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If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
EDIT: Okay, a lot of you love this device, I am just saying that this may be another reason why I would return the device, I have more things I dislike about this device besides not having a root. So for anyone telling me to return it already, sure I just might, maybe because I have more other reasons.
About the Nexus two, I am just saying that any other device might have some things that I like more. I am simply asking if someone is working on it.
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Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Be patient. The devs are working on rooting TWO 4G phones (this and the G2). I'm in the market for a new Android device myself and I'm on the fence until one of these gets rooted or until the N2 comes out.
Some devices are rooted before they are even on the market, I think I just might return this device if the Nexus 2 is real
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This phone is locked down the same way the G2 is. When devs figure out permanent root on the G2, we will have it too. It ain't gonna be by Monday though. You might as well return your phone today. :rollseyes:
Damn OP, you really need to chill! Not all phones are the same, and not all get rooted right when they come out.
Yes, it sucks that we're dealing with a new chip, and it's gonna take time to crack, but that's the way it is. I assure you that we have some of the best Dev's working really hard to get this going.
You demanding to have root by Monday or you'll return the phone only makes you look like a fool! Hate to say it, but we're not going to see root for weeks, or even months for matter.
All I gotta say now is... walk your sorry ass back to T-Mobile, and exchange the phone for 2 tin cans, and a long ass string.
I hope you go return it and realize how silly you are for doing such a thing.
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Smokexz said:
If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Nexus 2 Launch Plagued by Hardware Issues
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I hope this link helps you with your decision.
wow it amazes me how you can give a deadline... how are you helping to gain root access? what have you contributed? or are you just waiting around for other people to do all the work so you can just flash a rom :/
Also to be clear I dont understand how you can say you hate being "locked down"... say you did get root and flashed a rom then aren't you just locked down in a different way? (now having anything that dev personally likes on your phone, instead of what the htc dev's like)
sorry for the little rant it just drives me nuts how everyone seems to want things done for them around here these days...
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If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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Just because it's a new Nexus doesn't mean it's going to be as good, or better than Nexus One. And just because previous Samsung phones were root-able, doesn't mean this one is going to be as well.
If it's like the rest of Galaxy S phones, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Make sure you enjoy your functional GPS until Monday though.
I was just gonna say the same thing... from what I have read the N2 is basically a Vanilla Galaxy S phone... the major hardware issuing plaguing the announcement is most likely due to GPS hardware issues.
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Just because it's a new Nexus doesn't mean it's going to be as good, or better than Nexus One. And just because previous Samsung phones were root-able, doesn't mean this one is going to be as well.
If it's like the rest of Galaxy S phones, then go ahead and knock yourself out. Make sure you enjoy your functional GPS until Monday though.
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Do us all a favor and return it
I will give it a chance sure, but I an just so tired of temp root
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What exactly are you doing that you can't live without root?
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With the updated visionary app that starts on boot it works like a permanent root. I'm sure there are some restrictions but I am using it rooted for setcpu and have not had one issue with this yet. Granted I don't use the terminal to transfer things though.
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Haha wow iz it your time of month? Watch the nexus 2 be locked down as well
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What exactly are you doing that you can't live without root?
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I just like to explore what my device can do, I love having the option to install this little fix or this ROM. It's freedom what I like... I understand everyone loved the device, I have my own reasoning, I came from a Galaxy S, I had no complaints other than 2.2 taking more than forever to come.
Most of you are insulting me rather than thinking if I have different reasons, I don't just simply dislike the device because it has no root, I have other reasons. You all may enjoy the device however I could probably name a couple of things that just make me dislike the device, mainly that Genius button.
Continue to tell me I should return my phone etc etc, however if it is not rootable more reason for me to return the thing and get another device.
I don't know if there is a Nexus 2, I don't know if it will be rootable, but as of now if it is real, I might get it.
I have a vibrant, and if Samsung is making the Nexus 2....I wouldn't dream of owning it. Horrible support and empty promises. Can anyone say Behold 2?
