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ok please help. I wanna root but need some help

Ok i wanna root my g1 BAD. I want to be able to move the cache and install the development version of cupcake. but 1 BIIIIIG problem. I DO NOT have a data plan. I have read and it seems that when you root it factory resets your g1 which that means your sim card must have the data plan on it.
Is their any possible way for me to root in my circumstance?
Thanks

If you install the adp1.1 version, you can skip the login, enable wifi, then login through that.

ok umm im a mega newb to rooting and stuff lol. so can you or someone provide a COMPLETE step by step tutorial on what to do from block one? and to make sure I dont root it wrong and so i'll be able to login with wifi?
thanks lol

samrozzi said:
ok umm im a mega newb to rooting and stuff lol. so can you or someone provide a COMPLETE step by step tutorial on what to do from block one? and to make sure I dont root it wrong and so i'll be able to login with wifi?
thanks lol
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Sam, this forum is full of tutorials -- all you have to do is find the right one and read through it, THEN ask questions. There's a pretty steep learning curve involved, and few people have the time to hold your hand all the way, especially if you don't invest the minimal effort.
best,

the step by step is written in the sticky on how to root your g1. why would someone re write it for you? silly. go do some learning, then think about rooting your g1.
Sticky: Rooting, Hacking, and Flashing your G1/Dream
says it right in the title.

While it is possible to do what you want as far as I can see it's a considerable amount of hassle, and for it's functionality the g1 without a dataplan is like a computer minus the psu, even with wifi... so you may want to reconsider.... but as I said it can be done! Firstly what firmware do you have, are you uk or us based? The us phone let's you install a modified version of rc29 whichs you can easily bypass the registration screen (jesusfreke) has left a very helpful no dataplan sticky). The uk version has additional steps to simply roll back and install mod rc29, as it can only roll back to an earlier uk model, be rooted and then get a us image.
Give us a little more information, and don't worry I was there only a month ago, now I've installed fastboot, jf1.4, run my apps off sdcard and have replaced that stupid g1 tmobile screen. There really is a learning curve but you'll get there

well i am on US rc30 atm.
well no dataplan is fine for me really. but the memory is KILLING me. id LOVE LOVE to have root.

There have been multiple step by steps written Sam...
Like another poster stated, if your not willing to even read the introductory material on rooting your phone, it's unlikely someone will want to even help you initially.
That said, there are both numerous tutorials on how to root your phone, and how to activate the phone without a data plan so just search the forum/read the stickies for them and start on the first step yourself rather then waiting around.
Meeker
That said, the Dataplan is not necessarily a killer, but definately a cool benefit if your willing to pay the associated costs =) But personally for me, I'm a cheap bastard...

samrozzi said:
Ok i wanna root my g1 BAD.
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Judging from the three or four other threads he started here saying "Ack! Help!!" and the threads saying the same over on the AC, I'd say his plan to "root my g1 BAD[ly]" has succeeded.

Soo should we start waiting for the
Ack! Help! I've Br1cked my g1 BADly
Posts soon?
Sorry couldn't help myself....

Over on the AC he posted that he's thinking about "installing cupcake".
IT BURNS!!!!

Meeker said:
Soo should we start waiting for the
Ack! Help! I've Br1cked my g1 BADly
Posts soon?
Sorry couldn't help myself....
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You know, I lurked around and didn't want to post for a long time because I know I'm totally inept at this and I know I'm an outside/intruder here. I only posted my own question to a problem when I was unable to find a solution via search/google and puzzle the rest out myself. I wish others would do that as well to preserve the usefulness of the boards (because they are incredibly helpful!). And ultimately I hope the next person to run into my same error can find my thread via search & fix it themselves.
Sorry for being off topic, but the thread will probably be locked down anyway.

Xeroproject said:
You know, I lurked around and didn't want to post for a long time because I know I'm totally inept at this and I know I'm an outside/intruder here. I only posted my own question to a problem when I was unable to find a solution via search/google and puzzle the rest out myself. I wish others would do that as well to preserve the usefulness of the boards (because they are incredibly helpful!). And ultimately I hope the next person to run into my same error can find my thread via search & fix it themselves.
Sorry for being off topic, but the thread will probably be locked down anyway.
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I know, I totally got baited on this one... but I think the inherent frustration for the bulk of us who got baited on this one was the fact that if you looked at the top 5 stickies on the forum.... the answers where right there... it's only the fact that the original poster never wanted to read them....
No more replies? Lets let this one die the way it deserves to?

samrozzi: You should really start using the search, but pretty much all of the information you need is in stickys. But here you go
Start with rooting your device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
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When ever you need to have to log in to the google accounts use this:
"to enable and configure wifi, so that the registration process can connect to the google servers. In an adb shell session, type the following command:
am start -a android.intent.action.MAIN -n com.android.settings/.Settings
This doesn't have to have root access to work. It works fine with the "shell" user that adb on non-modded phones runs as.
That command will bring up the settings page on your phone. From there, you can enable wifi and connect to your wifi network, and then proceed with registration as per normal "
Taken from: JesusFreke at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316
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In the end use JF RC30, or ADP V1.41
From http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475381
As the link from the original/first post are V1.31 and i tried them earlier and the links do not work.
Hope that helps.

