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After much deliberation on which tablet i would get, investigationg specs and options only, I went with the TF101 over the ipad 2. Whilst the transformer is an impressive beast is it really ready for the market considering the widespread lack of support compared to iOS?
As an avid gamer I am less than thrilled with the options available in these terms. I'm still in two minds on whether I get an iPad.
Can anyone make me feel better about my purchase?
I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games. Seriously , go get an ipad and stop whining. It has only been a few months since the andriod tablet came out.
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myamex said:
I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games. Seriously , go get an ipad and stop whining. It has only been a few months since the andriod tablet came out.
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Thanks for your constructive comments. I was hoping to instigate some constructive discussion on developments and areas of improvement but your well ellocuted and educated comments will do.
Anyone else?
well I believe that Apple will always have a huge chunk of market share, as they do in the PC market, although I think Honeycomb needs simpler, and less geeky advertisements for it to be accepted by the average consumer. When you are asked by someone what your joyously typing away on, do they ask if its the Asus EEE Pad Transformer? Or do they often ask "is that an iPad?". Even when you tell them its your Transformer they still have no clue what it is. They need to expand the exposure of these tablets if Honeycomb, or Ice Cream Sandwich is to be successful. Its the same thing as nobody says "do you want to get fast food?" nearly as often as "wanna get mcdonalds?". People don't go into walmart very often asking for an Asus Transformer, they do go in to get an iPad though.
Ipads have a huge head start first and second exeyone thinks as a ipad as a toy and the android tablets are not really as they need more time to catch up. I honeycomb is easy to use as I have friends and family pick it up and start using it right away they all think it's cooler than the Ipads and a few people I know to Ipads even are jealous with what this thing can do
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The way I see it is that Honeycomb is just the first step on where Android is leading too. It is more like a 'beta' product.
I wouldnt be too worried about support, just like mobile it will soon grow through the time. Especially when Ice Cream Sandwich comes which will allegedly improve app compatibility between devices which should be easier for developers.
Honeycomb isnt treated as an OS on its own like that it will be forgotten and lose support, it is a specific build of Android that will be improving continuously. Things can only get better, not worse.
myamex said:
I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games.
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You must not be a gamer. The iPad has some console quality games that Android tablet users wish they had.
check out the upcoming game Warm Gun... Coming to pc and iOS.
Thanks everyone. Its hard not to recognise that this is a kickn product, cant wait for it to be better supported though. If I could just get order and chaos online working id be happy to wait for anything else. Well maybe modern combat also
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You must not be a gamer. The iPad has some console quality games that Android tablet users wish they had.
check out the upcoming game Warm Gun... Coming to pc and iOS.
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That ain't a console quality game. That's an iPad quality game that also happens to be on the PC.
The iPad 2 is still only about the speed of a netbook. High-powered games like Deus Ex 3 isn't gonna be on the iPad anytime soon, unless it's a side scroller.
If you're serious about gaming, get a cheap AMD A6 or A8 laptop instead, for roughly the price of an iPad (or less). Load up Steam, and you have all the game genres at your fingertips.
I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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Shame on you for pirating apps.
Shaquiel Harris said:
Shame on you for pirating apps.
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+1
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bighulk666 said:
I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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complain about no apps on your tablet
talk about pirating them in the same post
+1 against piracy. such activity would just prevent devs from developing apps.
to OP. the IOS didn't have tablet-ready apps when it first launched. had it been dismissed as a "dying animal" at that time would have prevented your the app-selection you're touting about now from being developed.
same goes for the andiod, or any other OSs.
btw: check out dungeon defenders to see what type of games the TF/honeycomb is capable of. still not convinced? get an ipad and be happy that way.
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Get yongzhs emulators. U don't need anymore games.
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I already have an iPhone4 so I ultimately have no use for a iPad or iPad2 since everything they can run I have on my phone. This is why I got my transformer. Different OS for different apps, and the keyboard dock makes it a perfect netbook replacement. Sadly though Honeycomb itself I believe is just a test bed. It's only a matter of months till ICS 4.0 is released and apps switch from being written mostly for 2.x to 4.x skipping the small tablet world of Honeycomb that lots of devs are ignoring. This is why I plan on selling the TF and getting the TF2 with the new quad core CPU once it comes out late this year.
