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should I buy this thunderbolt for $100

This guy I know had an issue with billing and got into a fight with Verizon. I think it is unresolved and he told them to go F themselves and did not pay the bill and moved on to T-Mobile. He is now selling his Thunderbolt. He has switched the 32GB sd card with an 8GB card (using it in his Tmobile phone) but is throwing in a nice case.
My question is if It's worth $100 and can Verizon refuse to activate it since there is an issue with it? Wouldn't the SIM card be connected to his account and they would not unlock it due to all the problems?
TIA

It will have bad esn if he didn't pay for his bill
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yeah theyll put a flag on his account/phone, similiar to if the phone had been stolen. until he resolves the issue with verizon youll most likely only be able to use it wifi.

Unless the guy pays the bill off and the ETF the phone will be no good to you unless your gna buy it to use as a dev phone. and you wont be able to turn it on thru another company either so i'd say pass on that one bro.

thanks people.

loveubuntu said:
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I would still get it and sell it on eBay. I saw a Thunderbolt in good condition go for $408 and it was stated that it had a bad ESN. This was about a month ago.

What if I put the sim card from a paid up phone in his phone? I've been looking fornan experimental tbolt that I can switch my sim card back and forth with.
If that doesn't work with his phone I wouldn't dare buy a phone from ebay which could easily have the same issue.

recDNA said:
What if I put the sim card from a paid up phone in his phone? I've been looking fornan experimental tbolt that I can switch my sim card back and forth with.
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Nope wont work bro. Its nothing like switching sim cards for a gsm network such as tmobile. If the esn is bad its pretty much no good unless you only use it with wifi.
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jr313 said:
Nope wont work bro. Its nothing like switching sim cards for a gsm network such as tmobile. If the esn is bad its pretty much no good unless you only use it with wifi.
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There goes my whole experimental phone idea. Any phone that comes real cheap is likely to either have hardware problems or a bad esn. :-(

recDNA said:
There goes my whole experimental phone idea. Any phone that comes real cheap is likely to either have hardware problems or a bad esn. :-(
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There's ways to work around the bad esn, they're just not exactly legal or condoned on xda.

No!
Get a brand new one, with the 40 gig memory card from Amazon for a penny.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-ThunderBo...HB6U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314695691&sr=8-1

Hot Carl said:
Get a brand new one, with the 40 gig memory card from Amazon for a penny.
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Ya and a 2 year contract to go with it. Probably not what the OP had in mind...

Are you sure this wont work? I had a friend put his 4g sim in a stolen droid charge and it worked fine.....

yareally said:
There's ways to work around the bad esn, they're just not exactly legal or condoned on xda.
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That would be beyond my technical skills but I wouldn't want to entangle myselfbin any legal difficulties either.

it will be a bad esn and the esn is tied to the phone not the sim if i remember correctly

my one s blocked with IMEI number ?

so my phone lost signal and i called t-mobile and they told me that my phone got block my imei number has been blacklisted i didnt even know they do this thing on tmobile i payed 450 dollars for my phone and i dont know waht to do because i bought it from some guy on GL if anybody works in tmobile that cant help please do

Ek07 said:
so my phone lost signal and i called t-mobile and they told me that my phone got block my imei number has been blacklisted i didnt even know they do this thing on tmobile i payed 450 dollars for my phone and i dont know waht to do because i bought it from some guy on GL if anybody works in tmobile that cant help please do
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That's very sad, but there's probably nothing you can do except using a different IMEI and just using your SIM card in the One S.. blacklisted IMEI is blacklisted. There's a possibility it was marked stolen or lost, possibly for insurance fraud (claim as stolen, get new device for ~$100, sell 'stolen' device for $450, profit), or possibly for non-payment of bill..

linds6630 said:
That's very sad, but there's probably nothing you can do except using a different IMEI and just using your SIM card in the One S.. blacklisted IMEI is blacklisted. There's a possibility it was marked stolen or lost, possibly for insurance fraud (claim as stolen, get new device for ~$100, sell 'stolen' device for $450, profit), or possibly for non-payment of bill..
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yea i guess thats what happended it worked for a month now is gone , but how would i get a diif imei number i think thats impossible

