I am aware that ENG S-OFF is needed to flash a radio, and S-OFF is needed to achieve root. I'm looking for a technical explanation of what they are, and their differences?
cavsoldier19d said:
I am aware that ENG S-OFF is needed to flash a radio, and S-OFF is needed to achieve root. I'm looking for a technical explanation of what they are, and their differences?
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You do not need eng s-off to flash a radio.
The easiest way to explain it, is radio s-off turns off security so you can flash custom roms. Eng s-off allows you to access the engineering h boot, for more complex and in depth modding of the phone. Which in most cases you can do a lot of stuff in radio s-off that you can do with eng s-boot with running less of a chance of bricking your phone. Such as flashing a radio..
i read somewhere that eng-off allows the engineering h boot (like you said), but within that is a "quick boot" option that is for testing roms or something.
can you give a more in depth explanation of what the quick boot can/cant do and what other types of things are available within the engineering mode??
It allows you access to certain partitions on the phones memory that require engineering h boot to access. I haven't dug to far into the separate partitions, but the phones radio software is on one, and on some phones the splash screen is on a separate partition. These partitions are kept separate from the rom. That is the easiest way I can explain it.
i have recently installed a new gingerbread ROM on the inspire, and it suggests using compatible radios. In the post, it clearly says you need ENG S-OFF to do a radio flash. Am i reading this correctly??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11561829&postcount=4
ENG S-OFF isn't required to flash new radio. Just follow the the steps in this post. Works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002226
Little_Ant said:
i have recently installed a new gingerbread ROM on the inspire, and it suggests using compatible radios. In the post, it clearly says you need ENG S-OFF to do a radio flash. Am i reading this correctly??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11561829&postcount=4
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You can use eng S-off and flash the radio and as soon as it is done you can turn it back off. I had eng s-off and it is not as dangerous as people say, it is just that you do need to be careful on the flash. I had it on, on my phone and then turned it off and my phone did not explode or the sky did not fall.
As most post on this forum say, not responsible for damage to your phone, you can brick your phone just by rooting or flashing a rom, just be careful and read before you do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855403
The people on the coredroid thread would not have you do something that they have not tried themself's many times, I think that you can trust them fully.
Halfway down the first post you will see how to turn Eng s-off back on, BUT make sure that you do nothing to the SD card in the phone when you did the Eng s-off because it will have the three files on it needed to turn it back on. The one click s-off puts these files on the SD card when you do it.
moe3754 said:
You can use eng S-off and flash the radio and as soon as it is done you can turn it back off. I had eng s-off and it is not as dangerous as people say, it is just that you do need to be careful on the flash. I had it on, on my phone and then turned it off and my phone did not explode or the sky did not fall.
As most post on this forum say, not responsible for damage to your phone, you can brick your phone just by rooting or flashing a rom, just be careful and read before you do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855403
The people on the coredroid thread would not have you do something that they have not tried themself's many times, I think that you can trust them fully.
Halfway down the first post you will see how to turn Eng s-off back on, BUT make sure that you do nothing to the SD card in the phone when you did the Eng s-off because it will have the three files on it needed to turn it back on. The one click s-off puts these files on the SD card when you do it.
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The problem is your more likely to mess up and brick your phone with eng s-off then radio s-off... That is why we shy people away from eng s-offing the phone. There is absolutely no reason a general user should have eng s-off. Keep in mind eng s-off itself will not brick your phone, but there is just no reason a general user needs to be messing around with it.
Eng s off basically gives useful options to devs. ex-after building a kernel and you don't know if its gonna boot or implode the phone, long story short you can boot the kernel/ramdisk without actually writing it yet. (fastboot boot vs fastboot flash)
a normal user/flasher/modder will never technically need it cause you can do anything you need to with s-off. Eng-s off is in no way dangerous just having like that and not using it, it just gives the user the possibility to accidentally do something bad, kinda like leaving yourself logged in as root in linux.
On the other hand, if you do somehow brick or semi-brick your phone (with a bad flash or something unrelated to s off), you now have more options to try to fix the problem
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Hello to every one here in this forum.
I am posting here a topic about a problem I have with my new htc inspire 4G.
I had rooted my phone with success with the ace hack kit and loaded the revolution
HD rom .after one o 2 days II thought I load the radio that was given with this rom
So I went to make the phone eng s-off and I forgot to check the I have s-off.
Now the problem is I cannot get to the boot screen and when I turn on the phone it takes about half an hour to start. After that every thing is ok.trying every thing to get the stock rom back but no success. All the methods I found at this forum will fail. The phone just freezes and I have to take the battery to start it again and wait for half an hour to start.