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i heard there is no nexus 2 that there is a phone people kept saying it might be the nexus 2 but its not. plus the phone i saw was only for verizon so it wont come out for tmobile but now i cant find the site i was reading up on.
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If this device is not rooted by Monday, I will just have to return it... I hate it when a device is locked down, and yes I am sorta hoping that Monday Samsung unveils the Nexus Two...
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dude why do u need it to be rooted anyways? this phone is badass with out rooting it, u cant overclock it yet so for me there is no point until they first off can get it rooted and 2 if they can overclock it like the g2 and vibrant. but i can wait im sure they will figure it out. come on now they managed to get the hd2 running android 2.2 on a phone that doesnt even have android period, so im sure they will figure it out. i would rather them take there time then rush it and mess something up.
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I just like to explore what my device can do, I love having the option to install this little fix or this ROM. It's freedom what I like... I understand everyone loved the device, I have my own reasoning, I came from a Galaxy S, I had no complaints other than 2.2 taking more than forever to come.
Most of you are insulting me rather than thinking if I have different reasons, I don't just simply dislike the device because it has no root, I have other reasons. You all may enjoy the device however I could probably name a couple of things that just make me dislike the device, mainly that Genius button.
Continue to tell me I should return my phone etc etc, however if it is not rootable more reason for me to return the thing and get another device.
I don't know if there is a Nexus 2, I don't know if it will be rootable, but as of now if it is real, I might get it.
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First and foremost, if you have other reasons for ditching the new mytouch, voice them. You can't just post a new thread demanding root OR ELSE. It makes you look like a major d-bag. However, I do agree with you. It's frustrating that it can't be rooted just yet, and there a bunch of other things I don't like, mainly the genius button, but I'm not going to get rid of it for that reason. That's retarded. You can't buy an unreleased phone and expect it to be rooted immediately. Devs put countless hours into making these things possible, and the rudest thing you can do is be an ungrateful snot by giving the developer community an ultimatum. We, as a community, DO NOT CARE which phone you have. If you want to get rid of it, go for it. One less whiner.
As far as root access is concerned, I'm fairly confident that the g2 and mytouch are close enough in hardware and mechanism that with one, will come the other. And as of this writing, the g2 has a bigger following. (and more patient people)
For me, root means removing bloatware, and cleaning up the stock rom. It looks good enough as is, and for now, I don't see much reason to change it. I'll do some experimenting with visual changes in the framework, but that'll probably be the extent of it. Did anybody else here miss the HTC dialer? I sure did!!!(though I'm not totally sure I like the way this espresso one works...)
Edit: if google chooses samsung as their odm for a follow-up nexus device then they're morons. Touchwiz sucks, samsung support sucks, samsung bugfixes suck, hardware planning sucks.
Reasoning: Touchwiz is annoying and the interface lacks a professional appearance...needs less form, more function! - Samsung is useless if you have a problem. USELESS. Kies..oden??? Really? - Everybody take a quick second and look up a picture of the galaxy s(at least the t-mobile version). Do you see a status led? No, you don't. Why? There isn't one. At all. You need to turn your phone on to see if there is an email, or a text, or a missed call. How about the epic4G...samsung made a desktop dock. Sweet right? No. Place the phone in it and it's resting on the volume keys. WTF? I'm sure an led wouldn't have killed samsung in production costs, and designing a dock that presses keys is a huge oversight, and should have been noticed by quality control immediately. It's an easy fix. I can't stand behind a company that puts out such half-finished products. Samsung: please complete the development process before you release your products to consumers. I'd rather wait an extra month and have something fully functional.
Summary: I've had a galaxy S and an epic 4g. Both of them had glaring issues, all of which were swept under the rug by samsung. Generally by a "updates and bugfixes are coming soon" type of response. Personally, that's just a terrible thing to do to consumers. Nothing brings repeat business more than a product that 'just works' right out of the box.
Sorry this was so long-winded...I'm tired and not thinking straight
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...-the-de/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
The Thunderbolt apparently was difficult to root. I'm not a root expert but according to the article, the impression is that HTC will begin not being so developer friendly.