To All Who Use Easy Root Methods

Stop getting angry when we do not want to help you fix the problem you are having. Seriously, quit it. You are warned left and right that you may not or will not get support for it. The simple fact is that auto/easy root methods are too questionable. It leaves you in the dark when something goes wrong. We cannot easily figure out what happened, why it happened, or what exactly the issue is because it is automatic. I'm annoyed at the amount of users who go onto IRC begging for help and start freaking out on us because YOU wanted the easy way out. It doesn't take more then a Google search to learn exactly what to do, what it is doing, and how it works for the manual root method. I can only speak for myself but I'm plenty sure other members can agree and attest to this. I, myself, spend more time helping lazy/scared people FIX their phones BECAUSE of an easy root method then doing any real development! And when I decline to, the AndIRC chatroom becomes a hated place and gets bashed on. Use at your own risk. Enjoy.
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If you don't want to help, don't help. People have every right to ask for help and if they freak out on you for not helping, ignore them. All you're doing by posting this thread is returning the sarcasm and snarkyness that you're accusing them of dishing out.

No no no. ProTekk is 1000% right on this. I get tired of lazy assholes on IRC who want to be spoon fed.
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Tbh, this wasn't an "I'm better and smarter than you" post. It was meant to be a clear and valid warning to all. In no way was I trying to come off as snarky or a know it all. If you take this the wrong way then maybe you need to.reread this and start over again.
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Oh, also, I explain in detail why and what my reasoning is. Don't start flaming buddy
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I agree 100%.
There are a lot of new people moving into android with this phone, and a lot of progress has been made through development inthe few weeks it has been out.
People really need to slow down, and read before jumping. I think that was proven this morning...good one Jcase
I've had a rooted phone for over a year now, been through roms like mad, but still get nervous and re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
Take your time people, read, re-read, ask questions, then flash, your phones not going anywhere unless you do something dumb and end up with a brick....which would more than likely be your fault if it happens.

Bimmer323 said:
I agree 100%.
There are a lot of new people moving into android with this phone, and a lot of progress has been made through development inthe few weeks it has been out.
People really need to slow down, and read before jumping. I think that was proven this morning...good one Jcase
I've had a rooted phone for over a year now, been through roms like mad, but still get nervous and re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
Take your time people, read, re-read, ask questions, then flash, your phones not going anywhere unless you do something dumb and end up with a brick....which would more than likely be your fault if it happens.
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Forgot about the questions. They.are more than welcome if it is about rooting. Ask away. We share knowledge. We don't hoard it and say go home. Glad to see some voices in here besides mine.
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Completely agree with protekk. Devs can not help you if they don't know the exact process of rooting went wrong if you use a "1 click" method. Using the process put out by jcase a person can start over or even go back to the prior step. The process jcase put out was a step by step (copy & paste commands) process. I am no better than any of you, but I can read and follow simple instructions, and in doing so have gotten a good understanding of adb. As for getting help, I have never had a problem with getting help, even when I started.
When rooting or flashing, you need to read, read, read, read, until you are comfortable with the instructions. Xda has info to getting everything setup and running. Research before you flash or root.

+1 man. I've only had my Thunderbolt for a few days and ended up deciding to root manually because I wanted to know what was going on, step by step. It's taking a little time to get used to CWM coming from the Eris where I've used Amon Ra's recovery.
<soapbox>
I've noticed a trend of folks really beating up on the dev's. Guys, our dev's do this for free or donations. Some even insist that we donate to the homeless or our favorite charity. You're not paying for support, these guys do what they do out of love and commitment to the community. Please remember this before you log onto IRC or make a new thread. The dev's have gone through a lot of trouble to learn these systems and write scripts for you, usually through reverse engineering and a lot of time. Respect their time by searching first.
Additionally, if you need help - please and thank you goes a long way. So do logcats and output from the screens that you're currently working with
Now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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All I'm saying is I remember a lot of people complaining about jcase, not wanting a 1 click root released . He wanted people to know what was being done and how to do it. And people complained saying he had no right. I believe this is why he didn't want it released to soon. Damn I hate mind readers. Lol
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"ProTekk is 1000% right on this."
"+1"
If someone doesn't want to put in the time to understand what is going on and the processes taken to make it happen they shouldn't even bother rooting.

This is my first android phone ever. I have successfully rooted it on both a mac and pc. I followed the instructions and learned how to use adb (nothing fancy of course). If I can learn others can too.
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Thats a good point OP.
The method posted by JCASE is so simple that anyone should be able to do it.
1) Install drivers for your phone
2)copy files to your ADB directory and to your phone SD card
3)Open a command prompt
4)Copy and paste a bunch of ADB commands
5)Put the other PG05IMG.BIN on your phone
6)Copy and paste some more adb commands
7)Download a few market apps
8)Success
I mean where is that difficult? Its basically spoon fed. If you don't have the ability to copy files to your phones SD card, copy and paste commands into a DOS prompt, follow clear instructions, and install driver software for your phone, then you probably shouldn't bother doing anything. I don't even consider myself an ADB pro, I learned how to use some of it with my MOTO Droid and I still don't know what a bunch of the commands are. I know how to push files to my phone, how to pull files from my phone, and some other misc commands.

