The Optimus 3D is really showing some great results on the benchmark tests. I was solely set on the Galaxy SII since I heard about it, but over the past month, I change my mind and wanted Optimus 3D(obviously because of the 3D features, then I found out that it did better on benchmark tests).
I know benchmarks aren't everything, and it could be different when you actually receive the phone, but still. If the Optimus 3D didn't have 3D, I probably wouldn't have even looked at it. That's all that attracts me really. But I keep seeing things about the SII that are really cool. The TouchWiz seems nice, and probably way better then LG's UI. LG's screen sucks anyways, besides the 3D, I've never seen the SAMOLED+ but I've seen the SAMOLED for about two seconds and it was nice.
I don't know, what do you guys think? I need a good argument to make my decision, but I got time obviously.
Also I heard that Apple isn't announcing a new phone this year, but some people are calling bs on that. I don't really care for iOS that much, I already have an iPod, but if they do come out with an iPhone 5, and it's damn good, then I will pick that up. I really do love Android though, and think I'd rather have that.
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The Optimus 3D is really showing some great results on the benchmark tests. I was solely set on the Galaxy SII since I heard about it, but over the past month, I change my mind and wanted Optimus 3D(obviously because of the 3D features, then I found out that it did better on benchmark tests).
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In the latest GL benchmark, the score is higher for Exynos GPU at higher screen resolution than O3D GPU. The difference would be bigger if the resolution was the same for both.
O3D is using the same GPU as the old Galaxy S, so it's possible there could be
more SW driver optimization before release on Exynos GPU than O3D GPU since it's a newer GPU.
GL benchmark Odroid-A tablet with Exynos 4210 (Exynos 4210 is used in SGS2):
http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.j...version=all&certified_only=2&brand=Hardkernel
GL benchmark Optimus 3D:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.j...=2&os=0&version=all&certified_only=2&brand=LG
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The Optimus 3D is really showing some great results on the benchmark tests. I was solely set on the Galaxy SII since I heard about it, but over the past month, I change my mind and wanted Optimus 3D(obviously because of the 3D features, then I found out that it did better on benchmark tests).
I know benchmarks aren't everything, and it could be different when you actually receive the phone, but still. If the Optimus 3D didn't have 3D, I probably wouldn't have even looked at it. That's all that attracts me really. But I keep seeing things about the SII that are really cool. The TouchWiz seems nice, and probably way better then LG's UI. LG's screen sucks anyways, besides the 3D, I've never seen the SAMOLED+ but I've seen the SAMOLED for about two seconds and it was nice.
I don't know, what do you guys think? I need a good argument to make my decision, but I got time obviously.
Also I heard that Apple isn't announcing a new phone this year, but some people are calling bs on that. I don't really care for iOS that much, I already have an iPod, but if they do come out with an iPhone 5, and it's damn good, then I will pick that up. I really do love Android though, and think I'd rather have that.
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I don't think anyone can answer your question yet. I would wait until the product comes out before making a decision & being able to try them out in person. I'm in the same boat as you. My Captivate is getting old even if I only owned it for a month & being impatient in wanting a new phone. If saving my yearly AT&T update for the SG2 but if the Infuse 4G comes out anytime soon, I'll buy that off contract just to get off my Captivate & wait for the SG2 to be released.
IMHO, SG2 is overall better spec wise compared to the LG 3D but doesn't have the 3D of course. Both phones will be future proof as in being able to last for one or two years (depending on how often you can upgrade) until you upgrade to the next new thing.
With the Optimus 3D, it only has 8GB internal memory. It should be at least 16 or 32. The internal memory size of the 2X & 3D is a negative for me & hence why I decided to go SG2 route. I'm one of those types that prefer as much as possible.
I figure when you first get it, it looks cool & all, but like my 3D monitor, it lost it's luster after awhile but to each their own.
You seem very confused Aside from what erahk64 said, maybe you need to write down the reason why the LG phone is attractive, other than benchmarks and 3D. Have you seen any 3D phones with your own eyes? It might be better to wait until you have handled and played with both devices.
As for the iPhone, well it surely won't suck will it?
seems like we re on the same boat, I m in the same situation but I m also considering the EVO 3D and I'm not particularly attracted by the 3D thing
I havent even considered Evo 3D because that's going to Sprint like the other Evo phones, and I am on AT&T.
Thanks erakh64, Ill check that out when I get a chance...isn't working from my Xoom, probably uses Flash.
I think I'm probably going with the SII, but we'll see.
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I havent even considered Evo 3D because that's going to Sprint like the other Evo phones, and I am on AT&T.
Thanks erakh64, Ill check that out when I get a chance...isn't working from my Xoom, probably uses Flash.
I think I'm probably going with the SII, but we'll see.
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Evo 3D is soon launching in Europe with the same name and not under sprint.
Ya I was talking about europe....
You guys in the US are almost obsessed by carriers, you don't even talk by phone you talk by phone in XX carrier.. you can even "not consider" a smartphone just because it is not subsidized by your favorite carrier wtf ?
Here in france you can just pick up your phone prepaid or on contract with whatever carrier and just unlock it for 10 to 30 euros and use it the way you want...
edit: BTW I m aware about the different radio of each carrier over there, but how many different radio is there ? 2 ? 3 ? so it is a big problem
Apart from the benchmarks, consider the other specs as well. I have been stuck with the original Samsung Galaxy I7500 for almost 2 years. It has proven one thing above all else. Benchmarks can be improved by changing file systems, overclocking, improved software and newer versions of Android.
The benchmarks will change, as the phone goes through its lifecycle. RAM however is a different story, sawp and compcache can help a tiny bit, but you can not add RAM to a phone.
So for me, it has to be the Galaxy SII as all the dual core phones coming out will take it in turns out doing each other on benchmarks, but the SII with 1GB of RAM should be fine next year, even if Androids base RAM requirements grow with later versions, even if you like lots of widgets on your homescreen, even if you run everything at once.