Any help would be grateful.
Thanks.
Look for Gene Poole's s-on tool. Follow his instructions and return to stock. Then try the hack kit from attn1. You should be set then.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
You need to get a proper hboot installed. The newer Inspires have some hardware just enough different that the ENG hboot and/or the older Froyo hboot images will cause just this problem. Since you were able to install this, then you are obviously S-OFF. As such, you can install a new hboot from the booted phone (once it is finally booted) but it is tricky and involves operations that could really screw things up. Your best bet is to jump into the IRC channel and get some real-time help with this:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#liberatedAria
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Hello and thanks for your replys.
I am new to these things and i did manager to root my phone with sucsess and load a new rom. The only problem is with the hboot now. How can i fix it to be ok. If i have fast boot enable the phone starts up in 5 sec. if i do not i have to wait about half an hour to start after that every thin is working ok.
What do i have to do?
Any more help would be gratfull.
And sorry for my bad english.
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ok guys after i installed the eng s-off the phone canot boot normal any more.
any ideas to fix it or leave it like this?
VAMIAN said:
ok guys after i installed the eng s-off the phone canot boot normal any more.
any ideas to fix it or leave it like this?
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Have you tried hittng the irc link above that gene poole posted for you??????
I got your 10 char right here
You should read up on this phone in the threads. Its been stated many places that eng s-off messes with the new hboot and you dont even need it to flash a radio. Hboot does this with a pd98img without needing eng s-off. But I hope you go to the link suggested and get it fixed. Stay away from eng s-off.
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium
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First i want to thank you guys for your replys i did use the Gene Poole's s-on tool
but it says no image or wrong image i tryed 3-4 times but sill the same.
any ideas about not wanting to load the PD98IMG.ZIP?
eng s-off problem
i finally did manage to to load Gene Poole's s-on tool but still the problem is there and phone is still eng s-off.
Problem fixed
I want to thank you all for all the good things and help you have here.
phone is fixed i took the battery out and after that the phone starts and boots
like new.
thanks again
ive seen references to an eng hboot for the inspire 4g. im still a lil fuzzy on what DHD stuff can be flashed on the inpire so bear with me
im am radio s-offed and wondering if there is a download for an eng hboot somewhere thats not hidden inside a root tool.
i miss some of my fastboot commands and would like to run an engineering bootloader if one is available that works with all firmwares.
im not normally one to ask for info,but searching the entire inspire section for eng hboot,engnineering hboot,eng bootloader,engineering bootloader and even just plain eng and engineering didnt turn one up.
thanx for any info
scotty1223 said:
ive seen references to an eng hboot for the inspire 4g. im still a lil fuzzy on what DHD stuff can be flashed on the inpire so bear with me
im am radio s-offed and wondering if there is a download for an eng hboot somewhere thats not hidden inside a root tool.
i miss some of my fastboot commands and would like to run an engineering bootloader if one is available that works with all firmwares.
im not normally one to ask for info,but searching the entire inspire section for eng hboot,engnineering hboot,eng bootloader,engineering bootloader and even just plain eng and engineering didnt turn one up.
thanx for any info
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It's out there - but jams up booting on Inspire devices shipped with Gingerbread. If that's you - don't even think about it. If your phone was shipped with Froyo, applied and used correctly, it's fine, however unnecessary.
On my Inspire ENG S-OFF has been made correctly with DHD One click ENG S-OFF tool, but I do not remember with what firmware it was on sale.
thanks for the replys. i was able to find hboot-eng.nb0 inside the s-off tool mentioned above.
just curious... whats the difference in shipped with GB vs froyo? i picked this phone up used,so no idea what it shipped with
by jams up,i assume you mean it hangs at the htc screen and wont boot?
I bought my Inspire at the beginning of December, and tried that same tool. Everything worked fine, them I rebooted. It died.I yanked the battery, and no response. 10 minutes later, then phone came on by itself and vibrated for about two minutes while stuck on the boot screen. Then it loaded just fine.
But, it would do the same thing if I ever rebooted.
Thinking I would be slick, I flashed the original stock rom from htc so it would install the original bootloader. Bricked immediately! It would never leave the bootscreen.
