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newbie about to buy viewsonic g tablet, questions, totall beginer here

so im about to do it. been wanting a tablet for some time and as nice as the xoom looks for 1/2 the price this make sense.
can a newbie root? i dont know the first thing about programming. ive searched the forums, and i see roms, and all these things i dont even know what they are. TNT programs, which sound not so newb friendly lol....and i want to know if there is a basic root that i may be able to follow. root for dummies is what im looking for.
and also, if i screw this up can i revert back to the original way this thing was?
sorta nervous to order and not use it to the fullest potential but seems like without rooting its not worth a crap.
i know probably asked 100 times, but ive searched and just cant find basic rooting 101 concepts. read the faqs - nothing so straight forward that i found.
thanks in advance. if i find the support i need here which seems likely im going to order the viewsonic shortly

First, welcome!
And then...
Start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This was the post that helped me the most. Have you rooted and installed new ROMs on Android devices before? It's not difficult, but does require that every last instruction is read. Twice. And look at posts about people "bricking" their tablets to see what they might have done wrong, or what they had to do to fix their problems. Don't worry about rooting; I've rooted a MyTouch 3g, a TMobile Vibrant and this tablet and it was the easiest by far. I'd like to say that the stock software sucks, but I can't. I purchased this tablet because I knew I would be rooting and ROMing and only had about ten minutes in the store and ten minutes at home with the original software. It wasn't horrible, but I do know that Vegan 5.1 flies and is very stable.
READ READ READ and search your face off for your problems before posting. Many people frown on oft asked questions here. I see a lot of people writing about how easy it is to search to get your answer, but I'm not a fan of the XDA search function for many reasons. So, Google is your friend. When searching Google, be sure to state your issue clearly and concisely, and in as few words as possible. Oh, but do include "XDA" in your search, or "site:forum.xda-developers.com" if you want to only search the XDA Developers forum.
Happy modding!

(1) We don't mind newbies, although it's nice if they actually respect the hard work of the people here by pressing the shift button to capitalize where appropriate. It would also be appreciated if they don't use run-on sentences.
(2) We highly recommend against modding for people like you. Just turn it on, update what viewsonic has for you, and everything will run just fine. We recommend you play with the gtab for a while before taking the plunge.
(3) You don't need to know programming to root. This thread will give you step by step instructions on how to do the essential things of modding. These instructions are so easy even a cave man could do it.
(4) That said, again, their stock rom + update should be good enough for someone like you. I have 2 gtabs. I've modded one and kept the other one as is. Trust me, it's more than sufficient for your needs.

thank u!!! im going to review that. now thats a detailed step by step which couldnt be answered easily but somehow seems doable for a newbie thanks. brings me closer to ordering.

I somehow doubt you read everything I said.

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I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
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Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.

adampdx said:
Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.

goodintentions - I was thanking adampdx but appreciate your input as well. I read his reply and his link provided and at first glance it seemed helpful. With that said, I also appreciate you letting me know the stock VS GT is pretty good and perhaps I will leave it as is when I get it. People make it out to be like this thing is so unsable out of the box, which apparently isnt the case. I just want to be able to get to the market and download a few apps I like using on my droid pro phone, thats all. Additionally I will use capitals and try watching the run on sentences. I was just excited to post and get involved.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
(btw, trying to defuse the situation with a very bad attempt at a joke)

roebeet said:
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
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Thanks for a little comic relief.

adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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+1
Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.

Well, here is my thought on why people are giving it such bad reviews.
(1) They compared it to the ipad right out of the box. Yes, the stock UI isn't the greatest thing, but it's usable. And after the update, it should work just fine.
(2) People were expecting an ipad when they bought this device. This is why I've been repeating over and over that this ain't no ipad.
(3) People have money coming out of their ears, so they want the bests and greatests. The slightest disadvantage and they will make it sound like the tablet exploded or something.
(4) Which brings me to my next point. People like to exaggerate.
I've always been a simple person. I like to work with what I have. I also hate Apple products with a passion. I only own one Apple product. I got my ipod (30 gig one) as a gift years ago. I've been thinking for a while to look for something that is light weight so I could drag it along for work and other activities. My laptop seems like it weighs a ton some time. That said, after I've done the appropriate moddings and installed the apps I wanted, the viewsonic gtab seems like a dream come true for me. It works incredibly fast. I didn't buy this thing to watch videos and listen to music. I have my tv and ipod for that. That said, I really think viewsonic is sitting on top of a goldmine with this device. I don't know why they haven't done more to publicize it.

