After much deliberation on which tablet i would get, investigationg specs and options only, I went with the TF101 over the ipad 2. Whilst the transformer is an impressive beast is it really ready for the market considering the widespread lack of support compared to iOS?
As an avid gamer I am less than thrilled with the options available in these terms. I'm still in two minds on whether I get an iPad.
Can anyone make me feel better about my purchase?
I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games. Seriously , go get an ipad and stop whining. It has only been a few months since the andriod tablet came out.
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I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games. Seriously , go get an ipad and stop whining. It has only been a few months since the andriod tablet came out.
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Thanks for your constructive comments. I was hoping to instigate some constructive discussion on developments and areas of improvement but your well ellocuted and educated comments will do.
Anyone else?
well I believe that Apple will always have a huge chunk of market share, as they do in the PC market, although I think Honeycomb needs simpler, and less geeky advertisements for it to be accepted by the average consumer. When you are asked by someone what your joyously typing away on, do they ask if its the Asus EEE Pad Transformer? Or do they often ask "is that an iPad?". Even when you tell them its your Transformer they still have no clue what it is. They need to expand the exposure of these tablets if Honeycomb, or Ice Cream Sandwich is to be successful. Its the same thing as nobody says "do you want to get fast food?" nearly as often as "wanna get mcdonalds?". People don't go into walmart very often asking for an Asus Transformer, they do go in to get an iPad though.
Ipads have a huge head start first and second exeyone thinks as a ipad as a toy and the android tablets are not really as they need more time to catch up. I honeycomb is easy to use as I have friends and family pick it up and start using it right away they all think it's cooler than the Ipads and a few people I know to Ipads even are jealous with what this thing can do
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The way I see it is that Honeycomb is just the first step on where Android is leading too. It is more like a 'beta' product.
I wouldnt be too worried about support, just like mobile it will soon grow through the time. Especially when Ice Cream Sandwich comes which will allegedly improve app compatibility between devices which should be easier for developers.
Honeycomb isnt treated as an OS on its own like that it will be forgotten and lose support, it is a specific build of Android that will be improving continuously. Things can only get better, not worse.
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I really don't know what's so fun with those silly ipad games.
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You must not be a gamer. The iPad has some console quality games that Android tablet users wish they had.
check out the upcoming game Warm Gun... Coming to pc and iOS.
Thanks everyone. Its hard not to recognise that this is a kickn product, cant wait for it to be better supported though. If I could just get order and chaos online working id be happy to wait for anything else. Well maybe modern combat also
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You must not be a gamer. The iPad has some console quality games that Android tablet users wish they had.
check out the upcoming game Warm Gun... Coming to pc and iOS.
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That ain't a console quality game. That's an iPad quality game that also happens to be on the PC.
The iPad 2 is still only about the speed of a netbook. High-powered games like Deus Ex 3 isn't gonna be on the iPad anytime soon, unless it's a side scroller.
If you're serious about gaming, get a cheap AMD A6 or A8 laptop instead, for roughly the price of an iPad (or less). Load up Steam, and you have all the game genres at your fingertips.
I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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Shame on you for pirating apps.
Shaquiel Harris said:
Shame on you for pirating apps.
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+1
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I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.
Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.
TF FTW!
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complain about no apps on your tablet
talk about pirating them in the same post
+1 against piracy. such activity would just prevent devs from developing apps.
to OP. the IOS didn't have tablet-ready apps when it first launched. had it been dismissed as a "dying animal" at that time would have prevented your the app-selection you're touting about now from being developed.
same goes for the andiod, or any other OSs.
btw: check out dungeon defenders to see what type of games the TF/honeycomb is capable of. still not convinced? get an ipad and be happy that way.
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Get yongzhs emulators. U don't need anymore games.
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I already have an iPhone4 so I ultimately have no use for a iPad or iPad2 since everything they can run I have on my phone. This is why I got my transformer. Different OS for different apps, and the keyboard dock makes it a perfect netbook replacement. Sadly though Honeycomb itself I believe is just a test bed. It's only a matter of months till ICS 4.0 is released and apps switch from being written mostly for 2.x to 4.x skipping the small tablet world of Honeycomb that lots of devs are ignoring. This is why I plan on selling the TF and getting the TF2 with the new quad core CPU once it comes out late this year.