I agree. I was frustrated sure. Took me another 7 tries and a few different methods. But in the end I was the one responsible. I could have chose to give up , but because I didn't want to be left behind I kept learning and trying. I finally got it last night. It even feels better knowing how much trial and error I had to try. Makes me appreciate it more.
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TNS201 said:
Thats a good point OP.
The method posted by JCASE is so simple that anyone should be able to do it.
1) Install drivers for your phone
2)copy files to your ADB directory and to your phone SD card
3)Open a command prompt
4)Copy and paste a bunch of ADB commands
5)Put the other PG05IMG.BIN on your phone
6)Copy and paste some more adb commands
7)Download a few market apps
8)Success
I mean where is that difficult? Its basically spoon fed. If you don't have the ability to copy files to your phones SD card, copy and paste commands into a DOS prompt, follow clear instructions, and install driver software for your phone, then you probably shouldn't bother doing anything. I don't even consider myself an ADB pro, I learned how to use some of it with my MOTO Droid and I still don't know what a bunch of the commands are. I know how to push files to my phone, how to pull files from my phone, and some other misc commands.
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I'm considering moving to Android, possibly the Thunderbolt. I'm experienced with flashing custom ROMs to WinMo 6.X phones, but that's not a root process (at least not on any phones I've owned), it's a simple process of connecting the device tp a PC via USB, launching a program on the PC, clicking a few buttons and restarting the phone. Done.
Coming from that simplcity, the rooting process looks kinda daunting, but not impossible. I've been reading as much as I can in different forums, but without having the phone in front of me and trying it out, I'm not understanding the process.
For instance, "Open a command prompt." Is this on a connected PC, or directly on the phone? If on the phone, how do I get to a command prompt on it?
I guess I'd like to ask the knowledgeable folks here for a website they'd recommend for an absolute beginner to bone up before attempting his first root? Or multiple sites, where I can not only read how it's done, but what is actually happening at each step. I know my way around Windows pretty well (up to XP anyway), but have no idea when it comes to Linux.
As to folks who dork up their phones while trying to root/modify - the devs are offering their knowledge, free of charge. You aren't being forced to root, it's your choice and ultimately your responsibility. I've seen the occasional Sp.Ed. flip out because his phone bricked while flashing a WinMo custom ROM that someone spent many hours working on and tweaking. Not often, I'm glad to say - most folks are grateful for the effort.

This was my first android phone, and initially I was too scared to do the manual method. But, I manned up and decided to do it, and to be honest, it was simple. After that, I tried reading all the threads and being active in the community. That's the thing with attaining knowledge, you have to be proactive. Read through everything, and often. Don't just ask questions only when it pertains to your problem, because from what I've seen, it's always answered in some thread.
tl,dr:The gist, just be proactive. read read read

tedkord said:
I'm considering moving to Android, possibly the Thunderbolt. I'm experienced with flashing custom ROMs to WinMo 6.X phones, but that's not a root process (at least not on any phones I've owned), it's a simple process of connecting the device tp a PC via USB, launching a program on the PC, clicking a few buttons and restarting the phone. Done.
Coming from that simplcity, the rooting process looks kinda daunting, but not impossible. I've been reading as much as I can in different forums, but without having the phone in front of me and trying it out, I'm not understanding the process.
For instance, "Open a command prompt." Is this on a connected PC, or directly on the phone? If on the phone, how do I get to a command prompt on it?
I guess I'd like to ask the knowledgeable folks here for a website they'd recommend for an absolute beginner to bone up before attempting his first root? Or multiple sites, where I can not only read how it's done, but what is actually happening at each step. I know my way around Windows pretty well (up to XP anyway), but have no idea when it comes to Linux.
As to folks who dork up their phones while trying to root/modify - the devs are offering their knowledge, free of charge. You aren't being forced to root, it's your choice and ultimately your responsibility. I've seen the occasional Sp.Ed. flip out because his phone bricked while flashing a WinMo custom ROM that someone spent many hours working on and tweaking. Not often, I'm glad to say - most folks are grateful for the effort.
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look on you tube they have a real nice walk thru you should watch first
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6EMdPpF6o&annotation_id=annotation_68322&feature=iv
thanx nat3mil

Bimmer323 said:
re-read every post before I put something on my phone and understand exactly what it's doing.
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Ayup. either a long contract or an expensive phone I do not want anything bad to happen to it
with my og droid I would do just about anything to it because that thing was bulletproof and I got buy 1 get 1 free .
my thunder bolt, it's treated with kid gloves
this is not a signature I type it in every time maybe sent from my phone or my computer

I have to agree for the most part...I rooted my bolt with the very first method released and it took me quit a while...had to do allot of reading (adb). I got most of my questions answered by going threw the threads.... reading other peoples problems they posted and then the fixes or answers left by knowledgeable forum members. Yes that takes time but it does help...I will vouch for that...lots of knowledge and answers here just have to put in the time.
I think people should be able to ask questions on here...thats part of why the forums are here, but if you ask and you don't get answer it's more than likely you have ask a question that has been asked before...several before's....Its just to basic of a question which could have several answers (not enough info in the question)....or you ask to many questions which means you have not done your home work.
Read and then read some more....google and google some more.....then ask the question....

+1000
People want to be spoon fed - doing things the right way is too hard for them

Worth Rooting?

I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.

micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!

siani_8 said:
If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!
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Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?

micahman said:
Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?
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Yes sir, the Doubleshot camera app is included.

micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!