You cant get a different imei. Long story short you are screwed. Try to sell the device for $200 the most that you can get

dude that is terrible !!
I would hunt that seller down and kill him, Or ring the police on him..
Try explaining to the carrier that blacklisted the phone whats happened, they will know who the previous owner is and they can get him done for fraud
I wouldn't just accept whats happened !! no way, not after paying $450

Or unlock it and use it on att :/ I hope this doesn't happen to me I've just traded my note plus a few.bucks for a.one s its been a week so far way to.many shady people now a days , but what I don't get if.u where using it for a.month shouldn't that imei be under Ur plan ?
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funziebear said:
Or unlock it and use it on att :/ I hope this doesn't happen to me I've just traded my note plus a few.bucks for a.one s its been a week so far way to.many shady people now a days , but what I don't get if.u where using it for a.month shouldn't that imei be under Ur plan ?
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I agree. I am assuming you called tmo to activate the new microsim card when you got the phone. And when you activated, that imei should have been put on your account. I suggest you ask tmo to clarify how this happened.

chem.manish said:
I agree. I am assuming you called tmo to activate the new microsim card when you got the phone. And when you activated, that imei should have been put on your account. I suggest you ask tmo to clarify how this happened.
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yea this a new thing i was reading once the phone is blacklisted all major carriers in the us will block it , i did call they just said to return it back to the store where i bought it smh they said they cannot do anything about it

Ek07 said:
yea this a new thing i was reading once the phone is blacklisted all major carriers in the us will block it , i did call they just said to return it back to the store where i bought it smh they said they cannot do anything about it
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I would push it further with T-Mobile. I would ask to talk to a manager, and that manager's manager. Tell them you want to know who reported it lost/stolen so you can call the police for fraud. I would also insist on them telling you WHEN it was reported lost/stolen. If it was AFTER you activated the phone on your account then you need to know who reported, again, to report to the police.
I don't suppose you did any type of hand written receipt did you? I NEVER deal on craigslist (accept to sell). Ebay only, they have buyer protection.
EDIT: Then again, there may be privacy reasons that they cannot tell you who reported. Just sucks. You got the guys number still?

Always a danger buying a secondhand phone on Ebay or any other aution style site,
"Selling my Upgrade" then they claim on insurance then get another phone....big win for these people
How did you pay for it? and as someone else posted...did you get a receipt?

frazzeld said:
Always a danger buying a secondhand phone on Ebay or any other aution style site,
"Selling my Upgrade" then they claim on insurance then get another phone....big win for these people
How did you pay for it? and as someone else posted...did you get a receipt?
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Ebay, payed with Paypal, has buyer protection. If fraud is involved, you can get your money back.
Craigslist, screwed.

setzer715 said:
Ebay, payed with Paypal, has buyer protection. If fraud is involved, you can get your money back.
Craigslist, screwed.
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45 days protection with PayPal and usually say buyer eligable for protection on your transaction....I notice a few adverts are appearing with Bank Transfer

If it was.sealed and never activated can it still be.reported ? Isn't that even more of a danger ?
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If what was sealed ? The phone ?
Surely the OP can get a solution to this !!
Im so gutted for him

Yeah my case sounds a lot like something posted above guy said it was an upgrade but he wanted a note he had two one was open to register the sim and the other he said he just kept old sim for the note when I openes it everything was fresh never touched the stickers didn't look like they where pulled from the box either I guess all I can do.is wait and hope .
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Coming from a tmo insider. Your phone is black listed because the guy you got it from didnt pay his bill. If eq is purchased on the value plan and It's not paid they will disable the device. Only way around is to bring the account it was on current
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infinityhombre said:
Coming from a tmo insider. Your phone is black listed because the guy you got it from didnt pay his bill. If eq is purchased on the value plan and It's not paid they will disable the device. Only way around is to bring the account it was on current
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yeah i called thats what they said but how im get that account im dont even know where the guy is , im stuck with it

Ek07 said:
yeah i called thats what they said but how im get that account im dont even know where the guy is , im stuck with it
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Your best option would be to sell it oversees. The US and EU don't share blacklists.

dc211 said:
Your best option would be to sell it oversees. The US and EU don't share blacklists.
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yea im trying

Ek07 : i woukd like to buy it.. Sent u a pm .. Kindly respond..

