
Yeah, the GPS leaves a lot to be desired. I've managed to finally get a ROM/Kernel/Modem combination that is stable, and can keep a GPS lock.
The only other Samsung phone I had prior to this was the WinMo Blackjack. Back then I didn't know enough about smartphones to be aware that it was horrible.
But, hey, I got my Captivate for free. Christmas present from my girlfriend, and she only paid $70 for the phone, screen protector, and 16 gig microSD card. So, I can't complain too much.
I am grateful to the Captivate, though. Without it, I wouldn't have learned about Android, and what true customization is all about.
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A nrw OS does not fix a broken phone. Even with the best OS, the bad phones turn themselves off and the GPS stays flakey. Thats not to mention that you're risking your warantee and the folks that bricked their phones upgrading. I have changed ROMS but for a top of the line smart phone, you shouldn't have to.
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Honestly not hating on you dude, but you should buy an IPhone. If you want something that works out of the box and you don't have to mess with that's the way to go. EVERY Android handset out there requires tweaking to some degree or another. And every other manufacturer has their own issues.
Samsung has a bit of a track record of not updating and now the GPS issues. But Motorola gets you a locked boot loader. LG currently doesn't have a real competitor in the US yet. HTC just took the EVO and rebadged it for Verizon and AT&T, not to mention the Desire HD for the rest of the world.
I'm not overly thrilled with the Captivate. It's a great phone, but the lack of support from Samsung (cmon, at&t may have it's faults but they have little to do with the lack of an update or support, they just sell phones, my opinion of course.) The biggest issue for me is GPS. I do have a standalone unit for trips and such but I really like having a phone that can get me from A to B easily. I don't carry my GPS everywhere, I do carry my phone.
Would I buy another Samsung Device?? Maybe. I'd certainly wait a few weeks after it was released to see what the main issues are. As far as software, I don't care. I flash ROM's more than I change my...... Well you get my point.
if att gets the galaxy 2? it will hit in the fall of course,they will milk the atrix ,infuse and the htc dealio for all they are worth. sad reaalllymost likely increase data charges for no reason than renaming their 3g network....sounds like the goverment at work here, we need bigger goverment to counteract this maddddnesss
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im far away from ATT so i dont know how its support works. For me the Captivate is the best phone ive ever had. I dont have any complains about it. And is even better with the great roms available here on XDA. iphone 4 lovers hate me when i show them all the things i can do... Sure there probably are better phones... but i dont see a reason to change mine for a while.
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Gotta agree with you there. When I switched from my iPhone to the Cappy, I'll admit I went through some withdrawal basically because a comparable cydia/rock alternative wasn't readily available (I really missed the streaming video and content apps...the ones that worked anyway :/ ). The work the devs are doing within the XDA community breathed new life and excitement into my cappy. I think in time, the overall developement scene for Android will rival and (hopefully) surpass what the iPhone community has accomplished.
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Gotta agree with you there. When I switched from my iPhone to the Cappy, I'll admit I went through some withdrawal basically because a comparable cydia/rock alternative wasn't readily available (I really missed the streaming video and content apps...the ones that worked anyway :/ ). The work the devs are doing within the XDA community breathed new life and excitement into my cappy. I think in time, the overall developement scene for Android will rival and (hopefully) surpass what the iPhone community has accomplished.
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Agreed. Before I got my Captivate, I was expecting the same Cydia/Installer combo to show up a couple minutes after I got it.
Honestly, Market serves as an undermined Cydia, but iPhone does have the better dev base by a landslide and that's why it's more popular, at least for devs and the like.
If Captivate had the dev base iPhone does, I wouldn't need anything else. Then again, I don't think anyone else would, either.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/27/samsung-galaxy-s3-challenge-iphone-5-autumn/
If true thats ridiculous....the GS2 isn't even out yet! Can we wait at least a year and a half for a successor?? I'd imagine many wont be pleased is thats true...
