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[Q] Any other phones coming out soonish that may be better than Nexus S

So I'm getting the itch to get a new phone. I've currently got a Cliq that I've rooted and customized as I like it so I don't NEED a new phone. I just want one.
I'm with T-Mobile and my wife just recently got the Vibrant. In messing around with it, I think that without the Touch wiz, I'd be really happy with it. Which leads me to the Nexus S. The only reservation I have about the Nexus is the lack of SD card since I carry a ton of music with me for flights. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it does make me pause.
Does anyone know of any new phones that may be coming out within the next 3-4 months that may be better than the Nexus S?
Thanks

There is always something better around the corner...
But the main advantage to getting a stock Google Phone is that you will get OS updates much faster then everyone else with android skinned devices.
If you like android this is an excellent buy.

Yeah, I know that is a huge advantage to the Nexus line, but I also know that if there is a great phone out there, people will root it and develop for it.
Like I said, I don't "need" a new phone, and the only thing making me think twice is the lack of SD card for music and movie space. (I travel a lot so the less electronics I have to pack the better.) I'm just curious if it would be better for me to wait to buy one in a few months or take the plunge Thursday.

The thing about the Nexus S is that it's future proof, by that I mean so many phones out there will only get 2 updates and thats it. With the Nexus S you could keep it as long as you want because you know your going to continually get updates directly from Google.
Too many people pay attention to wether or not there is better hardware on the horizon when they really should pay attention to whether their software will continue to be updated and keep the device alive and youthful.

Google LG Star benchmarks
This will be the first true Dual-core proc phone and it blows everything away in the benchmarks.

Beatle405 said:
So I'm getting the itch to get a new phone. I've currently got a Cliq that I've rooted and customized as I like it so I don't NEED a new phone. I just want one.
I'm with T-Mobile and my wife just recently got the Vibrant. In messing around with it, I think that without the Touch wiz, I'd be really happy with it. Which leads me to the Nexus S. The only reservation I have about the Nexus is the lack of SD card since I carry a ton of music with me for flights. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it does make me pause.
Does anyone know of any new phones that may be coming out within the next 3-4 months that may be better than the Nexus S?
Thanks
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Wait till CES in January (6-9), there will be tons of new Android devices announced.

siberslug said:
Google LG Star benchmarks
This will be the first true Dual-core proc phone and it blows everything away in the benchmarks.
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Who truly needs a dual core cellphone though, honestly most people dont even need a dual core PC

To answer your actual question, the only two that have *strong* rumors that I've heard of, are the Evo Shift and the Playstation phone. As for the Shift, the current rumors don't put its specs as all that impressive (no front camera and snapdragon CPU). Supposedly we'll hear about the Playstation phone in February. I've read that its display is supposed to rival the iPhone 4's, whatever that is. In addition, there is a not so strong rumor that Samsung's next flagship will be in Q1. Which should definitely be better than the Nexus S in specs. Motorola is supposed to unveil some new hotness at CES. Probably actually launched late Q1 or after.
My guess is if you want a phone that clearly blows away the Nexus S, you'll be waiting until Q2 or Q3 of next year.

basically it comes down to this.
If your a t-mobile customer and are not going to leave anytime soon, then the Nexus S is the best phone for you.
If you don't mind leaving t-mobile, then wait because in 4-6 months verizon and sprint will probably both get dual core phones but it'll probably be 12 months for T-Mobile to get off their ass and get one. outside of the galaxy s 2, but thats touchwiz.
Also if you just want a stock android phone, then go for it as well because there won't be another one for a while.

Q2 or Q3 may be too long for me. I've read of the Playstation phone and it seems like it may be pretty cool, but I just don't know if I want to wait that long. Is it going to be unlocked to all carriers? I am in a 2 year contract with T-Mobile due to getting my wife a new phone, leaving is pretty much not an option.
More than likely my desire for a new phone will overtake my ability to wait and I'll be at a Best Buy Thursay morning before work.
Any chance they will add an SD card to the Nexus S in the near future???

Beatle405 said:
Q2 or Q3 may be too long for me. I've read of the Playstation phone and it seems like it may be pretty cool, but I just don't know if I want to wait that long. Is it going to be unlocked to all carriers? I am in a 2 year contract with T-Mobile due to getting my wife a new phone, leaving is pretty much not an option.
More than likely my desire for a new phone will overtake my ability to wait and I'll be at a Best Buy Thursay morning before work.
Any chance they will add an SD card to the Nexus S in the near future???
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no idea how the playstation phone carrier wise is going to work, hopefully it will be all carriers, but who knows.
Unfortountly it's safe to say that they will not be adding in an SD slot to the Nexus S. Between tons of apps to stream music and video, and the 13GB of storage that acts like an SD, it should be enough.

You could always buy the Nexus S then return it before the 30 days if they announce promising phones during CES. I'll be working the registration desk at CES so hopefully I have time to look around to play around with all the new phones and gagdets.

