Database Info

newbie about to buy viewsonic g tablet, questions, totall beginer here

so im about to do it. been wanting a tablet for some time and as nice as the xoom looks for 1/2 the price this make sense.
can a newbie root? i dont know the first thing about programming. ive searched the forums, and i see roms, and all these things i dont even know what they are. TNT programs, which sound not so newb friendly lol....and i want to know if there is a basic root that i may be able to follow. root for dummies is what im looking for.
and also, if i screw this up can i revert back to the original way this thing was?
sorta nervous to order and not use it to the fullest potential but seems like without rooting its not worth a crap.
i know probably asked 100 times, but ive searched and just cant find basic rooting 101 concepts. read the faqs - nothing so straight forward that i found.
thanks in advance. if i find the support i need here which seems likely im going to order the viewsonic shortly

First, welcome!
And then...
Start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This was the post that helped me the most. Have you rooted and installed new ROMs on Android devices before? It's not difficult, but does require that every last instruction is read. Twice. And look at posts about people "bricking" their tablets to see what they might have done wrong, or what they had to do to fix their problems. Don't worry about rooting; I've rooted a MyTouch 3g, a TMobile Vibrant and this tablet and it was the easiest by far. I'd like to say that the stock software sucks, but I can't. I purchased this tablet because I knew I would be rooting and ROMing and only had about ten minutes in the store and ten minutes at home with the original software. It wasn't horrible, but I do know that Vegan 5.1 flies and is very stable.
READ READ READ and search your face off for your problems before posting. Many people frown on oft asked questions here. I see a lot of people writing about how easy it is to search to get your answer, but I'm not a fan of the XDA search function for many reasons. So, Google is your friend. When searching Google, be sure to state your issue clearly and concisely, and in as few words as possible. Oh, but do include "XDA" in your search, or "site:forum.xda-developers.com" if you want to only search the XDA Developers forum.
Happy modding!

(1) We don't mind newbies, although it's nice if they actually respect the hard work of the people here by pressing the shift button to capitalize where appropriate. It would also be appreciated if they don't use run-on sentences.
(2) We highly recommend against modding for people like you. Just turn it on, update what viewsonic has for you, and everything will run just fine. We recommend you play with the gtab for a while before taking the plunge.
(3) You don't need to know programming to root. This thread will give you step by step instructions on how to do the essential things of modding. These instructions are so easy even a cave man could do it.
(4) That said, again, their stock rom + update should be good enough for someone like you. I have 2 gtabs. I've modded one and kept the other one as is. Trust me, it's more than sufficient for your needs.

thank u!!! im going to review that. now thats a detailed step by step which couldnt be answered easily but somehow seems doable for a newbie thanks. brings me closer to ordering.

I somehow doubt you read everything I said.

goodintentions said:
I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.

adampdx said:
Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.

goodintentions - I was thanking adampdx but appreciate your input as well. I read his reply and his link provided and at first glance it seemed helpful. With that said, I also appreciate you letting me know the stock VS GT is pretty good and perhaps I will leave it as is when I get it. People make it out to be like this thing is so unsable out of the box, which apparently isnt the case. I just want to be able to get to the market and download a few apps I like using on my droid pro phone, thats all. Additionally I will use capitals and try watching the run on sentences. I was just excited to post and get involved.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
(btw, trying to defuse the situation with a very bad attempt at a joke)

roebeet said:
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for a little comic relief.

adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.