K J Rad said:
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Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker and someone who's just lazy. I'm a non-native english speaker. In another thread, I mentioned that I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv. I wasn't kidding.
adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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Well, I apologize if what I said offended some people. But what I stated was a fact. Because of all the exaggerated reviews of how god-aweful the stock UI and screen are, average people get the wrong idea. They feel that they have to mod the device the moment they get their hands on it.
All I'm suggesting people do is give the updated stock rom a chance. Give it a few days before they decide to take the plunge. There's really no prettier way to say it.

goodintentions said:
Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker...
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There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.

adampdx said:
There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
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Good job for picking that up, considering I was born and grew up in eastern Asia... nice going with the nitpick.

You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.

goodintentions, your making the xda forums look bad.

adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
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Wait, hang on. So, joking is racist? You mean you can't tell the difference between a joke and a racist comment? Is this, like, the twilight zone where noone has any common sense at all?
Look, I'm not asking for perfect composition to be published in academia here. but towrite somthin without regard to how it loks to the people your asking for help looks like you dont care for their eeffort s and your just passing buy. its also had to understand runon sentences and... suc

adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
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hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Tomorrow's XDA headline --- "Wooters bring down XDA".
I need to take my Woot-Off lights out soon, perhaps?

[Q] extreme noob... need help

I am hoping I can get step by step instructions so I can put custom roms on my HTC sensation. Do I need a new radio? S-off? Recovery? I'm a little scared but I definitely want the most out of my phone. Please be as detailed as possible and please don't assume I know anything. Thank you for your time, info, and patience.

Search. Read. There's like 10 posts like this every day.
There is a detailed sticky in the development section.
I mean seriously what more do u want? If ur scared don't do it.
Sent from my SENSATIONal 4G using Xda App.

Really? Don't think that was necessary. I'm just trying to get detailed instructions. Ive searched and read. Most posts are very nice but they assume you know the basics. Just want an "front to back" if possible.

Dude seriously, there is a guide just for noobs if you search. Nobody is gonna flash it for you son.
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The guide is as detailed as possible, what else do you need? How to press a button? How long to press it?
Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA Premium App

Wow... never mind. I have looked and looked and maybe I just haven't came across the right post. I'm trying people. Forgive me for being ignorant I guess. Guess saying please and thank you is no longer appreciated. Forget it. Geez...

joshnaomi said:
Wow... never mind. I have looked and looked and maybe I just haven't came across the right post. I'm trying people. Forgive me for being ignorant I guess. Guess saying please and thank you is no longer appreciated. Forget it. Geez...
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You asked a question which is answered at least once or twice everyday, what do you expect? On top of that there's a sticky thread on the development section which only needs copy and pasting.
Sent from my own custom Rom for sensation. 200mb free :3

2 PEOPLE JUST TOLD U WHERE TO FIND THE THREAD! ARE U SERIOUS.?!?!?
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There is a link in the development section. I followed it and did everything in about 1-2 hours. Good luck. I found that the biggest hurdle in the process was my computer detecting the phone. So if you need drivers go download the HTC Sync.

