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So I'm curious if anyone can point me in the direction of a good guide for a first-time rooting experience.
I am BRAND NEW from the iPhone world. Over there I was very comfortable jailbreaking, with the process and terms, and ins and outs of the jailbreaking world.
Now I just got my inspire 4g and I'm lost in trying to learn the root\flash\rom process. I feel like such an idiot because I always get pissed when people ask for step by step newbie process in the iOS jailbreak forums, now I'm doing it, lol
My goal is to root is for the sole purpose of enabling the HSUPA feature. I'm unlocked already (bought an unlock code), so that's really the primary reason for unlocking for me.
An additional benefit would be able to remove the AT&T bloatware, which is annoying me. Does anyone actually use the ATT branded barcode scanner? LOL.
Anyhow, if anyone is willing to help, I would appreciate it greatly.
Thanks!
check out this video guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957559
epicKA8 said:
check out this video guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957559
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I followed this video.. this is my first Android phone and first time rooting a phone... the video was perfect and rooted and installed a custom ROM with no problem.
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check out this video guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957559
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I seriously can't be this stupid. LOL. I have watched this 20x and I figure I can follow it step by step and have success, but the question I have is this:
- Is there a way to not have to do step 1 then step 2 to correct the audio? In other words has anyone compiled a video or written step by step on a process that does it without having to go back and fix the audio?
- If I do this method, when I re-login to google, will it re-download all the apps I had previously downloaded? And will it re-add the email accounts, or do I have to set it all up as new?
- I see many referring to the "stock ATT" ... so that'll bring back the ATT stuff, but remove the limitation and allow HSUPA? And does it re-add bloatware but I can then delete it? Do all the stock themes\apps come loaded still?
Thanks, I really wish there was a "here's exactly what to do, step by step, keystroke by keystroke" kinda to-do style list... I know many prefer seeing on youtube, but I'm more of a process\step-list type, and it's confusing because the forum has about 10 sets of instructions, some say they have audio problems, others have an amendment to fix the audio after, some say it's possible not to have the issue to begin with, just trying to make sense of it all as I'm totally new to Android.
I an having nothing but trouble also!
Finally I can make it to the bootloader screen but any option I choose locks thephone with the "Scary Emblem" and I have to remove the Battery to restart it.
Anybody able to help?
Please?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11908710
bella92108 said:
I seriously can't be this stupid. LOL. I have watched this 20x and I figure I can follow it step by step and have success, but the question I have is this:
- Is there a way to not have to do step 1 then step 2 to correct the audio? In other words has anyone compiled a video or written step by step on a process that does it without having to go back and fix the audio?
- If I do this method, when I re-login to google, will it re-download all the apps I had previously downloaded? And will it re-add the email accounts, or do I have to set it all up as new?
- I see many referring to the "stock ATT" ... so that'll bring back the ATT stuff, but remove the limitation and allow HSUPA? And does it re-add bloatware but I can then delete it? Do all the stock themes\apps come loaded still?
Thanks, I really wish there was a "here's exactly what to do, step by step, keystroke by keystroke" kinda to-do style list... I know many prefer seeing on youtube, but I'm more of a process\step-list type, and it's confusing because the forum has about 10 sets of instructions, some say they have audio problems, others have an amendment to fix the audio after, some say it's possible not to have the issue to begin with, just trying to make sense of it all as I'm totally new to Android.
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Please let me know if you find instructions like that. I am the same way. I literally have had my Inspire from ATT for 2 days after having six BlackBerry's and all I get are rude remarks, links to videos that assume I've done this before and absolutely no questions answered. I was referred to use the Unrevoked3 which is supposed to be "painless" and could work with the Inspire since it's similar to Desire, but all I got was a link to the download and if I try to ask questions, I'm not allowed because I'm a noob or I get the "Google it" response...which...duh..that's how I found this place. Every Android forum reminds me of my Business Calculus professor. When asked if he could walk us through a six page homework problem, he threw a desk at the wall and called us names. LOL I guess only elite are allowed info. I can't even get a response as far as whether or not Unrevoked3 will actually work on the Inspire! Sigh. *smh*
StoopidNoob said:
Please let me know if you find instructions like that. I am the same way. I literally have had my Inspire from ATT for 2 days after having six BlackBerry's and all I get are rude remarks, links to videos that assume I've done this before and absolutely no questions answered. I was referred to use the Unrevoked3 which is supposed to be "painless" and could work with the Inspire since it's similar to Desire, but all I got was a link to the download and if I try to ask questions, I'm not allowed because I'm a noob or I get the "Google it" response...which...duh..that's how I found this place. Every Android forum reminds me of my Business Calculus professor. When asked if he could walk us through a six page homework problem, he threw a desk at the wall and called us names. LOL I guess only elite are allowed info. I can't even get a response as far as whether or not Unrevoked3 will actually work on the Inspire! Sigh. *smh*
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I have found all the information I have needed to date by reading first. It's not an attitude unique to this forum... it happens elsewhere on the internet.
With processes like this, I would think one would want to be armed with as much knowledge prior to starting, as possible.
People get stuck on unique problems, and ask for help, and nearly without exception, if some degree of effort has been made by the person asking, then people are pretty willing to assist.
If people come in an ask questions that would have been easily answered had they taken the extra five minutes to check if it had been addressed already, it shows... its easy to tell if someone has made even the slightest effort to educate themselves first, or if they're just expecting free technical support.
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Can't we all just get along?
For any newbies wanting to get started and have step-by-step instructions, you should visit the Hack Kit thread, download the zip file, and read that readme!
Link to hack kit thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=952352
To be honest, I think if the hack kit thread was made into a sticky it might get more attention from the new inspire owners.
EDIT: Just to be clear. The hack kit contains a full step-by-step procedure. The only change to this I recommend is using the gold card maker in the following thread (unless it's now included with the kit) :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970157
Give a man a fish and he'll eat tonight teach a man to fish and he'll eat the rest of his life, or something.
