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I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
Here is a link to Google forums I started about the sick color of the screen.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=26fa0683976754c4&hl=en
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I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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Google has not posted links to OTA's historically - so I don't see where that factors in.
I think you can take the fact that Google announced it was rolling out and that end user devices are receiving it (not just google employees and media units) to be a pretty good sign that it's the final OTA. As well as the fact that there are several upgrade paths provided.
On the Nexus One several "leaked" OTAs were available but they only went to google employees and media devices and provided only 1 upgrade path, from the base T-Mo version - and then only incremental upgrades for each version thereafter. The AT&T rev was left out in the cold until the final OTA at which point an OTA package was made available for every build to the final (including the leaked OTAs).
This isn't to say they won't release something in the coming weeks if they feel there are some real issues with the OTA, but given the way they've done OTAs in the past, this looks to be the OTA for 2.3.3
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I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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Well that's your opinion. here's my opinion, I have had 6 unlocked android phones and each of them had issues the Vibrant/Nuxus One/Nexus S/Evo 4G/Mytouch 3G/T-Mobile G2...Did i mention that the only one that ever rebooted on me in important phone calls was the Nexus S. I'm sorry if I can't hold my breath anymore,I guess i'm not the only one because you just trolled/flamed 2 of my threads.
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
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There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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whats the difference between them?
If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
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Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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you had the choice,you chosen the nexus S.
google didnt force you!
every phone has isue's
doesn't matter what OS is on it.
so live with it.
and get 2.3.3!! it got fixed okey?
people like you are getting really irritating for advance nexus user's
accept the pakage you bought.
they didnt force you.
I am a nexus s owner and i am happy that the update has fixed my issues with the phone not being able to make calls for the first month i had it, i love the device and am relieved i got to keep it,
I do however find the comment above wholy unjustified, rude and ignorant!
Never once have i seen this branded as "the dev phone" the only place ive seen that mentioned is ...well ...on xda the DEVELOPER forum.
I love the phone, i love this site, but are retarded unempathic rants at people who have clearly been mis-sold a device not to their preference actually appropriate? i think not!
Lovely device, sooooo glad i didnt have to take it back (i spent the first month thinking i may have to do just that).
Now try be a little more kind to people that have bought a handset they expected to act as one from the start. there is no mention of dev or test phone on tha packaging so i am sure trading standards would side with the customer with problems rather than some jumped up little dev who thinks he knows best (that let's down all them lovely kind and considerate dev's in the proccess).
Rant over sorry (really hate seeing people be so obnocious)
Loving this lil device
I want to make sure I'm understanding what's all been going on here the past few days:
A dev releases an alpha radio to the community, along with all the usual disclaimers, etc. (Name not used to protect the innocent).
People start flashing this new "alpha" radio.
Some people start to experience very odd issues which does not allow them to even get back to a stock state (like what worked with every other type of phone).
The dev becomes a little concerned - Since the dev released the radio to the community, he feels it is his duty to inform people that it may be a good idea to revert back to a non "alpha" radio release, because this alpha release may make you not be able to use your phone anymore - again this is an "alpha" release, so no telling what could be causing the issue, but since he is a respected member of the dev community, his reputation may be at stake. So he posts here on XDA.
Next thing you know...Pitchforks and torches.
Go figure.
There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
Agree, JCase has had too long of a history being supportive and on the right side of the line and in this community to be at some fault. **** happens and accidents are unpredictable for a reason. Anyone that tries to roast him doesn't appreciate the work and effort these guys spend making our devices a little bit closer to heaven.
At least he warned us before 90% of the community had bricked phones.
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There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
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Id say more like 1 in a few hundred, or even thousand, but agreed. Devs are doing a great job.
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Ya, it still amazes me that people are getting all mad and "demand" to know what, why , who, where, how, when, etc.
I'm just glad there are devs out there who can provide solutions, so that I don't have to try and create my own.
The Dev's Rock!
Yeah people need to understand the inherent risks in flashing things to their phones, even more so when its clearly stated that the leaked GB radio was an ALPHA release.
I have nothing but respect for devs who work hard to make our phones even better than what they already are.
Thanks!!!!
jcase is not to blame... it is the modders who run alpha software knowing it may brick their phones then they have to get mad at someone... rather than looking in the mirror.