I want to get a new phone but its crazy how so may phones come out so quickly and out-dating the other...I feel like just getting the Iphone 5 and stick with that, at least there wont be a million choices like with android and get tempted to keep switching back and forth, I swear with android its like a new phone thats better comes out shortly after one phone comes out.
Anyone think they know what IP5 might have? Dual Core, better screen, different design, better Camera?
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http://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/27/samsung-galaxy-s3-challenge-iphone-5-autumn/
If true thats ridiculous....the GS2 isn't even out yet! Can we wait at least a year and a half for a successor?? I'd imagine many wont be pleased is thats true...
I want to get a new phone but its crazy how so may phones come out so quickly and out-dating the other...I feel like just getting the Iphone 5 and stick with that, at least there wont be a million choices like with android and get tempted to keep switching back and forth, I swear with android its like a new phone thats better comes out shortly after one phone comes out.
Anyone think they know what IP5 might have? Dual Core, better screen, different design, better Camera?
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Note how that article says samsung is thinking of a 2ghz device sometime next year, NOT this year, then there is speculation that the device is the SGS3, and then there is someone doing even further speculation that it could come out this fall, even though we know this is impossible partly because the SGS2 variant for verizon probably won't be out until a couple months before then at best based on current news. This is just overspeculation leading to insane predictions. SGS3 in Jan or Feb next year is possible though if Tegra 3 is out by then though, as samsung will want to compete, but that's just my own speculation and have no factual data backing it as well.
Meh, I like having the highest tiered phone as much as the next guy so something new/awesome coming out right after I got the past top tier phone is a little irritating, however having new things out is always great.
I can't see me needing anything stronger than the Galaxy S 2; I would love a 4.5 inch screen but 4.3 and the specs it has is great.
The Wonders of competition I'd rather they were doing this than have technology move very slowly, Just pick a phone you like, Not slow, looks good, nice screen, decent camera and then stick with it
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The Wonders of competition I'd rather they were doing this than have technology move very slowly, Just pick a phone you like, Not slow, looks good, nice screen, decent camera and then stick with it
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Agreed. You can drive yourself insane waiting for the perfect device. Pick whatever suits you best when you need a new phone and stick with it for a year or two or until you genuinely need more power.
I stuck with my mt3g as long as I could. Now I have the mt4g and love it! I don't anticipate outgrowing it any time soon.
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Seriously this is getting annoying. How am I suppose to keep up with that... They need to invest in their current devices instead of shooting out new ones every half a year...
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Seriously this is getting annoying. How am I suppose to keep up with that... They need to invest in their current devices instead of shooting out new ones every half a year...
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I totally agree with is statement, its getting so you cant even appreciate te phone you waited for. I have a friend who literally buys every verizon phone as it comes out and sells his current phone everytime. I personally will be buying e sensation and thats it for atleast s year.
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It is pretty frustrating :S Especially for Canadians, we get locked in 3 year contracts, not 2
the grass is always greener.
Well you're not alone. It's not like software/graphics wise, it's keeping up with the hardware. I don't really see any game that's pushing the tegra devices to their limit, or even power vr sgx540.
So point being, even if hardware improves dramatically next year, last year's phones will still keep up with what today demands.
sgs2 is already out, just not in north america yet.
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If true thats ridiculous....the GS2 isn't even out yet! Can we wait at least a year and a half for a successor?? I'd imagine many wont be pleased is thats true...
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It's not true.
If it were true, IT Portal wouldn't have put a question mark on the end of the headline.
But you visited the page, and probably saw some ads. IT Portal got advertising revenue. A few thousand more like you, and IT Portal sustains its business.
Who cares about the truth when you've a business to run?
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...I can't see me needing anything stronger than the Galaxy S 2...
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amen to that bro. I love my vibrant. and the SGS2 is just going to be so awesome I will be so content with that too haha
Give me Tegra 3, 2GB ram, HD display, 4320p recording.