Beatle405 said:
So I'm getting the itch to get a new phone. I've currently got a Cliq that I've rooted and customized as I like it so I don't NEED a new phone. I just want one.
I'm with T-Mobile and my wife just recently got the Vibrant. In messing around with it, I think that without the Touch wiz, I'd be really happy with it. Which leads me to the Nexus S. The only reservation I have about the Nexus is the lack of SD card since I carry a ton of music with me for flights. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it does make me pause.
Does anyone know of any new phones that may be coming out within the next 3-4 months that may be better than the Nexus S?
Thanks
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Within the next 3-4 months? Hmm.
And also, better? They may be competitors, depending on how you look at it.
There's the LG Star, Motorola Olympus, PlayStation Phone, Evo Shift, and possible Galaxy S 2. Not all of these are confirmed for next '3-4 months' and even then, they might not even be "better".
Sure, the LG Star packs a Tegra 2. Which, in all honesty, has a GPU which barely tops the Hummingbird. Tegra 2 is nothing to be too excited about. If you want a dual core, you want the dual core Snapdragon or the Orion. The Orion will most likely be the only one paired with a gorgeous Super Amoled which is unmatched but this is also preference. Even then, these may not be out for over 4 months.
Also you need to consider software. Generally, nothing runs faster than AOSP. Nor is as open nor fast to get updated. The Nexus One STILL holds its ground merely because it has Froyo when Galaxy S phones still don't. It may not be as powerful as fast, and it may be sluggish, but it's still "ahead" in a sense. This will probably be the case with the Nexus S and Honeycomb, with the exception that this thing has a friggin Hummingbird, which is theoretically capable of running Quake 3 Arena at 90fps with the 56 fps limit unlocked.
Don't get me wrong though, the Tegra 2 isn't BAD. But it isn't worth jumping the gun over a Hummingbird when the Snapdragon and Orion are around the corner to the Tegra 2. Tegra 2 and Hummingbird is like an 'either, or'. Don't let the Tegra 2 be your deciding factor. It's all about the carrier, the way the phone feels to you, and just personal preference in general. If you think the LG Star is hot, then that's what you should get. If you think the Nexus S is hot, then that's what you should get. They will probably perform about equal.
ap3604 said:
The thing about the Nexus S is that it's future proof, by that I mean so many phones out there will only get 2 updates and thats it. With the Nexus S you could keep it as long as you want because you know your going to continually get updates directly from Google.
Too many people pay attention to wether or not there is better hardware on the horizon when they really should pay attention to whether their software will continue to be updated and keep the device alive and youthful.
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Couldn't have said it better.
siberslug said:
Google LG Star benchmarks
This will be the first true Dual-core proc phone and it blows everything away in the benchmarks.
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Benchmarks shmenchmarks. My Nexus One stock outbenchmarks my Vibrant stock 2.2 in both Quadrant and Linpack but the Vibrant is way faster and way smoother. WAYYYY.
blix247 said:
To answer your actual question, the only two that have *strong* rumors that I've heard of, are the Evo Shift and the Playstation phone. As for the Shift, the current rumors don't put its specs as all that impressive (no front camera and snapdragon CPU). Supposedly we'll hear about the Playstation phone in February. I've read that its display is supposed to rival the iPhone 4's, whatever that is. In addition, there is a not so strong rumor that Samsung's next flagship will be in Q1. Which should definitely be better than the Nexus S in specs. Motorola is supposed to unveil some new hotness at CES. Probably actually launched late Q1 or after.
My guess is if you want a phone that clearly blows away the Nexus S, you'll be waiting until Q2 or Q3 of next year.
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The thing about the PlayStation Phone is that well, it's clunky and huge, and potentially ugly.

I'll tell everyone a secret android is all about software so even if someone puts out a quadcore phone that still won't let it get the newest updates any faster. After 2 years of owning stock android phones I have read thousands of posts of people complaining about why their super phone has yet to get the latest update. Even nexus users had a thread that was 5000 posts of them yelling at Google because 2.2 was a month late.
Sent from my Nexus One

siberslug said:
Google LG Star benchmarks
This will be the first true Dual-core proc phone and it blows everything away in the benchmarks.
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The only problem is that Android isn't built and optimized (yet) for more than one core. The dual core isn't going to be making a huge impact probably for another six months or more. If you are looking for a phone now, it sounds like the Nexus S is it.
I think this thread convinced me finally to get the NS

Are you guys sure you want a dual core phone? Because, you know, there are already rumors of a quad core phone coming out in 2012 or whatever. Might as well wait for it.

I'm on TMobile... I won't be waiting around. I'm grateful this phone is releasing because after that you got the MT4G's childish face looking you in the eye. And who knows how soon TMO will drop us another gem that competes w/ the NS.

siberslug said:
Google LG Star benchmarks
This will be the first true Dual-core proc phone and it blows everything away in the benchmarks.
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42fps nenamark + 67 fps neocore @ lg star... 1-8fps more for tegra in comparsion to hummingbird is way less then i thought and not worth an upgrade (yet) .... the difference between snapdragon and hunmingbird is much bigger regarding the gpu
Edit: getting 47.1fps on my sgs in nenamark... 59fps at neocore(seems to be limited to 59...) sooo where's the point in tegra2 anyway?
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Hey mklgee, you mentioned buying the Nexus S and then returning within 30 days. Is this an option Best Buy does with smartphones? If so, that is an interesting idea if something does pop up soon after the Nexus release.
After reading these discussions, I think I will just go ahead and get the Nexus S on Thursday. I do wish it had an SD card though. I currently have a 16gb SD card in my Cliq that is filled with music, pics, and app info. I just hope a phone doesn't come out say in April that is so much better to make me remourseful.
Thanks for the discussion points guys.