Well, here is my thought on why people are giving it such bad reviews.
(1) They compared it to the ipad right out of the box. Yes, the stock UI isn't the greatest thing, but it's usable. And after the update, it should work just fine.
(2) People were expecting an ipad when they bought this device. This is why I've been repeating over and over that this ain't no ipad.
(3) People have money coming out of their ears, so they want the bests and greatests. The slightest disadvantage and they will make it sound like the tablet exploded or something.
(4) Which brings me to my next point. People like to exaggerate.
I've always been a simple person. I like to work with what I have. I also hate Apple products with a passion. I only own one Apple product. I got my ipod (30 gig one) as a gift years ago. I've been thinking for a while to look for something that is light weight so I could drag it along for work and other activities. My laptop seems like it weighs a ton some time. That said, after I've done the appropriate moddings and installed the apps I wanted, the viewsonic gtab seems like a dream come true for me. It works incredibly fast. I didn't buy this thing to watch videos and listen to music. I have my tv and ipod for that. That said, I really think viewsonic is sitting on top of a goldmine with this device. I don't know why they haven't done more to publicize it.

K J Rad said:
+1
Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker and someone who's just lazy. I'm a non-native english speaker. In another thread, I mentioned that I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv. I wasn't kidding.
adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, I apologize if what I said offended some people. But what I stated was a fact. Because of all the exaggerated reviews of how god-aweful the stock UI and screen are, average people get the wrong idea. They feel that they have to mod the device the moment they get their hands on it.
All I'm suggesting people do is give the updated stock rom a chance. Give it a few days before they decide to take the plunge. There's really no prettier way to say it.

goodintentions said:
Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.

adampdx said:
There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good job for picking that up, considering I was born and grew up in eastern Asia... nice going with the nitpick.

You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.

goodintentions, your making the xda forums look bad.

adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wait, hang on. So, joking is racist? You mean you can't tell the difference between a joke and a racist comment? Is this, like, the twilight zone where noone has any common sense at all?
Look, I'm not asking for perfect composition to be published in academia here. but towrite somthin without regard to how it loks to the people your asking for help looks like you dont care for their eeffort s and your just passing buy. its also had to understand runon sentences and... suc

adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Tomorrow's XDA headline --- "Wooters bring down XDA".
I need to take my Woot-Off lights out soon, perhaps?

Rooting services on craigslist

Has anyone used these that are adverstised on craigslist? I am to much of a noob to try any rooting process other that a one click so i thought maybe i should let a "pro" do it. I was just wondering if anyone has had negative experiences

microdot said:
Has anyone used these that are adverstised on craigslist? I am to much of a noob to try any rooting process other that a one click so i thought maybe i should let a "pro" do it. I was just wondering if anyone has had negative experiences
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
honestly dont.
Its not worth any cost they charge to root your phone. I did a one click method for Droid og, and a three click process for thunderbolt. They work fine, and I know there is a debate on auto or manual root, regardless they both work.
I was like you when I first rooted my droid and was scared of bricking the phone etc. If you follow the steps and just go slow and make sure you have everything downloaded properly, rooting is easy.

What three step process are you refering too? I looked at this post ..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 which seems to be the method you have to do after that ota update and do be honest that is way over my head.
What about the one click method posted on droid life not too long ago.
.http://www.droid-life.com/2011/03/26/another-one-click-root-method-available-for-htc-thunderbolt/
..would that work?

microdot said:
Has anyone used these that are adverstised on craigslist? I am to much of a noob to try any rooting process other that a one click so i thought maybe i should let a "pro" do it. I was just wondering if anyone has had negative experiences
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We were all noobs at once. read up and Get R done. You can do it.

I did a 3 click method as well. It was before the ota so I can't speak for that link. It was more involved than the unrevoked program for Dinc but it wasn't hard and the best part is iit includes all the adb drivers and files in one neat. Exe

microdot said:
Has anyone used these that are adverstised on craigslist? I am to much of a noob to try any rooting process other that a one click so i thought maybe i should let a "pro" do it. I was just wondering if anyone has had negative experiences
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude. the method is not hard at ALL. it is all literally copy paste.. if you are too retarded to do that, then dont root your phone at all...