Thoughts?
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I don't understand why these manufacturers, at the very least, can't treat their phones like the Nexus line: Ship with a locked bootloader, and give us an option to unlock it ourselves, and make it one-way. If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine. But if I'm paying for the phone, I OWN it. I should be able to run the ROMS, kernels, and apps I want.
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I don't understand why these manufacturers, at the very least, can't treat their phones like the Nexus line: Ship with a locked bootloader, and give us an option to unlock it ourselves, and make it one-way. If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine. But if I'm paying for the phone, I OWN it. I should be able to run the ROMS, kernels, and apps I want.
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Man I totally agree. I wish all Androids were treated like the Nexus line.
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Because look at it this way. The people that like to fiddle with these things (everyone on this site) will be the majority of people who decide to root. We know what we do will void warranties and we know that, unless it's there's really really serious issue, we can fix these things ourselves. Besides, by giving us these bootloaders that can be unlocked and relocked, these manufacturers are actually screwing themselves MORE. HTC devices have always had bootloader security (NAND Lock). When you root, you can turn it off (aka S-OFF), but you can also turn it back on (S-ON) and then send the device in for repair or replacement. With the Nexus line, once the device is NAND unlocked, you can't re-lock it. I really don't understand the mentality behind the people who decide to lock things down.
So how long until HTC becomes Motorola?
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Just wait, Some of us will go out and mess Verizon up by rooting overwriting their signed protection and do it just to prove they can't stop a dev or modder, all the companies try but none to date have succeeded, BUT it sucks that HTC is going down this line.
I think that they designed the system so that the good filers can relock it and bring it for warranty. If they wanted to make it so hard they could make them unrootable
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If they choose not to repair rooted devices, fine.
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How is that possibly fine?
Take the Motorola Defy as an apt example because I have one - my earpiece has just stopped working.
It's absolutely nothing to do with the OS or whether it's rooted, it's a pure hardware problem and has been known to afflict fully stock handsets as well as rooted/modded ones.
Why should the mere fact that I've fiddled with the OS on my phone excuse a manufacturer from fixing hardware problems that have not been caused by my fiddling?
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How is that possibly fine?
Take the Motorola Defy as an apt example because I have one - my earpiece has just stopped working.
It's absolutely nothing to do with the OS or whether it's rooted, it's a pure hardware problem and has been known to afflict fully stock handsets as well as rooted/modded ones.
Why should the mere fact that I've fiddled with the OS on my phone excuse a manufacturer from fixing hardware problems that have not been caused by my fiddling?
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Because they figure messing with the OS is apparently evil. I'm more than willing to bet this is more of a carrier pushed issue than the OEM because one big reason of rooting is to bypass carrier limits.
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That's an excuse, not a reason.
There is no reasonable justification for manufacturers to take such a stance.
And even less of one for someone on here to apparently agree with such behaviour.
As one of the few founding members of the Dev Team AndIRC I got a good laugh out of this article, this is not the end of an era. All devices have had some challenges to rooting. The HTC Droid Eris which was our claim to fame took months to root and then finally we got some working methods, the fact that we owned the thunderbolt in less than a few hours (the article is too dramatic) is amazing, we have some very skilled devs and with time we get work done.
I think this is a carrier issue. Now that their all worried about tethering. Hey if you pay for the phone and service what you do with it is your problem. Its about making more money. If it gets worse I may downgrade to a metro! Omg
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As one of the few founding members of the Dev Team AndIRC I got a good laugh out of this article, this is not the end of an era. All devices have had some challenges to rooting. The HTC Droid Eris which was our claim to fame took months to root and then finally we got some working methods, the fact that we owned the thunderbolt in less than a few hours (the article is too dramatic) is amazing, we have some very skilled devs and with time we get work done.
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Incredible took a while too... Kinda seems like they're stepping it up a bit, generation after generation.
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maybe the carriers got something to do with it? they want to charge extra for tethering and so on after all. if it would be too easy to unlock extra features and wipe devices of their bloatware they might miss out on additional money?