There may be faster phones out by then. (Almost definitely will be.) But the SII will have the best chance of beating the minimum required specs.
Obviously 3D uses more RAM, and both 3D phones only have a half gig RAM. But if 3D is something you want, the dual channel memory architecture should be a beast on the benchmarks.
What the hell are you talking about ? Your whole post is about RAM and you have all completely wrong about it, both the Optimus 3D and the EVO 3D have a gig of RAM with dual channel and dual memory, some rumors even says 4Gig of RAM ! not very useful post...
once u use amoled, youll never want anything else. my next phone wont be anything unless its a s2 with super amoled plus
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What the hell are you talking about ? Your whole post is about RAM and you have all completely wrong about it, both the Optimus 3D and the EVO 3D have a gig of RAM with dual channel and dual memory, some rumors even says 4Gig of RAM ! not very useful post...
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Just check both on GSMARENA, Optimus 3D = 1/2 Gig RAM , yes the EVO 3d has 1GB. but no release info yet that I have found.
The 4GB is storage, not RAM. That you can upgarde at will, just get e bigger SD Card.
Well LG's OFFICIAL WEBSITE has a litlle more weight than a uk technews website, don't it ?
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/mwc2011/product_main.php?product_code=70&product_type=32
4Gb LP DDR2 of RAM dual channel dual memory for the optimus 3D, and 1 Gb for the EVO 3D
Now some says the little "b" means that 4Gb=512MB so I'm not an expert and I Will stay quiet about that
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Well LG's OFFICIAL WEBSITE has a litlle more weight than a uk technews website, don't it ?
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/mwc2011/product_main.php?product_code=70&product_type=32
4Gb LP DDR2 of RAM dual channel dual memory for the optimus 3D, and 1 Gb for the EVO 3D
Now some says the little "b" means that 4Gb=512MB so I'm not an expert and I Will stay quiet about that
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That's exactly what it is. It says 4Gb which is 4 Gigabits, which is 512 MB. Why they measured in Gb instead of GB is beyond me, but it's widely known that it only has 512 MB.
This is actually the major decision point for me. I have a Captivate now, and I am looking at either the SGS2 or the Thrill 4G, but I don't like the 512 MB of RAM that the Thrill will have. If it even had 768 at least, that would be good enough, but I'm worried about the lack of memory.
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That's exactly what it is. It says 4Gb which is 4 Gigabits, which is 512 MB. Why they measured in Gb instead of GB is beyond me, but it's widely known that it only has 512 MB.
This is actually the major decision point for me. I have a Captivate now, and I am looking at either the SGS2 or the Thrill 4G, but I don't like the 512 MB of RAM that the Thrill will have. If it even had 768 at least, that would be good enough, but I'm worried about the lack of memory.
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4Gb sounds like more than 512MB, because people probably think 4Gb is 4GB, and it's not. That's all I can think of.
But yeah I know what you mean, the SII haveing 1GB of RAM is nice.
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You guys in the US are almost obsessed by carriers, you don't even talk by phone you talk by phone in XX carrier.. you can even "not consider" a smartphone just because it is not subsidized by your favorite carrier wtf ?
Here in france you can just pick up your phone prepaid or on contract with whatever carrier and just unlock it for 10 to 30 euros and use it the way you want...
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Welcome to the United Corporations of America...
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Ya I was talking about europe....
You guys in the US are almost obsessed by carriers, you don't even talk by phone you talk by phone in XX carrier.. you can even "not consider" a smartphone just because it is not subsidized by your favorite carrier wtf ?
Here in france you can just pick up your phone prepaid or on contract with whatever carrier and just unlock it for 10 to 30 euros and use it the way you want...
edit: BTW I m aware about the different radio of each carrier over there, but how many different radio is there ? 2 ? 3 ? so it is a big problem
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We talk by carrier for many reasons. To make this simple there are 4 major carriers, which we will call A, B, C, and D. I have carrier A, and can only use phones for carrier A, or an unlocked version of phones from carrier B. I cannot use a phone from carrier C or D, they simply will not work.
Also, usually when you buy a phone, you get it with a contract because it's cheaper. So for example, I can buy the Galaxy SII from Handtec or whatever and it's like $800 or whatever I don't know, they keep changing the price. We'll that's a lot of money here in the US. If we simply bought it with a contract on our carrier, it would only be $200 or so(which is average for these high end phones).
So I'm not gonna go look for other phones that aren't on my carrier. And like I said, there is only one other major carrier that supports what I'm using, and there's not anything too great from them.
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We talk by carrier for many reasons. To make this simple there are 4 major carriers, which we will call A, B, C, and D. I have carrier A, and can only use phones for carrier A, or an unlocked version of phones from carrier B. I cannot use a phone from carrier C or D, they simply will not work.
Also, usually when you buy a phone, you get it with a contract because it's cheaper. So for example, I can buy the Galaxy SII from Handtec or whatever and it's like $800 or whatever I don't know, they keep changing the price. We'll that's a lot of money here in the US. If we simply bought it with a contract on our carrier, it would only be $200 or so(which is average for these high end phones).
So I'm not gonna go look for other phones that aren't on my carrier. And like I said, there is only one other major carrier that supports what I'm using, and there's not anything too great from them.
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In other words we get raped for them giving us a subzidized priced. Im in America and yes it's a piece of **** system here I wish it was like Europe or other countries so much for home of the free. America is run by greedy bastards
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I would much rather pay unsubsidized and every phone to have dual GSM and cdma radios with all bands but they will never Do it unless we start saying no to their stupid contracts
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I would much rather pay unsubsidized and every phone to have dual GSM and cdma radios with all bands but they will never Do it unless we start saying no to their stupid contracts
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Which will never happen. There wouldn't be enough people to do it to make an impact.
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I am currently with tmobile and ordered a Nexus One without a contract... So now I got to thinking: I like the Incredible and EVO 4G...but is it worth getting a whole new contract on Verizon (1 Or 2 Years) or Sprint (2 Years only) ? I am kind of stressed out about this -it is a headache for me, I just want to get something I will be happy with...