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I already have an iPhone4 so I ultimately have no use for a iPad or iPad2 since everything they can run I have on my phone. This is why I got my transformer. Different OS for different apps, and the keyboard dock makes it a perfect netbook replacement. Sadly though Honeycomb itself I believe is just a test bed. It's only a matter of months till ICS 4.0 is released and apps switch from being written mostly for 2.x to 4.x skipping the small tablet world of Honeycomb that lots of devs are ignoring. This is why I plan on selling the TF and getting the TF2 with the new quad core CPU once it comes out late this year.
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It really all depends on what u use it for. Netbook at home, netbook in class, some random browsing, has scriptures and hymns for church, plays n64 great with hdmi for the big screen. Its perfectly find for what I use it for... for now I guess. Who knows what'll come out later.
U say the jump from os 2 to 4. What about a jump from 3 to 5, or 6? I think it'll be a little while before android disappears.
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I feel that tablet support will get far better in the next few months once ICS is released. The only reason the iPad has such great app support is because is it essential a giant sized iPhone, almost all apps that work on the iPhone work on the iPad in some shape or form (most of them are zoomed/stretched, which is supported in HC 3.2). As someone else mentioned Honeycomb is more of a test bed for Android, it's Google's first foray into a tablet based OS and with the first generation of anything, stuff is always sub-optimal.
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When you are asked by someone what your joyously typing away on, do they ask if its the Asus EEE Pad Transformer? Or do they often ask "is that an iPad?". Even when you tell them its your Transformer they still have no clue what it is.
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EXACTLY! When I first got mine and showed it off to a bunch of tech-oriented people at my computer lab job and in my IT classes, that's the first thing they say!
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Shame on you for pirating apps.
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No, shame on Google for limiting the refund time to 15 minutes, which makes users turn to piracy to test out games/apps. Think about this for a minute: lets say you buy a game on your TF like Galaxy on Fire 2 that requires you to download additional content that could take up to 20 minutes to download and costs about $12. Once everything is downloaded, you start playing the game and you don't like it for some reason because either its glitchy, the controls suck, etc... if the return window was 24 hours like it used to be you could simply return the game and get your $12 back, but now you're screwed and have a game that you will never play again and you're out $12. Repeat this cycle a few times and you could be out a nice chunk of change, the more extreme option of this would be the buyer gets pissed and never buys another app again for the fear that they will get screwed the same way again.
****ty practices on the sellers end create the need for piracy, most people don't do it simply because they're cheap. Are PS3 and XBOX360 games really worth $60? If you buy 7 games, that's more than the price of both consoles and the price of a low-mid range computer!
Is it easier and really worth it to drive to a movie theater (which could be 20 minutes away), wait in line for anywhere from 5-60 minutes, pay $11-13 for a single ticket (which used to be $5 10-15 years ago for the same quality movie at the same theater), spend about the same amount on soda/popcorn/snacks, hopefully find at least two seats together (depending on how many people you're with), watch 20 minutes of previews, deal with assholes in the theater talking loudly (possibly on their cellphones) or throwing popcorn, having to perfectly choose when to go to the bathroom so you don't miss anything, finally watch the movie (which ended up sucking big time), filing out of the theater, and finally driving home while wondering why you actually wanted to go in the first place.
Or just simply pirate a half-decent copy a few days after the movie is released and watch it in the privacy of your own home where you have all the food you want and you can pause the movie to go take a piss whenever you want, all without spending a dime to watch it (excluding all the necessary stuff needed to obtain that pirated copy). If the movie was good, buy a copy of it when it comes out on DVD in a few months. If it sucked you just saved yourself a lot of time and money.
See what I mean?
LOL! Hypocrites.
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After much deliberation on which tablet i would get, investigationg specs and options only, I went with the TF101 over the ipad 2. Whilst the transformer is an impressive beast is it really ready for the market considering the widespread lack of support compared to iOS?
As an avid gamer I am less than thrilled with the options available in these terms. I'm still in two minds on whether I get an iPad.
Can anyone make me feel better about my purchase?
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If you've come on here just to ask about how much fun Android is to use over boring IOS in day to day use then there's your answer.
If your such an avid gamer why buy either? you could buy both an xbox and a playstation for the same money as a transformer
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hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..
okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)
I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.
thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..
Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.
I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
okantomi said:
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..
Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?
hammer4203 said:
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..
I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..
None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.
if it were anyone else, id tell them how much apple sucks, and youll have no flash, free stuff, or any options.. but since its for my mom, who only knows the basics of a computer, would something without any options work better? i mean theres only one way to do things on an ipad.
ive never used a tablet before, but own a galaxy s2 and love it.
its my understanding the galaxy tab isnt as good as the s2 tho, and of course it doesnt have the samoled+ screen. i know the galaxy tab has a faster processor, and double the ram of the ipad, but as far as simplicity, or ease of use, screen quality, ect?
can the ipad use google talk video/voice chat?
thoughts and opinions please
i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..
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Even though I am an android fan, Apple products are great for their ease of use.
What about the Amazon Fire? Well spec'd and about the size of a paperback, perfect for getting your folks into using it for reading then gently move on to web browsing etc with it.
Much cheaper than an iphad too.
can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way
ipad is bigger and easier to see for older people
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can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way
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Chap at work has gotten himself a tab and used it so much more he sold his ipad.
Just ignore the specs, it doesn't really work that way.
I mean, you get smoother UI and apps from an iphone than you get from some Android phones that have twice the RAM and a dualcore CPU.
(And the ipad2 has as good a CPU as any Android tablet, and its GPU smokes all of the Android GPUs!)
But yeah, I'd go for ipad or ipad2. Not only is there ease of use, there are also WAY more tablet apps for ipads than for Android tablets.
(I own an Iconia myself)
Your mom will also have a really easy time with buying music and movies if she wants that, and don't forget that other big Apple advantage: Futureproofing.
With an ipad she'll be good for OS upgrades for the next three years.
I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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youre preaching to the choir man, i know all about apple, and how they operate, i totally go off on people who use iphones.. but i realize that they are far more simple, which in most of our cases, is not something you look for, but in the case of something for my mother, who calls me up on the phone every now and then asking me how to save a picture she found on the internet, i dont think open source is really something she use lol..
if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?
Well first off, just because apple puts a lower case "i" in front of it, it doesn't suddenly become a not-a-tablet. iFad ***IS*** a tablet. I wish that people would start calling it more generically (more *appropriately*) as "apple tablet". Every time someone puts an "i" in front of something, it makes me want to BARF.
As far as ease of use goes.... AVOID crippled apple. The only reason it might seem easy to use is because it doesn't actually do anything!
You have other options as far as tablets go...
Have you looked at B&N Nook?
Have you looked at Amazon kindle (the new one that runs android)?
These have simplified UI's, but are still fairly functional tablets. And the nice thing about them (at least the nook, no word yet on the kindle since its so new), is that if she wants a more COMPLETE tablet, you can root and customize. Cyanogenmod 7 runs on nook color!
*** You also save a butt-load of $$. Nook color is $250. I think Kindle is supposed to go for $200.
BOTH run Android.
I own an ipad 2 myself. To be honest I wasted 600$ for it I rarely use it. One thing I realy like about ipad that it runs smooth and there more apps out there for it compared to android tablet but, recently I notice android market is getting a lot better and they are cheaper to buy also it runs flash. So buy what fits your parents preference.
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if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?
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As for the "walled garden" thing, that's not really a bad thing for kids and heh, some older folks. You know what I saw in the Android Market the other day? (And not just hidden away somewhere, it was in the top grossing list)
An app called Peter North Redecorator or something, named after the famous pornstar, where you get to eh.. put semen on a picture from your phones memory. Cute, eh? Maybe not something most people, or their parents would like to get thrown in their face when checking out the top grossing apps? So besides the quality assurance, the whole walled garden has its place.
But yeah, the iPad IS smoother than even my 3.2 tab I hate to say. Browser is just as fast on the iPad, if not faster. Also seems quite a bit more stable.
There's no flash, but there are different apps and browsers that make you play Flash videos or access Flash websites. But pretty much all the sites I've ever visited have a Flash alternative, where they play html5 video instead or something similar, so you won't ever get to miss the Flash.
Another thing to consider: I don't know how your parents use mobile banking and different sites, but there are alot more apps like that for iPad than Android. Meaning: Most of the banks they go to and stores they visit and so on, will have iPad apps, but no Android apps, which might make a difference.