Well f*ck the carriers. If they're going to cripple a device, they have no right to charge what they do. Yes, you already pay about half of what they pay for the phone, BUT you pay back the difference over the term of your contract.
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Well f*ck the carriers. If they're going to cripple a device, they have no right to charge what they do. Yes, you already pay about half of what they pay for the phone, BUT you pay back the difference over the term of your contract.
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Probably more than that.
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The G2 and MT4G took a couple of months to root but it happened. The amazing devs here will always find a way.
I completely agree that we own it and should be able to do what we want. If you expect the carrier to support it they have a right to only support their approved configuration.
I think hardware warranty and troubleshooting warranty should be separated.
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Why can't they just do it more like the PC's do.
If you screw up you can insert a bootable CD and restore the OS.
Of course a CD is not a ideal option for a phone, but I can see a SD card formated and coded in a way that it is able to restore the OS completely, even if the phone is bricked.
If the manufactures give such a card away (could just be a 512mb card I gues) then the consumer could hack the phone to dead and still have a backup thus keeping the manufacturer out of sight.
I mean, how hard could something like this be? ;p
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Why can't they just do it more like the PC's do.
If you screw up you can insert a bootable CD and restore the OS.
Of course a CD is not a ideal option for a phone, but I can see a SD card formated and coded in a way that it is able to restore the OS completely, even if the phone is bricked.
If the manufactures give such a card away (could just be a 512mb card I gues) then the consumer could hack the phone to dead and still have a backup thus keeping the manufacturer out of sight.
I mean, how hard could something like this be? ;p
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Impossible for the carriers since to them rooting is horrible.
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I've been wanting an Inspire for a long time and thought I would have had to pay full price for it rather than a consignment deal. Looks like I was wrong and I went ahead and snagged one.
This is just a purely outstanding phone. It is AT&T's version of the DesireHD and I've been using a DHD ROM on my HD2 for quite some time now. I'm very familiar with the ROM my Inspire has, all the setup and functionality, and setting this Inspire up was nothing new. There are a few minor difference here and there, though. I can say it is definitely smoother and cleaner and quicker than DHD on my HD2.
Not really sure if I will try to root it or not. The last time I tried to root a genuine Android phone was nothing shy of a pain and misery of frustration. It was a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G and it just would not root. That was the first and only time I ever attempted a root. It left me with a very sour experience. However, not being rooted, I can't use my backup programs like MyBackup or Titanium. Nor can I use my screen capture app, ShootMe. I don't really need to use any of those, though.
Anyway, I'm enjoying my Inspire and I look forward to interacting with and being "Inspired"...lol...at the XDA Inspire community.
I was a newbie with rooting but once I did it it was EASY and worth it.
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Some Android phones can be easily rooted than others. It all depends on the manufacturer and model of the phone. Don't let one bad experience ruin it for you. Here are links to two proven methods of rooting the Inspire if you are interested...
HTC Inspire Hack Kit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=952352
HTC Inspire 4G Simple Root and S-OFF
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Use the Simple Root but trust me, save yourself some later hassle and click the "Fixes" option when you're done and flash the ENG S-OFF (radio S-OFF) so if you change radios, you don't lose S-OFF plus you get engineering features like fastboot (allows you to flash new radio images for one but also allows you to try out images before you actually flash them, through fastboot, which can be handy when you aren't sure about something or you are testing a new ROM)
Guys, the user experience with this Inspire is just getting better and better. It now is super fast compared to my experience with HD2 DHD ROMs. The boot-up is almost instantaneous and the page loading in menus like Manage Apps is so much faster now.
I doubt I will ever even root this glorious machine. I'm admiring like an iPhone.
For anyone on the fence about a purchase, Hell yes! Let it have a couple days of break-in and you will see the difference from first turning it on. I'm just glad I chose the Inspire over the Atrix. The Atrix is a super nice machine, but I just don't believe it can top the silky-smooth and top-notch user experience of the Inspire.
you got it right when you said the Inspire was gorgeous....my roommate is all about his iphone4, and i'm all about hating on apple (used them for 3 years and couldn't wait to be done) and telling him how great android is.