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Yah I agree I mean isn't the whole rooting, custom rom an "at your own risk" anyway.. I don't get it but goes with half the crap going on these days.. No self responsibility. You flashed it you risked it..! WTF
I would really like to know why, I'm not asking for it though. I am just curious. Really I just want gb to be working safely again.
Jcase and the others have done nothing but provide excellent updates, service and everything else. I am truly impressed by their level of commitment. As others have mentioned in other threads... People get paid decent cash to do what jcase does for free. Thank you, truly.
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Well, he's got a big ego, that matches his reputation. Some people are irritated by that. But no matter what you think of him personally, he's given a lot to the bolt community and that should be respected.
I thought there were some people on here with childish attitudes. I finally realized why...some of them are....Some are younger than my own kids.
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Is Jcase really taking heat? I mean, come on people, we know going in that we can gank our phones by flashing unapproved stuff on them. We brick, we only have ourselves to blame, simple as that. I for one applaud Jcase for alerting us so quickly to the problem.
What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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The haters of jcase are using this as a reason to hate on him. Not saying it's justified, just where it comes from.
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Right. IMO, if anyone complains about a bricked device, they should be banned. The minute you root your device, the responsibility for bricking lies with you.
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"Innocent " not guilty of crime or offense. These devs keep on giving so much to us and this is how we try to repay them by persecution ,instead of the being " behind you " approach we should stand side by side with them, and after all we all practice freewill by flashing.
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Some people are stupid. Simple as that.
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I never knew who JCase was before the Thunderbolt, but I have to say he is a pretty cool dood, and it is awesome to see Devs getting leaks like he does. Never saw any of this with the Evo 4G. We never got to have new radios/roms of new firmware versions until after then had been out a week or two and devs had gotten a hold of them. Here we have them weeks if not months in advance, and I applaud him, and other devs for that.
And just think, they do this all without expecting anything.
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I haven't really been following the story, so I didn't know a dev was taking heat. Lame. Had my phone ended up bricked, I'd blame myself.
I know that a Q3 release of Gingerbread for the HTC Thunderbolt is sort of assumed at this point since they missed their Q2 deadline, but we wanted to point out that HTC service reps have been given the “OK” to spread the word. One of our readers reached out to express his concerns over the various problems with his device and received a response back that included word on the update:
…We will certainly pass along your concerns to the developers at HTC. We are working hard to address the issues you have mentioned with future updates for the device. We are excited to announce that the HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Q3 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability…
Not surprising of course since we are already in Q3, but that should at least narrow it down to some time within the next 8 weeks. Uggh. And still no word on the original Incredible – we’re thinking Q3 for it as well, though.
Cheers Todd!
yawn...........
I'll wait until I actually see a released gingerbread update.
It cracks me up how the same reps told everyone that the TB is getting GB by the end of the 2Q and that never happened. Now the same people give a new timeline and we are suppose to believe them? Why is this even news?
Same for the Incredible. We were given end of June, then July, now nothing.
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XRSTOY1 said:
I know that a Q3 release of Gingerbread for the HTC Thunderbolt is sort of assumed at this point since they missed their Q2 deadline, but we wanted to point out that HTC service reps have been given the “OK” to spread the word. One of our readers reached out to express his concerns over the various problems with his device and received a response back that included word on the update:
…We will certainly pass along your concerns to the developers at HTC. We are working hard to address the issues you have mentioned with future updates for the device. We are excited to announce that the HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Q3 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability…
Not surprising of course since we are already in Q3, but that should at least narrow it down to some time within the next 8 weeks. Uggh. And still no word on the original Incredible – we’re thinking Q3 for it as well, though.
Cheers Todd!
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE SPECULATIONS ON UPDATE why bother their just cutting the cord on frankinbolt
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
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If you don't like it, just report it. They'll take a look at it quickly.
its funny how the most hype 4G device is getting treated like this. Other phones are getting GB before the TB sigh
Gotta wonder why they are treating this phone this way? Strange
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
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At least its in the right section
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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Exactly! People complain about the battery but this phone does, for all intents and purposes, the same things as their PC's at home. They're on it constantly and then complain when it dies in six hours. Most standard laptop batteries don't last six hours.