I had the HD2 and returned it (not enough suitable games for the hardware...so I decided to move to android)....
So I think my two most reasonible options are to:
+ Stay with Tmobile and keep my Nexus One until something else comes along compatible with TMobile USA... (I am paying about 140.00 a month w/ 3 lines unlim texting for all...and unlim data for two lines... plus 1000 minutes, and free mobile to mobile)
+OR Sign up with a 1 Year verizon contract...
(now mind you, I will be paying @ least 90 to 109$ a month for an individual plan and keep the other two phones on tmobile until their contract expires...will be about 90 a month for Tmobile after this). So all in all costs = about 190 a month to get the incredible...
I know the pros and cons of the phones pretty much:
EVO 4G:
+ 4g, 4.3" LCD screen, front facing camera (nice but I dont think I may use it much), hdmi out, better multitouch hardware than N1
Incredible:
+ OLED 3.7" screen (same as N1?),8GB onboard + 2GB micro w/ verizon, optical 'track ball' ,also better multitouch hardware than N1
N1:
+ trackball ?(a neg for me actually), nothing else above the others that I can see....
sorry if this is a stupid thread...just asking for your advices/ideas/thoughts...please help me make a decision....Thanks for your time...
any ideas?
Stay with the Nexus & no contract...I think your going to really like it's performance! If not, then you can try the others not on GSM...
Well my .02 for what it is worth would be keep the N1, the Incredible while seemingly better is a slight upgrade from the N1 imo... I heard the onboard 8GB of memory cannot be used to install applications on, and one review (Engadget) said a lot of things couldn't even see the memory... The Nexus One is a great phone, and I just got mine for AT&T; give it a go first!
But the incredible doesn't seem too hot for me, I hear VZW is going to LTE and what-not soon! However the Evo 4G does look really cool, but it is on Sprint. It seems like keeping the N1 is economically feasible and you won't be disappointed, or at least I haven't!
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Well my .02 for what it is worth would be keep the N1, the Incredible while seemingly better is a slight upgrade from the N1 imo... I heard the onboard 8GB of memory cannot be used to install applications on, and one review (Engadget) said a lot of things couldn't even see the memory... The Nexus One is a great phone, and I just got mine for AT&T; give it a go first!
But the incredible doesn't seem too hot for me, I hear VZW is going to LTE and what-not soon! However the Evo 4G does look really cool, but it is on Sprint. It seems like keeping the N1 is economically feasible and you won't be disappointed, or at least I haven't!
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Thanks for BOTH of your responses...
I do like the N1...nice sleek and small...just makes me think when I hear about the EVO 4G and the Incredible having the better multi touch...
also that 8GB would be nice to have instead of just 4GB with the n1, also VZW will be giving a 2GB memory stick with it so that is 10GB of usable storage (somewhat usable)...
I guess the N1 is a better choice since I also still have the option to upgrade my phone at any time, hopefully Tmobile will come out with some better phones than the HD2 some time soon -I am sure there will always be better phones, but its just a matter of if they will support the TMobile USA bands...otherwise I may have to switch companies...
I also like the Optical trackball...I think it would have a longer life than the actual trackball...but on the EVO I do not like the LCD screen, the AMOLED screen is much nicer...
The N1 is also the first device to receive an official upgrade to Froyo (and let me guess also future versions). For the others you have to rely on HTC.
I would get the nexus purely for its XDA support
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I would get the nexus purely for its XDA support
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Not to be insulting, but have you noticed there is A LOT of support for A LOT of phones here on XDA ??
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Not to be insulting, but have you noticed there is A LOT of support for A LOT of phones here on XDA ??
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I don't see why the HTC Desire would get LESS support than N1. The N1 has just been around a bit longer so you probably find more support but I guess this soon changes. In the end both are HTC devices and will receive equal support, probably Desire with even more support thanks to Sense UI included....
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Not to be insulting, but have you noticed there is A LOT of support for A LOT of phones here on XDA ??
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Its OK, my bad, i meant out of the devices that were listed, Xda seems to be a GSM device forum (?), i expect the desire, legend and many other GSM phones to be supported here, by default i thought that you go to the PPC website for CDMA (Please, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm in the UK so we only have GSM here )
No 4G??? Why all the fanfare? Aren't 3G devices pretty much headed for obsolete street already?
Seriously, what am I missing? Why would a major manufacturer introduce it's new "flagship high end" phone with this speed handicap??? Will the video calling even work on 3G?
Any why all the interest here? Isn't basically it just a Vibrant with no sd card and 2.3?
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No 4G??? Why all the fanfare? Aren't 3G devices pretty much headed for obsolete street already?
Seriously, what am I missing? Why would a major manufacturer introduce it's new "flagship high end" phone with this speed handicap??? Will the video calling even work on 3G?
Any why all the interest here? Isn't basically it just a Vibrant with no sd card and 2.3?
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7.2MB/s down and ~5MB/s up...is plenty fast even for video calling
I agree, this thing is way out of control on name (nexus) alone. But I will say what is 4G? According to standards agreed upon by a standards conference this is what that means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
Every carrier, starting with sprint is lying about 4g. There is a HUGE discrepancy from what the standard was set as and what they deliver.
To me the idea that a phone branded nexus does not have an sd slot and a 16g internal is crazy. Add that to t-mobile 3g? Where is the iphone giant killer? We all know what it should be, they know what it is too. To me, while nexus s may be a great addition to the galaxy line, it seems like phone manufacturers just laugh and take our money.
Why should we have to decide memory over front facing camera? Processor over screen type?
I would argue that google may have forgotten what the point was in the first place.
EVERYTHING, THE BEST, AND YOU GET TO SHAPE IT!
Mediocre cams and weak memory, good lord, next thing you know we got google nexus junior with pre paid minutes.