Blue6IX said:
Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!
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Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.

micahman said:
Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.
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I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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shady503403 said:
I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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Thanks man! Got it rooted and running senseless! So far so good!

Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).

Cm7 just dropped like a bomb
sent from my real Gs move in silence like lasagna

mbernusg said:
Cm7 just dropped like a bomb
sent from my real Gs move in silence like lasagna
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With a follow up by Official CWM Recovery. Today was a good day.
Coug76

Blue6IX said:
Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).
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Very true. They use a lot of information found at xda to build their guides off of thou. And a video tutorial is always nice, for me anyways. but yeah.. don't expect support from theunlockr.com.
I always go their, sometimes their outdated or wrong. But still gave me a general idea and I was able to use multiple guides to give me the correct process..
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I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton

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I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
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Sorry to hear that didn't work out so well. I think you'll find that your MT4GS experience will be a lot better.
Check the link to my backup thread in my signature. Read through it, and feel free to ask any questions in that thread you may have. I or another will be happy to help you clear them up.
Link: Backups - After Rooting, before ROMing, take this step
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So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
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Yea, everything tends to happen first here, so trying to keep it all organized as things change and develop is difficult at times, much too convoluted at others.
Basically, you need to take your bootloader from S-ON to S-OFF. Do this with the Revolutionary exploit. It installs CWM 4.0.0.8 during the process.
Then you need to make a nandroid backup. (see my backup thread)
Then you should upgrade to the official Clockworkmod Recovery, replacing 4.0.0.8 that was installed with the S-OFF exploit. The version is 5.0.2.7
Dev section link for the official CWM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329160
Once you do that, you should already have the superuser.apk you need for rooting that you found when you got the Revolutionary S-OFF tools. You can either have done it then, or now.
I'd wait until after getting the official CWM first, simply because that makes your first nandroid backup as fresh as it can be. It's up to you when you do it.
And that's basically it.
You now have a stock, rooted phone that you can start to play with. I'd say play with it for a little while on the stock ROM before switching to another, that way you'll get a feel for what you gain or lose, and if the various trade-offs are worth it.
Before doing any of that stuff, though, read through this thread:
Read this before posting. MT4G Slide Compendium
That will get you a little more familiar with the terminology, and provide helpful links to start exploring what you need to know.
Also read as much of this thread as you can stand:
S-OFF for Retail (S-ON) Devices, NOTE ADDED 8/17/11
This S-OFF for retail is the thread that officially announced the Revolutionary exploit for S-OFF here. The links in the OP will take you to where you need to go to get it.
If you get through that one, then this is a follow up:
PERMANENT-ROOT (NEW!) & Temp-Root (v2) for any MT4GS (Windows)
The temp-root thread is a bit confusing, because before we got S-OFF you could root the phone until you rebooted it. Once the Revolutionary S-OFF method was out, this thread also ran tandem with the official announcement thread. Because it was also dealing with temp root, it led to a lot of confusion.
There is some really good info in that thread, but I recommend reading the official release thread first. It'll make more sense that way, and you may not even have to check the temp-root thread.
(again, this lends to the evolving nature of what we're learning here - hard to keep it organized as it grows.)
Also, this thread: How To Turn S-Off, Install MoDaCo Clockworkmod Recovery, and Install a Rom For Dummie
Was written as a summary on how to get S-OFF and Root, because of how convoluted and looong the two previously mentioned threads got.
Once you hit this point, you're basically set.
My next move would be to install busybox, which you can find in the market, then immediately flash the Security patch to fix a glaring security flaw created by HTC.
At this point i'd make another nandroid backup.
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-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
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They are all un-rootable, but once you go from S-ON to S-OFF that's a one-way trip. Several people have reported exchanging their devices after returning to stock with an S-OFF bootloader without issue.
This is returning to T-Mobile, though, it's questionable if HTC will accept a return directly of a device with an S-OFF bootloader.
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-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
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As mentioned, upgrade to the official Clockworkmod recovery as soon as possible. From here on out it will be the only supported recovery.
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-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
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I'm working on releasing the updated version of Bulletproof right now, actually, and you'll like that one. Should be out in a day or so. The original developer is moving on and is handing it off to me.
I've just spent the last....dunno how long working at it, and needed to take 5 and clear my head. Cruised through the XDA MT4GS forums as i'm winding down for a break, and you caught me at a good time to give a response.
CM7 just got officially put on hold, but with your interest in the camera you probably wouldn't have gone for that right away. It's an alpha release, and we are very excited to have official CM support for the device, but since Ice Cream Sandwich ( Android 4.0 ) source code was just released, the CM team is focusing on that and it's likely to be a while before the CM7 for our phone sees an update.
Honestly, i'm more excited that they are focusing so exculsively on Ice Cream Sandwich, because that means a lot more for all the phones and devices beyond just our own version of CM7.
I'll leave other ROM recommendations to others who will surely come through here and tell you more about them.
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-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
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Pretty much all of the ROMs will support both the Camera app (in its entirety, included in the ROM) and Google maps.
The alpha port of CM7 is the only one (pretty sure) that doesn't support the camera, because the camera is tied into the sense frameworks. CM7 has no Sense components to it, and it was stated very clearly in the thread that it never will. The CM team and their ROM is worth losing the camera app over to a lot of people, and they are the lone exception to the "no camera app" stigma.
Keeping the camera app is one of the things that has been driving development around here, and very few people were willing to use or invest time in making a ROM that would exclude it.
I should take this time to point out that the stock gps configurations are, well, flat out wrong. Misconfigured, and it doesn't work well.
Myself and another developer independently spent a lot of time working on fixing this issue, and when we realized what each other were doing we also realized that we had the piece of the puzzle the other needed to make it work.
We released a collaboration that solved the problem, which you can find here: GPS lock too long or not at all? Try this
If you want to know how my half of the puzzle works, that thread will explain it in almost excrutiating detail. I recommend my patch over the other developers, as he is no longer with us and I will only be continuing support in my thread.
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-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
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Just cruise through my backup thread. Post 1 is an adb method, post 2 is the nandroid method. If you have any questions, post them in that thread and help us try to maintain some kind of order (hah!)
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So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton
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Honestly, don't ever worry about asking too many or too long of a question, as long as you don't post the question itself as a new thread in the development section of the MT4GS forums.
I'm sorry to hear it took such a bad experience for you to become as cautious as you are, but now that you're long past it you are much better off.
I'd much rather see someone ask questions, read some stuff, ask more questions, and then act on knowledge then just go and do and then say "I broke it, what do I do".
I'm happy to help either way, but if the information is there already then reading it before you start is much better then retroactively. Save the "how do I fix it" for uncharted territory learning things that aren't already common knowledge.
Again, part of the problem is that information is so convoluted because we keep adding to it as we learn new things. You can't really structure it before you know what it's going to be.
Myself and a few others have been trying to put effort into organizing things, but it's really a monumental task and i'd like to develop new things more so then catalogue what we already know. It's a crappy balance, but I try to put equal time to developing and organizing/answering questions.
I hope this helped you out some, I know I didn't completely cover it all but it should give you some things to chew on and help you sift through the data by spending more time on the relevant parts. Even then it's still a lot that you should know.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, one of the reasons I go into such depth is because people can correct me precisely where i'm wrong if I am about something.
You learn more when you're willing to admit you don't know something, then to pretend you do for whatever reason. Asking the right questions depends on being honest about what you do and don't know with yourself, so fire away.
I've got to get outside for a few minutes, then get back into coding, but someone else will come along and add to this soon enough.
Take care!