[harsh mode]This stuff isn't brain surgery. If you want root badly enough you'll figure it out. [/harsh mode]
gunnyman said:
Give a man a fish and he'll eat tonight teach a man to fish and he'll eat the rest of his life, or something.
[harsh mode]This stuff isn't brain surgery. If you want root badly enough you'll figure it out. [/harsh mode]
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LOL, i get that, but you cant throw him a pole, a hook, and bait and say, read this and learn.
I think there is an important difference between a newbie who wants the answers spoonfed to them, and a newbie who is genuinely trying but just doesn't get it. Some people (myself included) need a little hand holding through the process. It's sort of like pulling someone out of a third world country who's never seen a car, and expecting them to learn to drive by reading a drivers ed manual.
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I've seen a few please root my phone for me threads. These people make me crazy. I don't know what else to say. We have bubbys super easy method and the hack kit which has a easy to follow step by step and a video. I've only had one phone that was 1 click root capable, the Captivate. The others were work, so I learned. I was a noob once, we all were. But I educated myself. There are folks which don't want to even try to do that.
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I have to say, I'm with NOOB here.
As far as "bubby's" super easy one click, ya, maybe IF I had time to read through 238 pages of geekchat banter and decode the "FAQ" that was written in a haphazard method.
Nothing personal, but maybe YOU guys know how to do this but many of us do not.
I've spent 3 days going over instructions, videos and other how-to's only to find myself frustrated at the process and procedures.
I'm now at the point where I can get to my boot loader but no matter what mod.zip file I have on the root of the card I get a black screen.
2 things RIGHT off the top of my head that were not discussed (or at least I didn't find them in).
1- The original CID I sent to have a gold card made from was bunk. Only during my (IDK) 10th attempt at running bubby's one click root did I notice the CID had changed and sent that one in for a gold card did it work.
2- NO where in any instructions or FAQ did it mention to hold the "UP" button when rebooting to access the recovery mode. Which BTW, still doesn't work properly.
Maybe I got a bunk phone. Who knows. But I do know this. It took my less time to root my nexus one and even less time to quickpwn my iFails.
You would think with all the knowledge that exists in this forum, someone would sit down and make a step by step guide on how to root your HTC Inspire from start to finish INCLUDING potential pitfalls and errors.
Instead, new users such as myself and NOOB are left to decypher and piece together a way to root the phone.
No one has asked you to root their phone. All the NOOBS like myself are asking is for you to pool your collective intelligence and come up with a GUIDE even an IDIOT like myself can follow.
... and make it a sticky with NO additional chatter on the thread.
corbin dallas said:
I have to say, I'm with NOOB here.
As far as "bubby's" super easy one click, ya, maybe IF I had time to read through 238 pages of geekchat banter and decode the "FAQ" that was written in a haphazard method.
[...] No one has asked you to root their phone. All the NOOBS like myself are asking is for you to pool your collective intelligence and come up with a GUIDE even an IDIOT like myself can follow.
... and make it a sticky with NO additional chatter on the thread.
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I mean no hatred, but rooting this phone isn't an easy process. I've been hacking windows phones for years but this was my first android root and it took me over 4 horus start to finish - and i had to troubleshoot a lot of problems on my own since it was 6 am with no one on xda. the problem with creating a complete hacker's guide is that there are SO MANy unique issues that people have, that there's no way to account for all of them if you're able to do it on your own successfully - then in that case why would you go back and try to mess stuff up to create a page about waht to do if XXXXXX happens? I had some issues during my root process, but I posted somewhere asking for help, detailing exactly which steps i had taken prior to having trouble, what my issues were specifically (including code), as well as what i did to FIX my issues after I had figured it out. People here don't like being asked vague and general questions about why xxxxxxx isn't working, which is why usually tehy like for people to be as specific as possible. I'm not angry with your or any other person that has issues rooting, but i'm simply trying to explain why other people get pissy and are brief when a little morehelp would do. a lot of people just need to read a bit more before they post, which is what pisses everyone off, but hey, we all need to start somewhere right?
as for your specific issues, did you use the CID1 or the CID2? The guides (video and hack kit) both call for you to use the CID2 so if you didn't use that right off the bat, that's waht your issue was. As for your black screen, what step are you talking about? Are you able to downgrade your rom? or is taht where you're having issues? and i didn't use any of bubby's one click stuff, but what's teh mod.zip file supposed to do? I followed the hack kit and video walk through both and adb sent the downgrade rom to my phone, it rebooted into recovery (ON ITS OWN - i didn't have to get it into recovery myself) and i had to scroll to tell it to load the rom and that was it. maybe your issue is that you're skipping steps? do you have a good connection to your phone between your comp/is teh whole downgrade rom being transferred to your phone? I know i had that issue where after 4 or 5 commands from the command prompt, it would lose connection with my phone and i would have to restart before i could send another command through adb...
lastly, to answer your question about the one click rooting, i think we all wish tihs phone had that, but it doesn't and it sucks. as i'm sure you've read, the only way to do this is through a radio exploit in a downgraded rom thanks to att being a bi***a** about sideloading and whatnot. it is waht it is.
anyways, i hope i answered your questions adn maybe even helped you out with the rooting. if you need more help, feel free to start another thread and PM me the link to it. hopefully i'll check my PM's and be able to help you with it. jsut remember, be as descriptive as possible and no one will flame you
Scott_S said:
I have found all the information I have needed to date by reading first. It's not an attitude unique to this forum... it happens elsewhere on the internet.
With processes like this, I would think one would want to be armed with as much knowledge prior to starting, as possible.
People get stuck on unique problems, and ask for help, and nearly without exception, if some degree of effort has been made by the person asking, then people are pretty willing to assist.
If people come in an ask questions that would have been easily answered had they taken the extra five minutes to check if it had been addressed already, it shows... its easy to tell if someone has made even the slightest effort to educate themselves first, or if they're just expecting free technical support.