So, are you complaining about no "4G" or are you complaining about people being all "Hell no, where's the 4G? I'm gonna kill someone tonight." Just wandering. Got confused when I read the title and the post.
Because 3G at 7.2 Megabits (not MB/sec) is more than adequate. Average speed for the HSPA+ network ranges from 2-5Mbps (not official) with peaks of 10-12Mbps. Those peaks are a rarity on a site with almost no traffic. You'll need a strong & good signal to boot.
I hate this "adequate" argument.
There was a time when 512kb broadband was fine. There was a time people thought you don't need more than 256kb of RAM on a PC.
Fact is, if you don't put the new technology out there, we won't find uses for it. Nexus S hasn't brought anything new of SIGNIFICANCE - is my problem. Being evolutionary to a Nexus One, which is coming to a year old, isn't acceptable, especially when you use tech which has been around for time, but more importantly, miss tech which has been used for months.
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Any why all the interest here? Isn't basically it just a Vibrant with no sd card and 2.3?
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Yup, that's correct.
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Yup, that's correct.
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It's more than that. It's a pure Google phone. Pure open. It will be the focus of Android. And that's what it is out for. The Nexus One is collecting dust. This is a hefty enough upgrade. The Tegra 2 itself barely outperforms the hummingbird anyway, and this Dual Core Snapdragon crap is all rumors but possible, but probably won't be out for another 6~ months. Of course, wait another 6 months, then the dual core epic nexus will come out (and people will complain because it isn't quad core)
It's a great, gorgeous, and powerful phone. It's everything I wanted out of my Vibrant originally. I'm getting it, and it's awesome, and I'm 99% sure I'm gonna love it with no complaints and never look back.
As for HSPA+, very few places actually get advantages from this. T-Mobile's 3g is already faster than LTE or Wimax will be for another year. The only way you'd benefit from HSPA+ is if you are peaking at 7.2mbps already and want to go past that, which I have. I've gotten 10mbps on a G2. 7.2 on Vibrant. But really, they average 4-8, both of them.
Thanks for the responses. 1 more question... So, this S phone has software supported by Google, not Samsung? And if so, how would software updates be expected to differ from Samsung software updates? (which are slow coming if they come at all.)
For N1 owners how does it work? OTA updates pushed by Google?
I'm not a sophisticated user... I have a rooted Vibrant never flashed. It is, to me, a phenomenal device. I'd like to learn more about flashing roms and get some experience but I cannot risk my phone.... yet.
I'm thinking about getting the S and then I can feel better about using & tweaking the Vibrant as a learning tool.
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It's more than that. It's a pure Google phone. Pure open. It will be the focus of Android. And that's what it is out for. The Nexus One is collecting dust. This is a hefty enough upgrade. The Tegra 2 itself barely outperforms the hummingbird anyway, and this Dual Core Snapdragon crap is all rumors but possible, but probably won't be out for another 6~ months. Of course, wait another 6 months, then the dual core epic nexus will come out (and people will complain because it isn't quad core)
It's a great, gorgeous, and powerful phone. It's everything I wanted out of my Vibrant originally. I'm getting it, and it's awesome, and I'm 99% sure I'm gonna love it with no complaints and never look back.
As for HSPA+, very few places actually get advantages from this. T-Mobile's 3g is already faster than LTE or Wimax will be for another year. The only way you'd benefit from HSPA+ is if you are peaking at 7.2mbps already and want to go past that, which I have. I've gotten 10mbps on a G2. 7.2 on Vibrant. But really, they average 4-8, both of them.
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Tegra 2 is old news, Orion is what we are looking forward to.
hellcatrydr the Nexus One and Nexus S will have OTA software updates pushed directly from Google. The Nexus One had Froyo before anyone else. I expect the same to be true of the Nexus S.
Not all mobile operator has HSPA+
I can live with 3G, it is fast enough (1.5 Mbps average).
Also, I cannot wait any longer to have a Google phone!
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hellcatrydr the Nexus One and Nexus S will have OTA software updates pushed directly from Google. The Nexus One had Froyo before anyone else. I expect the same to be true of the Nexus S.
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And that's the real selling factor!
Both manufacturer and carrier have a horrible track record when it comes to software updates. No one wants to use the previous software version when a newer one exists.
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Tegra 2 is old news, Orion is what we are looking forward to.
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Orion is old news. Aquila is what we are looking forward to.
All current HSPA devices will gain profit though "so called 4G" upgrade.
Now I get much lower latency (40-130ms) with MyTouch 4 over 3.75G.
Except you have to run 5 or more computers on the network or run 1080p youtube (3-4Mbps), current HSPA network is more than enough, GUARANTEED!
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Orion is old news. Aquila is what we are looking forward to.
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I don't think we'll see the Aquila in phones... There will probably be a new quad core for that. And it'll probably be late 2013 the soonest before we can even expect quad cores to be planned for production for phones.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/23/lg-optimus-2x-dual-core-android-phone-hits-europe-in-january-pe/
the Dual Core Phone is coming in less than 1 month. if anything it sounds like LG wants to kill the nexus S before it gets a chance.
Today you have the option to buy Nexus S. or Pre order the Dual Core phone with Tegra 2 GPU for max gaming perforamnce along with better camera and an SD card option and 1080p video recording capability
downside its 2.2 and unless it gets rooted early, 2.3 will take a while to be out.
seriously . i didnt know that they would release it so soon.
I do not particularly like LG at all, so I'll pass until someone else looses a dual-core into the wild.
No thanks. I'll be sticking with the nexus until the end of next year when a Dual-Core N3 is announced.
I like my updates a lot, tyvm
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I do not particularly like LG at all, so I'll pass until someone else looses a dual-core into the wild.
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normally i would agree with you. if you give me an LG phone for free. i wouldnt take it. its LG. but god damn i am really thinking of this one. the specs is out of this world
Tegra 2 is 'that' much powerful than Hummingbird ?