ddarvish said:
dude. the method is not hard at ALL. it is all literally copy paste.. if you are too retarded to do that, then dont root your phone at all...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That was a little harsh. You were a noob once too, so cut the OP some slack.
Back to topic. I have never used a craigslist ad for rooting & I don't know anyone that has, so I can't vouch for it. But rooting your own phone is the best way to make sure you don't get scammed. Plus, you won't have to rely on someone else every time you get a new phone. Rooting the Tbolt is not hard, you just gotta read everything you can find about it beforehand. If you're still unsure after reading xda forums, watch some youtube demos. If you MUST rely on someone else to root, I would get a knowledgeable friend or coworker to do it before contacting some guy from craigslist. A friend would do it for free, anyway
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

Rooting services on Craigslist? You must be thinking of Craigslist Australia.

Nah, I see jailbreaking/rooting ads on houston craigslist all the time. Actually its proly an easy way to make some cash, but I personally wouldn't pay anyone to jack with my phone
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

Whoosh.....

mike.s said:
Whoosh.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol... Anyways, to the op... Rooting is really not that difficult if you just do your homework and follow directions to a tee. I would never allow some random dude on Craigslist to even touch my phone. What would you do if you came across a problem (which eventually you will) and had no idea how to fix it because you couldn't even root your own phone? My suggestion would be to study up and use the manual root method with adb. You will benefit the most from this and learn a lot along the way. Just don't pay somebody else to do of for you, its not that difficult.

I'll root your phone for free. Don't expect it back though. :$
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

just watch a you tube video

My friend paid like 20 bucks through paypal to root his Evo Supersonic. It was through one of those cell phone shops.. It worked for him but you should just learn to do it yourself cause you are going to eventually need to learn how to do all this stuff for yourself.

ddarvish said:
dude. the method is not hard at ALL. it is all literally copy paste.. if you are too retarded to do that, then dont root your phone at all...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for everyones input. I wont go the craigslist way and just do my homework like suggested. Maybe some dev comes up with a one click method for the ota version
Ddarvis...why so hostile? Did that post make you feel like a big boy? Did you have your big boy pants on? Do you wake up in the mornin' and say, "I'm puttin on my big boy pants. Look, I'm wearin' a belt. I got big boy pants on

The problem with letting someone root your phone is you don't learn how to use the necessary tools to flash roms, themes, create backups and the like. You don't grasp the concept of what could go wrong and what will go wrong.
The biggest thing to know is not how to root your phone but how to fix it when it breaks.
sent from a sweet paper weight.

ibsk8 said:
The problem with letting someone root your phone is you don't learn how to use the necessary tools to flash roms, themes, create backups and the like. You don't grasp the concept of what could go wrong and what will go wrong.
The biggest thing to know is not how to root your phone but how to fix it when it breaks.
sent from a sweet paper weight.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
If I had easy rooted and not taken the time to learn my way around ADB I would have a brick right now. I douched up while I was upgrading to the new Gingersense radio and knowing my way around ADB saved my ass. If you root without knowing what is going on you are asking for a very expensive mistake.

I have to agree with sublimaze... I too see these posts in Houston. This is my first Android and in the beginning, I too was nervous about root process. The 3 click method is actually really easy as long as you take your time and be careful. I went from knowing nothing to rooting 4 tbolts and bringing mine back from a frozen splash screen. Just read man, ask questions and be careful. Not all of us will flame you for asking questions. Good luck bro.

bking_soda said:
I have to agree with sublimaze... I too see these posts in Houston. This is my first Android and in the beginning, I too was nervous about root process. The 3 click method is actually really easy as long as you take your time and be careful. I went from knowing nothing to rooting 4 tbolts and bringing mine back from a frozen splash screen. Just read man, ask questions and be careful. Not all of us will flame you for asking questions. Good luck bro.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, i will def study and only do it then when i am comfortable that i have it down. I cant afford any mistakes. Bking_soda, mind if i pm you with question when that time comes. Having done 4 tbolts you are obviously an expert

Definitly worth learning to do yourself, keep in mind there will be mistakes as you go forward, yes it is possible to brick your phone but very hard to a do. Read read read and when you think you have it figured out read some more. The more you do yourself the more you'll understand when you do get a bad flash what you need to do. Dont worry It can almost always be recovered. And most of the smart people in these forums will help and not flame you for asking for it.