Lets just say i caught him today picking up my phone and telling me how awesome it was and how he actually wanted one after playing with the Inspire. I had the Captivate and that just didn't do anything for him, but the Inspire is just perfect!
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you got it right when you said the Inspire was gorgeous....my roommate is all about his iphone4, and i'm all about hating on apple (used them for 3 years and couldn't wait to be done) and telling him how great android is.
Lets just say i caught him today picking up my phone and telling me how awesome it was and how he actually wanted one after playing with the Inspire. I had the Captivate and that just didn't do anything for him, but the Inspire is just perfect!
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The Inspire has some serious appeal. I still love my iPhone 4, but the Inspire has a quality all its own. My serious personal view of the DesireHD/Inspire 4G is that it should be the actual Android flagship smartphone. The OS...Android 2.2.1...combined with HTC's Sense 2.0 is just purely the cream-of-the-crop. The lag some people complain about with Android just isn't even a hint in this OS and on this hardware. I owned a WP7 HTC HD7 for about half a year and found the UI to be the smoothest I'd ever experienced. There was nothing that was a smooth. That was then, this is now. This Inspire is easily just as smooth, quick and clean as that WP7 HTC HD7. And the battery life is a little bit better, too.
Just got my Inspire two days ago. A bit leery of rooting myself. I've read the threads and instructions a few times, as well as watched the video, but I'm just terribly afraid of making a bad mistake, lol.
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Just got my Inspire two days ago. A bit leery of rooting myself. I've read the threads and instructions a few times, as well as watched the video, but I'm just terribly afraid of making a bad mistake, lol.
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For what root provides, I just see no desire to do it. The sum total of the apps I won't be able to use are currently 3, MyBackup Root, Titanium backup Pro, ShootMe. For how well this phone works and how clean it is, I'm wanting to keep the iPhone style feeling I have with it. Rooting it and such would just lead to a mess for me. It would strip away the pristine cleanness and purity of this fine piece of hardware.
Understandable. I would love to be able to use ShootMe and install new themes, but with being so new at things like this, the risk seems greater than the reward. I installed Launcher Pro and I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of customability I have with it, though.
I know there's a lot more its capable of after being rooted but most of it isn't something I would use, lol.
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Understandable. I would love to be able to use ShootMe and install new themes, but with being so new at things like this, the risk seems greater than the reward. I installed Launcher Pro and I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of customability I have with it, though.
I know there's a lot more its capable of after being rooted but most of it isn't something I would use, lol.
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If you mean skins, don't worry about the them. I installed a bunch of them on mine and there is no risk that I can see. Currently using the Wildflower HD and it works just like the original. I think I have 20 skins installed.
There isn't really much risk rooting the phone - the only real risk is if you apply ENG S-OFF because that involves replacing the bootloader and if something goes wrong there, you're bricked.
I don't see why everyone is afraid of rooting this phone, this is the first Android phone I've ever owned, and the first I've ever seen rooted, and I was done in a couple hours, it was easy, just read and follow instructions. For me being able to take screenshots is the biggest reason I rooted, but have found many other reasons that I'm glad I did. Messing with an iPhone for a year, if I screwed something up I would be in for a long process of re-syncing and setting everything up, but with clockworkmod, if u screw something up, a backup including all data and settings in all apps is just 10 mins away. Being able to overclock to add a little extra smoothness to the UI is very nice. And having the freedom to run the software I want and not run the software I don't want is huge.
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I don't see why everyone is afraid of rooting this phone, this is the first Android phone I've ever owned, and the first I've ever seen rooted, and I was done in a couple hours, it was easy, just read and follow instructions. For me being able to take screenshots is the biggest reason I rooted, but have found many other reasons that I'm glad I did. Messing with an iPhone for a year, if I screwed something up I would be in for a long process of re-syncing and setting everything up, but with clockworkmod, if u screw something up, a backup including all data and settings in all apps is just 10 mins away. Being able to overclock to add a little extra smoothness to the UI is very nice. And having the freedom to run the software I want and not run the software I don't want is huge.