People will never be happy and will continue to blame the networks and the manufacturers for being at fault.
This is why we root and this is why we continue to support our developers.
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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I believe we do have a confirmed Verizon rep (or two) here on XDA, just like we have SamsungJohn...
Regardless, rumor threads should be locked after the first post, since there are no facts and it seems EVERYONE has an opinion. On that note...
LOCKED!
Today the Moto upgrade page changed the status of the AT&T Atrix 2 and Atrix 4G to "Further plans coming soon," so they have reneged on their promise of 3rd quarter of this year. Thanks Moto for heaping a stinking load of cow dung on us. Why did they have people sign up for a soak test that never happened? Here is the upgrade page updated on 22-September-2012.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Unless they plan on going straight to Jelly Bean this is very upsetting.
I'm really hoping that this means we are going straight to JB, but knowing Moto, who knows. I guess we are lucky they haven't relegated us to staying on GB like they did with some of the other devices on that list.
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They could've just released the second or first leak as the OTA and unlocked the BL and ppl would've been happy.
Hopefully we get JB... not counting on it though. Good thing i decided to install the leak and SCv7. Thanks to jim and rdavisct and all the devs here.
Motorola sucks! I'm very upset about this.
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Other regions are getting ICS rolled out...
Its not moto its at&t, and its at&t about the bootloaders too, the Photon Q is a sprint phone, thats why you can unlock the bootloader.
I'm going to blame the carriers on this one. No other reason moto can roll out ICS to Atrix 2 that are in other regions other then the USA.
FYI: ICS is official in the SEA region as of 11 Sept. The website says Q4 2012, but let me assure you, that is not the case.
Motorola SEA
11 September
Good morning! We are pleased to let our Motorola XOOM2 and ATRIX2 users know that they will be receiving an over-the-air update to Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich). Users can also do a manual upgrade by going to Settings\About Tablet\Systems Updates. Please note that the upgrade does not allow for a previous version of Android to be re-installed, and we do recommend that users back up their data prior to this upgrade.
For more inquiries please contact our Product Inquiry Hotlines listed in our previous post. Thank you.
Yes, after some reflection the blame should be on AT&T. Atrix 2s all over the world including China, Cambodia, India and more got the ICS update already. So the likely reason is that AT&T blocked the update so people would upgrade to a new phone and extend their contracts. Since I am using an AT&T Atrix 2 (unlocked) in Thailand that is not an option for me. For regular AT&T customers with an Atrix 2, it looks like AT&T scubmagged you.
I am not a litigious person but if AT&T is blocking these updates, there are some grounds for us the consumer for a legal remedy. There are bugs and problems with the current OS and the update is supposed to fix these for us. The fact that AT&T is blocking us from getting them from the manufacturer is a violation and breach of our warranty and grounds for a lawsuit.
I am now a bit more thankful that I moved onto the AHD, however I mourn for all of my Atrix 2 friends here.
The good news is that the A2 community already has two different ICS leaks which have been worked on since early July, so it's not as if the phones can't run ICS at all. Needless to say, AT&T seems to be the culprit for this major hold-up.
Also, @ ajsedlacek, you likely wouldn't be able to sue AT&T for anything. They probably have a clause releasing them from any potential lawsuits once you sign a contract agreement with them.
Agree 100% with this. In the US the carriers hold all the power. None of them are exempt. Heck... look at the BS Verizon pulled with their "Nexus"
All international phones will get updates first for a variety of reasons, with a big reason being the carriers
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I think most of us saw this coming. When I woke up this morning and saw the news, it definitely wasn't surprising to me.
My opinion on all of this, screw it. We've got awesome Devs here that are absolutely awesome at what they do, and personally, the LEAKS that we have of ICS are just fine for me.
Also, CM10 from Jim (and others) is right around the corner, and that excites me much more than getting official ICS. Granted it would be nice to have the official version, but there are better things in store for our Atrix 2.
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I think most of us saw this coming. When I woke up this morning and saw the news, it definitely wasn't surprising to me.
My opinion on all of this, screw it. We've got awesome Devs here that are absolutely awesome at what they do, and personally, the LEAKS that we have of ICS are just fine for me.