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/begin rant
You read my mind...
Honestly people, the development thread has practically every answer to any question that could come to mind throughout the process, but you have to be willing to put in the effort to read pages upon pages of advice.
A few days of reading and learning will reward you with a perfectly rooted device, but you can't be lazy about it.
If after sifting through the development thread (and using a handy little tool called google...) you still can't make any sense of this, maybe you should ask yourself if you should really be doing this in the first place?
These developers work hard to put out what we have available today and they really jumped on this particular phone rapidly, and the methods available today work. I used bubby323's "HTC Inspire 4G Simple Root and S-Off" and from start to finish I rooted two Inspires and loaded them with custom ROMs in under an hour.
At least meet them halfway in the effort department people.
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Keep in mind also that those of us who rooted had to read through pages and pages and pages if we got stuck, it's rather annoying to read "I didn't want to have to go through that huge thread to find my answer" What makes you so special?
corbin dallas said:
I have to say, I'm with NOOB here.
As far as "bubby's" super easy one click, ya, maybe IF I had time to read through 238 pages of geekchat banter and decode the "FAQ" that was written in a haphazard method.
Nothing personal, but maybe YOU guys know how to do this but many of us do not.
I've spent 3 days going over instructions, videos and other how-to's only to find myself frustrated at the process and procedures.
I'm now at the point where I can get to my boot loader but no matter what mod.zip file I have on the root of the card I get a black screen.
2 things RIGHT off the top of my head that were not discussed (or at least I didn't find them in).
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Where exactly are you at in the process? Do you have S-OFF and can you confirm you are rooted? If so, you have already done the hard part. Am I reading correct that when you try to get into recovery mode (via rom manager or by Vol-Down + PWR) that the phone reboots and then fades to black?
this would require you to do eng s-off, i had the same issue with inspire
I researched for a. Week...reading everything I could find....which included 238 pages and an faq that...was written haphazardly (though I found useful) prepared myself for any eventuality.
Is there any 1 click root apps for the thunderbolt yet like universal root or z4 type app?
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No. There are "easy" root apps for Windows (and some scripts for Mac/Linux) available...
I am not sure if there will be a one-click app for quite some time. If you read the process for rooting you will understand that you are required to downgrade the firmware in order to obtain permanent root (through an exploit).
I don't think that there should be any 1 click apps for rooting. These devs spend alot of time setting stuff up for us if you want to use their stuff then learn how to do the basics atleast. Besides the more that learns how to do "technical" stuff the stronger the community will be.
dsvoda said:
I don't think that there should be any 1 click apps for rooting. These devs spend alot of time setting stuff up for us if you want to use their stuff then learn how to do the basics atleast. Besides the more that learns how to do "technical" stuff the stronger the community will be.
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I disagree. I understand and believe that people should learn what they are doing before they begin but there are some people out there who just want to remove bloat. Nothing else. And for those people, I think a 1 click root should be available. I went through probably 2 or 3 hours learning how and why to do the root method on this phone after doing the same thing on my old phone (Droid X) because I plan on doing so much with it I want to know exactly what is going on. People like me, should go through the comprehensive root so we have far less "I flashed ____ and bricked my phone what do I do?!?!?!?!1" but for people who just want to remove bloat or use tethering should once again not have to spend hours figuring out what adb is/does.
And even if everyone in the community learns the "technichal" stuff many of them aren't going to help out anyone else. They are going to root, ROM, and GTFO.
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I disagree. I understand and believe that people should learn what they are doing before they begin but there are some people out there who just want to remove bloat. Nothing else. And for those people, I think a 1 click root should be available. I went through probably 2 or 3 hours learning how and why to do the root method on this phone after doing the same thing on my old phone (Droid X) because I plan on doing so much with it I want to know exactly what is going on. People like me, should go through the comprehensive root so we have far less "I flashed ____ and bricked my phone what do I do?!?!?!?!1" but for people who just want to remove bloat or use tethering should once again not have to spend hours figuring out what adb is/does.
And even if everyone in the community learns the "technichal" stuff many of them aren't going to help out anyone else. They are going to root, ROM, and GTFO.
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All I was doing is stating my opinion which still stands at if u don't want to learn stuff leave it stock. And even with a 1 click root app there is still a chance for stuff to go wrong. Nothing in this world is always predictable.
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dsvoda said:
All I was doing is stating my opinion which still stands at if u don't want to learn stuff leave it stock. And even with a 1 click root app there is still a chance for stuff to go wrong. Nothing in this world is always predictable.
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I wasn't arguing with you just as you said I was stating my opinion.
And the difference between running through an hour long rooting process and a 20 minute 1 click root is, well it's quite obvious what the difference is. Also, we know nothing is perfect that's why everything out there (ROMs, kernels, rooting methods, etc) all have liability warnings, the same as 1 click roots.
dsvoda said:
All I was doing is stating my opinion which still stands at if u don't want to learn stuff leave it stock. And even with a 1 click root app there is still a chance for stuff to go wrong. Nothing in this world is always predictable.
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I don't really have a desire to learn ADB so I won't, but I will still root my phone.
Actually, if I absolutely HAD to learn to use ADB to root, I probably would, then I would promptly forget what I've learned since I'd probably never use it again, until it came time to root my next phone. So I don't see the point, just respectfully disagreeing and sharing my opinion
I use a MAC and a PC and I've built PC's, but I really don't care to learn how all the background s/ware stuff works, but I can add components like a mad-woman.
Thats exactly what I want to do. Just remove the tons of crap that came built in. A one click root solution would be a lifesaver.
The current root methods are way too complicated for me.
yumms said:
Thats exactly what I want to do. Just remove the tons of crap that came built in. A one click root solution would be a lifesaver.
The current root methods are way too complicated for me.
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would this help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009969
of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005292
dsvoda said:
I don't think that there should be any 1 click apps for rooting. These devs spend alot of time setting stuff up for us if you want to use their stuff then learn how to do the basics atleast. Besides the more that learns how to do "technical" stuff the stronger the community will be.