I am in need of a guide on how to go pee in the toilet in my house. Any help?
Any way, here is a good idea. If there is something that you are having a hard time understanding. Like the meaning of a word. Let's take for instance the word s-off. All you have to do is open a browser and type in Google. What is s-off. You will get a definition for it. So, go to the sticky in the forums that explains how to root and
ROM your cell. And open a separate browser and use it to understand the words that you are having a hard time knowing. I had a problem in the beginning also. I am the type of person that needs to know why and how instead of just doing what the directions plainly spell out for us. It's not that I couldn't do it without knowing why things are the way that they are. I just needed the comfort of the knowledge behind it all. And now, I am desperately trying to figure out how to become a developer. All while raising a family and working ridiculous hours. But, I have a so called smart phone. And a tablet. So, basically I have a plethora of knowledge at my finger tips at almost any time. You have to understand some people's frustration with these questions. It gets dauntingly overwhelming more and more every day. The forums are not welfare. They are not something to be taken lightly. And we are never to expect that everything should be handed to us. If some one here was to explain in absolute detail and hold your hand through the entire process. You would not learn much and you would not get the most out of your phone. You can only get the most out of it when you feel the satisfaction of knowing that you put some real time into getting it to work just so for your needs. Otherwise, you will truly not appreciate it. Also, if hand holding went on every day, then it would become an expectation of every other no dev that they deserve help. Kind of like the majority of life long welfare recipients. They get offended when it gets taken away and they feel entitled to it. I know, because I know some one that views it that way. Because things have been handed to them almost all there life. It's not cool. Now, go and read until you are confident that you can do this. It truly is a very easy thing. It seems overwhelming. But when you look back, you will say to turn self. Realty? I actually tried to get people to help me to do this? You will feel ashamed. But at the same time you will feel accomplished and will be able to possibly give back to the community in some way. Any way, that is just how I see it.
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If you put that much energy into being helpful as you just did being a jerk, maybe people like me would see how easy it really is. I've successfully flashed roms on my hd2, im just a little intimidated by the whole s-off thing so bite me. Thanks xdalite for being civilized. To everyone else, I'm a woman who is slightly hesitant to risk bricking a $400 phone. I realize everyone takes that risk, but because I only know how to do it one way, I wanted comments that were directed toward me and not on a general post. I'm not an idiot. Forgive the little people, oh wise ones.

MAn just click the Link in my signature and get to the guide. ITS NOOB PROOF!
I apologise on behalf of other users . everyone was a noob once, android, what the hell is android??? that what i said exactly 10 months ago. never used it before that, ive come a long way now!
If you follow the guide, the risks are very minimal.
Whatever u do, do not do step 5 of the guide, there is a risk of bricking, i semi-bricked but recovered.
steps 1 - 4 of my guide
i have yet to find someone who has bricked it using those steps, and i dont think u will be the first either

Thank you so very much. I'm going to try it today. Seriously ... thanks so much.

Jaytronics said:
I am in need of a guide on how to go pee in the toilet in my house. Any help?
Any way, here is a good idea. If there is something that you are having a hard time understanding. Like the meaning of a word. Let's take for instance the word s-off. All you have to do is open a browser and type in Google. What is s-off. You will get a definition for it. So, go to the sticky in the forums that explains how to root and
ROM your cell. And open a separate browser and use it to understand the words that you are having a hard time knowing. I had a problem in the beginning also. I am the type of person that needs to know why and how instead of just doing what the directions plainly spell out for us. It's not that I couldn't do it without knowing why things are the way that they are. I just needed the comfort of the knowledge behind it all. And now, I am desperately trying to figure out how to become a developer. All while raising a family and working ridiculous hours. But, I have a so called smart phone. And a tablet. So, basically I have a plethora of knowledge at my finger tips at almost any time. You have to understand some people's frustration with these questions. It gets dauntingly overwhelming more and more every day. The forums are not welfare. They are not something to be taken lightly. And we are never to expect that everything should be handed to us. If some one here was to explain in absolute detail and hold your hand through the entire process. You would not learn much and you would not get the most out of your phone. You can only get the most out of it when you feel the satisfaction of knowing that you put some real time into getting it to work just so for your needs. Otherwise, you will truly not appreciate it. Also, if hand holding went on every day, then it would become an expectation of every other no dev that they deserve help. Kind of like the majority of life long welfare recipients. They get offended when it gets taken away and they feel entitled to it. I know, because I know some one that views it that way. Because things have been handed to them almost all there life. It's not cool. Now, go and read until you are confident that you can do this. It truly is a very easy thing. It seems overwhelming. But when you look back, you will say to turn self. Realty? I actually tried to get people to help me to do this? You will feel ashamed. But at the same time you will feel accomplished and will be able to possibly give back to the community in some way. Any way, that is just how I see it.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
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Thank you so much. I know it has to be frustrating for everyone when noobs ask questions over and over and i get it, but trust me, its not laziness or ignorance, its just the will to be thorough and informed just as you mentioned. Thanks again.