Annoyed with HTC inspire

If there is anyone out there can help me root my HTC inspire 4g. I tried everything and nothing is working. I just want to get rid of these useless apps and better battery life cause right now this phone is useless. Please help
cesimoneaux

Read the sticky in General. It has vids and all the informatiomn you need.

Best thing I can tell you, before you get flamed for that post, is read. Also, you need to be more specific with your issue. If you want someone to hand hold you through the process, your probably not going to find the help you are looking for. Reading and searching are your friends. I am not being mean in anyway. People have gotten flamed in the past for a post like that. First, you didn't say if you've already searched. Second, you mention very little detail of your problem. Third, you don't mention which rooting method you are using and where you are in the process. Just on the last point alone, I think you are trying to have someone walk you through the process. In which case, you don't need to root if you won't take the time to read, read, and read again, and try the process yourself. Not trying to jump on ya, just from your post it seems like you are not even trying to help yourself first. If you have a genuine issue, please, give us more detail to make an effort to help you.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App

tweaked said:
Read the sticky in General. It has vids and all the informatiomn you need.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App

cesimoneaux said:
If there is anyone out there can help me root my HTC inspire 4g. I tried everything and nothing is working. I just want to get rid of these useless apps and better battery life cause right now this phone is useless. Please help
cesimoneaux
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So... The phone is useless as it is? Why would you buy a useless phone?
Because you didnt discover it was useless until it was too late, like, after 31 days of having it?
Don't blame the phone for your inability to do what 90% of the people in these sections of XDA managed to do just fine.
Now, maybe you should go do a little reading.
Then, if, after you've made an honest attempt to figure it out using the plethora of resources at your disposal here, you still run into problems, and are willing to provide a little more insight into the nature of your specific problem, people might be a bit more willing to lend a hand.
Good luck!

Man rooting an inspire is not that hard. You just need to follow directions. Read up on the root methods available watch the videos choose your preferred method read the tutorial and watch the video AGAIN then do it. 99% of the time it will work. I used the hack kit But ive heard bubbys works great too. My inspire was rooted 20 mins after I got it. But I read and watched the videos long before it arrived. It really isnt something you should just decide to do on a whim. You should really understand the process and what each individual step does before attempting.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium App

Scott_S said:
So... The phone is useless as it is? Why would you buy a useless phone?
Because you didnt discover it was useless until it was too late, like, after 31 days of having it?
Don't blame the phone for your inability to do what 90% of the people in these sections of XDA managed to do just fine.
Now, maybe you should go do a little reading.
Then, if, after you've made an honest attempt to figure it out using the plethora of resources at your disposal here, you still run into problems, and are willing to provide a little more insight into the nature of your specific problem, people might be a bit more willing to lend a hand.
Good luck!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh geeze, here we go, everyone here at xda is omnipitant, not everone knows every aspect of this site, if he/she doesnt know how to root why would you expect them to know where/how to search and what to read if they did, some people do deserve a break hes just frustrated.

oxlong27 said:
Man rooting an inspire is not that hard. You just need to follow directions. Read up on the root methods available watch the videos choose your preferred method read the tutorial and watch the video AGAIN then do it. 99% of the time it will work. I used the hack kit But ive heard bubbys works great too. My inspire was rooted 20 mins after I got it. But I read and watched the videos long before it arrived. It really isnt something you should just decide to do on a whim. You should really understand the process and what each individual step does before attempting.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hes right,
The main part of being successful with these devices is everything he said, you really shoud read,read,watch whatever it takes to be totally sure about the process. You must be very careful if its your first time, and at the same time, ive learned, you cant let it intimedate you, it will be much harder and that much easier to mess up. If you do all these things and are still not sure or dont feel right about doing it, find somone close to you that can.