Also, CM10 from Jim (and others) is right around the corner, and that excites me much more than getting official ICS. Granted it would be nice to have the official version, but there are better things in store for our Atrix 2.
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I agree 100%.
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What folks here really need to do, is swallow their 'entitlements' and stop acting like they're "owed" something. It's getting ridiculous, and rather embarrassing to read. You all bought an Atrix 2, that doesn't mean you also purchased the moon and the stars and everything else you've ever wished upon. We get what we get, so don't throw a fit. Whatever comes our way, will be made more amazing by our talented development team. Stop crying about timetables, what you anticipated, and what you feel you deserve. It's a phone for Christ's sake, and to be such malcontents about when we "get this or that" is leaving a rather bitter, self-warranted, rotten taste in the mouth of this forum. Does Motorola suck? Yeah, undeniably so. Does AT&T hold back inexplicably? Certainly. But, you bought the tickets, now take the ride. Stop complaining, or buy another phone. If you're staying with the A2, you can take solace in the fact we have an inarguable competence and talent here, otherwise, take your b¡tching elsewhere. It's growing ever so redundant, and removes from the integrity of everything we've done here, if the threads are flooded with crap like this...
Two bits offered, take 'em or leave 'em...
EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but c'mon, enough is enough.
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whatever, man
i told my mommy im not getting ics, and she's calling at&t tomorrow :laugh:
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whatever, man
i told my mommy im not getting ics, and she's calling at&t tomorrow :laugh:
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Case in point. I've seen enough from you already.
Edit: If you're joking around with me, ha-Ha. I hope that's what you're looking for. If not, you have more practice to be done with your reading comprehension.
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Yeah.., I'm not understanding why everyone is crazy about "OFFICIAL" ICS. We already have a leak or rather 2 that have barely if any bugs and a couple of GREAT rom's based on ICS. Furthermore we have a fully working build of CM10 based of off Jellybean (not counting the camera... yet). Personally I couldn't care less about when an "official" version is released because it won't change anything, and I advise you all to do the same.
Just my 2 cents. Not in response to anybody but just my opinion.
The whole argument about updates being not "promised" and being "gratis" is bogus. So is the argument about manufacturers hands being tied by Google.
Short of a legally enforceable contract, Google as well as the manufacturers do everything in their power to lead people into believing that their phones will be updated to the next version of the OS. Google had announced the Alliance with the declared aim of providing OS updates for 18 months from device release date. Last time I checked, Moto was a part of the alliance. Moto has had the Atrix 2 on its update page since February 2012, if I'm not wrong. At the very least, this is a Gentleman's agreement on the part of Google/manufacturer that our phone will be updated. Now if any manufacturer wants to say that it had made no legally binding committment to update, where is the honour in that? Why should I trust such a corporation with my hard earned money in the future? As far as I'm concerned, there WAS a pomise, either express or implied, to update my phone and the manufacturer has dishonourably reneged.
This appeared on the Moto forum:
"Thank you for being a Motorola Mobility customer. We know you value having the latest and greatest technology on your device. We are working very closely with Google and our carrier partners to bring you the best possible experience on each of our devices powered by Android. This means ensuring that all upgrades and updates enhance device functionality and provide an overall improved experience.
As previously communicated, DROID RAZR, DROID RAZR MAXX, DROID 4, DROID BIONIC, DROID XYBOARD 8.2 and 10.1, and MOTOROLA XOOM WiFI + 3G/4G will be upgraded to ICS. Additional details on timing for these products will be shared at a later date.
To help our customers understand the steps we go through to develop an upgrade, we are describing the high-level process for delivering upgrades below. During this process, we work to ensure that an upgrade is possible, and that it provides a satisfying experience. For each smartphone or tablet currently in the market, you will see updated information on what stage the upgrade plan is in.
* Please note this timing is Motorola Mobility's best estimate and contingent on successful completion of testing.
==> https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c"
Clearly that sounds like a promise of OS upgrades to come. So untill my next phone states on the box "This unit will not receive any further OS updates from us" I'll expect the updates to come in a somewhat timely manner.