WoodburyMan said:
I already have an iPhone4 so I ultimately have no use for a iPad or iPad2 since everything they can run I have on my phone. This is why I got my transformer. Different OS for different apps, and the keyboard dock makes it a perfect netbook replacement. Sadly though Honeycomb itself I believe is just a test bed. It's only a matter of months till ICS 4.0 is released and apps switch from being written mostly for 2.x to 4.x skipping the small tablet world of Honeycomb that lots of devs are ignoring. This is why I plan on selling the TF and getting the TF2 with the new quad core CPU once it comes out late this year.
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It really all depends on what u use it for. Netbook at home, netbook in class, some random browsing, has scriptures and hymns for church, plays n64 great with hdmi for the big screen. Its perfectly find for what I use it for... for now I guess. Who knows what'll come out later.
U say the jump from os 2 to 4. What about a jump from 3 to 5, or 6? I think it'll be a little while before android disappears.
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I feel that tablet support will get far better in the next few months once ICS is released. The only reason the iPad has such great app support is because is it essential a giant sized iPhone, almost all apps that work on the iPhone work on the iPad in some shape or form (most of them are zoomed/stretched, which is supported in HC 3.2). As someone else mentioned Honeycomb is more of a test bed for Android, it's Google's first foray into a tablet based OS and with the first generation of anything, stuff is always sub-optimal.
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When you are asked by someone what your joyously typing away on, do they ask if its the Asus EEE Pad Transformer? Or do they often ask "is that an iPad?". Even when you tell them its your Transformer they still have no clue what it is.
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EXACTLY! When I first got mine and showed it off to a bunch of tech-oriented people at my computer lab job and in my IT classes, that's the first thing they say!
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Shame on you for pirating apps.
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No, shame on Google for limiting the refund time to 15 minutes, which makes users turn to piracy to test out games/apps. Think about this for a minute: lets say you buy a game on your TF like Galaxy on Fire 2 that requires you to download additional content that could take up to 20 minutes to download and costs about $12. Once everything is downloaded, you start playing the game and you don't like it for some reason because either its glitchy, the controls suck, etc... if the return window was 24 hours like it used to be you could simply return the game and get your $12 back, but now you're screwed and have a game that you will never play again and you're out $12. Repeat this cycle a few times and you could be out a nice chunk of change, the more extreme option of this would be the buyer gets pissed and never buys another app again for the fear that they will get screwed the same way again.
****ty practices on the sellers end create the need for piracy, most people don't do it simply because they're cheap. Are PS3 and XBOX360 games really worth $60? If you buy 7 games, that's more than the price of both consoles and the price of a low-mid range computer!
Is it easier and really worth it to drive to a movie theater (which could be 20 minutes away), wait in line for anywhere from 5-60 minutes, pay $11-13 for a single ticket (which used to be $5 10-15 years ago for the same quality movie at the same theater), spend about the same amount on soda/popcorn/snacks, hopefully find at least two seats together (depending on how many people you're with), watch 20 minutes of previews, deal with assholes in the theater talking loudly (possibly on their cellphones) or throwing popcorn, having to perfectly choose when to go to the bathroom so you don't miss anything, finally watch the movie (which ended up sucking big time), filing out of the theater, and finally driving home while wondering why you actually wanted to go in the first place.
Or just simply pirate a half-decent copy a few days after the movie is released and watch it in the privacy of your own home where you have all the food you want and you can pause the movie to go take a piss whenever you want, all without spending a dime to watch it (excluding all the necessary stuff needed to obtain that pirated copy). If the movie was good, buy a copy of it when it comes out on DVD in a few months. If it sucked you just saved yourself a lot of time and money.
See what I mean?
LOL! Hypocrites.
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After much deliberation on which tablet i would get, investigationg specs and options only, I went with the TF101 over the ipad 2. Whilst the transformer is an impressive beast is it really ready for the market considering the widespread lack of support compared to iOS?
As an avid gamer I am less than thrilled with the options available in these terms. I'm still in two minds on whether I get an iPad.
Can anyone make me feel better about my purchase?
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If you've come on here just to ask about how much fun Android is to use over boring IOS in day to day use then there's your answer.
