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[Q] Differences between roms ?

Hi all !
Browsing the Android Development forum I could find those roms :
MoDaCo Custom ROM, Bionix NS and GingerS SMALL
As I understand, all three :
- are based on GRH78
- have su / root
- have an unsecure bootloader to enable adb remount
- have the new market
- have busybox
- have various kernel and system optimisations
So, I would like to know :
* What are the diference between them ? (not which one is the best, which is a very different and troll-making question).
* What are the advantages of each of them ?
* Why are they better than the OTA rom (considering that su / root and the new market are installed) ?
Thank you very much !

I know this isnt going to answer your question, but it really is all preference

modaco ROMs are all about being very close to stock ROMs, but with some nice refinements and extras that you need like super user etc.
i dont know those other 3 unfortunately...

MoDaCo is all about maintaining a stock look and feel with just some of his own "optimization scripts" ran on the system. I believe he also deodexes so you can apply themes. He's big on stability as well.
I've only used Bionix on my friend's T-Mo Vibrant, so not sure about on the NS, but it seems more geared towards tweaking out every last bit of performance, and changes the look and feel. It's been a great ROM on my friend's Vibrant.
I've never heard of the third one you linked until you linked it.
I've not yet felt the need to move from stock on my NS. There's a few tweaks I'd like to see (like battery percentage in the status bar), but unlike previous phones, this one just feels great right out of the box.
I'll probably go for Cyanogen v7 once it's stable. Best of the Best on most devices.
But like slowz3r says, it's really just preference. Try them all if you really feel compelled and see which fits your tastes the best.
edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.

distortedloop said:
edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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Also being NAND memory, and without TRIM support on Android, you're theoretically hurting that partition's read/write performance each time you flash a ROM. That said, I've flashed the living daylights out of my Nexus One, and it never felt any slower. From what I've read about SSDs on standard PCs, it isn't too horrible.

distortedloop said:
but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.

timelzayus said:
I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.
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where did you find that chart?

slowz3r said:
where did you find that chart?
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He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.

sonnysekhon said:
He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.
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Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful

A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.

zephiK said:
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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I'll try a preview or rc version, maybe even beta, but I'm just not interested in anything that's still labeled alpha, personally, though not arguing that it's not stable.

slowz3r said:
Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful
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You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
zephiK said:
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...

timelzayus said:
You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...
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Its labeled alpha because some of the CM specific goodies are not yet included (battery %, UI customizaion, phone/mms lockscreen sliders and other tweaks etc).
But otherwise its stable and everything pertaining to stock GB works fine.
CM7 RC1 cannot be << CM6.1.1 Stable .

I was just looking at the latest MoDaCo r6 and it actually looks interesting to me now. Maybe the flash-a-holic in me is resurfacing. LOL.

[Q] RESOLVED! From CleanROM to What? With Scott gone, what's the next big ROM?

I was surprised and sad to find that Scott (scrosler) has moved on to a new device (Nexus7, SGS Note2...) and left us with a great ROM (CleanROM v2.4) but with no clear path to the future. I have used Baked Black Bean and Hiemanshu's various offerings and there is lots of potential there, especially with Clemsyn's CM kernels.
What do you say...are you leaning toward CM or AOSP (4.2???) or are you hoping for someone to take over CleanROM and continue with a tweaked stock experience?
I do know that I'm going to focus my donations on Clemsyn to try to get him a TF700 so he can continue to work his kernel magic!
Update: Since this was posted, some great devs stepped up and took over the CleanROM legacy.
Thanks for the great dicussion, guys! :victory:

Honestly, I have no idea yet. I see no reason to flash anything else anytime soon. I'm still very happy with CleanROM (still using 2.3, haven't gotten around to 2.4 yet). I've got my eyes on Paranoid, LiquidSmooth and CM10 though, and will be following the developmentˆˆ

Heck I was fine with 2.3...
Then 2.4 appeared so I'm pretty sure things will be good for a long while.
I'm confident there will be more excellent development coming.
Shipped by rail freight

Firebrazer said:
I see no reason to flash anything else anytime soon.
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Thats OK said:
I'm pretty sure things will be good for a long while.
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Asus has released six firmware updates in seven months, so while we're fine now, soon enough we'll need somebody to at least rebase CR 2.4 on new firmware every time there's an update.