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Give me Tegra 3, 2GB ram, HD display, 4320p recording.
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Lulzy.
I don't see a problem with SGS the Third coming out next year... one solid leap forward every year sounds perfectly legitimate to me so long as the tech and improvements are keeping pace.
Yeah. I'm a little knicked that I got a great phone (HTC HD2) released here in the US a little over a year ago, then the next thing I know it's EVO with Android, no Android for the HD2 (still the best hardware out there) and no Windows Phone 7 upgrade for the HD2 either from TMO. Now I'm trolling XDA and trying to put together the info and ability (and trying to work up the balls) to set up my HD2 on a dual boot with Android on SD and WinMo 6.5 NAND.
It gets old.
wth!!! how look that? i think really better than GS2
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I'm getting a straight trade +100~
Would out be worth it? Sounds nice......but.....its locked down and still only on froyo :/
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What its a straight trade +100~?
If you are getting atrix plus $100 then there is your answer, but if you are throwing in $100 with your captivate then no its not worth it.
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What its a straight trade +100~?
If you are getting atrix plus $100 then there is your answer, but if you are throwing in $100 with your captivate then no its not worth it.
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throwing in 100 with my captivate
can I ask why is it not worth it to you?
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throwing in 100 with my captivate
can I ask why is it not worth it to you?
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I hava an Atrix and a Captivate. I love both phones. He is right though, its not worth it. I would say that you should wait, hold off a few months and wait for the SGS II. AT&T has a variant coming sometime this year, and with the rollout of their LTE network starting this summer, you have to imagine that the SGS II would be a great canidate to be one of their 1st LTE enabled phones (that's personal opinion, not based on any verified info). Aside from that, the performance differences between the two phones is noticable, but not DRASTIC. Having actual, working GPS is nice, and some of the other features are cool, but honestly I would say wait.
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I hava an Atrix and a Captivate. I love both phones. He is right though, its not worth it. I would say that you should wait, hold off a few months and wait for the SGS II. AT&T has a variant coming sometime this year, and with the rollout of their LTE network starting this summer, you have to imagine that the SGS II would be a great canidate to be one of their 1st LTE enabled phones (that's personal opinion, not based on any verified info). Aside from that, the performance differences between the two phones is noticable, but not DRASTIC. Having actual, working GPS is nice, and some of the other features are cool, but honestly I would say wait.
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well TBH, I don't really mind about the SoC other than the fact that its a dual and it would be significantly better than the single core that my captivate has.
and I don't live in the states, so I"m not really affected about LTE and such since we don't have LTE or anything where I live.
what I am worried about is the locked bootloader and such cause I can safetly run gingerbread on my captivate, but I won't be able to be on gingerbread once I'm on the atrix and my ROM choices and tweakign and such will be very limited until we can get the bootloader unlocked since motorola is such an ass to lock it.
I'm still debating this....with half of me saying "no" and half of me saying "yes"
does your atrix "feel faster or smoother" compared to the captivate?
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well TBH, I don't really mind about the SoC other than the fact that its a dual and it would be significantly better than the single core that my captivate has.
and I don't live in the states, so I"m not really affected about LTE and such since we don't have LTE or anything where I live.
what I am worried about is the locked bootloader and such cause I can safetly run gingerbread on my captivate, but I won't be able to be on gingerbread once I'm on the atrix and my ROM choices and tweakign and such will be very limited until we can get the bootloader unlocked since motorola is such an ass to lock it.
I'm still debating this....with half of me saying "no" and half of me saying "yes"
does your atrix "feel faster or smoother" compared to the captivate?
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Ahh, then yea all the AT&T stuff is kinda irrelevant, lol. The rom choices out there are minimal due to the bootloader encryption, obviously, but there is a HELL of a lot of working going on to fix that. Don't want to speak too soon but we may be close. Khoulk, tenfar, TBH, and a bunch of others are working on it. The Atrix is faster and smoother, yes, but we still don't even have an ETA for Gingerbread.