Updates being free is anouther argument I have never understood, even when accompanied by the inappropriate analogy of PC and Windows OS. Unlike in PCs, mobile device owners are completely dependent on the manufacturer to provide OS updates. The cost of developing updates has obviously already been paid in advance by the device owners - would the manufacturers sell even half the number of devices if they told their customers upfront that they would not provide any updates? These are functionality and security updates to an OS that is still in its infancy on products that cost hundreds of dollars one way or the other.
About manufacturers being hamstrung by Google/carriers, Google has already released the OS source code for manufacturers to do as they please. The carrier argument may be true though - I guess if you buy a subsidized phone, you got to be prepared to pamper to the whims of the carrier.
About the phones getting updates through leaks, I would guess even the people who do not visit xda, who don't know nothing about installing leaks ... deserve to have ICS on their phones?
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What folks here really need to do, is swallow their 'entitlements' and stop acting like they're "owed" something.
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Ummm...Yes, I (we) are owed something. Its called updates and bug fixes.
So far one upgrade with no real fixes...
If you're OK with that, so be it. But don't try to sit here and tell people what they should or should not be doing.
Yes the deb's here have done a great job. Saying that, its not their jobs! It is that of Motorola's and at&TS.
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Ummm...Yes, I (we) are owed something. Its called updates and bug fixes.
So far one upgrade with no real fixes...
If you're OK with that, so be it. But don't try to sit here and tell people what they should or should not be doing.
Yes the deb's here have done a great job. Saying that, its not their jobs! It is that of Motorola's and at&TS.
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You've so much to learn, young grasshopper...
The "upgrade" wasn't an 'upgrade', it was a leak, I'm sure you recall this, yeah? If it was an official OTA, and needed "bug fixes", likely we would have already gotten them. What we did, was hack the Moto servers, to 'fish' for updates. We found one (two, to be specific) and nothing subsequent to that is owed to us by Moto or AT&T, because what we found wasn't even intended for use by us -the end consumer. We'll get the release when we get it. My point was for everyone to stop this incessant b¡tching and whining. It's borderline manic...
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I don't think anyone feels entitled to anything, but it is reasonable to expect some updates and maintenance. Granted we got 2.3.6, but is that really an update when most everyone else at the time was running 2.3.7?
I don't think anyone here questions the contributions made by the devs, nor isn't grateful. I think we're all just frustrated that we're behind the times and know that we have a lot of potential going to waste.
I came from M3 and had a Motorola Cliq XT, so I been through all of this before with Moto and their updates. Fortunately we had Turl (which some of you devs might know), and when I left there about a year ago we had CM7 2.3.7 running great on a phone that had barely a 1/3 of the hardware we have on our A2.
I'm confident we'll move forward, we have some great devs here. We're all entitled to our opinions and expectations, and we all want more because we know we're more than capable of taking advantage of it. I think we just need to organize and focus on what we have going on here at XDA. Personally, I'm excited for CM10 and can't wait to get something more proper running on this piece lol.
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Not sure how I feel about this. Mixed feelings here. Their explanations are not very clear.
I've beta tested a few things and I'm surprised at how unappreciative developers are of their beta testers. Most recently it was swift key. Honestly the flow kind of sucked in its first iteration compared to swype (or even the stock swype keyboard) but I stuck with it and provided feed back hoping it would get better and I would be rewarded for my efforts. When their release version came out i got an email the next day with a $2 discount and that my beta version was expired.
So now in addition to my time they want to take my money. And they won't even let me keep using the beta to avoid paying.
At least it wasn't as bad as solid explorer. They didn't even offer a discount. Just flipped all of their beta testers the bird and shut down the beta.
So is this behavior typical of developers? I think the least they could do is give their app for free to the beta testers that contributed to making their product market worthy.
Hmm, I've had the complete opposite experience. Swiftkey's beta program has been great to me. Either because I purchased Swiftkey 2.x or because I also signed up as a VIP to receive Swiftkey 3 beta (from awhile ago), I receive updates and emails about their betas usually the day of or day after blogs publicize them. Seems great to me, especially since they include the direct apk in each email. I don't see the issue here.
You sound unnecessarily riled though, they gave you a $2 discount off a $4 app for beta testing it. Additionally, Swiftkey frequently has a sale on their tablet and phone app even outside of holidays. Swype, before they included OTA updates, had a measurably worse practice. The only way you knew about newer betas was because your version stopped abruptly when you typed and you had to log into their site to download a newer beta. There was no supporting email system like what Swiftkey has.