Well I definitely very much appreciate your prompt, and very detailed response to my many questions. I've been reading over what you've written plus the links over the past day. The main issue I have is digging through each thread looking for relevant information, while trying not to get sucked into each and every tangent post/link/info. I lost track of how many hours I've wasted reading irrelevant info which I initially thought actually had something to do with what I was after. And now a day later, I have my desk covered in reference notes (which are no longer comprehensible) and I'm more confused than I was before.
There are plenty of issues I have with forums in general. First of which being, organization seldom exists. Its like going into a library with a single question about 'how to change a tire', and leaving with 15 random, heavy books on quantum theory and black-matter, because apparently someone implied they were somehow related (I'm referring to other people, not you). Discouraging to say the least. I thought this would be more black-and-white; more simple. When 'Android' was new, rooting was simple (less ways to re-invent the wheel).
I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.

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I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Yes it is DEFINITELY worth it... Root away my friend and welcome to the MT4GS family. This phones kicks ass and we are expanding every day like wildfire
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I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.
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Hah, yea, XDA is like that all over - just the nature of the beast.
This is not the quick-answer type of home, yet from a developers point of view there is no better place on the internet for android/phone development information and help.
It really does all start here, and the journey of discovery is much more prized and worthwhile then the actual end result. In that respect the way XDA is, is the way it should be.
Sometimes the best way to come to grips with something is to forget about it for a little while. Let your mind work it over running in the background, and when you bring it back into focus you'll have a better hold on what you need, and what you still have to learn.
Again, feel free to ask any questions you may have and we'll do the best we can to get you set in the right direction.

Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???

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Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???
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not permanently. you'd have to temp-root every time you reboot.
Revolutionary is about the easiest way to root a phone in existence so I'm not sure why you're so scared... assuming you have adb working, it's literally as easy as plugging your phone in and opening a single file in the Revolutionary zip archive. everything is done for you. as long as you don't download their faulty recovery (it will ask you if you want to... just say no), it's literally the easiest rooting method available that I've ever seen.
don't make it too complicated. I certainly believe in having all of your bases covered, especially when it comes to potentially screwing up a $500 bundle of plastic, metal and silicone, but rooting is not a big deal anymore.
many people will tell you that they have received warranty replacements after sending in S-OFF/rooted phones. my best guess would be that HTC/Tmo randomly pick phones to "thoroughly check" and the majority don't receive this type of treatment.. and even if they find a rooted device, there's no telling whether or not they will deny your replacement.
I received a warranty replacement (faulty hardware buttons, the leds never turned off) for my gal's rooted MT4GS simply by installing the stock rom and recovery, but still with Revolutionary's hboot installed. No issues whatsoever. I'm not saying it's "right" and I'm not guaranteeing you the same result, just offering my first-hand experience.
here's how you can obtain perma-root and s-off in ~10 minutes. no complicated guides:
www.revolutionary.io
download installer, enter serial # to get your code.
open archive and find the installer... let it run.
when it's done, you'll be rooted and s-off with a custom hboot. say "no" to the download recovery option and manually flash the official CWM recovery, or modaco's 4.0.0.9 recovery image. (either should be fine, although roms are going to start coming out that may have issues with the 4.0.0.9 modaco recovery so cwm is probably your best bet)
if not being able to flip the S-OFF switch back to S-ON at this point is something you can't get over, this isn't for you. personally, I spent $500 on this phone and I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to it, and if TMO and HTC have a problem with that, I will happily take my business elsewhere.