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i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..
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When will people stop going on with generalised crap like this. If your parent can use a computer or a phone they can use pretty much ANY tablet. If they can't Use either it wopuld take them about the same amount of time to learn the BASIC functions of both devices. Stop repeating this crap because you heard it on T.V / Apple press release. Some people make it sound like you need a doctorate in mechanical engineering to operate an android device and a gold star from a kindergarten teacher for an idevice. STOP believing and repeating this crap
For example:
http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-help/25343-cant-get-my-new-ipad-work.html
OH NOES!!!!! LURNINZ CURVEZ TOO HIE HELPZ APPPLEZ DUZZENT JUZT WURK OMG!!!!112111111121111112112 [email protected]@ MURE DAN 5 MINZ OV LURNINGS AND SETUPS!!!21123qy6
Edit: Oh and a usability assessment between the two from a self proclaimed ios user. http://spyrestudios.com/android-vs-ios-a-usability-battle/
And http://www.cravingtech.com/android-vs-ios.html
There now can people please stop talking BS?
As much as it pains me to say this, I hate Apple, but if you're buying for your parent/grandparent, get them an apple product. The reason I say that is because they're far more user friendly than anything else out there.
I will say this.. I hate Apple products because of how locked down it is, but I work technical support over the phone and Apple products are the easiest to work with, hence why I say get them an Ipad.
*curls up in a corner and cries*
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I think I too love android. so I will Tablet.
I was going to get the Thinkpad Tablet for my Dad, however I think it would be better off holding it off until next year when Windows 8 tablet comes. A proper OS is much better than a mobile OS IMO.
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I am incapable of reading one post above me or supplying evidence for my general rehashed marketing statement. But I know ipads are easy to use cause thats what apple say. One day I will attend the university that all those 5 year olds who know how to use android devices must have attended.
*curls up in a corner and cries*
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10 chars......
I wouldn't even recommend a tablet. They are a luxury not a tool.
One of Androids larger problems, and I know this is something Google say they have improved in ICS, it just isn't an entertaining OS to use day to day.. Don't get me wrong I love my Transformer but actually interacting with it has become a bit meh. Since installing Miui, CM or even a hacked port of Sense isn't on the cards does anyone have any suggestions on how to breath new life into the tablet?
Thanks.
Well when I.C.S arrives, you will be able to use custom Roms firstly in the form of CM9.
http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...t/10226-cyanogenmod-9-coming-transformer.html
This will pave the way for MIUI, and beyond.
The life of the Transformer is only just beginning.
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Entertaining! What do you want it to do? A little dance for you? Its an OS not a TV show!
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Give it a factory reset, delete your titanium backups and get to work!
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Write your own tablet operating system for it, and design the UI you want. See you in thirty years.
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Write your own tablet operating system for it, and design the UI you want. See you in thirty years.
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.... OUCH..... lol
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Write your own tablet operating system for it, and design the UI you want. See you in thirty years.
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No need to be so harsh. I'm sure we all think this at certain moments
Get involved more in Android. Maybe take up java as a hobby and create your own apps, or make your own themes. You can also try setting up and designing different layouts (like Hubs). Every OS gets boring if you just use it on a basic level. Start customizing it and it will get a whole lot better. And like buzzboy said, once we get a ICS port (hopefully someone is working on this already) and CM9, we will have a lot more customization. Unless every hops on the Prime wagon, which I hope doesn't happen until I pick it up
I try to change my phone and tablet's layout almost every week just to always have a refreshed experience.
My apologies if the OP finds that harsh as well, didn't really mean it that way. But I've gotta admit, give or take the headaches it'd keep a TF from being dull for a long time lol.
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Paint "Don't Panic" on the bezel and start reading the entire wiki.
Damn...good thing you didn't get an iPad...but then again...the iPad does have jiggling icons.
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One of Androids larger problems, and I know this is something Google say they have improved in ICS, it just isn't an entertaining OS to use day to day.. Don't get me wrong I love my Transformer but actually interacting with it has become a bit meh. Since installing Miui, CM or even a hacked port of Sense isn't on the cards does anyone have any suggestions on how to breath new life into the tablet?
Thanks.