Just got a blaze and the next day T-Mobile blacklisted it.ANY BUYERS?

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Head on over to the dev section and PM any of the devs there that put anything like 'let me know the bugs as I don't own this phone' in any of their threads... I know erikmm could be interested - he left his somewhere and when he went back it was gone (that still sucks! yea it still bothers me ).
How much are you asking?

I'd also be interested... for a dev phone, or possibly a phone to pass on to erikmm. Price?

It's not blacklisted. lol. T-Mobile it still fully supporting it. Just no more OS upgrades. (Which we don't need anyways thanks to awesome devs.)

chjema said:
It's not blacklisted. lol. T-Mobile it still fully supporting it. Just no more OS upgrades. (Which we don't need anyways thanks to awesome devs.)
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T-Mobile blacklists IMEI of phones that have been declared lost and/or stolen.

putney said:
T-Mobile blacklists IMEI of phones that have been declared lost and/or stolen.
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Or one that the account has gone delinquent.
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Yea its definitely blacklisted..TMo confirmed there was nothing they can do,and the rep I talked to actually tried to help.apparently it isn't T-Mobile but Asurion that put it on the list..I need a new tmobile phone asap.because the USB port on my n1 is shot out so I'm left with no phone and a sim card with a year left on my contract.all I need to know is whether there is any way to reverse the blacklisting myself,through software or an app or something..I just don't want to waste my time searching for something I'm not gonna find..thanks a lot for replying:thumbup:
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Blacklists can't be circumvented. No chance what so ever. Sorry.
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Any buyers?whats a fair price?
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Free as it is unusable unless someone pays the bill owed!!! Maybe someone would buy it for a dev phone...

Racing19969 said:
Free as it is unusable unless someone pays the bill owed!!! Maybe someone would buy it for a dev phone...
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Worth about $20 - the eBay price for the screen.
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That sucks someone will sell a blacklisted phone without notifying the buyer...meh! N I am interested(thanks guys) but just started work yesterday and don't get paid til January so if anyone else wants it go ahead n make ur offers
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I say donate! lol Would help out the community. Just saying

Still got this phone?
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Yes
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CaptainhowdY22 said:
Yes
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What's your price?
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Any luck selling the blaze?
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When they blacklist the IMEI, does it affect only T-mobile network or AT&T network too? Or any GSM networks, including MVNOs?

E107946 said:
When they blacklist the IMEI, does it affect only T-mobile network or AT&T network too? Or any GSM networks, including MVNOs?
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Both AT&T and TMobile have already activated the national device registry. That registry restricts any device reported as stolen from accessing any network. So the short answer: this phone is useless for anything more than a test phone or mp3 player.

as far as I know ericmm bought the phone to use as a dev phone.

Dumb me got scammed, but Tmobile said for sure I would have no problems =( ESN

Ok so I bought a phone off craiglist. I'm pretty cautious and had the customer service number and called Tmobile with the ESN/IMEI number. I asked them specifically if the person were to cancel their contract or if there was a contract or can anything that seller do in the future cause me problems and they said "NO". Now 7 weeks later the ESN is blocked. Do they keep records of my conversation? I had tmobile service and even have the time I called them since I still have the texts from the guy who sold it.
I called the guy and he said he would take care of it, but he could be just saying that then blocking my calls now so who knows. Has anyone had Tmobile fix the problems since they were the ones that said things would be fine? I called them and they said "no", but I didn't have the exact time and just realized I know the exact time and date I called them.

at the time you checked, it probably wasnt blacklisted, which happened after.

simms22 said:
at the time you checked, it probably wasnt blacklisted, which happened after.
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Yeah for sure. That's why I said is there any possibility that it can get black listed and they said "no". The lady yesterday on the phone said they don't recommend buying from a 3rd party. I wish the person I spoke to said that. I almost can't blame the guy who sold me the phone since I got off the phone with tmobile in front of him after they guaranteed no problems. :crying:

jeffrimerman said:
Yeah for sure. That's why I said is there any possibility that it can get black listed and they said "no". The lady yesterday on the phone said they don't recommend buying from a 3rd party. I wish the person I spoke to said that. I almost can't blame the guy who sold me the phone since I got off the phone with tmobile in front of him after they guaranteed no problems. :crying:
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no, you should blame him, for not being truthful. he had the phone blacklisted or he "stole" the phone from them by not paying for it.