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Yeah, totally... and we should stop using push button car ignitions and even key starts. People should have to poor gas in their carburetors and hand pump up the pressure and crack start it. This way people will better understand how the engine works in case they need to work on it after a break down.
What about lighters and stoves!? 1 click to start a fire, wtf? 2 stick method I say, do people even realize what fire is and where it comes from these days?
Than there's Velcro shoes... omg!
hogowner said:
would this help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009969
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005292
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Thanks for that. The second link looks promising. I'll need to try that tonight.
For the love of God... not another effing debate about one-click solutions and learning ADB. Noob this, noob that... developer this, developer that.
The ultimate point is that nobody is entitled to anything... but once a solution has been developed in an open community, nobody is prohibited from using it based upon their level of experience.
I personally feel that it is beneficial to know how the root method works, but there are people who could care less and just want to root their device without fully understanding the process/risks/technicalities.
The bottom line is that they are free to do this and they are "allowed" to use one-click root solutions without having technical knowledge or understanding what ADB is!
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Well what good is root at this point? The radio has issues, the camcorder app is bunked, txt app is wishy washy, ringtones for specific contacts switches, etc. I am waiting on root at this point! I have rooted every android phone I have had and this one just seems to flake with root at this time. I still don't understand wth it's doing! If I had a clue, I would write a one click. Just makes it less of a head ache if you have more than one tb to do. And you won't have noobs pop up asking wth did I do wrong. And yes I'm a noob too, but I also read b4 I venture into the unknown. I still say if u wanna learn go buy a book and if ya don't understand it then ask. Why not just put a noob section on each device forum? Let people help the ones that can't do it on their own. Heck make it a mandatory $10 donation fee if ya gotta have someone show you what to do. Seems like no one here has ever had to ask for help. I fix my father's car, not because I really want to. Just because if he does it, it won't ever run again. He ain't got a clue! Some people just aren't able to understand things like others. Be nice and quit bashing noobs.
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hammer4203 said:
Well what good is root at this point? The radio has issues, the camcorder app is bunked, txt app is wishy washy, ringtones for specific contacts switches, etc. I am waiting on root at this point! I have rooted every android phone I have had and this one just seems to flake with root at this time. I still don't understand wth it's doing! If I had a clue, I would write a one click. Just makes it less of a head ache if you have more than one tb to do. And you won't have noobs pop up asking wth did I do wrong. And yes I'm a noob too, but I also read b4 I venture into the unknown. I still say if u wanna learn go buy a book and if ya don't understand it then ask. Why not just put a noob section on each device forum? Let people help the ones that can't do it on their own. Heck make it a mandatory $10 donation fee if ya gotta have someone show you what to do. Seems like no one here has ever had to ask for help. I fix my father's car, not because I really want to. Just because if he does it, it won't ever run again. He ain't got a clue! Some people just aren't able to understand things like others. Be nice and quit bashing noobs.
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Even rooting w/o flashing a new custom ROM is causing issues?
From what I have seen even just straight root causes issues. I really prefer root without flashing a lot of extra. Simple and to the point. Gives me access to files without the head ache of something going wrong.
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hammer4203 said:
From what I have seen even just straight root causes issues. I really prefer root without flashing a lot of extra. Simple and to the point. Gives me access to files without the head ache of something going wrong.
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I rooted to stock and ran that for almost a week before flashing a rom. I had no issues whatsoever.
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Is it assumed that there will never be a true easy 1-click root solution for this phone?
I am on my last week of eligibility to return this phone and if there will not be the same kind of support for this phone from the dev community, then I would like to know so that I can return it.
MoxJr said:
Is it assumed that there will never be a true easy 1-click root solution for this phone?
I am on my last week of eligibility to return this phone and if there will not be the same kind of support for this phone from the dev community, then I would like to know so that I can return it.
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There is already a ton of support and development for this phone. There are several ROMS and kernels already, and the root process is very easy to do. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn how ADB works. Frankly, if you feel like you deserve to have superuser access to a *IX operating system then damnit you should know what the hell you're doing; that's just my 2 cents though. I wouldn't just turn over root access to my server rack to someone who doesn't understand and appreciate the responsibility of unfettered access to the operating system.
That being said, I am of the mindset that everyone should take the opportunity to learn how these systems work, and would gladly help anyone willing to do so. I have loved Unix based operating systems ever since I got my hands on the first release of Slackware Linux, love the BSDs, and have a lot of fun using Solaris.
nerozehl said:
There is already a ton of support and development for this phone. There are several ROMS and kernels already, and the root process is very easy to do. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn how ADB works. Frankly, if you feel like you deserve to have superuser access to a *IX operating system then damnit you should know what the hell you're doing; that's just my 2 cents though. I wouldn't just turn over root access to my server rack to someone who doesn't understand and appreciate the responsibility of unfettered access to the operating system.
That being said, I am of the mindset that everyone should take the opportunity to learn how these systems work, and would gladly help anyone willing to do so. I have loved Unix based operating systems ever since I got my hands on the first release of Slackware Linux, love the BSDs, and have a lot of fun using Solaris.
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Sorry but I'm just looking for something like unrevoked for the T-bolt. I only need it to remove all the bloat, not trying to do anything too fancy.
MoxJr said:
Sorry but I'm just looking for something like unrevoked for the T-bolt. I only need it to remove all the bloat, not trying to do anything too fancy.
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I understand totally wanting to get the bloat off the phone; that's something I think every owner wants, lol.