Kisakuku said:
Asus has released six firmware updates in seven months, so while we're fine now, soon enough we'll need somebody to at least rebase CR 2.4 on new firmware every time there's an update.
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...or we use the other great ROMs for our Infinity

sandmann241 said:
...or we use the other great ROMs for our Infinity
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Which is? Wasn't aware of another stock based ROM. CM10 is great, but I would prefer to have at least one up to date stock based ROM available as an option.

I just caved and unlocked and flashed CleanROM, only to learn the developer left!
Well, it is a much better stock experience, so I should be good for a while, and will follow the development of others ROMs I guess.

Vo01985 said:
I just caved and unlocked and flashed CleanROM, only to learn the developer left!
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Oh man...I was about to unlock and flash CleanROM last night. Am very, very happy that I didn't now.

Why? CleanROM 2.3 (can't speak for 2.4 since I haven't flashed it yet) is still an absolutely fantastic ROM - that doesn't change just because the developer has moved on to a different device. Granted, there may be no more updates Scott, but I'm still hopefull somebody takes over development. If not, I'll have to keep an eye out for other ROMs.
And if you were "about to" unlock, it's gonna happen sooner or later

Firebrazer said:
Why? CleanROM 2.3 (can't speak for 2.4 since I haven't flashed it yet) is still an absolutely fantastic ROM - that doesn't change just because the developer has moved on to a different device. Granted, there may be no more updates Scott, but I'm still hopefull somebody takes over development. If not, I'll have to keep an eye out for other ROMs.
And if you were "about to" unlock, it's gonna happen sooner or later
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I wouldn't hesitate to flash CleanROM 2.4, I've been running it for a couple of days and all I can say is WOW, V2.3 was brilliant... V2.4 is ( in my opinion ) a noticeable upgrade and is better again!
Cheers

Glad that I haven't unlocked mine yet. It's true that there should be at least 1 stock based ROM available. I indeed enjoy some of the stock ROM features. I am not moving to CM or AOSP ROM unless they provide a newer Android update than stock.

I've been very happy with clean rom 2.4. I've been running paranoid android on my n7 and it is a super rom. A step up from stock so that is where I will be going next.

i am not a dev...
But i figured i would try to mess around a little
I tried png optimizing cleanrom 2.4 and installing/running v6 supercharger script along with some extra buildprop tweaks
which i found in a tf300t stock based rom...
The device feels a little faster in my opinion and apps launch a little faster(might just be my brain playing games)
i was wondering if someone with the right knowledge would mind to try and png optimize and incorporate v6 supercharger into this rom?
and see if there is any gains?
as i do not know how this would be done as i am a newb
btw these are the build prop lines i added:
dalvik.vm.execution-mode=int:jit
persist.sys.NV_FPSLIMIT = 120
debug.performance.tuning=1
persist.sys.composition.type=gpu
ro.media.enc.jpeg.quality=100
com.qc.hardware=true
ro.debuggable=1
dalvik.vm.verify-bytecode = false
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=80000000
ro.media.enc.hprof.vid.bps=8000000

papand7 said:
i am not a dev...
But i figured i would try to mess around a little
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I think Scott (and many other devs) started the same as you.
papand7 said:
I tried png optimizing cleanrom 2.4 and installing/running v6 supercharger script along with some extra buildprop tweaks
which i found in a tf300t stock based rom...
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What do you mean with "png optimizing"? PNG is a graphics format, what's the relation to the Android OS?
papand7 said:
The device feels a little faster in my opinion and apps launch a little faster(might just be my brain playing games)
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Many of the "optimizations", even some of those in CleanROM, are pure psychology, or the speed increase is real, but only due to rebooting or cleaning data.
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dalvik.vm.execution-mode=int:jit
persist.sys.NV_FPSLIMIT = 120
debug.performance.tuning=1
persist.sys.composition.type=gpu
ro.media.enc.jpeg.quality=100
com.qc.hardware=true
ro.debuggable=1
dalvik.vm.verify-bytecode = false
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=80000000
ro.media.enc.hprof.vid.bps=8000000
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Now for each of these, find out what they are, and if your setting has any effect at all.