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Sell it and get an iPad.
some bored kid that doesnt appricate what it has taken to bring this
into the world.. try going back to 286 tech and see how bored you would be..
jezzz.. flash a rom one of the great roms that the developers have got for you..
then tweck it like it hasnt never been tweaked then come back and show us your startling results..
even better.. work on multi tasking for android then bring it to the masses..
this will save you from boredom ..
or going off topic.. you could try this way..
lol.. its a bit like the way i treat my women..
once i get bored.. trade them in..
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Uhm, well, I don't know what you expected. A Playstation/XBox? A desktop replacement that lasts a lot of hours?
An Android tablet is, at least to me, more of a time saver and productivity improver than a time filler. I use it to check news/mails/feeds/.. write some articles, create office elements and, in my spare time, I do play aswell some games. But thats the rare case.
So, if you don't have anything to do with yours, I'd recommend selling it and investing into something that fits you.
wow op is an idiot. i wonder if he sits there and yells at his tablet
"do something you boring tablet, dance , dance dance"
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I don't think we need to be that mean to the OP....yeash lol.
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Uhm, well, I don't know what you expected. A Playstation/XBox? A desktop replacement that lasts a lot of hours?
An Android tablet is, at least to me, more of a time saver and productivity improver than a time filler. I use it to check news/mails/feeds/.. write some articles, create office elements and, in my spare time, I do play aswell some games. But thats the rare case.
So, if you don't have anything to do with yours, I'd recommend selling it and investing into something that fits you.
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For my two cents: I find that Android tablets should be utilized and marketed for what netbooks were marketed for, hence the net; but in reality a netbook is just a budget laptop in a form factor that used to cost *a lot* more than a normal laptop. The difference is you're trading a PC optimized OS for a Mobile Phone optimized one.
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This is what happens when you buy a tablet as a toy. Plenty of people seem to get off on installing programs and customizing their computers and other tech gadgets --almost like how lots of people work endlessly on their cars but don't actually give a crap about driving them.
I prefer to drive...and to use my gadgets as tools.
dont think its the tablet thats dull, more the content on the tablet. look for some new games and apps to play with.
or go out!
Oh I didn't buy it as a toy its my companion device and a damn good one at that. All I meant was that in its current state the UI isn't as gratifying to use over time as say Sense UI Miui or dare I say the ill fated webOS products.
And ladies and gents is it really necessary to throw around insults because I criticised the UI on a product I own and quite like? I am not criticising you or your choice of purchase by saying the Transformer is less than perfect. Lets act like adults here shall we?
Putting that way..then i agree with the OP..
Different framing of the topic might have been in order..
As said in another thread..I am only missing multitasking in that windows or tabs..
An example if a perfect day with my Tranny..
6.45am wakeup check emails transfer the movies,shows and books for trip
12pm 1st plane..movie
Stopover..check emails..have a chat with family via Skype..
2.30pm 2nd plane.. movie..bit if a read of a Pdf..
5.30- hotpot dinner with staff.. a bit of a flick thru of customer case studies setup as frames.. wow factor
9pm.. back to hotel..plug in hdmi watch a bit Hawaii5o..
11pm finish..
A big day with me and my tranny travelling for work around China..
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Try Onlive. Been keeping me busy lately. Love Warhammer. Nothing like running desktop games on my Transformer.
NOTE: If you are looking to troll, insult the intelligence of users of any platform, or flame in any way, then you are in the wrong thread.
To understand why "true" Android tablets (read as tablets besides the Fire) are struggling to gain market share, one must first consider why the iPad, and the Kindle to some extent, has been so successful, and why people choose to use a tablet instead of a laptop in the first place. It has nothing to do with specs. It has to do with three simple words: "Ease of use."
With little effort or thinking required, anyone can pick up an iPad without it being headache inducing or bad for your blood pressure. A good example is Netflix. I don't even want to start the Netflix app on the Transformer Prime. It is painfully slow and non-responsive. On the iPad, the Netflix app with the same exact layout is as smooth as butter and arguably one of the best ways to consume Netflix content. No constantly having to glance at the battery, no rampaging through forums trying to find out why your device is constantly rebooting. It is just you and your tablet having a relaxing, intimate experience.