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Ahh, then yea all the AT&T stuff is kinda irrelevant, lol. The rom choices out there are minimal due to the bootloader encryption, obviously, but there is a HELL of a lot of working going on to fix that. Don't want to speak too soon but we may be close. Khoulk, tenfar, TBH, and a bunch of others are working on it. The Atrix is faster and smoother, yes, but we still don't even have an ETA for Gingerbread.
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so do you"feel" that my captivate+100 would be a decent deal for a nice more "up to date" phone?
cheers
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so do you"feel" that my captivate+100 would be a decent deal for a nice more "up to date" phone?
cheers
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I have an atrix and since i have bought it i love my cappy more. The only thing better in atrix is GPS from end user perspective. Somebody was right when he mentioned that maybe its a better idea to wait for galaxy S II
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I have an atrix and since i have bought it i love my cappy more. The only thing better in atrix is GPS from end user perspective. Somebody was right when he mentioned that maybe its a better idea to wait for galaxy S II
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If you don't mind....can I ask you why do you like your captivate more?
Thanks
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If you don't mind....can I ask you why do you like your captivate more?
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I would check online to see what the going rate for a used captivate is before offering it up + 100 for the Atrix. Compare that to the price for an off-contract atrix and you'll have your answer as to whether or not its a "fair" trade, value wise. Comparing the two phones to each other depends on how much you value aftermarket development. I'm a hardcore themer and that's why I kept my cappy. I haven't released anything for the Atrix yet, and I've had it almost since launch. I was able to get the Atrix through work at no cost, so it was win-win for me. Hardware wise, it is superior (except for the screen. Super Am. beats out the qhd 960x540 IMO). Development wise, there's no contest. Cappy is on Gingerbread. End of discussion. Its a trade-off either way. That's why I said wait for the SGS II to become available whereever you're at: dev friendly + hardware that is equal to or bettan than the atrix is almost every way. They're both great phones, IMO... but the SGS II is gonna be even better. And some phone that no one knows about that will be announced 2 months from now will be even better than the SGS II, lol.
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I would check online to see what the going rate for a used captivate is before offering it up + 100 for the Atrix. Compare that to the price for an off-contract atrix and you'll have your answer as to whether or not its a "fair" trade, value wise. Comparing the two phones to each other depends on how much you value aftermarket development. I'm a hardcore themer and that's why I kept my cappy. I haven't released anything for the Atrix yet, and I've had it almost since launch. I was able to get the Atrix through work at no cost, so it was win-win for me. Hardware wise, it is superior (except for the screen. Super Am. beats out the qhd 960x540 IMO). Development wise, there's no contest. Cappy is on Gingerbread. End of discussion. Its a trade-off either way. That's why I said wait for the SGS II to become available whereever you're at: dev friendly + hardware that is equal to or bettan than the atrix is almost every way. They're both great phones, IMO... but the SGS II is gonna be even better. And some phone that no one knows about that will be announced 2 months from now will be even better than the SGS II, lol.
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going rate for the captivate is around 300~ but then the atrix goes for alot more as well........
Maybe I should just wait longer for more dual core phones.....?
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I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.
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I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.
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The devs have already rooted the phone I think. They are trying to unlock the bootloader.
Don't do it OP. After messing around on an Atrix for awhile, it is a good phone but feels a little finnicky.
A captivate on GB feels a lot smoother than a stock Froyo Atrix IMO.
My opinion you would be paying for a downgrade
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I definitely wouldn't do it - the Captivate just has so much more to offer with a thriving developer community. The Atrix is supposedly on the verge of being rooted, but it will likely take awhile for things to really boom (and there's no telling when the root will even be successful). I have a few friends with the Atrix, and while it looks to be a decent phone, most complain about battery life and call quality.
I'm no fanboy - I'd jump ship from the Captivate tomorrow if the price was right and hardware/software looked to be legit, but right now the Captivate feels like one of the best possible phones a regular user and geek can have.