Bricked one phone.. Got replacement. Need Help

Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.

u payed for ur replacement? lol
use the one click flash nvidia tool, to flash the clockworkmod, you dont evne have to root it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG08Uc8pQT0

yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.

i think you screwed yourself on this one... this phone is like virtually unbrickable, nvflash should be able to bring you out of any soft bricks you might run into and ive run into a fair share of them and never had a problem...
i would recommend you sift though the development section and read all of the tutorials and have a very good understanding of what you are doing instead of having someone spoonfeed you everything when you really dont know what you are doing... (im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
start here though http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847

Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.

JHaste said:
(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Beekersguy said:
Yeah, what he said. maybe you shouldn't be messing with your phone if you don't understand the implications.
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JHaste said:
(im a high school math teacher and cannot stand it when students are just spoonfed information because in the end they really dont understand what they are doing)
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Best thing I've ever read. It helps shine a light on why so many people almost daily are asking for help on how to do something when this forum is riddled with tutorials. I personally stopped helping months ago with any questions on how to root or flash or just anything that there are tutorials for. It just gets crazy redundant.
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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!

Uhhhh... i really dont understand how i was being a ****... I simply stated that he should have a holistic understanding of what hes doing before he starts tinkering because the figure it out as you go method can lead to a 300 dollar paper weight. Not to mention I pointed him in the right direction to start....
All I did was give a bit of advice that I felt was in his best interest and then sent him on his way...
If you think what I originally posted was flaming then you clearly have never seen me tear somebody a new one lol

Dont worry man
sent from my Sensation XD

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Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone.
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Cuz I thought what he said was funny and agreed. I didnt realize the average joe had the right to question peoples right to agree and post. Don't get self-righteous on us.
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ericalanMICHAEL said:
Then why even post in here? Don't be a ****. Even more frustrating than people who can't use a search feature are people too uptight and high-strung to help someone. Yeah, maybe the OP could have found the answer himself. But he's obviously been following a tutorial (likely in this very forum) that's not working for him (hence his replacement phone). The guy just needs two seconds of help from someone. In the amount of time it took me to copy/paste the following links, I could have torn him a new one thirty times over. But I'm not a ****. So, if you absolutely HAVE to post here, at least make it constructive. Incessant *****ing does no good for anyone.
To the OP:
Firstly, you'll need to flash CWM. This is super simple, given you're on a PC. If you're on Mac, things will get tricky (i.e. virtual Linux environment, headaches, etc).
Next, you can find an easy to follow rooting method here. It even has an unroot .zip option given you have to send your phone in again (will save you another $300 ).
And of course, you can PM me if you need any help. If these are the steps you have already followed, here's a YouTube video with some visuals. When I'm stuck on something, that usually helps me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CEjInNY5Y0
Good luck!
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They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.

mysterioustko said:
They are being difficult. What they realize is that the OP has already stated that he's bricked one device because he cannot follow directions. He obviously does not know what he's doing, and has problems following instructions because, as he put it..they go on and on... In the end even if he successfully roots his phone, he may wind up causing himself problems by having access to system files because it's obvious he doesn't really know what he's doing. Everyone shouldn't root. If you cannot follow the simple instructions to root without "bricking" a device, and you cannot follow simple instructions to bring the device back to an operational state, then perhaps rooting is not for you (OP). It just sounds like he is going to cause himself even more problems.
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^^this... root access to phones is not a hand out, it has to be earned, and you earn it by educating yourself about your device and its capabilities and by following simple instructions...

sabwjawdjw said:
yeah I had to pay for a second one. GRRR T-Mo actually checks their phones with sprint if I bricked or something just dip it in water and send it in. They would never check to see if you rooted it. So anyways do I install Clockwork or only do the steps in the video with the nv flasher?
And whats the best rom? I really like the looks of MIUI sorta looks like my wifes iPhone.
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I can't believe no one has said this yet.
Most phones have water sensors, so dipping it in water would just void the warranty. Sorry if you were joking. But as many have said, it's pretty easy to flash the phone back to normal so the TMobile doesn't know it's been hacked. Did you ask here first?

I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.