PNG optimize is a way to make all of the apps in the System/apps folder smaller leaving a smaller memory footprint when the device is running,
at least thats what i understand.
well the tweaks i did might just be psychologic but i guess i will never know for sure untill others try it..
i have no clue about all of those build.prop edits and as i said i am not a dev i am just playing around learning a little
But i will try to find out what they are supposed to do
well if scott is picking this one up then that would be awesome!
my device has alot of screen popping aka screen is loose some places...
Have anyone gotten asus to fix issues like this on an unlocked device for free?

papand7 said:
PNG optimize is a way to make all of the apps in the System/apps folder smaller leaving a smaller memory footprint when the device is running,
at least thats what i understand.
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What does it do? Remove PNGs for unused resolutions? Compress them better?
papand7 said:
i have no clue about all of those build.prop edits and as i said i am not a dev i am just playing around learning a little
But i will try to find out what they are supposed to do
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You don't need to be a dev to operate a search engine. It just helps to understand the descriptions that you will find. But for example, if you find that the default value of some property is the same you are trying to set, you will have gained knowledge even without understanding what exactly the property does.

_that said:
But for example, if you find that the default value of some property is the same you are trying to set, you will have gained knowledge even without understanding what exactly the property does.
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And as long as the nose doesn't light up you'll be fine...

CleanROM 2.4 is good to go, and will be for the life of the device. OCD Flashing Disorder is just that, and nothing more. I admit I too suffered from it with my SGS2, but I've come to realize that devicest do not need to run the very latest to just be great in themselves. I'm happy with the TF700 as it is now, and since all the other ROMs fail to properly support the dock, I will not be changing -- at least until the touchpad can be turned off, and the WiFi/Bluetooth/brightness toggles work properly. Those are my minimal criteria.

I'll be sticking to CleanRom2.4 myself for a long while (on 300t). And I completely agree with Marty, there's really no reason to be constantly updating the ROM to the next android version. I haven't updated my SII Rom in months and I have absolutely no issues with it. (The developer also ceased making updates for the SII rom)

Yeah I'm on CleanROM 2.4 and it's very good. It's still a stock experience yet it is much, much faster. I don't have OCD flashing syndrome (probably cause I suck at backupping and restoring). But I should use this ROM for quite a while.
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[Q] Favorite? / Sell Me

ok... I already am a junky on building and updating computers....
now this is becoming fun for me, albeit I can't really "upgrade" hardward on my phone...
So... I am flashing different ROMS to my blaze... and they all seem to have some little goodies here and there...
Currently I am quite fond of SlimKat and am sitting here like a kid on Christmas Morning waiting for @InkSlinger420 to bust out the 3.2
Does anyone have particular favorites of a ROM.... and why?
OH ... one other thing... Is it safe to presume on some of these (CM11) that if you flash fresh to try it, you can just do the nightlies? Or do you have to do them sequentially? I would presume that each is just a build on the previous, so by flashing the most recent nightly that would be the most current version, and not just a bug fix on something that is supposed to be on my phone already?
Thx again!
Noooooooob (pretty soon I will start to delete some of my o's )

crazyryan1 said:
ok... I already am a junky on building and updating computers....
now this is becoming fun for me, albeit I can't really "upgrade" hardward on my phone...
So... I am flashing different ROMS to my blaze... and they all seem to have some little goodies here and there...
Currently I am quite fond of SlimKat and am sitting here like a kid on Christmas Morning waiting for @InkSlinger420 to bust out the 3.2
Does anyone have particular favorites of a ROM.... and why?
OH ... one other thing... Is it safe to presume on some of these (CM11) that if you flash fresh to try it, you can just do the nightlies? Or do you have to do them sequentially? I would presume that each is just a build on the previous, so by flashing the most recent nightly that would be the most current version, and not just a bug fix on something that is supposed to be on my phone already?
Thx again!
Noooooooob (pretty soon I will start to delete some of my o's )
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Ok......To answer favorite question, has to be gummy rom (PAC a VERY close second)...All the fun, none of the bs..
On nightly builds, just backup current build your running through recovery, and wipe as they all say to do in the thread, and flash rom and corresponding gapps package, Newest nightlys offer the newest features added to source and MAY BE some bugfixes, depending if a dev has had a chance to work on hardware.. (but as all nightlys are NOT stable, May also break your device and require a restore of your backup)...There are NO guarantees with nightlys, so if you are new or not comfortable right away, wait for feedback from a more qualified user..