BAleR said:
Oh geeze, here we go, everyone here at xda is omnipitant, not everone knows every aspect of this site, if he/she doesnt know how to root why would you expect them to know where/how to search and what to read if they did, some people do deserve a break hes just frustrated.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, for one thing, if by "omnipitant" you mean *omnipotent*, then you probably *really* meant *omniscient*, so I understand what you meant. I think.
What I don't understand, however, is why you think that someone who doesn't know how to root shouldn't be expected to know how to search for information about rooting.
Perhaps you might better explain to me your logic?

Ok, your right. I should have been more direct.
By "omnipotent" i ment -all knowing.
My point is. People will never stop asking for help on this site, it will just never happen, nor will they ever stop being ignorant, ie. Not reading enough not following directions. I understand it gets old, but its one thing if hes new, its another if this is the 5th time hes been told. I just think you took the wrong approach at teaching him, there is such a thing as positive reinforcement, hes already frustrated, treating him like hes an idiot will get us all no where, well, most of us. We were all new at some point or another
Now, what does not seem even a tad bit logical to me is, getting offended over a damn cell phone

BAleR said:
Ok, your right. I should have been more direct.
By "omnipotent" i ment -all knowing.
My point is. People will never stop asking for help on this site, it will just never happen, nor will they ever stop being ignorant, ie. Not reading enough not following directions. I understand it gets old, but its one thing if hes new, its another if this is the 5th time hes been told. I just think you took the wrong approach at teaching him, there is such a thing as positive reinforcement, hes already frustrated, treating him like hes an idiot will get us all no where, well, most of us. We were all new at some point or another
Now, what does not seem even a tad bit logical to me is, getting offended over a damn cell phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alright, now that I understand what you are saying a bit better, I agree, people won't ever stop asking for help, or being ignorant.
And as long as I have this phone and am otherwise able to, I won't ever stop helping people. . . but not if they post out of frustration, *expecting people here on XDA to be "omniscient"*, knowing exactly how to fix their problem with only the vaguest of details provided.
Posting when pissed is about as productive as blogging while drunk.
And, the op insulted my phone. NO ONE talks **** about my phone...

Scott_S said:
Alright, now that I understand what you are saying a bit better, I agree, people won't ever stop asking for help, or being ignorant.
And as long as I have this phone and am otherwise able to, I won't ever stop helping people. . . but not if they post out of frustration, *expecting people here on XDA to be "omniscient"*, knowing exactly how to fix their problem with only the vaguest of details provided.
Posting when pissed is about as productive as blogging while drunk.
And, the op insulted my phone. NO ONE talks **** about my phone...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Think of him as an infant, a new born. He doesnt know any better. I dont think he posted out of frustration, i think it is more of a cry for help.
but besides all that, hopefully we've all learned something today. I know I have.
For years i've thought i knew what "omnipotent" means lol! Learn somethin knew everyday.

Scott_S said:
Alright, now that I understand what you are saying a bit better, I agree, people won't ever stop asking for help, or being ignorant.
And as long as I have this phone and am otherwise able to, I won't ever stop helping people. . . but not if they post out of frustration, *expecting people here on XDA to be "omniscient"*, knowing exactly how to fix their problem with only the vaguest of details provided.
Posting when pissed is about as productive as blogging while drunk.
And, the op insulted my phone. NO ONE talks **** about my phone...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Scott has always been helpful to me. And I have always seen him helpful to others that have made the effort to learn and couldn't figure something out. There's a reason his thanks meter is at 52.