If your such an avid gamer why buy either? you could buy both an xbox and a playstation for the same money as a transformer
hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..
okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)
I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.
thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..
Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.
I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
okantomi said:
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..
Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?
hammer4203 said:
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..
I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..
None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.
I am really starting to like WebOS a lot and since we know it is the tablets and not the OS that were scrapped, I have to wonder about a possible groundswell of new development for the native operating system.
I am not quite as excited as most about getting FroYo on this thing, I actually think it may be a downgrade, performance-wise. GingerBread struck me as slightly different than FroYo, but Honeycomb is sweet. I also have a Viewsonic Gtablet running the FlashBack Honeycomb ROM and it is pretty damn nice, but I find WebOS to be a little more elegant and refined feeling. Especially after installing PreWare and adding the performance patches and stuff.
I am not a developer, but there are a lot of them around here and quite a few of them either already got or will get a touchpad to play with. I am hoping that some of them will be impressed enough (or intrigued enough) to look at the WebOS SDK and PDK.
Since there are already drivers for full functionality within WebOS, I would think it would not be too arduous for some of these intrepid devs to port a few of the popular apps over for those sticking with it. There is also a web-based widget builder called Project Ares that looks interesting.
Anybody else? Bueller?
I would continue using WebOS if there's a way to use Android apps on it
Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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With no apps just think how youll never exhaust its resources
Just read a site claiming to have an andriod dump from HP's tablet. There will be decent android roms in no time.
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i'm kind of torn about using android on my TP.
i quite like the way webOS works.
i honestly can't understand why HP gave up on this thing. it's brilliant.
sure it's a little slow out of the box, but so was my HTC magic. a new rom fixed that.
it has fantastic support from the preware community.
i'm loving gestures and cards.
a 3G modem would've been nice (or a usb port to allow a dongle), but again not a big deal given that most phones these days can do wireless hotspot and 99.9% of the time if i have my tablet, i also have my phone. therefore it's always able to connect.
i'll admit the build quality leaves a bit to be desired, but for a first up effort it's pretty good.
the touchstone dock is brilliant.
i'm tempted to buy a second one so i'll have one at home and one at work.
i love android. (i'm somewhat of a fanboy)
i recommend it to friends all of the time. but after experiencing webOS i'm starting to wonder why.
EDIT: maybe HP will sell or licence webOS off to google and we can get the best of both worlds?
Since WebOS was released on the Pre few years ago I always wanted to try this OS as I mostly heard good comments about it and it looked good.
I must say that WebOS on a tablet is WOW! I love it.
I really hope new apps will be developed and that I will be able to continue to use WebOS.
I like my Android phone, but I would be happy continuing having a WebOS tablet.
I have heard that the HP Touchpad has a 3G and 4G wan aready on the chip and just waiting for software to activate. Just like the Nook color bluetooth that it never came with but was activated within Gingerbread.
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I really hope we will get the dual boot option. I would love to use that UbuntuChroot on it while enjoying Froyo or GB
I've always been interested in webOS ever playing witha mates palm pre. The cheap touchpads seemed like a great way of getting a webOS device.
I don't understand why people want to remove webOS, however I can understand trying to port android apps to it.
I'm still waiting delivery of my touchpad, cant wait to get playing around with it.
Does anyone know if I can mess with the browser so I can access chrome webapps?
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
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I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
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The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
Hopefully the Palmdroid project produces results. Because I prefer the webOS experience.
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The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
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Yep, WebOS development will continue.
I really don't understand the cry for Android either. Froyo is not that amazing, Gingerbread isn't that great either. Heck, I have owned quite a few Honeycomb tablets (Xoom, rooted Nook Color, Dell Streak 7) and none of them impressed me.
I get that people here overwhelmingly like Android. But the only merit I can see for putting Android on this guy is for the apps. And, lets be honest, anything besides Android 3.X isn't even optimized for a large display like the touchpad. The Gmail application for example is just a giant list of emails. The WebOS email interface is leagues ahead because it actually takes advantage of the screen size by layering slide-panels instead of just being a giant list of messages!
WebOS is an awesome operating system. The only things holding it back to this point have been total garbage hardware (the Pre was trash) and a lack of developer interest. With HP pushing out hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these tablets in days, its safe to say that development will speed up on the WebOS front. Applications will start to trickle in faster, and things will improve.