I don't think anyone is upset with you. We're all here to contribute and help. Have fun with your rooted G2X

sabwjawdjw said:
Okay so I had a G2x and tried rooting it and I think i did something wrong. With all these instructions ramble on about one thing and another hard for me to really understand all the correct steps.
So can I please have someone give me a hand with this? As in a step by step process of everything? This is my second G2X brand new from T-Mobile has the Gingerbread 2.3.3. So if anyone can actually tell me step by step and what files I am going to need so I don't brick this one because 300USD is getting expensive.
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Don't feel bad. I bricked mine upgrading to GB, and I'm still not sure what went wrong. I got it fixed for free by sending it into LG.

sabwjawdjw said:
I am thankful for all the responses. Sorry if I caused grief and headache to anyone. I was finally able to get my phone rooted giving the information that someone provided to me on here. I sent him a PM to personally thank him.
By all means I should probably be *****ed at if I don't follow instructions very well. I have always considered myself a visual learner. If I don't have hands on and able to see it done, it really complicates things for me. I guess you can call it a disability.
Anyways I have come from a long line to HTC which I can say is way different in rooting then these phones. I root them to begin with to get rid of all the stupid software T-Mobile places in my phone and to normally switch to CM7 which I have found out is giving me problems which I am currently trying to figure out.
So please negative comments and put downs are always accepted it comes with the questions. But I don't want to sound like an ass or anything when I say this because I mean it in the upmost respect to everyone, but isn't this a forum? A community forum?
Someone once had to show you, all I did was ask for the same help. And this whole GSM network ways of doing things is different from my typical Sprint CDMA network that I am used to. Everything was pretty much the same when it came to that.
Again please I AM VERY SORRY truly if I caused any problems. Please don't be upset at me. Thanks.
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Do not sweat the whiners. Here is the way I look at it... It is a forum for developers. I can not develop crap, so I try to do my part by being helpful when I can. Everyone here was brand new at one point. Make sure you do your part by reading as much as you can. If you still have questions/issues, send me a PM.

Why does every noob question get followed up with a bunch bullshizz. We were all noobs at one point, I remember when my Huawei ascend scared me. Nothing is worse than bricking your phone and being upset than a bunch of know it all asses being pricks. Is the g2x forum the only one full of d-ckheads? I've never heard so much whining and holier than thou bs. I'm surprised we have any devs, ungrateful bunch of *****es. Wah, nvidia never, wah, everyone else has ics, wah, that noob asked a question, wah, I suck. I love my g2x, it's a typical musclecar, way over powered and finicky as hell. The g2x is not a beginners device, this is for big boys and girls. I wonder what the whiners would do if they owned a ferrari? Newsflash, they break down, a lot! I remember when xda was where you went for help and support, now I come here to be entertained by the ignorance of the know it alls. Go ahead, blast me, I'm a writer for an Android website and I'll make it painful. OK, then, how bout all these new roms and updates? It's like the g2x is reborn. Hey, wait a minute, I thought the g2x was a useless, unsupported piece of ka ka? Frickin morons!
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Well first I am glad you were able to fix the phone however I understand knowledgeable people get frustrated because this phone is simple to root. With a phone that has been out this long there is no reason anyone can not find out what to do on there own.
There are so many YouTube videos and forums like this. You are not the second person to too your phone or to brick it so why create a new post looking for help when you can simply Google it. I know your lazy and expect someone else to do your work for you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...9l19l0l3l3l0l1535l5020l1.0.3.0.2.2.1.0.1l10l0
See plenty of info on the subject I am sure one of these other people have been helped.
This is why devs are tired of these questions they have been answered over and over. You may find this mean to say but you most likely found this forum by using Google so use it to fix your phone. Stop wasting peoples time by being lazy and use your head.
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The problem is this. Ppl dont know how to research their issue. Also ppl in our generation cant seem to follow directions worth ****. I was the same way. I learned on my g1. Rooted it successful and then bricked my friends. Over the years ive learned alot about computers/phone/cdma flashing. Playing with the big boys. You develop problem solving skills that you can apply outside of this. It truly makes you smarter. So yea. Maybe we are know it all asses.
sent from an HTC sensation on CM7 alpha #10

You are your own worst enemy...

Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...

kingston73 said:
Not much point to this other than me just coming to a slow realization, I don't know why it took me this long but I've finally realized most of the problems I read about are caused by people NOT reading and the problems never really should have happened in the first place.
Perfect example is the new firmware, I've lost count of how many people have posted issues with it even though they aren't superCID and don't even know what that means. Or people not taking the time to research some key vocabulary words, like the difference between a radio and an ruu.
I just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to buy a relatively expensive phone like the sensation and then not take the time to research and read thoroughly before attempting something that could potentially brick their brand new toy??
Ahhh, forget it, maybe I'm just cranky...
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yep man...it is very boring to say thousand of time the same thing! well but no one can change it...unfortunately

While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware

c19932 said:
While this is true, you also have to understand that some threads did not state that you need the latest firmware for the rom to work. I remember flashing a ics rom for the first time and the original thread did not sya I need ton upgrade my firmware
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This is so true. Some of the instructions are missing steps that you need to complete before you even start. And this board is MASSIVE in size, so finding the right info for your device might sometimes be tricky.

its because people are too impatient

Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.

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Now don't blame the threads "missing steps" or "not saying you need to upgrade." If you're going to flash your phone with experimental software, you need to know what you're doing.
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I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.

Been that way for a long time, buddy. Never gonna change.
It would be nice if duplicate questions, cases of user error, etc. were deleted. But that would be way too much work.

I don't know who keeps on rating a 1 and tagging threads with useless tags just because he can but whoever you are, you should realize that this is a public forum. If the topic doesn't concern you, move along. I bet that this is the same guy that put a 1 rating on our Sensation on PH thread.
Get a life buddy. You have way too much free time on your hands.

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I agree with this. Coz before I did flash my phone I really did intensive research reading everywhere in this section, finding tips though its true not all guide for noobs is really for noobs which you should have common sense on what you exactly need to do. Until recently a lot of guys (we should thank them) really dedicated their time doing the spoon fed procedures but unfortunately there seems still few people having the hardtime to flash FW, ROM Kernel and ended up bricking the phone.
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I agree on 70% on what you said, but....
A COMPLETE noob will not be able to know what those "common sense steps" mean. Nor will he know which terms and which threads apply to his process of flashing, nor which information to look for. He will follow the instructions to the letter, get stuck and then get frustrated when people jump on him and tell him he should've known he had to do this and that before starting.
So, of course he will be confused and ask questions on this forum, EVEN IF the information is available in thread #898761, page 46, post #197.
But yes, I agree. Most of the instructions are solid and most of them tell you to go to a specific thread if you don't know what something means. But not all.

Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!

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Whats the point of this thread? I don't mean to flame or ***** or troll, really. But it's like saying "If wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed, children in africa wouldn't die from famine" and then you'd have 10 others nodding and saying "yeah"
yeah I agree with OP totally, we all know that and we all were faced with retards who can't google up words like "adb push". Even a noob can fire up google and read what this means, just like I did.
But it's the way it is, and you're not the first to complain about it. Still won't change a damn thing because those ppl we're talking about are the ones least likely to read this thread.
I know you said yourself this thread is for venting, but had I opened a thread each time I face-palmed because of stupid ppl then... ah well you get my point
just my 0.5$
cheers!
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Yes the main thing is people should really learn to use the search bar at the top of every page. Its my best friend and has saved me when I got into a boot loop. Also if, for any reason whatsoever, you feel like your about to brick your phone by flashing a rom or a kernel or whatever, DONT DO IT. Plain and simple. DONT DO IT. You shouldn't be rooting if you don't hold the confidence to flash a kernel or rom and know your phone won't brick.
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I to am sorry for being harsh

I need to make an apology. Another dev had to do this earlier and now it is my turn.
He was right. We are all a bit angry at people who are posting unnecessary things, but that is no excuse to be rude. I still maintain that this forum has one of the best communities, and I will not let anyone tell me otherwise. I started on this forum in april of this year. That is 4 months ago. Look what I have accomplished. I am nowhere near the level of some of our other devs, but I am so much better than I was then. I WAS a N00B. I was that person with a million questions.
I remember the first time I soft bricked. It was late at night and all of a sudden that beautiful boot animation that I just realized cold be changed started repeating itself after I tried to flash an update to scv5. I panicked. I opened up the lifehacker article on unbricking, posted a new thread with a stupid question, and I started to realize I had no money to buy a new phone. Bottom line is it was the end of the world for me.
But, thanks to all the wonderful people here, i got it fixed. My heartbeat was probably 200 while the fxz flashed, but I got it done
I now bootloop every other day practically. restoring is no problem. ICS was a whole different story, but that is not for here. That is when I had my first hardbrick. but once again thanks to the help of others I am now on scv7 with some mods to it.
To all of you who have posted stupid unnecessary things, and yes there are many I am sorry. as the Moderator Moscow Desire said in a PM after me posting a rude response that lead to me writing this "n00bs will always be at XDA. This is a fact of life. Yes, they post stupid things sometimes, and yes, they will always NEVER do a search or read other posts. It's always been like this. And yes, it gets frustrating at times."
We know you are out their. and we can try to stop it, but there will be people who do dumb things. But that is not an excuse for any of us to be rude to them. Those of us who are more knowledgeable about dev stuff should be helping those who aren't. My mom always told me in school that there will always be bosses you hate just like your teachers, and coworkers you hate st like your classmates, so you might as well learn to get along with them. She was right. we just need to get along. For us devs there is an IRC channel, and believe me we talk about this stuff, but we all get along well. so for the rest of us t needs to be the same.