Stop getting angry when we do not want to help you fix the problem you are having. Seriously, quit it. You are warned left and right that you may not or will not get support for it. The simple fact is that auto/easy root methods are too questionable. It leaves you in the dark when something goes wrong. We cannot easily figure out what happened, why it happened, or what exactly the issue is because it is automatic. I'm annoyed at the amount of users who go onto IRC begging for help and start freaking out on us because YOU wanted the easy way out. It doesn't take more then a Google search to learn exactly what to do, what it is doing, and how it works for the manual root method. I can only speak for myself but I'm plenty sure other members can agree and attest to this. I, myself, spend more time helping lazy/scared people FIX their phones BECAUSE of an easy root method then doing any real development! And when I decline to, the AndIRC chatroom becomes a hated place and gets bashed on. Use at your own risk. Enjoy.
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If you don't want to help, don't help. People have every right to ask for help and if they freak out on you for not helping, ignore them. All you're doing by posting this thread is returning the sarcasm and snarkyness that you're accusing them of dishing out.
No no no. ProTekk is 1000% right on this. I get tired of lazy assholes on IRC who want to be spoon fed.
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Tbh, this wasn't an "I'm better and smarter than you" post. It was meant to be a clear and valid warning to all. In no way was I trying to come off as snarky or a know it all. If you take this the wrong way then maybe you need to.reread this and start over again.
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Oh, also, I explain in detail why and what my reasoning is. Don't start flaming buddy
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I agree 100%.
There are a lot of new people moving into android with this phone, and a lot of progress has been made through development inthe few weeks it has been out.
People really need to slow down, and read before jumping. I think that was proven this morning...good one Jcase
I've had a rooted phone for over a year now, been through roms like mad, but still get nervous and re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
Take your time people, read, re-read, ask questions, then flash, your phones not going anywhere unless you do something dumb and end up with a brick....which would more than likely be your fault if it happens.
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I agree 100%.
There are a lot of new people moving into android with this phone, and a lot of progress has been made through development inthe few weeks it has been out.
People really need to slow down, and read before jumping. I think that was proven this morning...good one Jcase
I've had a rooted phone for over a year now, been through roms like mad, but still get nervous and re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
Take your time people, read, re-read, ask questions, then flash, your phones not going anywhere unless you do something dumb and end up with a brick....which would more than likely be your fault if it happens.
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Forgot about the questions. They.are more than welcome if it is about rooting. Ask away. We share knowledge. We don't hoard it and say go home. Glad to see some voices in here besides mine.
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Completely agree with protekk. Devs can not help you if they don't know the exact process of rooting went wrong if you use a "1 click" method. Using the process put out by jcase a person can start over or even go back to the prior step. The process jcase put out was a step by step (copy & paste commands) process. I am no better than any of you, but I can read and follow simple instructions, and in doing so have gotten a good understanding of adb. As for getting help, I have never had a problem with getting help, even when I started.
When rooting or flashing, you need to read, read, read, read, until you are comfortable with the instructions. Xda has info to getting everything setup and running. Research before you flash or root.
+1 man. I've only had my Thunderbolt for a few days and ended up deciding to root manually because I wanted to know what was going on, step by step. It's taking a little time to get used to CWM coming from the Eris where I've used Amon Ra's recovery.
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I've noticed a trend of folks really beating up on the dev's. Guys, our dev's do this for free or donations. Some even insist that we donate to the homeless or our favorite charity. You're not paying for support, these guys do what they do out of love and commitment to the community. Please remember this before you log onto IRC or make a new thread. The dev's have gone through a lot of trouble to learn these systems and write scripts for you, usually through reverse engineering and a lot of time. Respect their time by searching first.
Additionally, if you need help - please and thank you goes a long way. So do logcats and output from the screens that you're currently working with
Now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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All I'm saying is I remember a lot of people complaining about jcase, not wanting a 1 click root released . He wanted people to know what was being done and how to do it. And people complained saying he had no right. I believe this is why he didn't want it released to soon. Damn I hate mind readers. Lol
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"ProTekk is 1000% right on this."
"+1"
If someone doesn't want to put in the time to understand what is going on and the processes taken to make it happen they shouldn't even bother rooting.
This is my first android phone ever. I have successfully rooted it on both a mac and pc. I followed the instructions and learned how to use adb (nothing fancy of course). If I can learn others can too.
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Thats a good point OP.
The method posted by JCASE is so simple that anyone should be able to do it.
1) Install drivers for your phone
2)copy files to your ADB directory and to your phone SD card
3)Open a command prompt
4)Copy and paste a bunch of ADB commands
5)Put the other PG05IMG.BIN on your phone
6)Copy and paste some more adb commands
7)Download a few market apps
8)Success
I mean where is that difficult? Its basically spoon fed. If you don't have the ability to copy files to your phones SD card, copy and paste commands into a DOS prompt, follow clear instructions, and install driver software for your phone, then you probably shouldn't bother doing anything. I don't even consider myself an ADB pro, I learned how to use some of it with my MOTO Droid and I still don't know what a bunch of the commands are. I know how to push files to my phone, how to pull files from my phone, and some other misc commands.
I agree. I was frustrated sure. Took me another 7 tries and a few different methods. But in the end I was the one responsible. I could have chose to give up , but because I didn't want to be left behind I kept learning and trying. I finally got it last night. It even feels better knowing how much trial and error I had to try. Makes me appreciate it more.
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Thats a good point OP.
The method posted by JCASE is so simple that anyone should be able to do it.
1) Install drivers for your phone
2)copy files to your ADB directory and to your phone SD card
3)Open a command prompt
4)Copy and paste a bunch of ADB commands
5)Put the other PG05IMG.BIN on your phone
6)Copy and paste some more adb commands
7)Download a few market apps
8)Success
I mean where is that difficult? Its basically spoon fed. If you don't have the ability to copy files to your phones SD card, copy and paste commands into a DOS prompt, follow clear instructions, and install driver software for your phone, then you probably shouldn't bother doing anything. I don't even consider myself an ADB pro, I learned how to use some of it with my MOTO Droid and I still don't know what a bunch of the commands are. I know how to push files to my phone, how to pull files from my phone, and some other misc commands.