Edit: I just checked and Swiftkey is $2 right now. Hasn't it been on sale since Swiftkey Flow was officially included?
SlimSnoopOS said:
Hmm, I've had the complete opposite experience. Swiftkey's beta program has been great to me. Either because I purchased Swiftkey 2.x or because I also signed up as a VIP to receive Swiftkey 3 beta (from awhile ago), I receive updates and emails about their betas usually the day of or day after blogs publicize them. Seems great to me, especially since they include the direct apk in each email. I don't see the issue here.
You sound unnecessarily riled though, they gave you a $2 discount off a $4 app for beta testing it. Additionally, Swiftkey frequently has a sale on their tablet and phone app even outside of holidays. Swype, before they included OTA updates, had a measurably worse practice. The only way you knew about newer betas was because your version stopped abruptly when you typed and you had to log into their site to download a newer beta. There was no supporting email system like what Swiftkey has.
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I'm not sure I'm at the "riled" stage. More just surprised. Seems a little nickel and dime since if they don't have beta testers they'll just have to deal with customer complaints which will cost more in the long run than the $2 they made off me and a few hundred others.
Gibscreen said:
I'm not sure I'm at the "riled" stage. More just surprised. Seems a little nickel and dime since if they don't have beta testers they'll just have to deal with customer complaints which will cost more in the long run than the $2 they made off me and a few hundred others.
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But you do though, just from the tone in your OP. I added an edit as well to my prior post. Why couldn't you use the $2 discount to get the app for free? According to different blogs, it has been on sale since officially updated the other day.
Gibscreen said:
Kinda shot yourself in the foot there. You were trying to belittle my point and instead you proved it. I didn't even know they offered the same discount to everyone. So they really offered nothing to their beta testers.
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Herein lies the misunderstanding. I read it as they gave you a $2 discount for beta testing where you would get the app for free. The latter part of your post doesn't warrant a response.
Gibscreen said:
Well since this post has devolved into name calling, it's not about the money retard. It's value for services. And get your head out of the sand. Every other industry lets beta testers keep the product for free.
But go right ahead and give away your time for free. When you start crying about not getting paid by your employer I'll just say they gave you shelter for 8 hours a day in exchange for your work.
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That's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one. If I were working 8 hours a day on improving software I would expect to be reimbursed for my time. But then again, that would mean I would be employed by the software company and payment for my extensive services would be customary.
Swiftkey is a keyboard app for a phone. I'm already going to be using a keyboard app on my phone anyway. They let me see the fruits of their labors long before the average customer does so in return I report any problems I run into. That's the relationship.
so is this where i say i bought swiftkey back in the day for $0.10 and when flow went to the full app, it's now included with my original dime purchase?
it was one of those 10 apps for .10 week's.
frankspin said:
To this day I will never understand the rationale of people who complain about the cost of an app when they have a $50/month smartphone plan and a $500+ smartphone.
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I'm going to call BS on this one. Me thinks you came here looking to have someone give you the apk so you could avoid paying for it.
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Seriously? Anyone who doesn't know how to get the app for free is an idiot. For those of us who want to go about getting it legitimately, carry on.
The OP was intended to discuss the somewhat unfair practice of developers taking people's time to develop their product, which they then sell to other people. All while they penny pinch and fail to appreciate the contributions of their beta testers. I'm truly shocked that people are so developer minded that they can't even look at this issue objectively and see that the developer gets a HUGE benefit for pretty much nothing in return. We get the privilege to use their buggy product for a few months? That's the benefit?
This could have been something that a developer could have noticed and said to themselves "you know these people do provide me with a benefit. How about if I show them I'm grateful." Not likely but at least possible. Instead they'll look at this thread and carry on as usual. Congratulations.
SwiftKey 4 is fantastic on my phone. I've beta tested a lot of things and I never once expected ANYTHING in return. I have gotten things but never sought them out.
I don't like swift key. The space bar is too small. I keep accidentally hitting the period instead which.makes.my.writing.look.like.this.
Did they change this in version 4? Or heck, at least give the option to?
Edit: nope. The period is still. Ridiculously big for no reason, taking up. Precious space bar space. Time to. Uninstall again. I apparently had this keyboard purchased from back when it. Was on sale for like. 40 cents.