Let me start this by saying i am still a N00B, saying that Initially i was also annoyed with all those questions people were asking.. i myself started a new thread trying to clear few basic questions.. but as the time went by realised that the senior community was more harsh than anything else.. the more we teach the more we learn thats what say in my part of the world.. but i believe all is well, all that is needed is that you guys get into serious ICS development once the OTA arrives.. and <3 you guys..
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lkrasner said:
I need to make an apology. Another dev had to do this earlier and now it is my turn.
He was right. We are all a bit angry at people who are posting unnecessary things, but that is no excuse to be rude. I still maintain that this forum has one of the best communities, and I will not let anyone tell me otherwise. I started on this forum in april of this year. That is 4 months ago. Look what I have accomplished. I am nowhere near the level of some of our other devs, but I am so much better than I was then. I WAS a N00B. I was that person with a million questions.
I remember the first time I soft bricked. It was late at night and all of a sudden that beautiful boot animation that I just realized cold be changed started repeating itself after I tried to flash an update to scv5. I panicked. I opened up the lifehacker article on unbricking, posted a new thread with a stupid question, and I started to realize I had no money to buy a new phone. Bottom line is it was the end of the world for me.
But, thanks to all the wonderful people here, i got it fixed. My heartbeat was probably 200 while the fxz flashed, but I got it done
I now bootloop every other day practically. restoring is no problem. ICS was a whole different story, but that is not for here. That is when I had my first hardbrick. but once again thanks to the help of others I am now on scv7 with some mods to it.
To all of you who have posted stupid unnecessary things, and yes there are many I am sorry. as the Moderator Moscow Desire said in a PM after me posting a rude response that lead to me writing this "n00bs will always be at XDA. This is a fact of life. Yes, they post stupid things sometimes, and yes, they will always NEVER do a search or read other posts. It's always been like this. And yes, it gets frustrating at times."
We know you are out their. and we can try to stop it, but there will be people who do dumb things. But that is not an excuse for any of us to be rude to them. Those of us who are more knowledgeable about dev stuff should be helping those who aren't. My mom always told me in school that there will always be bosses you hate just like your teachers, and coworkers you hate st like your classmates, so you might as well learn to get along with them. She was right. we just need to get along. For us devs there is an IRC channel, and believe me we talk about this stuff, but we all get along well. so for the rest of us t needs to be the same.
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I guess one just has to realise that there are ppl here with different tech capacities. So knowledgeable ppl like u and the other magnificent devs should have a little more patience with us , the eternal the omni present n00bs... u guys are doing a great job !! keep it up!!! We ask stupid questions coz we are scared that the beloved fone will brick...we want to be 10 times sure that flashing will not render it useless...but still we do it ..coz everybody loves a kick!!!! I guess.. my take on this....

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I guess one just has to realise that there are ppl here with different tech capacities. So knowledgeable ppl like u and the other magnificent devs should have a little more patience with us , the eternal the omni present n00bs... u guys are doing a great job !! keep it up!!! We ask stupid questions coz we are scared that the beloved fone will brick...we want to be 10 times sure that flashing will not render it useless...but still we do it ..coz everybody loves a kick!!!! I guess.. my take on this....
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Yeah, but on the other side of the coin, if you are on XDA that means you are looking to experiment, you want to try new things, you need a fast and functional ROM or that mod you like so much or simply want to root it and then there are few who are here just to learn.
But for all this you gotta have few attributes
1. Guts
2. Little knowledge
3. Able to go through few threads before starting anything
4. And last but most important, knowing where the search button is.
This still a n00b saying this, dont get me wrong. I am here to learn, i am getting into it slowly but surely. Thanks to the devs.
Ps: this post os taken better in lighter vein!!!
Speak only when it improves on your silence.