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I'm considering moving to Android, possibly the Thunderbolt. I'm experienced with flashing custom ROMs to WinMo 6.X phones, but that's not a root process (at least not on any phones I've owned), it's a simple process of connecting the device tp a PC via USB, launching a program on the PC, clicking a few buttons and restarting the phone. Done.
Coming from that simplcity, the rooting process looks kinda daunting, but not impossible. I've been reading as much as I can in different forums, but without having the phone in front of me and trying it out, I'm not understanding the process.
For instance, "Open a command prompt." Is this on a connected PC, or directly on the phone? If on the phone, how do I get to a command prompt on it?
I guess I'd like to ask the knowledgeable folks here for a website they'd recommend for an absolute beginner to bone up before attempting his first root? Or multiple sites, where I can not only read how it's done, but what is actually happening at each step. I know my way around Windows pretty well (up to XP anyway), but have no idea when it comes to Linux.
As to folks who dork up their phones while trying to root/modify - the devs are offering their knowledge, free of charge. You aren't being forced to root, it's your choice and ultimately your responsibility. I've seen the occasional Sp.Ed. flip out because his phone bricked while flashing a WinMo custom ROM that someone spent many hours working on and tweaking. Not often, I'm glad to say - most folks are grateful for the effort.
This was my first android phone, and initially I was too scared to do the manual method. But, I manned up and decided to do it, and to be honest, it was simple. After that, I tried reading all the threads and being active in the community. That's the thing with attaining knowledge, you have to be proactive. Read through everything, and often. Don't just ask questions only when it pertains to your problem, because from what I've seen, it's always answered in some thread.
tl,dr:The gist, just be proactive. read read read
tedkord said:
I'm considering moving to Android, possibly the Thunderbolt. I'm experienced with flashing custom ROMs to WinMo 6.X phones, but that's not a root process (at least not on any phones I've owned), it's a simple process of connecting the device tp a PC via USB, launching a program on the PC, clicking a few buttons and restarting the phone. Done.
Coming from that simplcity, the rooting process looks kinda daunting, but not impossible. I've been reading as much as I can in different forums, but without having the phone in front of me and trying it out, I'm not understanding the process.
For instance, "Open a command prompt." Is this on a connected PC, or directly on the phone? If on the phone, how do I get to a command prompt on it?
I guess I'd like to ask the knowledgeable folks here for a website they'd recommend for an absolute beginner to bone up before attempting his first root? Or multiple sites, where I can not only read how it's done, but what is actually happening at each step. I know my way around Windows pretty well (up to XP anyway), but have no idea when it comes to Linux.
As to folks who dork up their phones while trying to root/modify - the devs are offering their knowledge, free of charge. You aren't being forced to root, it's your choice and ultimately your responsibility. I've seen the occasional Sp.Ed. flip out because his phone bricked while flashing a WinMo custom ROM that someone spent many hours working on and tweaking. Not often, I'm glad to say - most folks are grateful for the effort.
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look on you tube they have a real nice walk thru you should watch first
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6EMdPpF6o&annotation_id=annotation_68322&feature=iv
thanx nat3mil
Bimmer323 said:
re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
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Ayup. either a long contract or an expensive phone I do not want anything bad to happen to it
with my og droid I would do just about anything to it because that thing was bulletproof and I got buy 1 get 1 free .
my thunder bolt, it's treated with kid gloves
this is not a signature I type it in every time maybe sent from my phone or my computer
I have to agree for the most part...I rooted my bolt with the very first method released and it took me quit a while...had to do allot of reading (adb). I got most of my questions answered by going threw the threads.... reading other peoples problems they posted and then the fixes or answers left by knowledgeable forum members. Yes that takes time but it does help...I will vouch for that...lots of knowledge and answers here just have to put in the time.
I think people should be able to ask questions on here...thats part of why the forums are here, but if you ask and you don't get answer it's more than likely you have ask a question that has been asked before...several before's....Its just to basic of a question which could have several answers (not enough info in the question)....or you ask to many questions which means you have not done your home work.
Read and then read some more....google and google some more.....then ask the question....
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People want to be spoon fed - doing things the right way is too hard for them
http://forum.androidcentral.com/thunderbolt-rooting-roms-hacks/77617-auto-root-unroot-windows.html
just passing it along. i know some are afraid to use adb i myself would recommend using it to know the basic of adb but if not well here it is. GL
i do know its a heated debate with auto and manual etc. don't hate the messenger.
I love auto-rooters for myself. I've done 3 different phones via ADB because I wasn't going to wait, but if I lose root for whatever reason, an auto rooter sure is nice.
I think everybody should root via ADB before they ever root with an auto rooter, though.
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Nice find, thank you.
That soft bricked me so I did it manually
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And to think I just did the manual root yesterday.. D'oh! Well, good to learn some of the stuff I did, I guess. Thanks OP for passing it along.
Anyone know if the 'unroot' process will still unroot if you rooted it the manual way?
Thanks will root my phone tomorrow using this
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EgoDogg said:
And to think I just did the manual root yesterday.. D'oh! Well, good to learn some of the stuff I did, I guess. Thanks OP for passing it along.
Anyone know if the 'unroot' process will still unroot if you rooted it the manual way?
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as far as I know, just loading the stock PG05.img (or whatever the name is) in bootloader will return you to stock
and, auto-root is great, but will lead to so many more of the "I bricked my phone" type threads from people that don't know what they are doing...
papi92 said:
That soft bricked me so I did it manually
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Soft bricked your phone? please elaborate on this
I (personally) had no problems. Did you miss a step?
Jaxidian said:
I think everybody should root via ADB before they ever root with an auto rooter
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+1
anyone interested in rooting should know how to access their phone via adb. if the auto root process goes bad, adb is the only tool available
Rooting manually via ADB or rooting via auto root?
That's a discussion folks should flesh out and really chew on. It's not been discussed enough here in the past and is a highly neglected topic that deserves many original posts such as the ones above this one. Let's get this debate going and see if we can tread some new ground.