The desire to have Android, yet alone a non 3.0 Android, on this thing just seems silly. But whatever, each to his or her own. I for one can appreciate the qualities of WebOS and will keep using it since it is a polished, tablet friendly operating system. After the "oh wow look what I did" factor of having Android 2.X on a tablet wore off, I realized non-Honeycomb Android on a tablet really sucks.
I already have an Android Tablet...it's cool.
I bought this for a cheap price, to have as a "coffee table" device for cruising the net and checking email. Maybe a youtube video once in a while.
AND...when you register the device you still get 50GB of cloud storage through box.net. I'm looking forward to using mine and have no intentions of putting any other OS on it...
I am a huge android fan, but Ill admit that after using the TP for a few days, WebOS is hands down a better tablet OS. Its just so much more structured. Thats why Im looking forward to see what comes out of the Palmdroid project. From my understanding, theyre trying to port the Dalvik VM over to WebOS which will allow android apps to run in "cards".
Been checking this every day for the past week now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230723
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Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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WebOS is dead Install Android 3.2 Honeycomb
Haha no, not at all. This is the worst OS I've ever touched. The OS is overall sluggish and not made for a fluid experience what so ever.
I just had mine fail to download a 30MB System update about 10 or so times.
Browsing the poor apps in the market takes a minute to load each individual apps page.
The pre-installed "apps" are a link to go download it on the market which takes the aforementioned minute load of the page.
The best app would have to be the youtube app that opens up the browser to Youtube.com, absolutely ingenious!
It has. . nothing. On it. I can't even find apps if there were good apps, you can't go to the top of free apps.. there is either top, paid, or free search tabs but not a top free.
Even the browser leaves me yearning for more as I sit there and watch the checkered white boarder all over.
Is anyone else thinking about actually USING WebOS?
Yes, me!
Im running psycho-f15c-kernel-touchpad_3.0.2-41 on my ToychPad at 1.9GHz 100% stable! This thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaast!
Best and fastest Tab ever and WebOS is simply extraordinary... what a loss that that the best Tab EVER is discontinued and the most elegant and accomplished OS for a tablet has been sentenced to death. I have an ipad2 that I really like and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" that I use as my phone running Android 2.3.
Nothing touches WebOS, nothing! And nothing touches the speed of the Touchpad at 1.9Ghz! Ill use and love the Touchpad for as long as I can can, even iwht limited apps and an OS that is frozen in time. What a great loss, this is just so amazingly great! If HP had launched this a year ago and seriousely wanting to make it a success, this would be for sure the ipad killer... my a million miles.. really sad, but happy I have one and that works so well.
Thank guys for making this thing work so well and fast. XDA is the best community on the internet, period!
I just got my touchpad in the mail and have been playing with it for the last couple of hours. Here is my first impression:
wow, webos is pretty impressive. I owned and used iphones, ipads, android phones and tablets extensively and I can say that webos has the simplicity and user friendliness of ios and the multitasking and openness of android. Kind of best of both worlds. If it had the dev support of ios and android, it would certainly be better than ios and a huge competitor to android.
it is such a shame that it is almost dead. HP should have sold these tabs at $250 at launch ($50 below manufacturing cost) just like they do with the consoles and build dev support. Once established, they would make a ton of money off of their app market by selling media and apps just like apple.
introducing this tab at the same price point as the already established and ridiculously popular ipad with no apps and dev support was a quick and sure way to failure.
Such a shame. I really would have liked to see a mature webos platform as a strong competitor.
ps. I am writing this comment on my touchpad 32gb while listening to grooveshark on another browser window. The speakers are pretty loud and have great audio quality. Too bad Hulu just blocked access.
ps2. I really like the usa today app a lot. Nice job with the design and the use of gestures. That is exactly what touchcreen apps should be like
Defiantly liking WebOS alot but until more development takes place atm I will move to android when it surfaces.