Just switch to AT&T
should work fine with them

GTDarthYoda said:
Just switch to AT&T
should work fine with them
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when its blacklisted on tmo, its blacklisted on att as well. they now keep a national registrar together.

simms22 said:
no, you should blame him, for not being truthful. he had the phone blacklisted or he "stole" the phone from them by not paying for it.
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yes you're right

simms22 said:
when its blacklisted on tmo, its blacklisted on att as well. they now keep a national registrar together.
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Is it black listed in foreign countries like Taiwan? How about mainland China. My gf can send to her family in China. So I can disclose it is blacklisted and maybe it's worth $150 to someone who can take it out of the country. My other friend is from HK so he can send to his brother.

jeffrimerman said:
Is it black listed in foreign countries like Taiwan? How about mainland China. My gf can send to her family in China. So I can disclose it is blacklisted and maybe it's worth $150 to someone who can take it out of the country. My other friend is from HK so he can send to his brother.
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no, just in the US. i dont think that canadian carriers are involved either.

Next time use swappa to see if it's being financed or not. If it's financed, don't buy it. It will tell you if it's fully paid off. It can't protect from it being a stolen phone, but it can help.
http://swappa.com/esn

simms22 said:
no, just in the US. i dont think that canadian carriers are involved either.
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Not true, Canadian carriers uses the same database as well.

technote said:
Not true, Canadian carriers uses the same database as well.
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not true? I said I don't think.. that implies that I don't really know if Canadian carriers use it or not. but now I know :angel:

Flash it to Page Plus. At least they will take it. Or maybe it will activate on Sprint?
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Hello. So I bought a google pixel from Gumtree, and it was sealed in the box, unopened. I've tested it when I bought it, and I had signal and 4g internet. However, when I got back home its just says emergency calls only. The device was never registered with any google accounts, not even mine. Can anyone suggest anything? Cheers
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You should contact your cell phone service provider.

krelvinaz said:
You should contact your cell phone service provider.
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I tried with another sim from a different network and it still doesn't work..

Call your service provider and ask if the imei is blacklisted. It's possible the phone's been reported stolen.
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Electroz said:
Call your service provider and ask if the imei is blacklisted. It's possible the phone's been reported stolen.
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This

If it was originally purchased on a contract from EE, the buyer does not own the device for 6 months and thus does not have the right to sell it. It is listed on EE contracts. Also they are covered by Asset Watch which specifies the buyer may not have legal title to the device.
What this means I believe, is that if someone gets the Pixel on contract, then does not pay the bill, the device would be blocked.
Maybe it was an EE device ? If not i'm unsure but does sound blocked to me.

Electroz said:
Call your service provider and ask if the imei is blacklisted. It's possible the phone's been reported stolen.
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I was talking with a guy from a phone shop and this is possibly the issue. Is there anything I can do to make it work again? Damn I paid so much money for this phone..
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This
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Blue305 said:
I was talking with a guy from a phone shop and this is possibly the issue. Is there anything I can do to make it work again? Damn I paid so much money for this phone..
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Sorry man. If you bought it used and it's backlisted, your only option is calling the police to let them know you were sold a stolen device to see if they can do something about it. But it's also possible it's not stolen. It's possible someone defaulted on a cell contract and the provider blacklisted it for that as well.
So basically. Nothing you can do.
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Electroz said:
Sorry man. If you bought it used and it's backlisted, your only option is calling the police to let them know you were sold a stolen device to see if they can do something about it. But it's also possible it's not stolen. It's possible someone defaulted on a cell contract and the provider blacklisted it for that as well.
So basically. Nothing you can do.
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Oh I see.. Well thanks a lot for your answers man... Unfortunately I don't see any chance I'll get my money back... Lesson learned
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