Favorite or best is really up to the individual and is based on YOUR needs and wants.
As XDA is not a support site, members are expected to test all the products offered to make this, very subjective, decision on their own.
Head over to the dev sections and flash away, and as always, read before you do. Tons of info in each individual thread.

[CM] won't officially support!

CM is not too keen on Bumping their nightlies etc.....
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/76552
thecubed's response
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Hi there, Let's be a bit careful about calling Cyanogen stupid here for this. I'll be 100% honest and say I understand their apprehension to having a device (their buildboxes) make external calls to a web service they don't control.
Can't say I blame them for saying no, either.
That said, it does indeed look like for the time being there will only be Unofficial builds available, which isn't a big deal. I'm happy to set up nightlies on my buildboxes too.
I'm hoping @invisiblek hasn't abandoned the project either, as he's extremely talented when it comes to getting this stuff working.
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Wow..

Not gonna go read the entire Bump! thread right now, but wasn't Codefire thinking of making the process (meaning, I guess, the code) available to developers so they could bump locally?

Hi guys, let's not go off and freak out over this. Discussion is still ongoing, and even if CM doesn't decide to officially build for this phone, we still can have builds done externally by anyone who wants to do so.
Bump has an API that anyone can use as long as they have an account, so there's no reason to be upset.
Keep calm and carry on

Darn that's a bit disappointing. But I'm perfectly fine with anything; official or unofficial as long as it works.

I hope to build Pac for d850 soon! Sucks cm takes this kind of approach to it.

4ndroid99 said:
Darn that's a bit disappointing. But I'm perfectly fine with anything; official or unofficial as long as it works.
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Yup. The same way I feel. If it works, I don't care if its unofficial.

objektive_1 said:
CM is not too keen on Bumping their nightlies etc.....
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/76552
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What I think is retarded is that Brint has no reason for not doing it. He's literally being a nazi-like figure just blocking it because he doesn't like it. I'm sorry, how does this make any sense? The worst that would happen is that the bump service (external site) goes down and the build fails. Brint, get over your ego...
CM keeps going down hill with stupid mistakes (like this). First with the One+ One; you gotta be invited to buy a phone? wtf? The hardware is already second grade at this point, who wants a One+ now when you get an N6?

I'll be happy with a solid AOKP rom or a pure Google Lollipop build with xposed/gravitybox

I'll wait to see how this plays out. Hopefully CM will become comfortable with the bump process. I can understand the initial hesitation since it requires something that they cannot control. If they end up not supporting it, honestly it will be CMs loss. The G3 is a very popular phone and there will be plenty of ROM choices out there. So if CM doesn't support it, I'll still have lots of options (and I'm sure someone will unofficially support it too).

Yeah that's really a load of crap especially seeing how Dan already had the script ready to autobump. It's not like it's really that much more work on cyanogenmods part or was Brent just too pansy to have a call out to another server.
I guess we will all have to annoyingly go download and update manually from the forums unless lg actually decides to release a legit boot unlock.

Yeah, I don't really get it!

Hmm, so it seems there be some sort of process they can use still. Keep your hopes up guys

Care to elaborate?

Regardless we will have unofficial with the devs (probably timmytim)pulling commits and upgrading it just as good.
2SHAYNEZ

This is now false.
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA Free mobile app

There is now offical support and an offical nightly.
cm11

IEatKittys! said:
There is now offical support and an offical nightly.
cm11
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I know that now. :victory::victory::victory::victory:
Anyone using it? Thoughts?

objektive_1 said:
I know that now. :victory::victory::victory::victory:
Anyone using it? Thoughts?
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Ive been using it all day. And so far so good. Battery life has been better than expected

IEatKittys! said:
Ive been using it all day. And so far so good. Battery life has been better than expected
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Running it right now.