Unless the Android tablet makers straighten out the reboots, the app issues, the wifi issues, etc before worrying about specs, then Android on tablets is destined to go the way of the Zune.
in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
The biggest problem with Android tablets is shoddy,poorly optimized software and lack of apps. Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS(ICS better than Honeycomb but still nowhere close to iPad), which really degrades the user experience. There is also a severe lack of tablet specific apps, and certain apps run fine on one tablet,but not another even though the hardware is identical. The only way Android tabs can compete is on price, which is why Kindle Fire was able to gain traction. No one I their right mind will pay the same price for an Android tablet that will be obsolete in a few months, and may not receive OS updates. Google really dropped the ball by making Honeycomb such a steaming pile of dung and launching overpriced junk like the Xoom to take on iPad 2, horrible first impression to say the least.
As said above me, the problem is indeed the lack of apps and optimizations for the tablet with both size and hardware specs.
The only reason for that, is that Android 3 was rebuilt from scratch, iOS, which was old and popular already, was simple "streched" over the screen of the iPad. Even the hardware is the same.
Google didn't release the zoom Motorola did. As for honeycomb vs ios, ios is for all purposes the same exact operating system released on the first iPhone. The advancements have been few and far between, and always behind the time. Google actually changed everything, yes some of it did not come out perfect, but honeycomb is a unique ui from gingerbread, froyo, etc. I have some issues with my honeycomb tablet but the limitations of ios out weigh my issue with honeycomb. The ipad is a great product with an offensively boring operating system
Netfilx runs on my tablet with out any lag whats so ever, and I experience no reboots unless I am pushing it with over clocking and what not. Apple makes a one size firts all product. One screen size, one processor, one clock speed, one os, one ui. Most people who complain about android made a poor choice of the device they purchased, then blame the operating system for the performance. With Apple there is one tablet.
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You are definitely right. The downside about Android is not the actual software but in a way how many devices and manufacturers there are. With So many Android devices coming out every other week, it would be almost impossible for Google to be able to take their software and mod it to every new device. With Apple they have one tablet and are able to focus on making things work perfectly on that one device, no other device specs to throw in.
The iPad sells because it is made by Apple and their customers are very loyal to the brand. Developers for the iPad only have 1 (or 2 if you count the 1st gen iPad) device to test on, so there should be no problems. Android app developers have many different devices which means there is a greater chance for issues, but this is not Google's fault or even the tablet maker's fault, it's the app developer.
Android has had quite a few updates in the last few years, both UI and Linux kernel. iOS on the other hand still looks like 2007 with some newer apps included. The tablet versions of Android are still pretty young. Even if the ratio of Android tablets to phones doesn't take off, getting everyone on ICS should help out stability of tablet apps.
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in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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So you're in a small minority of people who want to waste their cash on a barely functional device running junky software. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would take an iPad over an Android tablet unless it's much cheaper with a comparable ecosystem ala Kindle Fire.
I don't see the Android tablets ever surpassing the iPad. In the tablet market, the "just working" is even more of a powerful concept than the phones since tablets are generally an extra expense.
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I think the real problem is that people don't want tablets, they want an Ipad. I have never been sold on the tablet craze. My screen is 4.5 inches, why would I need more? I truly believe that this is why Apple keeps the Iphone so small, to almost make a tablet a necessity.
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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My apologies for the bickering, although I do not agree with the premise I respect your position. I have a company iPhone and purchased an android tablet as I prefer the platform. I have a htc flyer and for half the price like it more than my wives iPad. In the end that is just me though
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Tablet market is not the same as the phone market. The reason Android gained traction is because carriers needed something to combat the iPhone and it was the best alternative at the time. Android gained market share because carriers embraced it since it put them back in the driver's seat, they could take out features,install loads of crapware and modify the OS to their heart's content. The majority of Android phones sold aren't premium handsets, but low to midrange phones of the BOGO or free with contract variety. Meanwhile tablets are typically not bought with a contract and wifi models are far more popular, which cuts the carriers out of the loop. This puts vendors in a precarious position,because they can't rely on carrier subsidies and can't compete with Apple on price due to their purchasing power. Trying to push an Android tablet at $500+ is an automatic fail because there aren't enough Apple haters or hardcore geeks who are pretty much your only market at that price point. The fact that W8 is also looming on the horizon and looks to be a much better tablet OS than anything that Google is bringing to the table doesn't help either.