So, I returned it to Walmart, and got a new one. So, if you aren't sure about when your phone was shipped out, don't do it. Bad juju.
too late! i was running the 3.12.405.1 wwe rom and flashed the eng hboot. rebooted bootloader,and it was a .85 hboot,so i thot it would be ok,but stuck at htc screen on reboot.
unlike your experience,i flashed the stock att ruu and it was fine. currently reflashing and resetting up 3.12.405.1 rom.
did the tool turn your radio secure flag off and super CID you? maybe its got somethin to do with that? or something with the tool? i had installed it via a PD98IMG file in fastboot
thanks for the warning,if id seen it sooner,i prolly wouldnt have bothered. one thing i did notice was that with the eng hboot i was unable to fastboot oem rebootRUU resulted in a "FAILED!" error
scotty1223 said:
unlike your experience,i flashed the stock att ruu and it was fine. currently reflashing and resetting up 3.12.405.1 rom.
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Sooo jealous. I don't really know if the tool ever truly worked because I could never get back into bootloader to check any of it. Now, it isn't so much that I need eng s-off, but that it has issued a challenge by bricking my phone. It's personal.
Galaen said:
Sooo jealous. I don't really know if the tool ever truly worked because I could never get back into bootloader to check any of it. Now, it isn't so much that I need eng s-off, but that it has issued a challenge by bricking my phone. It's personal.
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It's highly doubtful you actually bricked it. I can fix these. But since you no longer have it, we'll never know.
I used HTC's official unlock and my phone is unlocked, but has S-On. Is there a benefit to S-Off now that mine is unlocked? What is the difference between how the unlocks are? Sorry if i'm not making much sense, I'm new to this place and Android in general... I just got my sensation last week.
Welcome to Sensation
Don't worry, everyone's a noob at some point, I'm pretty much still a noob myself but as far as I understand it:
To this point you have unlocked your bootloader which simply allows the phone to boot with third-party software installed. In your phone there is a form of security check and the level of security is determined by whether you are S-ON or S-OFF. It's a flag at the radio level of your phone that checks images before they are allowed to be written to the system memory. So when you gain S-OFF, you gain unrestricted access to the NAND flash memory on your device, also known as root. With S-ON you can get temporary root but it's not guaranteed, with S-OFF you can get permanent root no matter what you flash.
Essentially gaining S-OFF permits superuser access to the phone, giving you control over all aspects of software and hardware.
If you like your phone the way it comes to you, all filled up with bloatware and stuck using only the latest version of Android that your carrier releases OTA, with a boring/crappy splash screen and boot animation (and so on and so forth ) then you have no real reason to get S-OFF.
If however you have seen some of the shiny ROMs put together by the devs here at XDA, or have a sweet custom splash screen you'd love to see every time you boot up the phone, or just like the idea of having complete control over YOUR phone and flashing what-the-hell-ever ROM/firmware/radio/other stuff you damn well please, then you should definitely consider rooting.
The disclaimer to all this is that if you aren't careful and don't thoroughly research what you're doing BEFORE you do it, you could brick your phone and give yourself some serious grief. The fact you're even asking this now is a point in your favour, there are far too many 'help me' posts on here from people who did something without bothering to try and understand it first. Knowledge is power and there's buckets of knowledge on this forum and others.
I'd suggest reading here and here at the very least.
Hope that helps
s-off means you may do anything with your phone,
you will lose warrenty at s-off gain it at s-on
as the other guy said if u want a nice toutch to your rom s-off it and install, if u want it still legal dont
Thanks for the info. I've been considering using an ICS OTA file on my HTC Sensation 4G, but the guides i've seen only mention S-OFF and nothing about the unlocked S-ON. I just can't wait for the official release!
On the other hand though, I also want to remove bloatware from this phone and found a script for such... but i can't seem to get any temp root method working. I'm not ready to jump off the deep end yet, but i'm tired of the unnecessary stuff.
I also couldn't wait for the official ICS release so I s-off, rooted, super CID, and flashed an ICS firmware and went to android revolution. Honestly, it's one of the best decisions Ive ever made. If you think your stock phone is running good right now, you'll be amazed when you flash it, it will run absolutely faster I tell you.
Though there are alot of risks doing all of that, it might brick your phone completely. So be very careful, read and understand everything if you're going to do all of those stuff.
Sent from revolutionized HTC Sensation ICS
HTC sensation stuck at boot
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
man+droid said:
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
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if you can boot into bootloader then you are not bricked
secondly what do you mean by juopunutbear.zip and from where?
edit:you said that you are already rooted
which means that you have unlocked bootloader from htcdev site am i right?
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
man+droid said:
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
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do this
install 4ext recovery
enable smartflash from it
flash the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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that's weird
did you perform a full wipe(from recovery) before flashing the rom?
also as long as you are on S-ON use 4ext recovery to flash the rom
and before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
if you have done all the above then use a ruu.exe to return to stock condition
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672425
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
man+droid said:
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
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i saw your post in the other thread
you managed to install 4ext
now try to flash a custom rom
before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
man+droid said:
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
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any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
ganeshp said:
any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
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Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
man+droid said:
Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
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no you are fine now
there is no problem with juopunutbear because now you have patched hboot which is unlocked
you are fine also with cwm recovery
but if you still want 4ext do only step 2 from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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might be a bad dl. Download it again and reflash or try a different rom.