Its not rooting that I'm worried about, its the possibility of having to do (yet another) warranty exchange and being caught sending back a warranty-void device. And since I just found out that my premium phone insurance extends my warranty for an indefinite amount of time, I imagine that i will undoubtedly be exchanging this phone sometime in the future. I can only hope that by then either the S-Off thing has been fixed or T-Mobile announces they no longer care. I can see both happening, honestly.
Rooting is going to be the easy part, if/when I decide to do it. The last things I havent yet figured out are:
-Which Rom(s) I'm going to try. When I compare most roms side by side, they all seem vaguely identical. I remember Cyanogen having the option of fully customized visual aspects/themes, as well as tons of settings/features that werent offered through other roms. But the problem with CM is that, as you said before, the several camera options/modes in the stock rom are not being used by CM. I'm looking for a rom that is, above all, stable; lightweight/fast; includes all camera features of stock rom; and if apps like gmaps wont be included, I'd like to be able to find something that is comparable, or even better if possible. If not, I really hope the market allows gmaps to be installed on a rooted device (a while back on my rooted phone, the install of gmaps would always fail) Also, you had mentioned that you were nearing completion of a Rom of your own, so I might read up on that as well.
-I read up on that article on micro sd cards regarding speed comparisons, so I ended up running the benchmark app on my pc and found that my SanDisk 8bg Class 4 was (apparently) faster than my currently used Samsung 16gb Class 2, which sucks cause I like having more space than I use. But anyways it got me thinking, I realize that speed is important for file-transfers and also running apps that have been moved to the sd, but I could have sworn I remember someone talking about how they had rooted and then installed their OS/Rom onto their SD card instead of the phone itself. I dont know if I read that wrong or not. And if that was accurate, then I want to know if there is truly any benefit from doing that or not.
-Also, in regards to sd cards, I remember last year when I had a rooted MT3G with Amon Ra's recovery, there was an option to throw in partitions. Almost everyone I talked with on here told me to add a partition. Then after a few updates to the recovery, I noticed new options in the partition section: Ext.2, Ext.3, and Ext.4 as well as the options to select the partition size and "swap" size. I never did understand what exactly the difference (if any) between "Ext.2, Ext. 4.... etc" was.
And as far as the "swap" size, I remember there being a LOT of debate over what exactly this number should be. Some people started suggesting outrageously high numbers, while others explicitly explained to not do that, because apparently the lower the number the faster it becomes. Ok, so if thats the basic concept, great. But I still never did find any reliable information regarding "swap" size.
So ya, those are the final questions/issues that have been bugging me. Any advice/help is greatly appreciated.

Bricked one phone.. Got replacement. Need Help

Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.

u payed for ur replacement? lol
use the one click flash nvidia tool, to flash the clockworkmod, you dont evne have to root it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG08Uc8pQT0

yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.

i think you screwed yourself on this one... this phone is like virtually unbrickable, nvflash should be able to bring you out of any soft bricks you might run into and ive run into a fair share of them and never had a problem...
i would recommend you sift though the development section and read all of the tutorials and have a very good understanding of what you are doing instead of having someone spoonfeed you everything when you really dont know what you are doing... (im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
start here though http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847

Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.

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(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.
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JHaste said:
(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!

Uhhhh... i really dont understand how i was being a ****... I simply stated that he should have a holistic understanding of what hes doing before he starts tinkering because the figure it out as you go method can lead to a 300 dollar paper weight. Not to mention I pointed him in the right direction to start....
All I did was give a bit of advice that I felt was in his best interest and then sent him on his way...
If you think what I originally posted was flaming then you clearly have never seen me tear somebody a new one lol

Dont worry man
sent from my Sensation XD

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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone.
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Cuz I thought what he said was funny and agreed. I didnt realize the average joe had the right to question peoples right to agree and post. Don't get self-righteous on us.
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ericalanMICHAEL said:
Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!
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They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.

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They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.
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^^this... root access to phones is not a hand out, it has to be earned, and you earn it by educating yourself about your device and its capabilities and by following simple instructions...

sabwjawdjw said:
yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.
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I can't believe no one has said this yet.
Most phones have water sensors, so dipping it in water would just void the warranty. Sorry if you were joking. But as many have said, it's pretty easy to flash the phone back to normal so the TMobile doesn't know it's been hacked. Did you ask here first?

I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.

I don't think anyone is upset with you. We're all here to contribute and help. Have fun with your rooted G2X

sabwjawdjw said:
Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.
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Don't feel bad. I bricked mine upgrading to GB, and I'm still not sure what went wrong. I got it fixed for free by sending it into LG.

sabwjawdjw said:
I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.
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Do not sweat the whiners. Here is the way I look at it... It is a forum for developers. I can not develop crap, so I try to do my part by being helpful when I can. Everyone here was brand new at one point. Make sure you do your part by reading as much as you can. If you still have questions/issues, send me a PM.