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No matter what method of root I try to use it always says device error, so its not connecting, any suggestions?
Old MuckenMire said:
Rooting manually via ADB or rooting via auto root?
That's a discussion folks should flesh out and really chew on. It's not been discussed enough here in the past and is a highly neglected topic that deserves many original posts such as the ones above this one. Let's get this debate going and see if we can tread some new ground.
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I'm still in the "to root or not to root" discussion..
FP5241 said:
I'm still in the "to root or not to root" discussion..
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I hear you. I rooted and flashed the hell out of my Nexus One but have held off with the TB. Rooting and flashing Sense ROMs on my N1 is what made me want the TB in the first place.
That said, I would like to use cache-mate and ad-free. This ROM is also tempting me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013577
I have to hold off tho. They are getting ready to flip the 4G switch in my area soon an I want to be stock when that happens because when I root I want to know how my device is supposed to behave when stock. That way I'll know if an issue I am having is a TB/Verizon issue or a flashed ROM/Kernel/Radio/root issue.
Rooting on the N1 was a no-brainer given the lack of app space and the urgent need for A2SD. Given the ability to move some apps to SD now, plus the TB's extra app storage space, the need for more storage just isn't there for me with the TB. And believe it or not, for me personally, flashing ROMs and kernels got old in and of itself. Every ROM is different, but I can never find the perfect one and always end up wishing I could cherry pick features from a variety of ROMs. I felt like a damn nomad going from one ROM to the next.
Old MuckenMire said:
Rooting manually via ADB or rooting via auto root?
That's a discussion folks should flesh out and really chew on. It's not been discussed enough here in the past and is a highly neglected topic that deserves many original posts such as the ones above this one. Let's get this debate going and see if we can tread some new ground.
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There is nothing to discuss.
If you are doing any type of hack you are doing so at your own risk,assuming all responsibility to anything that may happen to your phone, and you should take it upon yourself to learn, at the very least, the basics of adb and its command functions.
I am attempting to make the process as painless as possible, no where in my thread do i call it easy or simply . I call it auto root because its Automated.
I am not saying im not noob friendly because if you know me you know thats not true i spend many many hours helping people, im just saying that if you are attempting a hack that you should know what you are getting yourself into.
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No matter what method of root I try to use it always says device error, so its not connecting, any suggestions?
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This is a connection problem, make sure HTC sync is installed. Make sure you are in debugging mode and it is set to stay awake, make sure you are in USB setting Charge only. Use the USB ports in the back of the computer
id none of that works, try a different,USB port, cable or different computer.
DroidXcon said:
There is nothing to discuss.
If you are doing any type of hack you are doing so at your own risk,assuming all responsibility to anything that may happen to your phone, and you should take it upon yourself to learn, at the very least, the basics of adb and its command functions.
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It was a joke man. It's been discussed here ad nauseum...plus, don't you think it's a little ironic that you create an auto root app where the user DOES NOT NEED TO LEARN OR USE one single manual ADB command, while at the same time preaching that users should learn ADB?
the only reason you say this stuff is to pay lip service to your developer clique about ADB and noobs, then you turn right around and give noobs a manual ADB free root app.
don't get me wrong, I appreciate it as much as anyone, but the irony is a little thick here.
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It was a joke man. It's been discussed here ad nauseum...plus, don't you think it's a little ironic that you create an auto root app where the user DOES NOT NEED TO LEARN OR USE one single manual ADB command, while at the same time preaching that users should learn ADB?
the only reason you say this stuff is to pay lip service to your developer clique about ADB and noobs, then you turn right around and give noobs a manual ADB free root app.
don't get me wrong, I appreciate it as much as anyone, but the irony is a little thick here.
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this is automated for anyone, where does it say in my thread, this is for noobs?
so because something is posted or because its easy to use its automatically hypcritical? . this is for anyone. i know that if i return to stock that i am not going to want to have to type out every command just to root again.
so if what you are saying it true then no one should post anything that makes the process easy for other people.
Did you install the drivers?
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DroidXcon said:
this is automated for anyone, where does it say in my thread, this is for noobs?
so because something is posted or because its easy to use its automatically . this is for anyone. i know that if i return to stock that i am not going to want to have to type out every command just to root again.
so if what you are saying it true then no one should post anything that makes the process easy for other people.
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Hey man like I said I appreciate it...but some developers on this forum drone on and on about how easy manual ADB is and that there is no need for automated root apps. If you already know ADB there is really no point in the automated app except to save, what, typing??
The automated app still takes almost as long...it just saves typing...and the risk of a mistake. That has been my point all along.
AGAIN, I highly appreciate your app and work...I just wish devs would stop harping on the need to lean ADB when it's not needed thanks to apps like yours. For whatever reason there is this clique of devs who think if you don't know ADB you don't "deserve" root access. It's lame.
But let's be real here: 90% of the users that will use your app are rooting noobs. The experienced users did it manually on day one.
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Hey man like I said I appreciate it...but some developers on this forum drone on and on about how easy manual ADB is and that there is no need for automated root apps. If you already know ADB there is really no point in the automated app except to save, what, typing??
The automated app still takes almost as long...it just saves typing...and the risk of a mistake. That has been my point all along.
AGAIN, I highly appreciate your app and work...I just wish devs would stop harping on the need to lean ADB when it's not needed thanks to apps like yours. For whatever reason there is this clique of devs who think if you don't know ADB you don't "deserve" root access. It's lame.
But let's be real here: 90% of the users that will use your app are rooting noobs. The experienced users did it manually on day one.
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im in no clique of devs i dont even know if anyone likes me lol. im not saying you should be an expert. but you should know how to use adb because at some point a problem may happen and automation doesnt let you trouble shoot very well. Im not hard core either way adb or no adb. but with any hack sometimes the only way to save yourself from a phone becoming useless is through adb..
thanks for the appreciation,,,,oh and not for nothing, i would rather watch a show then have to be putting in line after line of commands , then on commercial i can just flash the ruu
I had the toolkit on my pc... just installed avast antivirus and it wiped the toolkit off my pc.. wtf?