More and more Android tablet makers are getting it right, starting now, just the way Google is getting the Android experience to match up to the iOS experience. It is true iOS was light years ahead in terms of beauty, simplicity, ease of use, performance etc - but Google (with Android) and many of the tablet makers (Samsung, Amazon, and now even the ODMs/OEMs in rest of the world) are catching up in terms of the OS experience - ICS is quite simply amazing, and one can't say it is horrible compared to iOS, even if one loves iOS.
The reason why many people complained about Android, rightly so, is caused by the fact that Android didn't dictate what hardware it must be run on, allowing manufacturers to make compromises/mistakes on the hardware (processor, memory, display etc) whereas Apple ensured the hardware is just as good as the OS, and even more than that Apple knew the internals of iOS and its processor/hardware really well from before, and could ensure the best optimized experience. With more manufacturers learning more about Android now - they are becoming more sophisticated in their engineering - and the Android experience will continue to flourish. And not just Google's own flavor of Android, but fork-offs like those of Amazon (and maybe others like Samsung?) may result in even more special things!
Its certainly an exciting time for Android, and in general, consumer electronics. As coders, I hope we all can add to this and bring great products to life!
As an avid android phone user, as well as a android tablet user, after comparing it with an iPad, my only gripe with my android tablet is the lack of productivity applications.
I can't seem to find one that fits my needs well enough. Most productivity apps (e.g. note taking, office applications) seems to be subpar and not a worthy laptop replacement. I haven't found a worthy office application on the iPad either. However, for note taking with a capacitive pen, iPad do have applications that performs pretty well, and those are mighty useful from the feel of it. This is my biggest gripe about the android tablet. This is coming from a university student, and of course it is probably less related to business based in terms of note taking.
Productivity aside, I love using my android tablet to watch shows, moboplayer is simply one good media player that is really convenient, unlike the iOS. As for games, there are hardly any games worth playing on the mobile platform. If I wanted proper games, I'd pick up my DS or PSP along the way rather than playing some half assed game on iOS or Android. This is my personal opinion of mobile platform gaming, most of the games are largely boring, that being said, there are some A grade games being ported off PC indie games that are worth playing on the mobile platform. Other than that, the general population of games arn't exactly worth playing.
I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
one thing to note, tablets are not laptops.
I noticed this though. I had the Transformer Prime and no laptop before. I would use the prime for everything!!! Now i bought a laptop and i use the tablet half the time now. And the only thing i do on the computer is download music and use the web. Im actually on my computer now. And the docking station, i never use it anymore. Its sort of strange to find the purpose for the devices. Checking email and quick web browsing/facebook is really fast on the tablet. That and media, but for the laptop i think i just like the bigger keyboard...
If you only intend to use your tablet as a media consumption device then I highly recommend a different product. I love my Infinity and previously my TF101 as it is my laptop replacement. But if not for the productivity side of things, I would have gotten a smaller Samsung or now the Nexus 7. I would avoid the Amazon Kindle Fire as it is just a poor attempt to restrict Android (pre-root of course).
Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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You will be just down grading yourself down to a smaller vechicle. But hey whatever floats your boat.
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I'd avoid the surface for now. Its rather bipolar at the moment, its clear that the desktop and metro environments were not made to play nice with each other. Metro also hasnt proven itself yet, it'll get some app support initially due to ties with Windows but in the long run its not clear at all that it'll do well. In fact, given the reputation of WP7, I'd be shocked if it did anything but completely flop.
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I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
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With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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MartyHulskemper said:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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MartyHulskemper said:
Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
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That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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Also, enjoy them fart apps, for they are large and they are numerous.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version.
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Use Chrome. Select request desktop version under settings if it pushes you into mobile site. It's not automated (though I expect it will be with the next few versions of chrome as this is a nexus 7 issue).
My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out.
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Yes, but with the google nexus 7 coming out and doing well, the android market will catch up and android is just better from an iOS perspective (can do flash, can run ad blockers more easily, can drag and drop content, can decode almost any media file, etc.).
And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
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So use an e-ink reader to read. LCD's can't match e-ink contrast ratios. And SAMOLED Screens have their problems in that Samsung is making Pentile Screens their mass market screen because of durability issues.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie.