Why does every noob question get followed up with a bunch bullshizz. We were all noobs at one point, I remember when my Huawei ascend scared me. Nothing is worse than bricking your phone and being upset than a bunch of know it all asses being pricks. Is the g2x forum the only one full of d-ckheads? I've never heard so much whining and holier than thou bs. I'm surprised we have any devs, ungrateful bunch of *****es. Wah, nvidia never, wah, everyone else has ics, wah, that noob asked a question, wah, I suck. I love my g2x, it's a typical musclecar, way over powered and finicky as hell. The g2x is not a beginners device, this is for big boys and girls. I wonder what the whiners would do if they owned a ferrari? Newsflash, they break down, a lot! I remember when xda was where you went for help and support, now I come here to be entertained by the ignorance of the know it alls. Go ahead, blast me, I'm a writer for an Android website and I'll make it painful. OK, then, how bout all these new roms and updates? It's like the g2x is reborn. Hey, wait a minute, I thought the g2x was a useless, unsupported piece of ka ka? Frickin morons!
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium

Well first I am glad you were able to fix the phone however I understand knowledgeable people get frustrated because this phone is simple to root. With a phone that has been out this long there is no reason anyone can not find out what to do on there own.
There are so many YouTube videos and forums like this. You are not the second person to too your phone or to brick it so why create a new post looking for help when you can simply Google it. I know your lazy and expect someone else to do your work for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...9l19l0l3l3l0l1535l5020l1.0.3.0.2.2.1.0.1l10l0
See plenty of info on the subject I am sure one of these other people have been helped.
This is why devs are tired of these questions they have been answered over and over. You may find this mean to say but you most likely found this forum by using Google so use it to fix your phone. Stop wasting peoples time by being lazy and use your head.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium

The problem is this. Ppl dont know how to research their issue. Also ppl in our generation cant seem to follow directions worth ****. I was the same way. I learned on my g1. Rooted it successful and then bricked my friends. Over the years ive learned alot about computers/phone/cdma flashing. Playing with the big boys. You develop problem solving skills that you can apply outside of this. It truly makes you smarter. So yea. Maybe we are know it all asses.
sent from an HTC sensation on CM7 alpha #10

Little help needed please

I've spent way too many hours trying to root my Inspire 4g. I'm using the ace hack kit. Yes I've read the effen manual and yes I've searched the forum, along with google and other forums. I've rebooted, tried multiple times to run the hack kit, and it never makes it all the way through. I also tried the flash method. The phone now has busy box installed and fastboot shows up, however fastboot freezes and will not let me select recovery. Also, at the top it stills says S-ON. I realize it needs to say S-OFF, but I cannot find any way to correct it. It seems like the hack kit is not finishing the install each time I try it. I end up having to pull the battery. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Saleen777 said:
I've spent way too many hours trying to root my Inspire 4g. I'm using the ace hack kit. Yes I've read the effen manual and yes I've searched the forum, along with google and other forums. I've rebooted, tried multiple times to run the hack kit, and it never makes it all the way through. I also tried the flash method. The phone now has busy box installed and fastboot shows up, however fastboot freezes and will not let me select recovery. Also, at the top it stills says S-ON. I realize it needs to say S-OFF, but I cannot find any way to correct it. It seems like the hack kit is not finishing the install each time I try it. I end up having to pull the battery. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Here is your little help....go back and re-read the OP of the hack kit thread. You will see in that first post and also mentioned sseveral times on here that they have an IRC chat that is usually staffed at all times. Please read and ask them for help in the irc. We do not need 50 threads like this opened every week.
I got your 10 char right here
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I've tried a few times to access the IRC already. I have no idea how to use it. I looked up tutorials for it and I can't find one. Little help on how to chat?

Saleen777 said:
I've tried a few times to access the IRC already. I have no idea how to use it. I looked up tutorials for it and I can't find one. Little help on how to chat?
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If you need help with the chatroom and are looking up tutorials.. rooting your phone is next level stuff and you should stop now. I'm not trying to be a jerk but seriously the chatroom is as easy as entering any user name, typing the verification code and hitting go. Stop now before you destroy your phone.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App

I'm capable of working a computer. I created a user name, logged into the chat, yet I can't type or select anything. I'm running a mac is that a problem? I've tried safari and firefox. I just need a little help. So far people trying to talk like they are better than me or compare the size of their manhood doesn't exactly help. I asked a question in the correct location on the forum and all I'm looking for is some answers. If putting me down makes you feel "cool" then congrats. Thanks to anyone who would actually like to help me out a bit with the issue.