Beatle405 said:
Hey mklgee, you mentioned buying the Nexus S and then returning within 30 days. Is this an option Best Buy does with smartphones? If so, that is an interesting idea if something does pop up soon after the Nexus release.
After reading these discussions, I think I will just go ahead and get the Nexus S on Thursday. I do wish it had an SD card though. I currently have a 16gb SD card in my Cliq that is filled with music, pics, and app info. I just hope a phone doesn't come out say in April that is so much better to make me remourseful.
Thanks for the discussion points guys.
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Most stores have 30 day return policies generally. They may charge restocking fees. Look it up

Time to upgrade already??

I've had the Captivate since XMas, and now with the Motorola Atrix being released March 1st by AT&T I have to have it.....
Why? Dual core 1Gig processors, 1 gig ram, front facing camera, FM radio, gorilla glass, 4G speeds, 1950 mah battery, a real LED light, etc..... and its a Motorola.
It's going to be a better more capable phone, but also very expensive, No price set yet, but its going for 650 euros which is 950 US give or take.
The good news is that all of the purchased apps will port over to the new phone
panflute

I don't see what's so great about it... Captivate already has Gorilla Glass, AT&T's 4G is equivalent if you already have a HSUPA-enabled Captivate, and Motorola makes some of the crappiest phones that I have ever used (not since the STAR-TAC have they made a good phone in my opinion).

People should treat these phones like our PC's. You buy one now, it's outdated around 6 months or less.
Double edge sword: Yay! I bought the latest and greatest!
****! I bought the latest and greatest 6 months ago.

Xstop said:
People should treat these phones like our PC's. You buy one now, it's outdated around 6 months or less.
Double edge sword: Yay! I bought the latest and greatest!
****! I bought the latest and greatest 6 months ago.
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Ain't that the truth..

Aus_Azn said:
I don't see what's so great about it... Captivate already has Gorilla Glass, AT&T's 4G is equivalent if you already have a HSUPA-enabled Captivate, and Motorola makes some of the crappiest phones that I have ever used (not since the STAR-TAC have they made a good phone in my opinion).
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Just because u enable hsupa doesn't make it equivalent to the atrix 4g....technically its not really 4g...its hsupa+ which the captivate does not have.... theoretically hsupa+ can achieve 4g speeds but not regularly. I feel the atrix is going to be a far superior phone. The only thing ill miss is my super amoled. And it has motoblur which motoblows but isn't as bad as touchwhiz but im sure it wont long until it gets rooted and roms are available. Plus it ships with froyo which we still have yet to officially get
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Doesn't att always remove the FM software?

Smallsmx3 said:
Just because u enable hsupa doesn't make it equivalent to the atrix 4g....technically its not really 4g...its hsupa+ which the captivate does not have.... theoretically hsupa+ can achieve 4g speeds but not regularly. I feel the atrix is going to be a far superior phone. The only thing ill miss is my super amoled. And it has motoblur which motoblows but isn't as bad as touchwhiz but im sure it wont long until it gets rooted and roms are available. Plus it ships with froyo which we still have yet to officially get
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HSUPA has nothing to really do with AT&T's 4g claims, it is HSDPA(which the captivate has) versus HSDPA+. It has more to do with download speed than upload. HSUPA is all about faster uploads. That is what is enabled by using an i9000 ROM, kernel, and modem. All current Galaxy S phones have HSDPA compatible modems, both physically and in software. The Captivate just got gimped without HSUPA speeds.
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Man its getting harder to keep up to. More than he crappy ass reality shows on TV.
*GalaxyS*

I'm confused by this thread. The title is a question, but the OP is a statement on getting the Atrix. How about making a question on the Captivate or go to the thread about what your future phone will be as that is older than this thread.

To upgrade or not?
And is it really an upgrade? I think this is a valid topic here since we all got our Captivates relatively recently. Since posting I found more info on the Tecra 2 processors. There are at least 5 phones set to be released and more coming for sure. The LG looks interesting too. I hear Motorola locked the bootloader on the Atrix. It may be too early to jump into an upgrade at this very moment till more details and facts are out. Cellhut is taking preorders for at Atrix ate $449, but there is a lot of negative comments out there on their business practices so that may be ill advised.
panflute

panflute said:
And is it really an upgrade? I think this is a valid topic here since we all got our Captivates relatively recently. Since posting I found more info on the Tecra 2 processors. There are at least 5 phones set to be released and more coming for sure. The LG looks interesting too. I hear Motorola locked the bootloader on the Atrix. It may be too early to jump into an upgrade at this very moment till more details and facts are out. Cellhut is taking preorders for at Atrix ate $449, but there is a lot of negative comments out there on their business practices so that may be ill advised.
panflute
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If you would have made your OP a question then it would have made more sense. You made a statement that "I have to have it." The bootloader will eventually get cracked, that is only a matter of time once the phone comes out. If you like Moto phones which seem up in the air for build quality that is up to you. Spec wise the Atrix is an upgrade, but that doesn't mean the Captivate or other SGS phones will be less superior. You also have to want the larger screen size and the fact it isn't SAMOLED.