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if it were anyone else, id tell them how much apple sucks, and youll have no flash, free stuff, or any options.. but since its for my mom, who only knows the basics of a computer, would something without any options work better? i mean theres only one way to do things on an ipad.
ive never used a tablet before, but own a galaxy s2 and love it.
its my understanding the galaxy tab isnt as good as the s2 tho, and of course it doesnt have the samoled+ screen. i know the galaxy tab has a faster processor, and double the ram of the ipad, but as far as simplicity, or ease of use, screen quality, ect?
can the ipad use google talk video/voice chat?
thoughts and opinions please
i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..
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Even though I am an android fan, Apple products are great for their ease of use.
What about the Amazon Fire? Well spec'd and about the size of a paperback, perfect for getting your folks into using it for reading then gently move on to web browsing etc with it.
Much cheaper than an iphad too.
can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way
ipad is bigger and easier to see for older people
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can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way
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Chap at work has gotten himself a tab and used it so much more he sold his ipad.
Just ignore the specs, it doesn't really work that way.
I mean, you get smoother UI and apps from an iphone than you get from some Android phones that have twice the RAM and a dualcore CPU.
(And the ipad2 has as good a CPU as any Android tablet, and its GPU smokes all of the Android GPUs!)
But yeah, I'd go for ipad or ipad2. Not only is there ease of use, there are also WAY more tablet apps for ipads than for Android tablets.
(I own an Iconia myself)
Your mom will also have a really easy time with buying music and movies if she wants that, and don't forget that other big Apple advantage: Futureproofing.
With an ipad she'll be good for OS upgrades for the next three years.
I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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youre preaching to the choir man, i know all about apple, and how they operate, i totally go off on people who use iphones.. but i realize that they are far more simple, which in most of our cases, is not something you look for, but in the case of something for my mother, who calls me up on the phone every now and then asking me how to save a picture she found on the internet, i dont think open source is really something she use lol..
if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?
Well first off, just because apple puts a lower case "i" in front of it, it doesn't suddenly become a not-a-tablet. iFad ***IS*** a tablet. I wish that people would start calling it more generically (more *appropriately*) as "apple tablet". Every time someone puts an "i" in front of something, it makes me want to BARF.
As far as ease of use goes.... AVOID crippled apple. The only reason it might seem easy to use is because it doesn't actually do anything!
You have other options as far as tablets go...
Have you looked at B&N Nook?
Have you looked at Amazon kindle (the new one that runs android)?
These have simplified UI's, but are still fairly functional tablets. And the nice thing about them (at least the nook, no word yet on the kindle since its so new), is that if she wants a more COMPLETE tablet, you can root and customize. Cyanogenmod 7 runs on nook color!
*** You also save a butt-load of $$. Nook color is $250. I think Kindle is supposed to go for $200.
BOTH run Android.
I own an ipad 2 myself. To be honest I wasted 600$ for it I rarely use it. One thing I realy like about ipad that it runs smooth and there more apps out there for it compared to android tablet but, recently I notice android market is getting a lot better and they are cheaper to buy also it runs flash. So buy what fits your parents preference.
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if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?
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As for the "walled garden" thing, that's not really a bad thing for kids and heh, some older folks. You know what I saw in the Android Market the other day? (And not just hidden away somewhere, it was in the top grossing list)
An app called Peter North Redecorator or something, named after the famous pornstar, where you get to eh.. put semen on a picture from your phones memory. Cute, eh? Maybe not something most people, or their parents would like to get thrown in their face when checking out the top grossing apps? So besides the quality assurance, the whole walled garden has its place.
But yeah, the iPad IS smoother than even my 3.2 tab I hate to say. Browser is just as fast on the iPad, if not faster. Also seems quite a bit more stable.
There's no flash, but there are different apps and browsers that make you play Flash videos or access Flash websites. But pretty much all the sites I've ever visited have a Flash alternative, where they play html5 video instead or something similar, so you won't ever get to miss the Flash.
Another thing to consider: I don't know how your parents use mobile banking and different sites, but there are alot more apps like that for iPad than Android. Meaning: Most of the banks they go to and stores they visit and so on, will have iPad apps, but no Android apps, which might make a difference.
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i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..