I want to downgrade my desire S to be able to use revolutionary.
Can I use this method? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399331)
My Desire has the following specifications:
- 2.3.5
- Hboot 2.000.002
- 2.10.401.8
What version do I download the RUU? 2.10.401.8?
If this method does not work what happens? The phone continues to work the same way?
Thanks
Fredericosilva said:
I want to downgrade my desire S to be able to use revolutionary.
Can I use this method? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399331)
My Desire has the following specifications:
- 2.3.5
- Hboot 2.000.002
- 2.10.401.8
What version do I download the RUU? 2.10.401.8?
If this method does not work what happens? The phone continues to work the same way?
Thanks
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I really wish you wouldn't do that. Switching indiscriminately between HBOOT versions is one possible way (if something goes wrong) to convert your Desire S to one very expensive paperweight. Most new ROMs require the newer HBOOT. Guaranteed you won't be staying long on the old HBOOT. But if you insist, a brief glimpse at the Dev section should satiate your curiosity.
Saipro said:
I really wish you wouldn't do that. Switching indiscriminately between HBOOT versions is one possible way (if something goes wrong) to convert your Desire S to one very expensive paperweight. Most new ROMs require the newer HBOOT. Guaranteed you won't be staying long on the old HBOOT. But if you insist, a brief glimpse at the Dev section should satiate your curiosity.
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So what you recommend to do root and install a new rom? The only way I have to s-off is downgrade hboot, for now...
Fredericosilva said:
So what you recommend to do root and install a new rom? The only way I have to s-off is downgrade hboot, for now...
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Ok. Downgrade. But it's as easy as pushing the appropriate HBOOT to your device via ADB. If you've downloaded the appropriate HBOOT, you're almost there. It's as easy as using this tested & trusted method
Saipro said:
Ok. Downgrade. But it's as easy as pushing the appropriate HBOOT to your device via ADB. If you've downloaded the appropriate HBOOT, you're almost there. It's as easy as using this tested & trusted method
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I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
Jack_R1 said:
I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
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Well, that could be. But a few people seem to have done it via ADB. What really puzzles me is the number of people who unlock their phones using HTCDEV. It's unbelievable!
It seems much easier and less intimidating than S-OFF guides.
And then they're getting stuck, because they usually don't understand a thing in what they did. And then they come and open endless threads "Ok, I unlocked with HTCDev, now what do I do". Oh well, such is life...
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Jack_R1 said:
I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
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Hmm confusing this root is....
Hmm been reading for a week now, I have the same Hboot and RUU and I'm a bit puzzeled.
I don't want to go the HTCDev way, because of the limitations afterward.
I have an unbranded Desire S, S-on and locked, with Hboot 2.00.0002.
- When I understand it right there is no other way then a downgrade right?
- This downgrade has to be done with Zergrush (although I thought it didn't work for 2.3.3 and above?) to gain temp root, then the misc_version to fool the phone so we can use the older RUU (not sure which one to take though, the oldest WWE?)
Now I could s-off through AlpaRev, but I have a question or two there as well
- I want to work with the Engineering Hboot (seems to be better?), can I do this directy via AlphaRev Iso, or do I need to flash/push it later? What would be the advantage over using the Alpharev one?
- Similar question, but now about the recovery that comes with Alpharev (CWM). I prefer 4EXT, can I bake that in in one go, or do I rather use the 4EXT installer from the market afterward?
Feel free to comment on my noobness, but on my desire it was a lot easier.
Don't want to end up with a paper weight.
Cheers
May the force be with you...
Edit: quoted the wrong post...
You sound very well informed and have done your research well, something to be commended.
Downgrade hboot, soff with revolutionary then afterwards fast boot flash eng hboot
Eng hboot is better IMO, as provides you more options
Swyped firm ym Desire S unsig XAD Permuim
ben_pyett said:
You sound very well informed and have done your research well, something to be commended.
Downgrade hboot, soff with revolutionary then afterwards fast boot flash eng hboot
Eng hboot is better IMO, as provides you more options
Swyped firm ym Desire S unsig XAD Permuim
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Thanks for the boost of confidence, I'm no cmd line hero, hence the hesitation.
I used mainly terminal emulator to push recovery, hboot were easy as well with the right zip.
Could you comment in further detail about my RUU question and tell me if it is possible to add EXT4 install with Alparev?