Edit: I took screenshots of the stock Android keyboard and SwiftKey and found them identical in length. It was probably a mental thing. I do hate how this thing auto spaces after pressing period though. I also dislike the number layout. These are things I wish the developer would consider making options for.
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Div033 said:
I don't like swift key. The space bar is too small. I keep accidentally hitting the period instead which.makes.my.writing.look.like.this.
Did they change this in version 4? Or heck, at least give the option to?
Edit: nope. The period is still. Ridiculously big for no reason, taking up. Precious space bar space. Time to. Uninstall again. I apparently had this keyboard purchased from back when it. Was on sale for like. 40 cents.
Edit: I took screenshots of the stock Android keyboard and SwiftKey and found them identical in length. It was probably a mental thing. I do hate how this thing auto spaces after pressing period though. I also dislike the number layout. These are things I wish the developer would consider making options for.
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If I'm not mistaken you can turn that off in settings.
OP - perhaps you should just enjoy the fact that they allowed you to beta test in the first place. When Swiftkey originally hit the scene beta testing was limited to a few and in almost every instance a user who had already purchased the app.
If McDonald's was test marketing the McRib in your area and gave you one for free does that entitle you to free McRibs for life?
Step off your high horse and spend 2 bucks.
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kujayhawks77 said:
If I'm not mistaken you can turn that off in settings.
OP - perhaps you should just enjoy the fact that they allowed you to beta test in the first place. When Swiftkey originally hit the scene beta testing was limited to a few and in almost every instance a user who had already purchased the app.
If McDonald's was test marketing the McRib in your area and gave you one for free does that entitle you to free McRibs for life?
Step off your high horse and spend 2 bucks.
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I'M gonna throw my two cents...
shouldn't you want to pay for the finished product? show's appreciation for someones hard work and time? tesing a beta isn't a reward, or privilege, you do it on your own free will because you expressed interest in a product.
Gibscreen said:
I've beta tested a few things and I'm surprised at how unappreciative developers are of their beta testers. Most recently it was swift key. Honestly the flow kind of sucked in its first iteration compared to swype (or even the stock swype keyboard) but I stuck with it and provided feed back hoping it would get better and I would be rewarded for my efforts. When their release version came out i got an email the next day with a $2 discount and that my beta version was expired.
So now in addition to my time they want to take my money. And they won't even let me keep using the beta to avoid paying.
At least it wasn't as bad as solid explorer. They didn't even offer a discount. Just flipped all of their beta testers the bird and shut down the beta.
So is this behavior typical of developers? I think the least they could do is give their app for free to the beta testers that contributed to making their product market worthy.
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Hold up... It was an open beta... You mean to tell me that you expect them to give everyone a free copy... Pay the money, it's worth it.
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I will chime in just for the sake of it, we all got the email about final release and one thing that did strike me was in the email they said it was free and not $2, not complaining about the price just the wording and false advertisement of the email I got because before I got the email I read on Endgaget that it was on sale for $2. Checked my email and saw I got one from Swiftkey thanking me for beta testing yadda yadda and at the end saying it was free with a play store link, wrong fail. If you're gonna give a discount than just say it, don't say it's free when it's only free if you already purchased Swiftkey prior. Just my 2¢.
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kujayhawks77 said:
If I'm not mistaken you can turn that off in settings.
OP - perhaps you should just enjoy the fact that they allowed you to beta test in the first place. When Swiftkey originally hit the scene beta testing was limited to a few and in almost every instance a user who had already purchased the app.
If McDonald's was test marketing the McRib in your area and gave you one for free does that entitle you to free McRibs for life?
Step off your high horse and spend 2 bucks.
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I find the number layout easier to use. The layout of some punctuation, not so much lol but it is liveable. The Autospace/Autopunctuate can definitely be disabled.
Other than that, the keyboard is fast, the predictive text is accurate, but non-invasive, and it's a keeper for me. All I need is a real theme for it lol.
Meanwhile.. Thread reported. 98% of this thread is pure BS and a waste of forum space. Too much of that here at XDA IMO...
I got the app for free myself. Beta tested then updated the next day after all was said and done. Win-Win.
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