BAleR said:
Think of him as an infant, a new born. He doesnt know any better. I dont think he posted out of frustration, i think it is more of a cry for help.
but besides all that, hopefully we've all learned something today. I know I have.
For years i've thought i knew what "omnipotent" means lol! Learn somethin knew everyday.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sad thing is though if he searched he would have seen everyone else getting flamed for this exact same question and type of post. Then he would have known better and how to ask the question and seek help. And Scott I'm going to make a damn sticky on how to search. This they didn't know how to search and cant get past the clutter thing isn't an excuse.

coming from the droid incredible and hero before it.. the inspire is alittle more difficult to root. but if u say take 30 mins out of your day its not that bad.. just stay focused and read and go slow and you will be on your way..

Carlrobling said:
Scott has always been helpful to me. And I have always seen him helpful to others that have made the effort to learn and couldn't figure something out. There's a reason his thanks meter is at 52.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. Likewise....
My jaw hit the floor yesterday when I visited the browser version of the site and saw that 52.
Last time I checked it was like at 16 or something.
Using the XDA app really isolates a person, I guess.

BAleR said:
Think of him as an infant, a new born. He doesnt know any better. I dont think he posted out of frustration, i think it is more of a cry for help.
but besides all that, hopefully we've all learned something today. I know I have.
For years i've thought i knew what "omnipotent" means lol! Learn somethin knew everyday.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I get what your saying, but I still wouldn't let an infant try to root a phone.
That water damage indicator wouldn't look so good afterwards.

Scott_S said:
I get what your saying, but I still wouldn't let an infant try to root a phone.
That water damage indicator wouldn't look so good afterwards.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What he is saying is retarded. You did nothing wrong. noobs are expected to read. End of story. If they do not and post anyways, then they should be subject to the redicule that comes with such a blatently assinine posting. Baler is wrong to call anyone out... .. I have the feeling I would find a noobish post by him and the routing there of; If I dug through his postings. Least it would explain his stance. But alas, I care not. Scotts one of the most helpfull nice peeps here.

I wasnt saying he is a bad guy, or hes wrong, it just looked to me like he was jumping on the guy. Now you guys know him alot more than I do, I even think hes helped me with a few things, one or two of those thanks are prolly from me. but if everyone really feels this way, ill prolly stop defending noobs then, unless its worth the time.

BAleR said:
I wasnt saying he is a bad guy, or hes wrong, it just looked to me like he was jumping on the guy. Now you guys know him alot more than I do, I even think hes helped me with a few things, one or two of those thanks are prolly from me. but if everyone really feels this way, ill prolly stop defending noobs then, unless its worth the time.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It probably looked like I was jumping on the guy because I was. A little. Thin skins don't do well, here, though.
There's nothing wrong with defending someone, when appropriate, I've done it I think, maybe a total of 3 or 4 times, all cases where a user was unfairly blamed for something or was made to feel like they weren't a worthwhile contributor or called a name because they weren't able to answer someone's question to their satisfaction.
All I'm saying is that XDA is less noob-centric than other forums. That's not to say noobs shouldn't come here to learn...I lost my basic noobness here (and I say basic, 'cause I don't know half the **** some people here do) ... Just that there's an expectation to fulfill some prerequisite familiarization with one's device, and to be at least a little proficient in problem-solving on one's own before posting.

[Q] extreme noob... need help

I am hoping I can get step by step instructions so I can put custom roms on my HTC sensation. Do I need a new radio? S-off? Recovery? I'm a little scared but I definitely want the most out of my phone. Please be as detailed as possible and please don't assume I know anything. Thank you for your time, info, and patience.

Search. Read. There's like 10 posts like this every day.
There is a detailed sticky in the development section.
I mean seriously what more do u want? If ur scared don't do it.
Sent from my SENSATIONal 4G using Xda App.

Really? Don't think that was necessary. I'm just trying to get detailed instructions. Ive searched and read. Most posts are very nice but they assume you know the basics. Just want an "front to back" if possible.