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its already rooted....only thign missing is the bootloader's still locked
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The devs have already rooted the phone I think. They are trying to unlock the bootloader.
Don't do it OP. After messing around on an Atrix for awhile, it is a good phone but feels a little finnicky.
A captivate on GB feels a lot smoother than a stock Froyo Atrix IMO.
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"finnicky"? don't get me wrong
I'm running CM7 and have tried other gingerbread ROM's on my captivate
but I kill the battery so fast and it slows to a halt once I try to multi task with browsing and stuff
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why would I be paying for a downgrade?
can you describe in more detail please if you don't mind
I'm digging the front facing camera, the working GPS, and the resolution bump.
The atrix doesn't run as hot when playing games (my backplate used to burn me) or when running GPS and the battery last considerably longer.
What do you do on your phone? If you read more news and the like, the screen is great. If you watch more movies on your phone, then you might like the sammy screen better.
The fingerprint reader is nifty as well.
I am weary of samsung's gps on the infuse and the SGS II so I will steer clear..
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I'm digging the front facing camera, the working GPS, and the resolution bump.
The atrix doesn't run as hot when playing games (my backplate used to burn me) or when running GPS and the battery last considerably longer.
What do you do on your phone? If you read more news and the like, the screen is great. If you watch more movies on your phone, then you might like the sammy screen better.
The fingerprint reader is nifty as well.
I am weary of samsung's gps on the infuse and the SGS II so I will steer clear..
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I do a mix of both.....
I think i've decided....atrix it is.....now just to wait for the other party to finalize the deal
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I do a mix of both.....
I think i've decided....atrix it is.....now just to wait for the other party to finalize the deal
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In the end it's your decision. The only way you can really go wrong is if you went to the extremely locked down iphone. Enjoy your new atrix my friend.
don't do it! I have a captivate and I just bought an atrix for $300 and was planning on selling my captivate. But after using the atrix for a couple of days I decided to sell the atrix instead. It is just a bad user experience. Mainly because of the screen and the lack of response. Whenever I would use the slider to slide through contacts, it would lose track of my finger and call someone on accident. Also it is an eyesore to look at when you are scrolling.
Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One's launch. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling their pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling there pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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TBH I don't give a f u c k about samsung , about their announcements and about their phones , am I wronging something ?
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TBH I don't give a f u c k about samsung , about their announcements and about their phones , am I wronging something ?
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True sir, I'm following you
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True sir, I'm following you
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Same not interested in the galaxy s4. Had an s3 and it was nothing to write home about
I agree about Samsung, I had S3 and Note 2 and both are nothing to write home about except for note 2 battery life.
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Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One's launch. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling their pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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about a week ago, my next phone was indeterminate between the HTC1, SGS4, and the Motorola X-Phone.
initially, the SGS4 was rumoured to have amazing specs, but recent rumours have Samsung nerfing more and more of these "killer specs" due to production issues(though the 8-core exynos they were originally supposed to be going with was just two switch-between quad cores of different speeds, meaning the qualcomm which is now rumoured isn't actually a nerf after all) .
Add the fact that it will almost certainly be sporting the cheap poly-carbonate shell, the S4 is not a contender for me anymore.
the HTC1's solid build will help it a lot against the SGS4 threat since many buyers base their decision more on how a phone feels than what it contains (just look at all the people buying iPhones)
biggest thing against it will probably be battery life. If HTC didn't pick up their game in this regard, then the rumoured 3000Mah X-phone may take the market.
I wish there was something more substantial than rumours to go by.
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same here
I don't expect there to be a huge overall jump in anything - The S3 was an underwhelming update to the S2 - same damn camera, pentile screen etc.
But rest assured that Samsung will have some sort of ace up it's sleeve and/or marketing gimmicky crap (Pop up play, Nature UX ,S-voice, Smart Stay, S-note, S-tits) that will devour the entire market share of the segment.