panflute said:
I've had the Captivate since XMas, and now with the Motorola Atrix being released March 1st by AT&T I have to have it.....
Why? Dual core 1Gig processors, 1 gig ram, front facing camera, FM radio, gorilla glass, 4G speeds, 1950 mah battery, a real LED light, etc..... and its a Motorola.
It's going to be a better more capable phone, but also very expensive, No price set yet, but its going for 650 euros which is 950 US give or take.
The good news is that all of the purchased apps will port over to the new phone
panflute
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So what your saying is a phone coming out later is going to be better then the Captivate? I would hope it will be. Way to state the obvious bud.
But no, I will not be "upgrading" from the Captivate any time soon. The Captivate can do everything I need it to right now, and when I do upgrade to a new phone, it will be to a phone that is vastly more powerful, not just a little like the Atrix. Also I don't buy Motorola phones because they are garbage.

Upgrades upgrades upgrades....You guys will never be happy.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/nvidia-tegra-3-equipped-with-1-5ghz-quad-core-madness-teased-b/

gunstar3035 said:
I don't buy Motorola phones because they are garbage.
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QFT
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Would be there no Galaxy S sequential for AT&T?

I mean, we would get Infuse 4G in this spring. However that is not Galaxy S 2, just overclocked Captivate with better screen. Rumors confirmed that new Galaxy S series will come with Orion processor that is duelcore hummingbird. I know android OS and apps are not optimized to duel core so it could be useless battery hog until it get honeycomb.
But most concerning point is Infuse 4G will come with froyo and take time forever to get gingerbread, it is really dealbeaker. Also Infuse 4G will have no international brother like i9000 which is our ROM source.
Should I end up contract to AT&T and move on other carrier?

Given Galaxy S2 is still under tight wrap waiting to be announced at MWC, it is too early to talk about whether or not AT&T will get it.
Officially, Galaxy S2 does not even exit. So how do you know AT&T won't get it.
So far, the only Android OS I saw that mentioned dual-core support is HoneyComb (3.0) which is only for tablet. Gingerbread does not support dual core. So, having a dual core phone right now is quite useless, the other half will just stay unused.

Go to t-mobile and quit samsuck completely. AT&T is terrible with Android support, and Samsuck.....well......they suck. That is unless you want your phone to be a statistic in the Samsuck fragmentation universe.

leetpriest said:
Go to t-mobile and quit samsuck completely. AT&T is terrible with Android support, and Samsuck.....well......they suck. That is unless you want your phone to be a statistic in the Samsuck fragmentation universe.
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T-mobile sucks in this area...so that really isn't a good alternative IMHO...and I have absolutely no idea what you are saying about the fragmentation..There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
Mac

lol @ relying on a carrier to provide OS support. Do it yourself. XDA is here for a reason.

Mac11700 said:
There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
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Truer words have never been spoken.

Mac11700 said:
There really isn't any carrier that doesn't suck...they all do...some just more than others in some areas...
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QF the muther******* T!

there are rumors of the nexus s coming for at&t.
engadget dot com/2011/01/27/nexus-s-coming-in-a-new-atandt-flavor/
and at&t itself has said that this year they'll be bringing a lot of top end android phones (not gimping them to make iphone look superior). a good side-effect of them losing iphone exclusivity.
i'd wait for feb14-17 for the mobile world conference to get a better idea of which phones are coming.

Personally, the Captivate is the last Samsung product I'll buy, and probably the last product I'll buy from A**. The way I was ripped off on this phone by the customer support will survive in my memory for AT LEAST the duration of this contract. I don't care WHAT Samsung comes up with.
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cdwhit said:
Personally, the Captivate is the last Samsung product I'll buy, and probably the last product I'll buy from A**. The way I was ripped off on this phone by the customer support will survive in my memory for AT LEAST the duration of this contract. I don't care WHAT Samsung comes up with.
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I'm with you on that. Samsuck is dead to me. As soon as the Atrix or Optimus 2X hits AT&T I'm ditching my Captivate immediately.
I would like to leave AT&T too, but where I live, they have the best 3G speeds. With HSDPA/HSUPA enabled I get 2Mb down/1.5 Mb up. Verizon here cant touch that. Everybody at work has VZW and they get about 700kb up and down.

firehazard said:
lol @ relying on a carrier to provide OS support. Do it yourself. XDA is here for a reason.
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Here, here!

Unless it's the Nexus S, don't buy a Samsung anything. You'll regret it.

A nrw OS does not fix a broken phone. Even with the best OS, the bad phones turn themselves off and the GPS stays flakey. Thats not to mention that you're risking your warantee and the folks that bricked their phones upgrading. I have changed ROMS but for a top of the line smart phone, you shouldn't have to.
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lol @ relying on a carrier to provide OS support. Do it yourself. XDA is here for a reason.
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Very Good Phone
im far away from ATT so i dont know how its support works. For me the Captivate is the best phone ive ever had. I dont have any complains about it. And is even better with the great roms available here on XDA. iphone 4 lovers hate me when i show them all the things i can do... Sure there probably are better phones... but i dont see a reason to change mine for a while.