LG branded things for me is last resort after Thompson xD
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normally i would agree with you. if you give me an LG phone for free. i wouldnt take it. its LG. but god damn i am really thinking of this one. the specs is out of this world
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Yeah, I agree the phone SEEMS like it's going to be absolutely amazing, and it very well may be. But I don't want to wait for updates and/or devs to get the latest and greatest software.
And as someone else said, I'll wait for the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called.
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Tegra 2 is 'that' much powerful than Hummingbird ?
LG branded things for me is last resort after Thompson xD
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Yes its much more powerful. its from Nvidia after all
and i agree i hate the LG branding too.
No question the Tegra 2 device is the lastest and greatest based on dual chip solely. Its a monument release despite launching with 2.2. I'm not a gamer so that aspect doesn't interest me at all. I always keep two devices (1)cdma (2)gsm, for geek reasons. I really want to get both devices in my hand, then make a decision. We all know it will be the Tegra 2 device.
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Nah i hoped for 30-40% more power ... there is no need to take this over future Orion based phones.
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage...he-Test-Deemed-Faster-Than-Hummingbird-4.png/
BTW. I lost hopes in NV after huge fail in dedicated PS3 GPU.
I'm not a massive fan of LG phones, even if the specs are good. Bearing in mind I've still not decided on an NS yet. I think it's a good step though, as someone has to push the dual core tech forward. When Samsung (which I have nothing against) or HTC start pushing the tech in their own form, whether it's Tegra, Orion or something from Qualcomm, I'll be more excited
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No, had a Galaxy S and hated waiting for updates, and not knowing if it would be updated.
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No, had a Galaxy S and hated waiting for updates, and not knowing if it would be updated.
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Just flassshhh ... xD They need to update TouchWizz and any other software so wait in patience
Somebody know what is top LG android phone right now available in market ?
Only time will tell whether the Opt 2X is worth it. Which is why I say this is a brink in mobile technology -- the standard is changing. Nexus S represents generally the best of an era that is ending (era of single core, 3G, etc). It might be worth waiting to some. No one can tell (meaning, not people who praise dual-core, or people who try to say dual-core is useless/wouldn't get first dual-core, etc.) for now.
As for the direct/clean Google updates, there are ways to work around that with other phones (flashing ROMs, etc.). If the Opt 2X succeeds, you can be sure the dev. community will be supporting the device with those sorts of specs.
But again, time will tell. I want to get (and like) the Nexus S as much as the next guy, but I'm waiting a bit. If the rumors are true, and that dual-cores will come early 2011, the wait is not far off. Also, the slew of issues the Nexus S seems to be having (a quick glance at the threads here will show tons of concerns) is serving as a huge deterrent. I actually like Samsung products, but it's becoming clearer and clearer that Google/Sammy rushed the Nexus S out.
Can you name 1 game, no strike that, 1 APP that doesn't run flawlessly on the Nexus S already? Honestly, having a more powerful processor is not the answer, the software is what needs work and it has been that way for over a year.
Software has been lacking while hardware keeps improving, which is why we're still stuck in 2006 when it comes to game development.
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Can you name 1 game, no strike that, 1 APP that doesn't run flawlessly on the Nexus S already? Honestly, having a more powerful processor is not the answer, the software is what needs work and it has been that way for over a year.
Software has been lacking while hardware keeps improving, which is why we're still stuck in 2006 when it comes to game development.
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people said the same thing when Nexus 1 was out then Galaxy S was released. they all run the same things. it just it runs better on Galaxy S.
and i assume the same thing will happen for future games for example.
its not just the aps. the thing has HDMI out to play video and games on ur TV. it plays videos at 1080P. it RECORD videos at 1080 and a better GPU . its just all rounder a better specs phone. and its less than 1 month away.
I'm just waiting for a phone that has a 4.3" screen that is smaller than the size of the Nexus S. Phones have way too much useless glass/plastic around the screen that serve no purpose. Performance I could care less, they all work fine for me. Hell, I thought the HTC Aria was pretty snappy when I had it.
Can you provide a link that proves it has a SAMOLED screen?
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plus it also had the super amoled screen. and a better GPU . its just all rounder a better specs phone. and its less than 1 month away.
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Can you provide a link that proves it has a SAMOLED screen?
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if have also the SAmoled, I'll buy it without hesitation when it comes out, if not samsung has a sgs2 with t2 etc. soon...
if 2x Optimus had a screen of 4.3 or 4.5 samold, and would be perfect grrr
@ll_l_x_l_ll
Forgive me for being offtopic for a moment, but I must ask, why are you here on these forums? Most of the posts I see from you are "LOL NEXUS S SUX!!!1!!11!" so I have to ask. Are you trying to convince people that they made a bad purchase and whatever phone you're currently using is better? Not trying to start a flamewar, merely curious about your intentions.
As far as your question regarding LG Optimus 2X, my answer is no. It runs what looks like a TouchWiz derivative and I detest TouchWiz. Its not that I hate all layovers, it's that I hate ugly/cartoony layovers. I don't mind SenseUI at all and actually wish that Google would incorporate some of their widgets into stock Android. And, personally, I don't understand the complaint about the lack of a microsd card on the Nexus S. Is 16gbs not enough? It is for me. Then again, I'm a guy who's had the same computer for the last two years and just barely made it halfway through the 500gb hard drive.
Dual-core processors are definitely the future, but nothing out there right now is optimized to take advantage of it and it will be some time before they do. Would today's apps run better? Probably. Would they run better to justify purchasing another phone? Not for me, yet. Also the 1080p video recording is neat, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've used the camcorder feature. Further, who the heck is gonna play phone games on their TVs? lol I can't imagine trying to play Angry Birds on a 42" screen.