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It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
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It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
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Rooting is well worth the trouble. And to me, having all the bloatware removed yields a more pristine nature...
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MartyLK said:
It isn't about fear. For me, I prefer to retain the pristine nature of this phone. So I don't want to root it and open it up situations that could slow it down and cause it to be buggy.
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Rooting only makes the phone faster and cleaner, not the reverse;-).
oh ho! wadd up brother!
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Rooting only makes the phone faster and cleaner, not the reverse;-).
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No, I disagree. Rooting allows you to do things that can cause issues. For people who know how to program and code, they can usually get better results. But for people who just need a phone to work and do what it normally does, rooting can be destructive.
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No, I disagree. Rooting allows you to do things that can cause issues. For people who know how to program and code, they can usually get better results. But for people who just need a phone to work and do what it normally does, rooting can be destructive.
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yes ROOTING can cause somewhat destruction.
today while upgrading my phone to COREDROID, that thing bricked my phone. Somehow, I managed to fix my phone.
The coredroid thing made my BOOTING SCREEN STUCK. never got to its next step.
im not a coder or anything, im just following guides.
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yes ROOTING can cause somewhat destruction.
today while upgrading my phone to COREDROID, that thing bricked my phone. Somehow, I managed to fix my phone.
The coredroid thing made my BOOTING SCREEN STUCK. never got to its next step.
im not a coder or anything, im just following guides.
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This is the reason I haven't rooted. I'm tech-savvy, but not a developer or anything. I see countless threads related to issues that seem to have risen from rooting. Either an issue arises during the process, or something happens that wouldn't have happened without root. And then there's that "you could brick your phone" deal. I'll stay unrooted.
I have no reason to believe this as I haven't been able to find any proof of it but...
I read on the Android and Droid forums that Carriers keep a database of users that root their phones and will block your warranty if you try to return it for anything. I've never heard of this happening to, well...anyone. But the point was also brought up that Google is able to tell if the device is rooted due to the fact that they can block the movies tab from showing up in Market on rooted phones, so carriers can do the same. So, my question is... has anyone heard of this happening or had it happen to them?
I'm pretty sure that is all bull****. I work at best buy mobile and barely anyone knows what rooting is. I'm the only one in my department that messes with that kind of stuff and knows which phones are rooted. We also get crazy carrier support and they just tell us to not mention anything about rooting/jail breaking. Same with my friend who is a manager at verizon. He doesn't know how to detect a rooted phone.
So when you bring in a messed up phone for warranty, everyone is trained to just make sure imei numbers match with original receipt and to check the water mark stickers.
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I'm pretty sure that is all bull****. I work at best buy mobile and barely anyone knows what rooting is. I'm the only one in my department that messes with that kind of stuff and knows which phones are rooted. We also get crazy carrier support and they just tell us to not mention anything about rooting/jail breaking. Same with my friend who is a manager at verizon. He doesn't know how to detect a rooted phone.
So when you bring in a messed up phone for warranty, everyone is trained to just make sure imei numbers match with original receipt and to check the water mark stickers.
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+1, I've returned a stock, rooted phone and even forgot to put the modded battery icon back to stock. No issues.
Go back to stock before you ship back your warranty device and they can't tell. I've done several
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Yeah, I didn't believe there was any actual truth behind it. It just wouldn't surprise me if AT&T would start trying doing something like that though. I mean they couldn't even tell I was using my HD2 on a non-smartphone data plan, much less that it was a rooted phone.
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U escape hd2 cuz its t mobile and its imei is not in thier system
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Actually, I read that Verizon and Sprint have the ability to verify if the device is rooted, and they keep track of them along with ESNs. From what I have read, it would be impossible to implement this on GSM devices...
good thing I wear my tin foil hat
Pirateghost said:
Actually, I read that Verizon and Sprint have the ability to verify if the device is rooted, and they keep track of them along with ESNs. From what I have read, it would be impossible to implement this on GSM devices...