This will be my last Samsung as well. Thankfully Andromeda 1.0 makes it a usable phone to get me through this contract.

Yeah, the GPS leaves a lot to be desired. I've managed to finally get a ROM/Kernel/Modem combination that is stable, and can keep a GPS lock.
The only other Samsung phone I had prior to this was the WinMo Blackjack. Back then I didn't know enough about smartphones to be aware that it was horrible.
But, hey, I got my Captivate for free. Christmas present from my girlfriend, and she only paid $70 for the phone, screen protector, and 16 gig microSD card. So, I can't complain too much.
I am grateful to the Captivate, though. Without it, I wouldn't have learned about Android, and what true customization is all about.

cdwhit said:
A nrw OS does not fix a broken phone. Even with the best OS, the bad phones turn themselves off and the GPS stays flakey. Thats not to mention that you're risking your warantee and the folks that bricked their phones upgrading. I have changed ROMS but for a top of the line smart phone, you shouldn't have to.
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Honestly not hating on you dude, but you should buy an IPhone. If you want something that works out of the box and you don't have to mess with that's the way to go. EVERY Android handset out there requires tweaking to some degree or another. And every other manufacturer has their own issues.
Samsung has a bit of a track record of not updating and now the GPS issues. But Motorola gets you a locked boot loader. LG currently doesn't have a real competitor in the US yet. HTC just took the EVO and rebadged it for Verizon and AT&T, not to mention the Desire HD for the rest of the world.
I'm not overly thrilled with the Captivate. It's a great phone, but the lack of support from Samsung (cmon, at&t may have it's faults but they have little to do with the lack of an update or support, they just sell phones, my opinion of course.) The biggest issue for me is GPS. I do have a standalone unit for trips and such but I really like having a phone that can get me from A to B easily. I don't carry my GPS everywhere, I do carry my phone.
Would I buy another Samsung Device?? Maybe. I'd certainly wait a few weeks after it was released to see what the main issues are. As far as software, I don't care. I flash ROM's more than I change my...... Well you get my point.

if att gets the galaxy 2? it will hit in the fall of course,they will milk the atrix ,infuse and the htc dealio for all they are worth. sad reaalllymost likely increase data charges for no reason than renaming their 3g network....sounds like the goverment at work here, we need bigger goverment to counteract this maddddnesss

thecellx said:
im far away from ATT so i dont know how its support works. For me the Captivate is the best phone ive ever had. I dont have any complains about it. And is even better with the great roms available here on XDA. iphone 4 lovers hate me when i show them all the things i can do... Sure there probably are better phones... but i dont see a reason to change mine for a while.
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Gotta agree with you there. When I switched from my iPhone to the Cappy, I'll admit I went through some withdrawal basically because a comparable cydia/rock alternative wasn't readily available (I really missed the streaming video and content apps...the ones that worked anyway :/ ). The work the devs are doing within the XDA community breathed new life and excitement into my cappy. I think in time, the overall developement scene for Android will rival and (hopefully) surpass what the iPhone community has accomplished.

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Gotta agree with you there. When I switched from my iPhone to the Cappy, I'll admit I went through some withdrawal basically because a comparable cydia/rock alternative wasn't readily available (I really missed the streaming video and content apps...the ones that worked anyway :/ ). The work the devs are doing within the XDA community breathed new life and excitement into my cappy. I think in time, the overall developement scene for Android will rival and (hopefully) surpass what the iPhone community has accomplished.
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Agreed. Before I got my Captivate, I was expecting the same Cydia/Installer combo to show up a couple minutes after I got it.
Honestly, Market serves as an undermined Cydia, but iPhone does have the better dev base by a landslide and that's why it's more popular, at least for devs and the like.
If Captivate had the dev base iPhone does, I wouldn't need anything else. Then again, I don't think anyone else would, either.

Nexus S questions

Trying to weigh my options with cell service. AT&T has been bothering me lately with dropped calls, down service etc. Really looking for a new phone (currently testing the Atrix).
I have seen some people claiming they got a 2700+ on Quadrant with this phone... is this true? How do live wallpapers run on this phone? I love having the latest and greatest software, so the Atrix might not be the best choice.
Anyone have both phones to give a comparison etc? Any comments in regards to T-Mobile service?
Thanks!

The Atrix, or any of the dual core phones coming, will most likely blow the Nexus S out of the water in terms of perfrmance, especially when they have an OS buiot to work with the two cores. That being said, this thing is flying with the latest update, at least for me. The graphics are just as good as any of the other Galaxy S phones, which aren't slouches in any way. Coming from AT&T, I will say that while AT&T has more penetration in terms of 3G where I live, T-Mobile has way better speeds, I've been up to 7mbs in places close to where I live. Then again, I go anywhere coastal and I have to live on Edge while I'm down there. So just depends on your area and who's better in terms of network.

Never used AT&T so I wouldn't know but I never really have any compliants with T-Mobile. 2700+ Quadrant, yeah its possible. Quadrant benchmarks (or benchmarks) don't really mean anything to be honest.
Live Wallpapers run fine, although I don't use it.
With a Google Experience phone, you'll always have the latest updates including kernels open sourced as soon as possible.
And to be honest, the Atrix and all those other dual core phones are most likely being crippled by the custom Android skin. So it wouldn't be worth it if you want the best possible experience as a enthusiast.