I think it is a huge deal to see a post like this. Kudos to you, Ikrasner! You have been much help to everyone, along with the rest of the devs. Thank you all for your time!

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I guess one just has to realise that there are ppl here with different tech capacities. So knowledgeable ppl like u and the other magnificent devs should have a little more patience with us , the eternal the omni present n00bs... u guys are doing a great job !! keep it up!!! We ask stupid questions coz we are scared that the beloved fone will brick...we want to be 10 times sure that flashing will not render it useless...but still we do it ..coz everybody loves a kick!!!! I guess.. my take on this....
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Well it is really not patients that is the problem that we are all having at the moment. It is the fact that everyone now seems to think they are the ONLY one with a certain problem with x, and rather than posting in the thread that deals with x they make a new thread, and then when you ask why they did not search it is always "I searched, and none of the threads deal with MY exact issue".
The issue with this is that is shows a lack of respect for everyone in here, that might be working on an issue, and that person just bumped another thread that might have that or a similar issue in it, and now everyone is reading that new glowing orange thread on the board.
The next issue is that people have to trust us.
Next, it seems we have a new rash of noobs that don't want to listen and then still post a new thread when their issues is not solved in another thread and then keep bumping that thread if no one replies.
Again these are all thing that show alot of issues and lack of respect to your dev team, we are here to help, but the more you guys all help us, the more we can help you.
P.S. I had to post this same thread a few weeks back, because of all the frustrations as well.... see a pattern here.

I know what you mean, its like you cant even blink in this forum, without starting a witch hunt.

I just joined XDA not long ago and I too have noticed a lot of pointless threads. I admit I did post a stupid question before, but I found the answer myself and went back and changed my question. But I did not go and make a new thread about it. I think the issue is A. people are lazy in general, and B. There is so much to try and wrap your head around, and no one wants to brick their device. I only have 1 device and I would love to try experimenting with different ROMs and things, because I am constantly wanting a new phone. I have had the A2 for about 9 months now and I am bored with it. But I have that fear of bricking it and then I am screwed. So for now I will continue to search through different threads and try to learn as much as I possible can before I jump in and try flashing ROMs. I notice some people just try flashing ROMs without really any knowledge then post new threads with the issues that they have. If they would just take the time to read through threads prior to jumping in there would be less of this issue. I just want to Thank all the Devs here that put so much time into all the work they do here!! Definitely the best mobile dev community out there!!

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I have had the A2 for about 9 months now and I am bored with it.
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dude i had the same ROM for 9 months before, without a single wipe, and i never got close to bored, the hw buttons messed up so i had to sell. your phone isnt your game console or gf ... its a phone, no offense

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dude i had the same ROM for 9 months before, without a single wipe, and i never got close to bored, the hw buttons messed up so i had to sell. your phone isnt your game console or gf ... its a phone, no offense
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What are you talking about! i make love to my phone all the time.
some people use there phone for more stuff then others. nothing is wrong with that.

I have no idea what section I'm in or what you're apologizing for, but I love you too man.

rdhoggattjr said:
What are you talking about! i make love to my phone all the time.
some people use there phone for more stuff then others. nothing is wrong with that.
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TMI, me thinks.
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TMI, me thinks.
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FYI that was a joke. but i do hook my phone to my tv and use it as a game console with my PS3 controller

rdhoggattjr said:
FYI that was a joke. but i do hook my phone to my tv and use it as a game console with my PS3 controller
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I know, it was amusing. But the fact that you're feeling the urge for clarification makes me second guess that was a "joke". (I'm kidding)
That's what we need more of here, people with a sense of humor. I applaud you for that, hopefully the lighthearted approach will carry through with the other "business class" folk.
I sit in the back of the bus, that one being driven straight to hell, if you know what I mean...
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rdhoggattjr said:
What are you talking about! i make love to my phone all the time.
some people use there phone for more stuff then others. nothing is wrong with that.
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im not gonna lie me myself often sleep next to/on it but damn...

maybe if it was a sgs3