On the topic of the screen, a quick googling of the specs seems to pull up it's just a TFT normal LCD screen like the MT4G, EVO, or Droid series. There was a picture LG sent to Phandroid showing their screen to be better than SAMOLED/Retina, but it was a photoshopped image made to generate buzz.
no not going to buy, because there is currently is no real world advantage to have a Dual Core phone. Hell most people dont even have dual core PCs
I bought my infuse just 3 months after buying the inspire. Luckily i got the inspire for $99 however I did pay full price $599 for infuse. I didn't realize the Galaxy S 2 was out already, now i want to buy the $850 Galaxy S2. It's getting great reviews all around. I can sell my inspire for $350 and take infuse back to best buy and get back $642 with tax, and that's way more then enough to get an international Galaxy S2 without anymore money out of pocket. Has all AT&T bands so 3G and 4G will be no problem. I like my infuse, however if i got the dual core GS2 I think I'd be satisfied with the phone for at least a year rather then 6 months like usual.
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I bought my infuse just 3 months after buying the inspire. Luckily i got the inspire for $99 however I did pay full price $599 for infuse. I didn't realize the Galaxy S 2 was out already, now i want to buy the $850 Galaxy S2. It's getting great reviews all around. I can sell my inspire for $350 and take infuse back to best but and get back $642 with tax, and that's way more then enough to get an international Galaxy S2 without anymore money out of pocket. Has all AT&T bands so 3G and 4G will be no problem. I like my infuse, however if i got the dual core GS2 I think I'd be satisfied with the phone for at least a year rather then 6 months like usual.
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I just bought it. It was $849.99 with free shipping, but i upgraded to next day air lol
I'd do it if I was you. You don't need 2 phones. It's not like you can actually use both phones at the same time. So why not get the best phone out there instead of 2 good phones?
The galaxy is an amazing phone. I have both. The screen on the infuse is actually a hit better. Both devices feel amazing in hand. I like the search button on the infuse.
The speed of the gsII is no contest though. Its so fast its ridiculous. Touch Wiz4 is a marked improvement over tw3. Is it worth the $200 premium? Provably. Just not having an at&t logo might be worth that
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The galaxy is an amazing phone. I have both. The screen on the infuse is actually a hit better. Both devices feel amazing in hand. I like the search button on the infuse.
The speed of the gsII is no contest though. Its so fast its ridiculous. Touch Wiz4 is a marked improvement over tw3. Is it worth the $200 premium? Provably. Just not having an at&t logo might be worth that
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Do you think the speed is more 2.3 or the two cores? When you hold side by side what one do you want o take off with for the day?
Do you REALLY need dual core? What is the "killer app" that uses dual core currently? Personally, I think dual core will be more important in a year or two, once some actual apps (beyond games) start taking advantage of dual core architecture. Right now, I don't see app developers really relying on dual core as the best platform to develop for - too few customers have them at this point. Just my humble opinion.
I share the opinion of deathpulse.
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Do you think the speed is more 2.3 or the two cores? When you hold side by side what one do you want o take off with for the day?
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Without a doubt the SGSII.
It's a better device.
They're both great, but it's a super easy choice.
The processor is much better dual core or not.
TW4 is way way way better.
Android natively utilizes dual cores no matter what people are confused about.
So... how does a dual core make "android" materially "better" now? Does it scroll .0001 ms faster? Is that REALLY worth a smaller/inferior screen and less battery life?
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Without a doubt the SGSII.
It's a better device.
They're both great, but it's a super easy choice.
The processor is much better dual core or not.
TW4 is way way way better.
Android natively utilizes dual cores no matter what people are confused about.
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Thanks! I'm more on the AOSP side of things and hopefully wont have to deal with any version of TW with either phone I end up with, already using cm6 mms.apk. So it comes down to cpu and memory but smaller display for 200$ more out of my pocket.... ARGH! Hard decision is hard. I just learned you can hold menu for search on the gs2 so maybe I would be ok with that (I use search as my appdrawer/contact's)
Man so much anger and hostility on these forums, calm down guys. Both phones are great it just depends on what your priorities are.
I hope my posts were not taken as "angry". I am not angry in the least - I am just trying to present a rational view of the two phones. The "big" selling point for the SG2 seems to be "dual core" but I have not heard of a single app that requires a dual core processor. To me this sounds like a GREAT marketing bullet with very little real world application. In addition, dual core processors use more power, so battery life should be lower. Overall, I am hoping someone tells me some solid and rational point that is counter to my view if my view is incorrect. I still have 3 weeks to give the Infuse back to AT&T and purchase an SG2. I do prefer a larger screen (came from the Dell Streak 5") and a longer battery life though so I do not see how the SG2 is in anyway a "better" phone. Yes it has a dual core processor - no I can't see a specific list of things/applications that a dual core would give me today that a single core does not. My answer will likely be different in 6 months time, so I will re-evaluate to see if new apps etc come out that require dual core and purchase the best device when that time comes.
Thoughts?
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I hope my posts were not taken as "angry". I am not angry in the least - I am just trying to present a rational view of the two phones. The "big" selling point for the SG2 seems to be "dual core" but I have not heard of a single app that requires a dual core processor. To me this sounds like a GREAT marketing bullet with very little real world application. In addition, dual core processors use more power, so battery life should be lower. Overall, I am hoping someone tells me some solid and rational point that is counter to my view if my view is incorrect. I still have 3 weeks to give the Infuse back to AT&T and purchase an SG2. I do prefer a larger screen (came from the Dell Streak 5") and a longer battery life though so I do not see how the SG2 is in anyway a "better" phone. Yes it has a dual core processor - no I can't see a specific list of things/applications that a dual core would give me today that a single core does not. My answer will likely be different in 6 months time, so I will re-evaluate to see if new apps etc come out that require dual core and purchase the best device when that time comes.
Thoughts?
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Galaxy S II:
Dual core cpu (vs. single on the Infuse, but supposedly still gets great battery life)
Faster GPU than the Infuse (but not by a massive amount)
1GB RAM (vs. ~640MB in the Infuse)
1080p video recording and playback (vs. 720p on the Infuse)
Gingerbread out of the box (vs. Froyo on the Infuse)
TouchWiz 4.0 (quite a few nice enhancements over TW 3.0 on the Infuse, and much sexier as well)
But it also has a smaller/less quality screen, correct? What is Touchwiz? I use ADW - does that work with Touchwiz? 1080p is no advantage for me either. Not sure why you would want this in a phone? hmm.... What does 1GB of RAM give me?