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The Atrix, or any of the dual core phones coming, will most likely blow the Nexus S out of the water in terms of perfrmance, especially when they have an OS buiot to work with the two cores. That being said, this thing is flying with the latest update, at least for me. The graphics are just as good as any of the other Galaxy S phones, which aren't slouches in any way. Coming from AT&T, I will say that while AT&T has more penetration in terms of 3G where I live, T-Mobile has way better speeds, I've been up to 7mbs in places close to where I live. Then again, I go anywhere coastal and I have to live on Edge while I'm down there. So just depends on your area and who's better in terms of network.
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From this video the Atrix doesnt look like it blew the Nexus S out of anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM

@charlieb620, thanks for the link for that video, that was a really good comparision. I guess that shows that there really is a difference between Froyo and Gingerbread. I'm not knocking the Nexus in any way but when the Atrix and the rest of the Duals get better software, they will be amazing. I am surprised by the screen of the Atrix though.

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@charlieb620, thanks for the link for that video, that was a really good comparision. I guess that shows that there really is a difference between Froyo and Gingerbread. I'm not knocking the Nexus in any way but when the Atrix and the rest of the Duals get better software, they will be amazing. I am surprised by the screen of the Atrix though.
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yeah they will be amazing, but i have alot of people talking down on my Nexus since the atrix came out but every test i ran and compared i won. but i guess they when when it comes to having dual core

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@charlieb620, thanks for the link for that video, that was a really good comparision. I guess that shows that there really is a difference between Froyo and Gingerbread. I'm not knocking the Nexus in any way but when the Atrix and the rest of the Duals get better software, they will be amazing. I am surprised by the screen of the Atrix though.
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yeah they will be amazing, but i have alot of people talking down on my Nexus since the atrix came out but every test i ran and compared i won. but i guess they when when it comes to having dual core
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The truth is that until those dual core phones have Honeycomb or Ice Cream they will not perform as well as single core phones optimized for modern OS' like Gingerbread. Hell, they'll probably start to do a bit better once they have Gingerbread but it still won't beat the Nexus S.

I do find it funny that the Nexus S was supposed to have a dual core but that got axed because Gingerbread doesn't "support" dual core processors, yet all these dual core phones are shipping with Froyo. I guess that for at least a year, we can take solace in the fact that we own one of the better Android devices for the time being.

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I do find it funny that the Nexus S was supposed to have a dual core but that got axed because Gingerbread doesn't "support" dual core processors, yet all these dual core phones are shipping with Froyo. I guess that for at least a year, we can take solace in the fact that we own one of the better Android devices for the time being.
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Thats sort of the idea. I mean, the same could be said of the Nexus One; it was the best phone when it came out but not long after bigger, better, faster phones came out. Sure, when dual core phones get future iterations of Android we'll be behind the curve but by that point there will be a new Nexus at which point I'll have sold my Nexus S for the Nexus New

Stay or Go with the SkyRocket lack of Dev Support

So here we are approaching the 30 day window for returns with ATT.
I previously had a ATT Galaxy 2 and returned it for the SkyRocket because I am in an LTE area. Well I love the LTE Speeds but I have some negatives with the SR and would like some input not flames.
Concerns:
1. Processor is not as fast as the Exynos and the benchmarks support the statement. As a result video's can get choppy.
2. Kernel Development is limited and moving slow.
3. ROM Development is limited and moving slow.
I could live with issue 1 since I think with development 2 and 3 will be resolved.
I am not taking potshots at the development members. I personally have made donations to several members in hopes of stimulating the development and I appreciate all that has been done but it's not moving very well. Each and every ROM has issues whether its MMS or LTE Support or SoD on the kernel development.
So do I stay or go? What are your thoughts are you staying or going?
Does anyone see any solid development on the horizon?
Overall I believe the device is not being adopted a a high enough rate and this is definitely caused by Samsung segmenting the market by morphing this device to each and every carrier. Which has hindered the development efforts for each of these mutated devices.
Thanks for your thoughts.