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Yep, that's what they were saying on the Droid forums. It didn't click that its cdma devices they were talking about, and not GSM. Hopefully they don't find a way to do it. I read that over 60% of all android phones are rooted...that's alot of voided warranties.
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Yep, that's what they were saying on the Droid forums. It didn't click that its cdma devices they were talking about, and not GSM. Hopefully they don't find a way to do it. I read that over 60% of all android phones are rooted...that's alot of voided warranties.
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I believe that the number of rooted android phones would be closer to 10%, rather than 60%. The average person is just not geared into fiddling with their phones the way we in the modding community are. Most of my friends, I'm sad to say, are running around with 4 or 5 year old feature phones, and will happily keep on using those things until they finally give up the ghost.
Another deterrent to rooting is that many people are paranoid about voiding their warranty. If you're into modding, losing your warranty is something that you had to come to terms with long ago. You just accept the fact that whatever happens to the phone is now YOUR problem and move on - but a lot of people can't, so they refuse to make any changes to their phones. In the end, we are a minority of cell phone users, albeit an *enlightened* minority.
-Mike
I agree with most of the guys here. Its impossible for AT&T to detect if your phone is rooted or not. Mostly because there is no function on your phone created to send that kind of info to your carrier. Plus if you are on another carrier like T-Mobile they cant tell your IMEI which means they wont know what phone are you using in first place.
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As a matter of fact, I just did a warranty exchange on my inspire just the other day. I flashed back to stock and s-on before the exchange. But before doing so, I've been on the phone to the warranty department multiple times to troubleshoot the issues I've been having and not once did they mention or even ask if my phone was rooted. If they could detect that my phone was rooted, they would have denied my request for a warranty exchange. And if that were the case, i would think they would explain the denial due to it being rooted.
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I don't believe AT&T can tell if you are rooted unless you are using a custom apn for data. The stock apns are locked down and I have found trying to have three apns will cause issues. When AT&T sees data registering thru "wap.cingular", instead of "phone", they will know a user more than likely rooted their phone. When they see really heavy data usage on "wap.cingular" they will suspect tethering, but can't tell unless they go analyze it. With the stock apns, one can look at usage on their bill and see usage for both apns. Usage for "wap.cingular" will be very small, as it is used only for location services and the occasional mms. The bulk of data will show on the "phone" apn.
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the only thing AT&T cares about is you paying your bill lol
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the only thing AT&T cares about is you paying your bill lol
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Yes, but you are not going to get me to believe AT&T is not thinking, the bigger the bill the better.
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I believe that the number of rooted android phones would be closer to 10%, rather than 60%. The average person is just not geared into fiddling with their phones the way we in the modding community are. Most of my friends, I'm sad to say, are running around with 4 or 5 year old feature phones, and will happily keep on using those things until they finally give up the ghost.
Another deterrent to rooting is that many people are paranoid about voiding their warranty. If you're into modding, losing your warranty is something that you had to come to terms with long ago. You just accept the fact that whatever happens to the phone is now YOUR problem and move on - but a lot of people can't, so they refuse to make any changes to their phones. In the end, we are a minority of cell phone users, albeit an *enlightened* minority.
-Mike
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Wish more if the "enlightened " group were female though.. it gets kinda lonely sometimes lol.
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ashies7 said:
Wish more if the "enlightened " group were female though.. it gets kinda lonely sometimes lol.
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Lol
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They didnt block the Warranty of my phone.
I took my ATT inspire into the AT&Ts repair shop 3 months after i got it because the bottom of the glass on my phone wasn't glued down (or it felt like it wasn't) so i took it in the girl looked it, I was running Inspire Ace (So she might have thought it was a HTC OS) but she took it anyway and gave me a new phone.
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They didnt block the Warranty of my phone.
I took my ATT inspire into the AT&Ts repair shop 3 months after i got it because the bottom of the glass on my phone wasn't glued down (or it felt like it wasn't) so i took it in the girl looked it, I was running Inspire Ace (So she might have thought it was a HTC OS) but she took it anyway and gave me a new phone.