Because it knows toolkits are the downfall of society and are the major contributing factor to phone modding idiocy and technology paperweights. Learn to do it manually, or leave it stock.
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Don't know if the above comment is sarcastic or not but it's in no way supportive! Like everyone has the interest or time to do these stuffs manually
Anyway, maybe Avast found it as something which needs to be deleted? Yeah that's it. I don't have any problem with my NIS here. Just add the Toolkit under exception list, or whatever it is called for Avast, no big deal.
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Don't know if the above comment is sarcastic or not but it's in no way supportive! Like everyone has the interest or time to do these stuffs manually
Anyway, maybe Avast found it as something which needs to be deleted? Yeah that's it. I don't have any problem with my NIS here. Just add the Toolkit under exception list, or whatever it is called for Avast, no big deal.
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It takes 10 minutes (maybe) to unlock manually, another 2 to flash recovery manually, and that's if you have dialup and need to wait to download the necessary files. Once you have recovery, what's the use of a toolkit? Is there sarcasm? Sure. But I've seen more people get into jams with toolkits and not be able to recover than people trying to do it manually.
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It takes 10 minutes (maybe) to unlock manually, another 2 to flash recovery manually, and that's if you have dialup and need to wait to download the necessary files. Once you have recovery, what's the use of a toolkit? Is there sarcasm? Sure. But I've seen more people get into jams with toolkits and not be able to recover than people trying to do it manually.
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Especially with the step by step guides all over xda
apparently you havent rooted with slapmymoto a little bit more confusing than what you described even with the toolkit confusing.. and than theres adb and trying to figure out how to install it and use it... yep easy stuff.. more like 2 days... i will take flying an instrument approach in mexico any day to trying to understand adb
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apparently you havent rooted with slapmymoto a little bit more confusing than what you described even with the toolkit confusing.. and than theres adb and trying to figure out how to install it and use it... yep easy stuff.. more like 2 days... i will take flying an instrument approach in mexico any day to trying to understand adb
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With an attitude like that, I hope you brick your phone. The problem with the world today is everyone wants everything now. You can't take an extra 20 minutes to learn anything, it needs done now. Maybe that's why the people that learn to do stuff the "hard" way have fewer problems, because they learn how to fix stuff on their own, or know when to stop and ask before proceeding further. Installing ADB is far from difficult, and using it isn't hard either. There are only a small handful of commands, so I'm not sure why you think it's so difficult. Then again, you can't figure out how to get a your antivirus program to allow you to use the toolkit, so I'm sure anything over pressing the power button is too hard for you.
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With an attitude like that, I hope you brick your phone. The problem with the world today is everyone wants everything now. You can't take an extra 20 minutes to learn anything, it needs done now. Maybe that's why the people that learn to do stuff the "hard" way have fewer problems, because they learn how to fix stuff on their own, or know when to stop and ask before proceeding further. Installing ADB is far from difficult, and using it isn't hard either. There are only a small handful of commands, so I'm not sure why you think it's so difficult. Then again, you can't figure out how to get a your antivirus program to allow you to use the toolkit, so I'm sure anything over pressing the power button is too hard for you.
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That was funny.. thanks
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I had the toolkit on my pc... just installed avast antivirus and it wiped the toolkit off my pc.. wtf?
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Have you ever heard of "FALSE POSITIVE"?
and with an ending of WFT... I'm not surprised you got some harsh responses.
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doitinthedirt said:
apparently you havent rooted with slapmymoto a little bit more confusing than what you described even with the toolkit confusing.. and than theres adb and trying to figure out how to install it and use it... yep easy stuff.. more like 2 days... i will take flying an instrument approach in mexico any day to trying to understand adb
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Installing ADB is not hard. For example a quick google search found this excellent guide -> http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...set-up-adb-and-fastboot-for-your-windows-7-pc which is illustrated and easy to follow. I would just add a couple of things which I noted here -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/ADB.htm
As for following SlapMyMoto, yes, it can be a daunting task for someone who is new to it... BUT if it was easy, everyone would root their phone and no android devices would be safe/secure. The SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo threads do a pretty good job of covering the processes, but they were written at different times, so you have to pay attention as some steps might not be needed (like flashing to 4.4 if you are already on 4.4)
However if you don't understand it, you shouldn't be doing it as messing up could have serious impact on your phone, and your carrier or moto might refuse to warranty it since the failure wasn't cause by hardware, or the stock software.
OH, and what are you trying to do with the toolkit? You mention SlapMyMoto, have you done that already? or is that what you are trying? because if you are trying SlapMyMoto, make sure your phone is NOT on 4.4.2 or 4.4.3 before you start.
The wtf was in the sense of a joke.. and I wasnt using the tookit at the time Avast picked it out.. it was on the pc and i had just installed avast. I did use it to root my moto its running 4.4
I do like to get my hands into the dirt.. and learn the basics.. but time was an issue a couple months ago when i chose to use the toolkit.. now time is not so i may try to install and learn adb.
Thanks
I still laugh at the simple part... that little box that pops up during the slapmymoto root process.. a forgot the name but has to be ran 3 times and than another little box has to be ran .. my god.. i cant stop laughing at how simple that poster says it is.. LOL 2 minutes LOL
Thanks for the help
Jeez the guy asked a simple question and gets flamed you guys need to settle down. And as for the comment I hope you brick your phone well your just a douche bag that was uncalled for. I know how to use adb and I still use tool kits like house of moto. Why well for one someone took the time to make it and two its easier and quicker. Hey you want to do it the hard way knock yourself out. I do agree people should be inclined to learn adb and how to fix their phones. I have screwed up my fair share doing crazy stuff but have never had a paper weight. Always able to fxz it back to life. Anyway this wasn't a discussion on toolkits all he wanted to know was why his anti virus would delete the tool kit.
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