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But it also has a smaller/less quality screen, correct? What is Touchwiz? I use ADW - does that work with Touchwiz? 1080p is no advantage for me either. Not sure why you would want this in a phone? hmm....
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Same quality screen, just slightly smaller, which will actually make it look sharper.
Pretty much everything that came on your phone is part of or influenced by the "TouchWiz UI". The launcher, theme, and all of the apps that aren't from the Market or from AT&T (Phone, Messaging, Browser, Gallery, Memo, etc., etc., etc.). So the theme and pretty much all of the software on the Galaxy S II has been tweaked/improved/changed compared to the Infuse. Samsung's latest Android customizations and apps if you will.
Im thinking i will use the infuse until next summer..by then im the res.will be better and maybe quad core and better batt.life and of course i now require a 4.5 screen
So, in your opinion, I should return the Infuse and get the SG2? Any thoughts on which platform will have more development for it? THis matters to me more than Gingerbread and Tocuhwiz...
Also forgot to mention:
Full HDMI mirroring (vs. limited HDMI output on the Infuse)
NFC (only on some Galaxy S II versions, like the ones in Korea)
16GB and 32GB versions (vs. just a 16GB version of the Infuse)
8GB MicroSD card included (vs. 2GB on the Infuse)
What is NFC? I already have a few 32gb micoSD cards - that is a wash. Does the SG2 have network media sharing like the Infuse?
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So, in your opinion, I should return the Infuse and get the SG2? Any thoughts on which platform will have more development for it? THis matters to me more than Gingerbread and Tocuhwiz...
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Galaxy S II will have 50 times more development for it.
Don't get me wrong, the Infuse is a great phone, but it's no Galaxy S II. Whether you should get it or not depends on what you can afford. You could buy the Infuse for $200 on contract, sell it for $500, and then get a GSII for $750. Just depends on whether or not the features/improvements I mentioned are worth ~$250 extra to you. If you have money to throw around, definitely do it. If $250 sounds like a lot to you, maybe wait 2-3 months until the Galaxy S II officially comes to AT&T and you can get it cheaper. Or if you're perfectly content with your Infuse and none of the things I listed sound appealing, that's a fine choice too.
Money is really not the issue .
Hello,
I got a lil problem with choosing my next phone, and yeah lets start with some info.
So my contract ends at 22/10/2011, and I am in for a new phone.
I currently have an Iphone 3GS, and would like to upgrade to android.
I don't really want to go Iphone 4, reasons will be explained further in the post.
So my choices are SGSII,Nexus S,HTC Sensation.
What I like about the SGSII, its fastest, SAMOLED, much capacity,
dislike, the plastic not stury/tough feeling.
HTC sensation, yeah it got the sturdiness and toughness, and camera is a bit better but thats it, doesnt have real big cons, lil less ram than SGSII and doesn't have a big internal memory.
Nexus S, I dont know rofl. SAMOLED Screen
Contract durations for HTC&SGSII is 2 years.
" " for the Nexus is only 1 year.
Ill need to add a 38 euro on top of my contract for SGSII.
It's totally free, the HTC with same Contract.
Nexus needs only 24 euro, note 1 year only!
Well if i chose the Nexus I could let the dual core mature.
Not many things are optimized anyway for Dual core.
If I chose the SGSII, well yeah it got many + but sturdiness is something really important for me.
HTC, it got less memory but heck i could buy from the 34 euro memory, price difference.
Now we are at the Iphone part, yeah the problem is I need to add a whopping 190 euro for a iphone 4 with 2 year contract, and 16GB.
All contracts are the same, same provider and same contract only contract lengths vary.
Also, if I get the Nexus i am able to choose between black white and silver!
Yeah that would totally be awesome silver, and doesnt it have the rumoured 2.4?
oh yeah who need Google+ pm meh
updated my titl.
does now anybody wants to help i hope so.
Galaxy S2. Sensation isn´t device what we want. Get a Evo 3D or a Galaxy s2
well Nexus S is also a choice as it only is 1 year
and its a great phone overall except it lacks a dual core..
and I would be able to get the n33t color Silver,
maybe it has android 2.4 ??
Also the screen wont be silver i guess, thats something i dislike/...
I've used all of them so here we go!
Does looking at a SAMOLED+ make your pants wet?
>If Yes, get the SGSII
>If No, Continue
Do you like Sense and use Sense Apps alot?
>If Yes, get the Sensation
>If No, Continue
Are you maticulous about keeping your screen "Scratch Free"?
>If Yes, get the SGSII
>If No, Continue
Do you want no extra features, a curved phone, a miss-matched UI Out-dated and the plasicy feel of Samsung without the GorillaGlass?
>If Yes, Get the Nexus S
>If No, Repeat and be more honest
Doesn't take into account contract length but...eh
Your contract isn't up til October? A lot can happen in the smartphone world in 3 months, something could come along or be announced that you want more.
That said, the nexus will always be first to get android OS updates, including ice cream sandwich (which will be coming later this year and will be 4.0).
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I've used all of them so here we go!
Does looking at a SAMOLED+ make your pants wet?
>If Yes, get the SGSII,or skip to the end
>If No, Continue
Do you like Sense and use Sense Apps alot?
>If Yes, get the Sensation
>If No, Continue
Are you maticulous about keeping your screen "Scratch Free"?
>If Yes, get the SGSII
>If No, Continue
Do you want no extra features, a curved phone, a miss-matched UI Out-dated and the plasicy feel of Samsung without the GorillaGlass?
>If Yes, Get the Nexus S
>If No, Repeat and be more honest
Doesn't take into account contract length but...eh
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lol also it would be rooted so yeah the ui, who cares about that?
and curved phone isn't that totally awesome?
honestly i dunno maybe it is maybe it isnt.