Samsung does do the basics well though - it will have microSD and I expect the battery of the S4 to be excellent and close to 3000mAh - but they have very Apple like followers now. If they include some aluminum on their chassis and call it hyperaluminum and it'd sell 10 million on that alone.
I mean seriously - they called the glossy plastic back on the S3 'hyperglaze'.
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I don't expect there to be a huge overall jump in anything - The S3 was an underwhelming update to the S2 - same damn camera, pentile screen etc.
But rest assured that Samsung will have some sort of ace up it's sleeve and/or marketing gimmicky crap (Pop up play, Nature UX ,S-voice, Smart Stay, S-note, S-tits) that will devour the entire market share of the segment.
Samsung does do the basics well though - it will have microSD and I expect the battery of the S4 to be excellent and close to 3000mAh - but they have very Apple like followers now. If they include some aluminum on their chassis and call it hyperaluminum and it'd sell 10 million on that alone.
I mean seriously - they called the glossy plastic back on the S3 'hyperglaze'.
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"hyperglaze" ? they should had called it "hypercrap" LOL
The only feature I thought that was quite clever on the s3 was the 'smart stay' thing... Pop up play I NEVER used... ever! S Voice was a pile of crap, most of the features were naff
And lets be honest... Samsung has made it's fortune by essentially ripping off apple with its design, people will jump on me for saying that but it's true. A physical home key with the other android keys that fade into the background so it looks like they're not there, similar shapes, a UI that looks extremely similar. Samsung have done well with marketing but.. not for me Each to their own I guess.
love this thread so far
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The only feature I thought that was quite clever on the s3 was the 'smart stay' thing... Pop up play I NEVER used... ever! S Voice was a pile of crap, most of the features were naff
And lets be honest... Samsung has made it's fortune by essentially ripping off apple with its design, people will jump on me for saying that but it's true. A physical home key with the other android keys that fade into the background so it looks like they're not there, similar shapes, a UI that looks extremely similar. Samsung have done well with marketing but.. not for me Each to their own I guess.
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I honestly think that samsung was there for the taking at the time of the S3 - it was an underwhelming device. HTC were in with a huge chance but - like the Sensation before it - the One X was plagued with teething problems which put its performance below the GS3 as the time.
It always takes a while and 2-3 updates for HTC devices to realize their potential - remember HTC Sensation and the memory issues with the browser and the launcher? and the GPU lag? The Galaxy S2 had none of that and went on to become the people's champion. HOWEVER - after a few painful months and great dev work the issues were fixed and the Sensation went on to become even better than the S2 IMO - but it was too late.
In the case of the One X, HTC already had the best design and screen on the market but it was plagued with software/driver issues. Honestly, the One X before and after the Jellybean update were too completely different devices - gone was the overheating, the stuttery UI, the poor battery - it had become an amazing phone. But again, most people were put off by the initial problems and just went for the S3 instead.
I feel that HTC really need a solid, issue free launch for the One for it to be a success because, objectively, i don't see anything coming close to the One this year. HTC's really changed the game with the speakers and camera - and no-one saw it coming. All the One now needs is a well executed launch with no major issues and I feel the One can be THE top selling phone of the year.
Now, obviously with any new device there will be bugs in the beginning which is fine as long as they're minor and quickly addressed. Hopefully HTC avoids these issues and really takes the game to Samsung this year.
I applaud HTC for having the guts to do something different.... Samsung will just 'increase' the spec a bit over the S3 and for most people they'll be like 'OMG THIS IS THE BEST PHONE EVER' and if it does what you want then fair enough.
I really really hate how the galaxy range feels so cheap in the hand, when your spending that much money you want a premium product and I think that's why people love Apple so much... It may be expensive but you normally feel like it's worth the cost.