Earthsdog said:
So here we are approaching the 30 day window for returns with ATT.
I previously had a ATT Galaxy 2 and returned it for the SkyRocket because I am in an LTE area. Well I love the LTE Speeds but I have some negatives with the SR and would like some input not flames.
Concerns:
1. Processor is not as fast as the Exynos and the benchmarks support the statement. As a result video's can get choppy.
2. Kernel Development is limited and moving slow.
3. ROM Development is limited and moving slow.
I could live with issue 1 since I think with development 2 and 3 will be resolved.
I am not taking potshots at the development members. I personally have made donations to several members in hopes of stimulating the development and I appreciate all that has been done but it's not moving very well. Each and every ROM has issues whether its MMS or LTE Support or SoD on the kernel development.
So do I stay or go? What are your thoughts are you staying or going?
Does anyone see any solid development on the horizon?
Overall I believe the device is not being adopted a a high enough rate and this is definitely caused by Samsung segmenting the market by morphing this device to each and every carrier. Which has hindered the development efforts for each of these mutated devices.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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The sprint and at&t og sgs2 are the most similiar to the International one.
The ****rocket and tmo sgs2 are the mutated ones.
I was planning to get a ****rocket, but after reading about the LTE throttling, bad ppi, and snapdragon chipset, I decided to sell my og SGSII and go with the Note.
Lets just say, once you use the note, you will not be able to use small phones anymore.
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xAnimal5 said:
The sprint and at&t og sgs2 are the most similiar to the International one.
The ****rocket and tmo sgs2 are the mutated ones.
I was planning to get a ****rocket, but after reading about the LTE throttling, bad ppi, and snapdragon chipset, I decided to sell my og SGSII and go with the Note.
Lets just say, once you use the note, you will not be able to use small phones anymore.
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i would agree, but the note is not LTE ready if you buy it overseas so you can keep it. once it hits the US with LTE i will buy it and will not look back.
for now i am very happy with the rocket, i dont notice this lag in videos or ****rocket talk. i had the sgs2 for a week and was not blown away buy any means in the comparison. do what you will - ITS YOUR phone and you have to live with it. i plan on upgrading to either the nexus if it hits or the Note once it hits anyway so the rocket is just a short stop for 4 months or so till one of thoes drops anyway.

Quadcores are just around the corner. Its pointless upgrading to a dual core. I will gladly keep my skyrocket until i pick up my quadcore sammy device. 4 cores mabye 2 gigs ram and a big super amoled with lte is what im waiting for

silver03wrx said:
Quadcores are just around the corner. Its pointless upgrading to a dual core. I will gladly keep my skyrocket until i pick up my quadcore sammy device. 4 cores mabye 2 gigs ram and a big super amoled with lte is what im waiting for
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+1.............

Only time will tell as far as the development goes. I don't have a skyrocket cause no lte for me. Also now reading about the throttling going on I'm not sure if I care about lte anymore. Now another question for all you lte guys is who is going to return the skyrocket for the lg nitro hd lte coming out in about a week.
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nuwayman said:
Only time will tell as far as the development goes. I don't have a skyrocket cause no lte for me. Also now reading about the throttling going on I'm not sure if I care about lte anymore. Now another question for all you lte guys is who is going to return the skyrocket for the lg nitro hd lte coming out in about a week.
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if its not samsung, im not switching<<<
and it seems ilke it has the same specs as the skyrocket less the screen.

Earthsdog said:
So here we are approaching the 30 day window for returns with ATT.
I previously had a ATT Galaxy 2 and returned it for the SkyRocket because I am in an LTE area. Well I love the LTE Speeds but I have some negatives with the SR and would like some input not flames.
Concerns:
1. Processor is not as fast as the Exynos and the benchmarks support the statement. As a result video's can get choppy.
2. Kernel Development is limited and moving slow.
3. ROM Development is limited and moving slow.
I could live with issue 1 since I think with development 2 and 3 will be resolved.
I am not taking potshots at the development members. I personally have made donations to several members in hopes of stimulating the development and I appreciate all that has been done but it's not moving very well. Each and every ROM has issues whether its MMS or LTE Support or SoD on the kernel development.
So do I stay or go? What are your thoughts are you staying or going?
Does anyone see any solid development on the horizon?
Overall I believe the device is not being adopted a a high enough rate and this is definitely caused by Samsung segmenting the market by morphing this device to each and every carrier. Which has hindered the development efforts for each of these mutated devices.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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My quad score on here (stock) is way better than my infuse. Idc about lte. My phone is always connected to wifi so its whatever. Phones take awhile to get custom roms. Give it some time to settle
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the2rrell said:
if its not samsung, im not switching<<<
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+100...... ive owned htc hero. Htc evo shift.htc evo. Lg g2x. Htc mytouch 4g. Sammy epic. Sammy epic 4g touch. Sammy sgs2. Sammy sgs2 skyrockrt. Sammy moment.. Moto atrix. Kyocera echo.. and definately sammy is much better then moto or htc or lg or kyocera.

Returned my Skyrocket, ordered the Galaxy Nexus and not looking back...

justanothernoob said:
Returned my Skyrocket, ordered the Galaxy Nexus and not looking back...
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ordered from at&t?
is it available for at&t?
Only thing I don't like is the Nexus has no expandable storage.

justanothernoob said:
Returned my Skyrocket, ordered the Galaxy Nexus and not looking back...
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Nexus Prime or Original Nexus? If not prime then I see it as a downgrade instead of an upgrade.
Note is on my radar and that is one of the reason why I switched to blood sucking AT&T from Tmobile....... just so that I can use International phones.