Nexus S also has a SAMOLED, as its been made by samsung? and choice one is also a samsung so i dont/can't understand your negativenism about it if you start with a samsung phone in your list.
also i get to choose between, black/white/silver
SILVER
and when will the quads come?
Go sgs! you can always get rid of touchwizz.
Audren - SGS2 i9100 MIUI 1.7.8 - xda premium app
well SGSII is my least favorite choice..
it's too light, and i dont really like it how thin it is.
what about if i sit on it?
my phone is ****ed then. becuase of its thinness.
Is it me or do you guys dislike the Nexus S?
I sense some doubt.... choose the nexus s. It won't disappoint you and after a year with Android you also know if you like the os.
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I'm very confused which to choose.
Nexus S is cheap as its only a 1 year contract with T-mobile NL,
the HTC+SGSII will both be 2 years,
but I am wavering cause in that one year there might be happening something big..
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Hello,
I got a lil problem with choosing my next phone, and yeah lets start with some info.
So my contract ends at 22/10/2011, and I am in for a new phone.
I currently have an Iphone 3GS, and would like to upgrade to android.
I don't really want to go Iphone 4, reasons will be explained further in the post.
So my choices are SGSII,Nexus S,HTC Sensation.
What I like about the SGSII, its fastest, SAMOLED, much capacity,
dislike, the plastic not stury/tough feeling.
HTC sensation, yeah it got the sturdiness and toughness, and camera is a bit better but thats it, doesnt have real big cons, lil less ram than SGSII and doesn't have a big internal memory.
Nexus S, I dont know rofl. SAMOLED Screen
Contract durations for HTC&SGSII is 2 years.
" " for the Nexus is only 1 year.
Ill need to add a 38 euro on top of my contract for SGSII.
It's totally free, the HTC with same Contract.
Nexus needs only 24 euro, note 1 year only!
Well if i chose the Nexus I could let the dual core mature.
Not many things are optimized anyway for Dual core.
If I chose the SGSII, well yeah it got many + but sturdiness is something really important for me.
HTC, it got less memory but heck i could buy from the 34 euro memory, price difference.
Now we are at the Iphone part, yeah the problem is I need to add a whopping 190 euro for a iphone 4 with 2 year contract, and 16GB.
All contracts are the same, same provider and same contract only contract lengths vary.
Also, if I get the Nexus i am able to choose between black white and silver!
Yeah that would totally be awesome silver, and doesnt it have the rumoured 2.4?
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According to what I've read, the Nexus S would be the best choice for music playing. It supposedly has a Wolfson DAC. And it has an actual gyrometer like the iPhone 4. The Nexus S is like a Farrari clothed in an Hyundai. It has some high-spec hardware. Think of it as Google's iPhone.
But if I were to choose between those 3, I would probably go with the Sensation. I love the style and feel of the Sensation and Sense 3 is excellent. I know that when I got my Inspire, I felt about it the same way I feel about the Sensation and found that I continually value my Inspire...it continually pleases me...in stock form, no less.
For best audio - Nexus S
For lasting appeal - Sensation
For high-end specs - SGS2
By far the SGSII is the best phone for the money out of your choices. But, you seem sold on the nexus s.. so get that.
if you are worried about it being to light or thin (whaa?) try this... http://www.otterbox.com/Samsung-Gal...olor=20&start=1&cgid=samsung-galaxy-s-2-cases
All in all, we really aren't going to do anymore convincing for you, since you already have your mind (pretty much) made up.
To me, it looks clear that you've already chosen The Nexus S, now I'm curious why it receives updates first?
arilsongomes said:
To me, it looks clear that you've already chosen The Nexus S, now I'm curious why it receives updates first?
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because it is Google's platform phone i.e. - meant to show off Android's capabilities. It is completely untouched stock Android, so when Google pushes out updates, the Nexus line is the first to get it. It is also Google's development device, and developers need access to new updates to get their applications running smoothly on them.
All in all, the Nexus line aims to give the Android experience, as Google intended for it to be consumed.
nope not at all, its just that you guys assume i set my eyes on Nexus S.
But thats only because you guys only said SGSII and that was my least favorite choice, and not much about the sensation which was my 2nd choice.
the samsung has some bad things i heard about and i absolutely dont want to have, i might get a revision that fixed it but i might not. The yellowing.
and abotu that otterbox i dont know if it will feel right.
It looks like i set my eyes on the nexus cuz it was a phone i always wanted till the dual cores came, so it got scrapped of my list. but now it is way cheaper than any other phone, so i reconsidered this phone again. The get is why i actually want it is cause I just want to see how much the multicore chips will develop in that time frame and maybe i would get a much better optimized phone when my nexus contract ends then.
Samsung Galaxy S II! Dual-core, 4.3" screen, and it looks beautiful!
lol just gone to the shop,
they started **** about the SGS+ being super fast like an half time faster than his SGS ETC. that dual core is slow becuase it has dual core, i thought so wtf??
he explained like becuase the work load is spread over 2 cores the workload is 2 times as much, omg....
reverse psychology as nvidia explained their TEGRA? rofl rofl rofl..
and he said the Nexus S just plain sucked cuz its a google phone..
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lol just gone to the shop,
they started **** about the SGS+ being super fast like an half time faster than his SGS ETC. that dual core is slow becuase it has dual core, i thought so wtf??
he explained like becuase the work load is spread over 2 cores the workload is 2 times as much, omg....
reverse psychology as nvidia explained their TEGRA? rofl rofl rofl..
and he said the Nexus S just plain sucked cuz its a google phone..
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Yeah, apparently Samsung is making very enticing offers to sales staff for every Samsung branded phone they sell. It happens, and even though the Nexus S is a Samsung phone, it's a Google branded phone and Samsung wouldn't make as much on its sales as they would on their main product.
He said i would better not buy a dual core like the SGSII and said i could better take the SGS+ cuz its faster?
so he get something for selling samsung? but doesnt recommend the SGSII?