Cyanogenmod 13 or Cataclysm

Hi all,
Ever since CM has been available for my devices, I have been using CM. Tried many other roms, but never really anything that I felt so comfortable with as CM.
Now that CM13 CAF has stopped development ( @myfluxi, you magnificent bastard! You created a great ROM!) I will probably stay on this one for a while but at a certain point move on.
So I started to look into Cataclysm a bit. Any ex-CM users here that went to Cataclysm and never looked back? Or the other way around?
Why exactly?
Please keep it civil, no fanboys or flamewars.

Why don't you try Cataclysm then make your own decision.

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Why don't you try Cataclysm then make your own decision.
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Because of my banking application, every time I try a new ROM (thus factory reset), I have to go back to my bank outside of my office hours, wait in line for forever and have the app reactivated.
So am I a bit reluctant to just switch to see if I like it. Was hoping for some replies from people that switched from one to the other and never went back.

c20h25n3o said:
Because of my banking application, every time I try a new ROM (thus factory reset), I have to go back to my bank outside of my office hours, wait in line for forever and have the app reactivated.
So am I a bit reluctant to just switch to see if I like it. Was hoping for some replies from people that switched from one to the other and never went back.
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i rarely had any issues with Cataclysm. Very stable and smooth rom indeed. Dosent have theme engine though. I Also have been using Chroma and its been great for me. Many CM features inside it. I read somewher that CAFHammerhead will be still going. A different maintainer has stepped up

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I read somewher that CAFHammerhead will be still going. A different maintainer has stepped up
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can you tell me more?
In the CAF forum this information would be highly appreciated - including me!

arrgh
Maybe make a new thread for every rom available asking for comparisons between CM and each:good: particular rom.

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can you tell me more?
In the CAF forum this information would be highly appreciated - including me!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/41qrwr/hammerheadcaf_version_of_cyanogenmod_13_has_come/
Hope this helps a bit. Says it has been merged and this was a day ago.

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Maybe make a new thread for every rom available asking for comparisons between CM and each:good: particular rom.
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Yes, but I'm not interested in other roms other than giving Cataclysm a try. So I'll leave that up to others.
Anything else to add to the topic, or just here to live up to your signature?

I would go for Cataclysm over CM13 as Cataclysm feels more stable & smooth compared to CM13.
CM13 sometimes feels unstable as it is in nightly stage.
Surely the opinion might change when CM13 Stable will be available.
Don't get me wrong.
But CM has its own advantages.

I personally dislike CM because the performance has been worse thay it used to be, and idk why. I would prefer Cataclysm over CM and Chroma over Cataclysm, because the performance in Chroma is just great! I also use the elementalx kernel and limit my cpu to 2.0 ghz for battery. So Cataclysm is much more stable than CM, as CM has alot of problems with systemui right now, and with Cataclysm, you wont have an annoying 'Edit Tiles' button in your quick settings.

c20h25n3o said:
Because of my banking application, every time I try a new ROM (thus factory reset), I have to go back to my bank outside of my office hours, wait in line for forever and have the app reactivated.
So am I a bit reluctant to just switch to see if I like it. Was hoping for some replies from people that switched from one to the other and never went back.
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Why not use titanium backup option as I did? No problems in trying other ROMs
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

PINki92 said:
Why not use titanium backup option as I did? No problems in trying other ROMs
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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Tried it (went to Catcalysm and loved it!) but the backup didn't work.
It brings me to the login page, type my pin and it just doesn't respond. So for this banking app it didn't work, sadly enough

Both the same?
I'm confused!Are these same?How's the battery backup?

siddhu007 said:
I'm confused!Are these same?How's the battery backup?
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Battery life for me went from barely being able to get through a working day on CM13 to getting home with 40 or sometimes even 50%+ battery on Cataclysm with EX kernel.
So battery was a huge improvement for me, which is what I needed.

Why is cataclysm thread closed? Did I miss something?

Thread is closed at the request of the dev/OP, atl4ntis.

But why without warning? I like catalysm mod and all it extra settings. I hope someone make same mod in the future, when new android version come out.