If you ask within the XDA community - whether anyone would cancel their orders for HTC One, answer is NO. Whoever decided to get HTC One is getting it. It doesn't really matter what Samsung shows for GS4, people will get the HTC One who already pre-ordered.
The same question if you ask outside the XDA community, then it's something totally different. As always, only thing which will push the device to consumers is marketing, promotion and brand awareness. HTC has to match Samsung's efforts in marketing. Else, many people might actually cancel the order.
Android Central is hosting "World's First Samsung Galaxy S4 Contest". Really!! And there are now close to 4000 comments already. HTC needs something to combat this Samsung marketing juggernaut.
I think HTC's deal with AOL might help them. All AOL sites are part of blinkfeed.
http://blog.aol.com/2013/02/19/aol-debuts-on-the-brand-new-htc-one/
They will however need much more than that. Expect a good review from Engadget and Techcrunch for HTC One.
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I agree with the statement above. ^^^^^ Thing is, Samsung has made a name for itself just like Apple, The iPhone isn't that great, but people worship apple like they are perfect. Coming from an iOS community i've seen the most ridiculous BS ever. Following people on twitter waiting over night for the next iPhone, iPad, crappy Macbooks, when none of them are ever that great. Just over expensive and too simple. They practically worship apple and its disgusting. I can understand people going for the "just works" slogan because, well, they "just work", great. But people who are on android want way more than that. Which is why i find Android Superior and am going from a iPhone 4 to an HTC One. Even though Android IS better in pretty much every aspect, people go to apple. They were the first, so they had a head start and made a name for themselves. (Also I think android before 4.0 was bad anyways, I didn't like it and i haven't seen so many people switch until 4.0 was out) So it will most likely be that Apple will always be ahead in smartphone sales. Samsung also was an early competitor, and was able to get there name out there since they had so much money to advertise. So everyone I know is either ALL APPLE, or they will only go for Samsung, thinking everything else is inferior. Not saying Samsung is terrible, but they got ahead while I think there smartphones aren't superior. This is why I think Samsung will hurt HTC when it comes too sales. Samsung is big, HTC isn't.
Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Looks like tomatoes8 is back with a ghost account.
Anyways less db's on HTC forums.
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Actually, if you care about HTC as a company then you should care about the announcement - it would be an understatement to say that this is the most crucial battle yet for HTC - and they've done their part by making an excellent product. So let's see.
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Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Problem is that the S4 was surely in production before they knew HTC would be using aluminum. And believe me, I already believe that Samsung will out do the HTC One by a long shot because Samsung has always done better with marketing there phones. Im sure they will release a new version of TouchWiz with lots of new features, but the Ones features are also great. Sense 5 looks mint, compared to TouchWiz and unless Samsung follows in that more minimalist design I'll still find TouchWiz ugly. I would agree its not about maknig the better phone is its about profits. Just like every other company in the world. Samsung will always have the upper hand whether or not they are crappy or great. Just like we see with pretty much every single Apple product. They made a name for themselves, So no matter what they put out, the iSheep WILL continue to buy there overpriced, crappy products. Still, Samsung > Apple any day. Samsungs products aren't crappy but i've never been impressed by a single thing Samsung has ever done.
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Problem is that the S4 was surely in production before they knew HTC would be using aluminum. And believe me, I already believe that Samsung will out do the HTC One by a long shot because Samsung has always done better with marketing there phones. Im sure they will release a new version of TouchWiz with lots of new features, but the Ones features are also great. Sense 5 looks mint, compared to TouchWiz and unless Samsung follows in that more minimalist design I'll still find TouchWiz ugly. I would agree its not about maknig the better phone is its about profits. Just like every other company in the world. Samsung will always have the upper hand whether or not they are crappy or great. Just like we see with pretty much every single Apple product. They made a name for themselves, So no matter what they put out, the iSheep WILL continue to buy there overpriced, crappy products. Still, Samsung > Apple any day. Samsungs products aren't crappy but i've never been impressed by a single thing Samsung has ever done.
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