Saleen777 said:
I'm capable of working a computer. I created a user name, logged into the chat, yet I can't type or select anything. I'm running a mac is that a problem? I've tried safari and firefox. I just need a little help. So far people trying to talk like they are better than me or compare the size of their manhood doesn't exactly help. I asked a question in the correct location on the forum and all I'm looking for is some answers. If putting me down makes you feel "cool" then congrats. Thanks to anyone who would actually like to help me out a bit with the issue.
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Really? That's you're scathing retort, I'm just comparing manhood, thinking I'm better then you because I'm cool I have a rooted phone? Okay, you caught me? I confess. I'm sorry you got buttmad.
Let's start off with the basics, I notice you signed up in Feb 2011. That's about a year ago so I can understand you don't remember the rules you agreed to, which state you must search before opening a thread. I see your next comment coming, "but I did search, I stated I searched here and in other forums". O rly? I find it incredibly difficult to believe that you searched XDA and didn't come across a thread that pointed you to the IRC chatroom, because honestly that's where about 90% of these types of threads get referred to. That's the whole purpose for why Attn1 created it so that threads like this aren't created and that those who need help can get help immediately. Rooting is not a simple process, despite how easy Attn1 has made it, its also very easy to get jammed up. More times then not its user error from not reading enough. I'm willing to make that bet this is the case here as well since you didn't know there was an IRC chatroom, which is stated in the first post of the hack kit thread. It's laughable that this thread is going to turn into "please help me use the IRC chatroom".
BTW, I used the IRC chatroom a couple days ago using my Mac with no issue so its something you're doing or something your computer is doing, which is going to be pretty hard to diagnose from all the way over here.

Saleen777 said:
I've spent way too many hours trying to root my Inspire 4g. I'm using the ace hack kit. Yes I've read the effen manual and yes I've searched the forum, along with google and other forums. I've rebooted, tried multiple times to run the hack kit, and it never makes it all the way through. I also tried the flash method. The phone now has busy box installed and fastboot shows up, however fastboot freezes and will not let me select recovery. Also, at the top it stills says S-ON. I realize it needs to say S-OFF, but I cannot find any way to correct it. It seems like the hack kit is not finishing the install each time I try it. I end up having to pull the battery. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I agree with the guys here. Before moving into the rooting direction, you always have to make sure that in case anything goes wrong you will be able to fix it. It has nothing to do with being a man or anything, what Bacon tells you is that in order to succeed you need to know what you are doing. Anyway, and before you panic, my guess is that your SD card is not working properly. Try a different card and it will probably work. That same thing happened to me, and still happens when I boot into hboot. Seems, that the stock sdcard has some issues to be read in bootloader.
But again, you shouldn´t argue with the guys here, the are 100% right, you must ensure you will be able to achive your goal before doing anything at all....

well said bacon. makes me think of "i can drive a car so i must be able to build one" when you get people like this.
I knew nothing about rooting when i came here, had pages and pages bookmarked with reading material. the 'what ifs' for when things go wrong, any error code that the hack kit spit out i googled and most cases brought me to a tutorial thread here. best case tho is irc, if you need help using irc then like bacon said, rooting a phone is much harder because if you cant search for something you sure arent going to be very good playing in linux.

Darunion said:
well said bacon. makes me think of "i can drive a car so i must be able to build one" when you get people like this.
I knew nothing about rooting when i came here, had pages and pages bookmarked with reading material. the 'what ifs' for when things go wrong, any error code that the hack kit spit out i googled and most cases brought me to a tutorial thread here. best case tho is irc, if you need help using irc then like bacon said, rooting a phone is much harder because if you cant search for something you sure arent going to be very good playing in linux.
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hahahaha, agreed man. I understand that the OP has found himself in a frustrating position but while he says he searched and did the proper research, his actions say something different. We tell him where to look for the best advice possible and he can't figure out. This is a development site mixed with some help me and tutorial information but this isn't a hold my hand into the chatroom and explain how it works site.
Like you, I had no idea what I was doing at first..I believe Gene or CW gave me the best advice when I first started...Research better ya moron..come to think of it that sounds a lot like CW I keed I keeeed Chris, but seriously that comment has made the world of difference and the reason why I followed Chris to Absolution..the guy hasn't steered me wrong yet..except for the steelers. (too soon man?)

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hahahaha, agreed man. I understand that the OP has found himself in a frustrating position but while he says he searched and did the proper research, his actions say something different. We tell him where to look for the best advice possible and he can't figure out. This is a development site mixed with some help me and tutorial information but this isn't a hold my hand into the chatroom and explain how it works site.
Like you, I had no idea what I was doing at first..I believe Gene or CW gave me the best advice when I first started...Research better ya moron..come to think of it that sounds a lot like CW I keed I keeeed Chris, but seriously that comment has made the world of difference and the reason why I followed Chris to Absolution..the guy hasn't steered me wrong yet..except for the steelers. (too soon man?)
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Yup...that does sound like me. LMaO
Edit...just saw the Steelers comment.....
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MMM-BACONSTRIPS said:
hahahaha, agreed man. I understand that the OP has found himself in a frustrating position but while he says he searched and did the proper research, his actions say something different. We tell him where to look for the best advice possible and he can't figure out. This is a development site mixed with some help me and tutorial information but this isn't a hold my hand into the chatroom and explain how it works site.
Like you, I had no idea what I was doing at first..I believe Gene or CW gave me the best advice when I first started...Research better ya moron..come to think of it that sounds a lot like CW I keed I keeeed Chris, but seriously that comment has made the world of difference and the reason why I followed Chris to Absolution..the guy hasn't steered me wrong yet..except for the steelers. (too soon man?)
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ya exactly. Heck this phone is a year old, very VERY unlikely to have an issue that hasnt already been seen and posted at xda. I miss the old irc days, back when ya used to have your own custom mIRC scripts to kick people or welcome back messages lol

Damn another thread of the same thing ...
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Next tine we move the joking out of the main threads, let's link to it... Like I wanted to "search" for the steelers... Ugh. You boys drive me crazy...
you can't rain on my parade, I'm on the road to my fairytale!!!