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Well I have this same problem and I'm sure ATT gets a lot of these requests so another person stated it "the money spent investigating these claims would far outweigh the cost of the phone" as this is true as the phone is made literally cents if not less a cent on the dollar in sweat shops around the world. Im going to the ATT tech/warranty shop tomorrow and i would imagine that the legal cost of them trying to prove that the phone had been rooted vs them just replacing the parts or simply doing clean wipe with the technical tools they have at hand far outweigh the legal costs of litigation that they would have to pursue in the US at literally at an exponential cost just for the parts and labor/tech support of the phone. Plus from a business perspective they would lose millions in customers if they gave existing/long-term customers any flack about an expensive phone they paid for along with a long-term plan.
just a vent. My company is passing an IT policy banning the use of rooted phones. I've been rooting since I got my HTC Evo on release day. I don't want to run stock. It's so icky, and outdated, and ugly...
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just a vent. My company is passing an IT policy banning the use of rooted phones. I've been rooting since I got my HTC Evo on release day. I don't want to run stock. It's so icky, and outdated, and ugly...
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Why would they ban the use of a rooted phone???
are you allowed to get a nexus?
do those come 100% open to ROMS or do you still need to root them? im not too familiar
Just be really nice to IT. Problem solved.
Get a personal phone to play with? But yeah I understand them not allowing modification of a work phone. If an employee where I work soft bricked a work phone on it would be a big problem (considering the need for mobile communication).
Tell them that if you're IT then you need to be admin privilege on the phone as same as on the PC? right?
How would they even know? Do they go around checking phones?
I am IT...being nice to myself. they've got a device purchased that somehow detects a rooted or jailbroken device. Reason given is that it could pose potential security risks to the network. a bunch of hogwash, but I'm not going to loose my job over a rooted phone.
Wow. I hope they do know it still can be a security risks to the network even on unrooted and/or unjailbroken phones. I guess they are trying to lessen the potential risk.
Sometimes it is best to have a business phone and a personal phone now days even though Samsung's commercial saying it is good for phone now.
This is like discrimination for phones
My company actually wanted me to root our tablets we use for free tether. F U VZW.
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I think a big reason is that work/company phones can hold sensitive data and one doesn't know what mind of modifications rooted phones have. What if the rooted ROM somehow send all sensitive work data to a external server? With stock you don't have to worry about that since everything is in a controlled environment.
Sucks, but makes sense.
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I am IT...being nice to myself. they've got a device purchased that somehow detects a rooted or jailbroken device. Reason given is that it could pose potential security risks to the network. a bunch of hogwash, but I'm not going to loose my job over a rooted phone.
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in all my years in corporate america i have never heard of such a thing.
my next comment, do you have your own phone?
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I think a big reason is that work/company phones can hold sensitive data and one doesn't know what mind of modifications rooted phones have. What if the rooted ROM somehow send all sensitive work data to a external server? With stock you don't have to worry about that since everything is in a controlled environment.
Sucks, but makes sense.
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It's true. I mean I was in the synergy thread and they had to swap out some coding in one of their notification toggle mod because it was sending phone info (I think it was imei or something) to some server in China. You never know and companies don't want to take that risk.
Edit:I went back and it was actually the included advanceS app (which lets you modify the lidroid toggles and their order) that had the questionable coding.
I can understand why your company would do it, but that still sucks
I unrooted Monday night. Nova Launcher has made it easier to transition back, but there are so many small usability features added by AOSP roms that I'm missing. My next phone may have to be a Nexus device. I can't even run Dashclock now...
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Just be really nice to IT. Problem solved.
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Or do what I did, become IT
It sucks that you had to unroot your phone but I can see potential problems within a company with rooted devices.
My government phone is rooted they can supposedly check for root. But they never have detected it rooted.
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Back when I had a sprint nexus s. It was sending sms to Vietnam I never found out what it was and sprint wouldn't tell me or they couldn't stop it. They kept insisting it was me because they said it was both sending and receiving... Screw you sprint they still charged me for it too
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