Mortem Tuam said:
ordered from at&t?
is it available for at&t?
Only thing I don't like is the Nexus has no expandable storage.
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The "Galaxy Nexus".
Not the Nexus One or the Nexus S. I ordered it from Expansys-usa should be here sometime this week. Nexus Prime was just a name they used when the phone was being developed. Cost me $729.99 with a -$20 coupon code for the site. The no SD card thing kinda bummed me out and thats originally why I bought the SR over it but after using google music during beta and now that its out and free. I have realized that 16gb will be enough storage for me since I can stream all of my music through google music. The SR was nice but I really want that stock android experience and not to have to wait for updates from AT&T or samsung. I got burnt out on waiting when using the Infuse. How many times did AT&T promise Gingerbread for the infuse...
If anyone wants the coupon code for Expansys usa its: 20OFFLS

Skyrocket is a nice device and we'll start seeing roms for it soon. Just give it a month or so.

arberthebarber said:
Skyrocket is a nice device and we'll start seeing roms for it soon. Just give it a month or so.
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I think so too, if all I was worried about was ROMs I would of kept my Nexus S but I love the LTE speeds......
I can wait,

Yeah LTE speeds are nice. But where I live there is no LTE. So The Galaxy Nexus was the right choice for me. Don't get me wrong the SR was a very nice device but I think i'm gonna like my Nexus better.

the2rrell said:
i would agree, but the note is not LTE ready if you buy it overseas so you can keep it. once it hits the US with LTE i will buy it and will not look back.
for now i am very happy with the rocket, i dont notice this lag in videos or ****rocket talk. i had the sgs2 for a week and was not blown away buy any means in the comparison. do what you will - ITS YOUR phone and you have to live with it. i plan on upgrading to either the nexus if it hits or the Note once it hits anyway so the rocket is just a short stop for 4 months or so till one of thoes drops anyway.
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Exactly..I tried the SGS2 orig because of this Exynos talk..well it was slower than the Skyrocket. In terms of ROM, I have it working complete with 14 toggle mod, camera hack to use power button to click, 3200-3500+ quadrant (if it means anything really) without any special kernels no overclocking etc, no random reboots, no locks to freeze and take out battery etc., NO! SODs, no video lags (whatever folks talk of..have downloaded many videos and play them directly), no MMS issue at all !...Vis Voicemail etc all work..even modified the dialer so that have the Tmob type dialer with extra button for voicemail along side the button for the phone on one side and the messaging button on the other side.
only miss in-dialer video chat (3G direct..not talking of Google talk) that is there in I9000 (orig SGS not SGS2) ROMs and the Infuse (modified dialer there too for direct video chat)..the ROM for the Sky and the T989 do not support this (maybe trying to move folks to Google Talk..do not need that)..neither does the orig
SGS2 anyway
Even have a TMob rom set up for this device with all the above except Vis Vmail..even fixed in-call volume using I727 library files..
wonder what folks are complaining about..do not care 4G LTE all that stuff..it is fast no matter what..
however .lost 70$ because of this Exynos nonsense (in my opinion)..35 restocking fee to return and 35 to change from Sky to org SGS2 back to Sky..my loss the hard way.

I am not sure why everyone is freaking out on throttling. The SR is a nice device and I have seen no problems with the chipset other than some graphics like the default homescreen image and the boot image being slower than normal. This is no different than when new GPUs come out and all the benchmark apps and drivers have to be updated/optimized for the new hardware. Throttling only comes into play IF you are on an UNLIMITED data plan and you hit the top 5% of all other users on an unlimited data plan. For me around here, the throttling SMS came in last month at at about 6.5GB of usage but I never was throttled after using about another 1GB.
The SR is a nice device that I plan on sticking with until the quads hit.
My only complaint with Samsung in general is their damn bootloader code. But then again the laughs will be on those GS II owners as well once they update. hehehe. That would be a mute point if carriers listened to customers and actually gave them what they want or actually use vs. trying to force things down our throats. In my opinion custom ROMs beat carrier ROMs for one main reason - flexibility. Those authors usually remove the crapola and add back features the carriers like to remove.

Ill never return mine unless it breaks. Phone is too nice

justanothernoob said:
The "Galaxy Nexus".
Not the Nexus One or the Nexus S. I ordered it from Expansys-usa should be here sometime this week. Nexus Prime was just a name they used when the phone was being developed. Cost me $729.99 with a -$20 coupon code for the site. The no SD card thing kinda bummed me out and thats originally why I bought the SR over it but after using google music during beta and now that its out and free. I have realized that 16gb will be enough storage for me since I can stream all of my music through google music. The SR was nice but I really want that stock android experience and not to have to wait for updates from AT&T or samsung. I got burnt out on waiting when using the Infuse. How many times did AT&T promise Gingerbread for the infuse...
If anyone wants the coupon code for Expansys usa its: 20OFFLS
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Personally, I find spending $749 vs. $0.01 for something very marginal a little over the top, to be honest. In fact, I would not even consider getting a phone locked to 3G speeds even a marginal gain considering that it does not have any storage expansion. I would regard this as a downgrade. But different strokes for different folks, I guess. Yes, it runs ICS but the Skyrocket would be running this in a few months. In addition, as this is not a phone supported by a major carrier, it would not sell into millions and it would not create the accessory and development support that carrier phones would definitely have.
Now, regarding Android 4.0 vs 2.6.6. ICS is nice but not that nice. It really would not affect much of the functionality of the phone. What does one want to do that cannot be accomplished well in 2.6.6? I cannot think of much. Wow, now you would get to customize the bottom row of the icons and have resizeable gadgets and few more goodies. You would be bored with this in a day or two. Not worth the hassle. I simply concentrate on the functionality that I need.
Now, what I need is good OS-based voice dialing. That is not available even on ICS.