Dude seriously, there is a guide just for noobs if you search. Nobody is gonna flash it for you son.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App

The guide is as detailed as possible, what else do you need? How to press a button? How long to press it?
Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA Premium App

Wow... never mind. I have looked and looked and maybe I just haven't came across the right post. I'm trying people. Forgive me for being ignorant I guess. Guess saying please and thank you is no longer appreciated. Forget it. Geez...

joshnaomi said:
Wow... never mind. I have looked and looked and maybe I just haven't came across the right post. I'm trying people. Forgive me for being ignorant I guess. Guess saying please and thank you is no longer appreciated. Forget it. Geez...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You asked a question which is answered at least once or twice everyday, what do you expect? On top of that there's a sticky thread on the development section which only needs copy and pasting.
Sent from my own custom Rom for sensation. 200mb free :3

2 PEOPLE JUST TOLD U WHERE TO FIND THE THREAD! ARE U SERIOUS.?!?!?
Sent from my SENSATIONal 4G using Xda App.

There is a link in the development section. I followed it and did everything in about 1-2 hours. Good luck. I found that the biggest hurdle in the process was my computer detecting the phone. So if you need drivers go download the HTC Sync.

I am in need of a guide on how to go pee in the toilet in my house. Any help?
Any way, here is a good idea. If there is something that you are having a hard time understanding. Like the meaning of a word. Let's take for instance the word s-off. All you have to do is open a browser and type in Google. What is s-off. You will get a definition for it. So, go to the sticky in the forums that explains how to root and
ROM your cell. And open a separate browser and use it to understand the words that you are having a hard time knowing. I had a problem in the beginning also. I am the type of person that needs to know why and how instead of just doing what the directions plainly spell out for us. It's not that I couldn't do it without knowing why things are the way that they are. I just needed the comfort of the knowledge behind it all. And now, I am desperately trying to figure out how to become a developer. All while raising a family and working ridiculous hours. But, I have a so called smart phone. And a tablet. So, basically I have a plethora of knowledge at my finger tips at almost any time. You have to understand some people's frustration with these questions. It gets dauntingly overwhelming more and more every day. The forums are not welfare. They are not something to be taken lightly. And we are never to expect that everything should be handed to us. If some one here was to explain in absolute detail and hold your hand through the entire process. You would not learn much and you would not get the most out of your phone. You can only get the most out of it when you feel the satisfaction of knowing that you put some real time into getting it to work just so for your needs. Otherwise, you will truly not appreciate it. Also, if hand holding went on every day, then it would become an expectation of every other no dev that they deserve help. Kind of like the majority of life long welfare recipients. They get offended when it gets taken away and they feel entitled to it. I know, because I know some one that views it that way. Because things have been handed to them almost all there life. It's not cool. Now, go and read until you are confident that you can do this. It truly is a very easy thing. It seems overwhelming. But when you look back, you will say to turn self. Realty? I actually tried to get people to help me to do this? You will feel ashamed. But at the same time you will feel accomplished and will be able to possibly give back to the community in some way. Any way, that is just how I see it.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

If you put that much energy into being helpful as you just did being a jerk, maybe people like me would see how easy it really is. I've successfully flashed roms on my hd2, im just a little intimidated by the whole s-off thing so bite me. Thanks xdalite for being civilized. To everyone else, I'm a woman who is slightly hesitant to risk bricking a $400 phone. I realize everyone takes that risk, but because I only know how to do it one way, I wanted comments that were directed toward me and not on a general post. I'm not an idiot. Forgive the little people, oh wise ones.

MAn just click the Link in my signature and get to the guide. ITS NOOB PROOF!
I apologise on behalf of other users . everyone was a noob once, android, what the hell is android??? that what i said exactly 10 months ago. never used it before that, ive come a long way now!
If you follow the guide, the risks are very minimal.
Whatever u do, do not do step 5 of the guide, there is a risk of bricking, i semi-bricked but recovered.
steps 1 - 4 of my guide
i have yet to find someone who has bricked it using those steps, and i dont think u will be the first either

Thank you so very much. I'm going to try it today. Seriously ... thanks so much.