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When will people stop going on with generalised crap like this. If your parent can use a computer or a phone they can use pretty much ANY tablet. If they can't Use either it wopuld take them about the same amount of time to learn the BASIC functions of both devices. Stop repeating this crap because you heard it on T.V / Apple press release. Some people make it sound like you need a doctorate in mechanical engineering to operate an android device and a gold star from a kindergarten teacher for an idevice. STOP believing and repeating this crap
For example:
http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-help/25343-cant-get-my-new-ipad-work.html
OH NOES!!!!! LURNINZ CURVEZ TOO HIE HELPZ APPPLEZ DUZZENT JUZT WURK OMG!!!!112111111121111112112 [email protected]@ MURE DAN 5 MINZ OV LURNINGS AND SETUPS!!!21123qy6
Edit: Oh and a usability assessment between the two from a self proclaimed ios user. http://spyrestudios.com/android-vs-ios-a-usability-battle/
And http://www.cravingtech.com/android-vs-ios.html
There now can people please stop talking BS?
As much as it pains me to say this, I hate Apple, but if you're buying for your parent/grandparent, get them an apple product. The reason I say that is because they're far more user friendly than anything else out there.
I will say this.. I hate Apple products because of how locked down it is, but I work technical support over the phone and Apple products are the easiest to work with, hence why I say get them an Ipad.
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I think I too love android. so I will Tablet.
I was going to get the Thinkpad Tablet for my Dad, however I think it would be better off holding it off until next year when Windows 8 tablet comes. A proper OS is much better than a mobile OS IMO.
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I am incapable of reading one post above me or supplying evidence for my general rehashed marketing statement. But I know ipads are easy to use cause thats what apple say. One day I will attend the university that all those 5 year olds who know how to use android devices must have attended.
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I wouldn't even recommend a tablet. They are a luxury not a tool.
I love Android. I've been using it for two years now on five different devices and I've been able to watch it grow out of the awkward Gingerbread "teenager" stage into an amazing OS in ICS/Jelly Bean.
But, recently, I bought an iPad. It wasn't my first choice. I actually bought a Nexus 10 first but due to horrible backlight bleed issues and general boredom in the OS (I found Android to be much more uninteresting on the 10 than on my Nexus 4 and 7 for some reason) I returned it and eventually settled upon the iPad. And I'm not going to lie...I absolutely love it. It's ridiculously fast, fluid, sexy, and the screen is calibrated better than that of the Nexus 10. Sure, the homescreen is boring, but I've found I spend little to no time on the homescreen whereas I do much more on my Nexus 4 and 7.
Then my mom bought an iPhone 5. And so the story progresses. I've been playing with it a lot recently. The screen is pretty good, it's as fast as my iPad, the external speakers are perfection, and the general feel of the device is premium. At first I was bothered with the screen size (I still find it awkward in landscape), but I've grown used to it and actually found myself sort of liking the smallness of it (which is something I've always hated in iPhones). After all, I have my iPad for a larger screen.
And now, lastly, I'm getting a Mac pretty soon. I've always loved OS X. That really isn't anything new, to be honest. I'm not a huge fan of Windows and find it to be clunky and bloated after a few months of usage (after a year, none of my Windows computers have been as functional as they were when I first purchased them). So I'm selling my Windows laptop and buying a Mac Mini, something I'm really excited about. And the idea of pure integration between my computer, tablet, and phone sounds...well...mesmerizing. Fascinating. All of those types of adjectives.
So here I am on XDA, hounding around the Galaxy S4 forums, thinking "Well, this phone looks great, but what if I bought an iPhone?" And the fact that I'm thinking that terrifies the geek in me. For the last two years you would be hard pressed to find a bigger Android fanboy than myself. And now I'm considering having all Apple devices (except for the iPad Mini; clearly the Nexus 7 is superior to that overpriced and under-speced junk). Is there anyone here who can persuade me to stick around with Android? Maybe buy a Galaxy device (I have found AOSP to be pretty boring, lately)? I honestly don't really know. But I have an upgrade, and the last thing I want to do is waste it. I'm not a huge fan of shelling out $600 every time I want a new phone and can't upgrade. Anyway, if anyone can help me with this decision, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
MissionImprobable said:
My only big thoughts:
1) If you think the iPhone 5 speaker--singular, not plural--is great you must spend the majority of your time in a sound-amplifying box
2) On the OS front, to each his own, but I find Mac OS to be ridiculously quirky.