Is this btw also a downgrade of the os and radio? I.o.w. does this process leave me with an old radio and os (2.3.3 without 3.0 sense)?
I understood as well that the hboot 0.98.0000 and 0002, work only with RUU containing 2.3.3?
Does this engineering boot work with 2.3.5 and above?
What confuses the hell out of me is the need to relock the phone, wasn't the whole idea not the direct opposite?
Why this need to relock?
Again, cheers for the help, on the old desire this was all quite easy obtained by just reading and a lot less command line code..
germsandbugs said:
Thanks for the boost of confidence, I'm no cmd line hero, hence the hesitation.
I used mainly terminal emulator to push recovery, hboot were easy as well with the right zip.
Could you comment in further detail about my RUU question and tell me if it is possible to add EXT4 install with Alparev?
Is this btw also a downgrade of the os and radio? I.o.w. does this process leave me with an old radio and os (2.3.3 without 3.0 sense)?
I understood as well that the hboot 0.98.0000 and 0002, work only with RUU containing 2.3.3?
Does this engineering boot work with 2.3.5 and above?
What confuses the hell out of me is the need to relock the phone, wasn't the whole idea not the direct opposite?
Why this need to relock?
Again, cheers for the help, on the old desire this was all quite easy obtained by just reading and a lot less command line code..
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Yes once downgraded you will be on 2.3.3 and sense 2.1.
Did it myself a week back. Don't want sense 3.or 3.5. Perfectly happy with sense 4 and go back to 2.1 for camera.
Coming to the hboot.
you should definitely flash an eng-hboot, which is good on case you need warranty.
I would recommend you to go for the old eng hboot 0.98 as it had a larger cache memory. So should stay on 0.98 unless facing issues.
I don't think you need to relock again. That would be needed only if you need to go for warranty
If you follow the steps listed, out should be straight forward. Let me know if you need any help.
Swyped from a primed Desire S
Okay....so I need to twiddle around with my trusty old HOX in order to solve the constant rebooting issues. (I also want to jump ship off of the memory-heavy Viper Venom that's on it to just straight CM or something similarly light weight)
To do that I've got to update the firmware.
And to do that... first I have to identify what bloody firmware I have so that I use the correct updating method and don't brick my one and only device.
I'm not a total noob... I've been working on a beginner/moderate level with Android for 3 years now... I can get around ADB (typos not withstanding) reasonably well, push commands, get to hboot, know fastboot and such... but I am just not finding the specific answers I need right this moment to get this work done. So if Someone can point me in the proper direction, I would be muchly appreciative.
Right Now my bootloader screen says the following
Tampered
Unlocked
Evita PVT Ship S-ON RLHboot 1.09.0000
Radio 0.20os.32.09.10_2
OpenDSP-v31.1.0.45.0815
eMMC-boot
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So, who can tell me which firmware version contains Hboot1.09? Once I know that, I can start the process of SuperCID and S-OFF to make these updates. Barring that, anyone who can point me to a one-click unlock tool would be great too... the ones I find on the first few pages of the forum all recommend firmware newer than what I know is installed on here according to the above into, and I am leery to use them for risk of bricking my one and only phone.
Your current firmware is actually irrelevant, you need not worry about that at all. All you need to do is get s-off, which should be a sinch. Because you don't have SuperCID (I'm assuming from your last paragraph) you really only have one option, which is the Rumrunner method. It should work with Viper installed, if not it has a good success rate with the Kickdroid ROM.
Rumrunner S-off
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So I did have SuperCID... a readCID command demonstrated that.
and thanks to your assuaging my fears, timmaaaa, I was able to flash to 2.15 without a problem.
the problem now... is even after pushing TWRP every way I know how, I can't get into recovery, even with fastboot erase cache. ugh I feel like yanking my hair out.
but at least the phone hasn't randomly slowed down or rebooted since flashing the new firmware. (and the pesky double-reboot that made flashing it such a core in the first place is fixed too)
::edit:: gonna spend the next hour redownloading the venom ro so I can push the boot.img file, maybe that will fix things.
Did you check the md5 of the recovery download?
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timmaaa said:
Did you check the md5 of the recovery download?
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Yes I did. I also tried to install it via a few onboard solutions like goo.im. no go. it says it's been installed, fastboot insists the phone is unlocked and s-off; but it boots to the flash screen, tries to load recovery, fails, and reboots to the rom.
I am going to assume that the unlock is fubar somehow and start from scratch by installing 2.20 and using the HTC unlock, and go from there.
now if only damned downloads didn't take 5 hours on my slow rural connections... thank you isp conglomeracy.