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And you would be able to carry around like 3 movies if you got the 8gb version.
They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works.
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Ok, lol? I use a TF201 case and it works fine. This thing just came out ...
The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
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The nexus has 8/16gb. If you want to constantly delete and refill all of it over usb 2.0, be my guess.
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
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Surface is a joke as is windows 8. No i5/i7 chip can match tegra/qualcomm chips in battery life and thermal properties. Yes, it'll be way faster, but the battery life will be terrible and the devices will be bulky.
If you want a laptop get a laptop. I use mine for more intensive purposes/gaming. However, even a laptop is too big for a lot of the things I use my infinity for (taking notes, reading, watching movies in bed).
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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Windows 8 is pure hype. Core PC Users hate it for offering no new features to them as long-time users. Tablet users are still mostly ipad users that won't put up with the hoops Microsoft makes you jump or the terrible app store. There is a market for windows tablets and I think 99% of it is graphics professionals that need touch in order to interact with their objects. I would rather have a dedicated laptop that gets the job done and a dedicated tablet that is light with good battery life than use a Windows Tablet.
There's something different and more personal to me about consuming The Internets on a tablet, and that's why I love them and spend time on XDA. I don't see the dock on Transformers as a conversion to a laptop, it just makes the occasional heavy text input convenient. The dock is an extended battery in my eyes. So I agree with the above that it's about your expectations or need.
I also agree the Surface might be a total non-starter. On one hand, if it's just a Windows tablet, it will be overpriced and hindered compared to a real laptop. If its the gimped Windows version why should the app experience be any better than Android? It's not any good on Windows phone.
Apples AppStore is inarguably better than any other if you've actually used their device, but there's plenty of good reasons to prefer Android. Google, freedom (usually..see locked bootloader) and for me, incredible integration and sharing between apps. Plus your Infinity has one of the best mobile screens yet created. If you're mainly browsing, watching video and messaging it's hard to argue a laptop is more useful.
That said, damn the Nexus is good. Asus needs to release Jelly Bean immediately.
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I do not have a definitive answer on this, since the latest version of BS Player just crashes on me continuously, and I didn't lke the interface somehow. I like vPlayer's interface best, but that doesn't do hardware decoding.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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I am not using it, and I am letting you decide yourselves. I'm not the one deciding which apps to install on your device(s), am I? I do think, however, that that decision should be a rational and informed one. You do not believe it would be best to point out issues that have arisen in this regard? Just because you do not mind your privacy being invaded -- there has been no decisive evidence that this has been resolved -- should not mean I should refrain from calling Dolphin the privacy-steal king to alert other people -- who might or might not care -- to their practices. An old fox is merely a bit balder, not necessarily better, than before.
And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
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See post above -- at least they are more or less upfront.
That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
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I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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MartyHulskemper said:
And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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Yes I would say it's okay because in that case it's not stealing anymore. If the people don't read the EULA's it's not the companies fault the information was available.
That's why everyone went mad at apple and their tracking issue.
Google has been doing that for ages but it left you a) the choice and b) it informed you straight from the beginning.
It's all about asking.
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MartyHulskemper said:
I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
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I don't know about a "large" issue, but it is an issue if you plan on using it as a multimedia device. 16gb is not a lot storage these days. When you factor in the OS, music, pics, videos, games, it gets filled up pretty quickly. Sure I can transfer movies in one at a time, but its a big pain in a$$ and I'll have to bring along some sort of external storage.
The N7's resolution supports 720p. The bitrate doesn't have anything to with HD.
I agree with you it is a compromise. In my first post of this thread I was pointing to the OP that the lack of storage is a down side (compromise) to the N7. I'm not saying he shouldn't get the N7. I was just pointing out what he will be missing.
"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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uh....android host just as many fart apps on the play store. Type fart in the play store search and you'll get 20 pages of apps for farts. This isn't only an apple thing. We're talking about tablet optimized apps here, not just any app. For example, facebook and twitter have their official tablet versions on ipad, but not on android? There are many more examples. The total number of good quality functional tablet apps still greatly out number android at the moment.
btw I'm pro android here. I don't own one single apple device - no macbook, iphone, ipad or even ipod. I'm just pointing out that android is behind in the tablet space, but hopefully they will catch up now with the popularity of N7.