Honestly, there aren't any phones that that amaze me. For one, I hate the lack of QWERTY devices. Secondly, it's as if every company intentionally falls short with two or three major points on their flagships as if they couldn't comprehend that they're lacking.
I'm not sure how much fun a geek is going to have going the the Apple darkside, but whatever works.
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I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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It's your life and your money - wear only Ed Hardy and drink only TAB, anyone who really cares doesn't have much of their own to care about.
I had a Macbook for a few years and I didn't die.
I've been really unimpressed with Apple's products lately. iOS just feels horribly dated to me and the synching wasn't that amazing from what I experienced - I can do better on Android these days though I bet Apple has caught up.
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jtc276 said:
I believe the iPhone 5 has two speakers. Or at least it looks like it does. And, of course, the sound isn't amazing. But for a phone it's very, very good.
I'm personally not a fan of QWERTY phones, but I don't understand why many aren't made anymore considering there definitely is a market for them.
And that's also a problem. I really like romming, hacking, etc.
I honestly think I'm just going to end up going with the S4. I feel like I'd love the iPhone and the integration for a month or so and eventually end up getting bored and hating it. Integration between my computer (the Mac Mini) an iPad should be enough. But I'll probably continue to play with my mom's iPhone. It's still a pretty interesting device and I find it to be very well built and fluid.
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I can tell you this. I have an iPhone5 that was provided to me by my work. It was great at first. I went from from an Iphone 3g to Android and thought I would never turn back. After my Evo 3d I've grown to loath my Evo3d and couldn't wait for the S4.
With this said after about two weeks of using the iPhone I have grown bored and annoyed with the device. Since it is a work phone I am not allowed to jailbreak or do anything "illegal" with it. I prefer to have a nice clean desktop and quick launches that I have grown use to on my EVO3d. With that said after the beauty of the iPhone 5 (and I'm not taking anything away from it), I have come running back with a new appreciation for the Android device. I still hate my Evo3d, but I don't take it for granted for what I can do on the device. Even if I were to jailbreak the iPhone5, the one thing that wouldn't change is that I would still be limited to the same OS with its basic limitations. Even with Winterboard the device wouldn't be able to do 50% of what my outdated Evo can do.
This is just my opinion and feelings but as a daily use I would hate it. Since I only need to check emails and use it for a few work items I can deal with the iPhone.
U ll be bored from ios in 2 months...haha u can't customize it like android...ios doesnt has freedom like android...it looks faster than android because of real time priority...and android has normal priority...nothing else
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Owned the 1st iPhone and a 3GS. Both unlocked and JB'ed. Then made the jump and moved to a Galaxy S2.
I couldn't go back. There are just too many limitations and restrictions. Some of the most simple processes on android are a task on the iPhone.
Everything requires hoops and leaps compared to Android, unless you don't mind doing it Apples way. I HATED itunes. Simply throwing some mp3's on an sd card and putting it in my android phone was pathetically liberating after years with an iPhone.
If you just want to use twitter, facebook, send emails, and download some games, then you'll be fine.
But everything is proprietary and what you see is what you get.
IOS looks great and the build quality on the 5 is fantastic, but, that will get overshadowed in time imo. I strongly believe cosmetics are half the reason people own the iPhone. It screams quality, but personally, the limited and restricted functionality sticks out to me much more.
That's my .02.
Yeah I agree with u 100%
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I don't think I could do a Macbook again because I'd need to dual-boot Windows to get half the things I want to work. At least Linux has a strong community that's invested in creative solutions (don't have native Netflix ? That's okay, we found a way!) and it can be taken as an environment that forces you to learn - I did not get that spirit from Mac, it was much like Windows but with more limited software and a different GUI.
I do harbour a special hate for the Mac GUI. It just looks so "1980s" to me, it looks like what I'd expect from a new and still developing technology - which made it awesome back when it first came out but it needs to move on.
I built my own Windows computer for $500 and am very pleased that it can play the video games I want very well - and if anything breaks I can repair it myself and I can upgrade components as I choose - it will grow with me for years. No, I wasn't thrilled about Windows but I've had this thing for almost a year it's doing fine.
I don't hate Mac, I really don't - if they start thinking differently I'd consider them again.
If you want to carry something and relax go to apple... But for me I like missing up and with andriod you are always able to discover something new.. Its more exiting
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