Jaytronics said:
I am in need of a guide on how to go pee in the toilet in my house. Any help?
Any way, here is a good idea. If there is something that you are having a hard time understanding. Like the meaning of a word. Let's take for instance the word s-off. All you have to do is open a browser and type in Google. What is s-off. You will get a definition for it. So, go to the sticky in the forums that explains how to root and
ROM your cell. And open a separate browser and use it to understand the words that you are having a hard time knowing. I had a problem in the beginning also. I am the type of person that needs to know why and how instead of just doing what the directions plainly spell out for us. It's not that I couldn't do it without knowing why things are the way that they are. I just needed the comfort of the knowledge behind it all. And now, I am desperately trying to figure out how to become a developer. All while raising a family and working ridiculous hours. But, I have a so called smart phone. And a tablet. So, basically I have a plethora of knowledge at my finger tips at almost any time. You have to understand some people's frustration with these questions. It gets dauntingly overwhelming more and more every day. The forums are not welfare. They are not something to be taken lightly. And we are never to expect that everything should be handed to us. If some one here was to explain in absolute detail and hold your hand through the entire process. You would not learn much and you would not get the most out of your phone. You can only get the most out of it when you feel the satisfaction of knowing that you put some real time into getting it to work just so for your needs. Otherwise, you will truly not appreciate it. Also, if hand holding went on every day, then it would become an expectation of every other no dev that they deserve help. Kind of like the majority of life long welfare recipients. They get offended when it gets taken away and they feel entitled to it. I know, because I know some one that views it that way. Because things have been handed to them almost all there life. It's not cool. Now, go and read until you are confident that you can do this. It truly is a very easy thing. It seems overwhelming. But when you look back, you will say to turn self. Realty? I actually tried to get people to help me to do this? You will feel ashamed. But at the same time you will feel accomplished and will be able to possibly give back to the community in some way. Any way, that is just how I see it.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you so much. I know it has to be frustrating for everyone when noobs ask questions over and over and i get it, but trust me, its not laziness or ignorance, its just the will to be thorough and informed just as you mentioned. Thanks again.

You are your own worst enemy...

Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...

kingston73 said:
Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yep man...it is very boring to say thousand of time the same thing! well but no one can change it...unfortunately

While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware

c19932 said:
While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is so true. Some of the instructions are missing steps that you need to complete before you even start. And this board is MASSIVE in size, so finding the right info for your device might sometimes be tricky.

its because people are too impatient

Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.

sshede said:
Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.

Been that way for a long time, buddy. Never gonna change.
It would be nice if duplicate questions, cases of user error, etc. were deleted. But that would be way too much work.

I don't know who keeps on rating a 1 and tagging threads with useless tags just because he can but whoever you are, you should realize that this is a public forum. If the topic doesn't concern you, move along. I bet that this is the same guy that put a 1 rating on our Sensation on PH thread.
Get a life buddy. You have way too much free time on your hands.

darkmantra said:
I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree on 70% on what you said, but....
A COMPLETE noob will not be able to know what those "common sense steps" mean. Nor will he know which terms and which threads apply to his process of flashing, nor which information to look for. He will follow the instructions to the letter, get stuck and then get frustrated when people jump on him and tell him he should've known he had to do this and that before starting.
So, of course he will be confused and ask questions on this forum, EVEN IF the information is available in thread #898761, page 46, post #197.
But yes, I agree. Most of the instructions are solid and most of them tell you to go to a specific thread if you don't know what something means. But not all.

Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!

Vipeout said:
Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes the main thing is people should really learn to use the search bar at the top of every page. Its my best friend and has saved me when I got into a boot loop. Also if, for any reason whatsoever, you feel like your about to brick your phone by flashing a rom or a kernel or whatever, DONT DO IT. Plain and simple. DONT DO IT. You shouldn't be rooting if you don't hold the confidence to flash a kernel or rom and know your phone won't brick.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App