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Will Anyone Buy a HTC Device If it becomes totally Unrootable

I have the HTC inspire 4G, and I'll be watching closely on phones i do not even own such as the thunderbolt to see if anyone is able to unlock the bootloader. Coming from a jailbroken Iphone 3GS and Iphone 4, to a rooted samsung captivate which I liked, has awesome graphics capability. 3 Months after buying the captivate the Inspire 4G was released and I had to have it. Not because its 4G, My 3G here in Tampa, Florida streamed HD videos without never having to stop to buffer, so I was satisfied with that, I average 3.8 down with almost every 3G phone I've ever owned. I bought it because of the screen size and camera flash. And I love it, I'm very impressed with my rooted Inspire, However a year from now, and I want another phone, If HTC becomes impossible to root, I'll go back to Samsung. Took 45 seconds to root my captivate and that includes downloading the one click root lol.
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I'm not saying I agree with them locking down the bootloader given the nature and ethos of Android, but from a business standpoint it does make sense. Perhaps they decided to begin locking things down because they were getting too many warranty/support claims by people who had screwed things up by modding their devices.
Again, I'm not defending it at all. Just try looking at it from the other perspective, eh?

The original code crunchers won't like people to mess with their software! But it's alright our great developers of XDA will breeze past any obstacles
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from a business point of view it does make sense, specially with what angingrich says, a boycott is not gonna help because
a)either way people will still buy the phone
b)only a minority actually gets into hacking the phone like us
so there you go, that been said i don't think they will stop with the locking process, now try that on Docomo or Softbank they won't even unlock the phone even if you threat them with lawsuits....i guess business is business after all.

consegregate said:
The original code crunchers won't like people to mess with their software! But it's alright our great developers of XDA will breeze past any obstacles
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I understand, I just feel it is my device, and I should be able to alter it the way I want. Just like the way I can on the Laptop I own. Be like getting a computer with no r/w access on your hard drive except to store multimedia.

angingrich said:
I'm not saying I agree with them locking down the bootloader given the nature and ethos of Android, but from a business standpoint it does make sense. Perhaps they decided to begin locking things down because they were getting too many warranty/support claims by people who had screwed things up by modding their devices.
Again, I'm not defending it at all. Just try looking at it from the other perspective, eh?
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I don't think support claims are the reason. Have you ever read about people bricking their HTC phones when they tried to root them? They brick their phones when they try to bypass a NAND lock or the Motorola signature check.

Given the choice I will not buy another handset with a locked bootloader.

budco2000 said:
I understand, I just feel it is my device, and I should be able to alter it the way I want. Just like the way I can on the Laptop I own. Be like getting a computer with no r/w access on your hard drive except to store multimedia.
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Mostly because r/w access to system files can eff things up more on a phone then a laptop? Safety for the average users and rooting for the more experienced who won't brick their phone and cry for warranty.
I won't buy an android phone if there's no root though! Nearly chucked my x10 mini pro because stock rom sucks.

It's Been Fun, Getting a SGS2

Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box. It's also been pretty sad watching everyone's desperation in either getting a stable CM7 build or a kluge of the Gingerbread pre-release to try and make all the phone's functions work properly. I've been pretty vocal about my dissatisfaction which I know has irked some of you. There were others, but they already bailed when their remorse periods ended so as we all jump ship there should be fewer "haters" and nothing but the positivity you seek here in G2X-land.
I was going to wait until 6/8 and get a Sensation but the phone re-booted in the middle of conference call to Asia and that shall we say was the end of that. I'm getting an international SGS2 instead. It'll arrive next week. It's an HSPA+ phone so it can do 21MB down on AT&T. To get on to AT&T's network I'm getting an Infuse 4G for $99 on 5/15 which I'll eBay for $400 easily. I'd be lucky to get $300 for the G2X once the Sensation's out and the comments on this forum certainly don't help the resale value. The SGS2 is $725 so the net after selling the Infuse will be $425 - $75 less than the G2X. I also won't have to be dependent on any carrier any longer and will get updates directly from Samsung.
Unlimited voice, unlimited messaging, 4GB of data, and tethering is $99 a month and AT&T has terrific international data plans when you're roaming where T-Mobile has none. Also, I'd rather pay $8 a GB if I go over my limit than be throttled to dial-up speeds by T-Mobile. My relationship with T-Mobile's always been love/hate but the G2X did me in. I'll still lurk and comment on this thread and if you have any SGS2 questions just ask. Also, modding may not be a dead horse. Paul posted the SGS2 firmware this morning.
See you guys in a year on AT&T-Mobile
P.S. - Gamers beware of the SGS2, it's been determined the Mali GPU doesn't support x-frame

X frame????

smashpunks said:
X frame????
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Oops. I was doing two things at once. X-Plane. It has a bigger impact than just one game, I was just too lazy to elaborate.
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068567

Thanks for posting your life story. Did you really need to type all that just to say you were buying the GSII? Nobody cares how you are going to acquired it. I am getting the GSII aswell but you don't see me making posts about it. I'm thankful that I got a working G2x from day one because I can tell you right now. Its the best Android device I've ever used. I haven't had a single problem with it. Lastly, every phone has problems when its released. If you don't think so then u haven't been in this game long enough. The G2x wont sell for anything less due to these forums. I think your giving these forums a little to much credit if you think they a driving phone sales on eBay down. LOL...where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Yea that gpu is going to bite a lot of gamers in the ass. This is why the SGS2 was never an option for me. I'd love that screen paired with a tegra but I don't see it happening soon.
Tegra looks like the most future welcoming chipset IMO which also deters me from the Sensation.
Sorry to see you have so many problems but you do what you have to do. I always have low expectations of stock rooms although the 2.2 stock did run great for me. I flash not to fix issues but to flash. I actually have more problems running custom then stock but that's half the fun because I know that it helps to get to that point we all would like.
So while a slight backlight bleed isn't viable for some, a gimped GPU for locked boot loader isn't for me. Aside that, the rest can be fixed and patched. That I can handle.
Also, good luck getting anything out of Samaung. Those guys never update their phones. Gingerbread was promised last august and they still don't have it.

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Thanks for posting your life story...
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And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.

BarryH_GEG said:
And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.
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I never said u weren't experienced in the phone world but if you are then you should understand no device is perfect within the first month of being released. Christ, my Vibrants GPS was never perfect and I used it for 8 months. I just don't understand why people are expected to get a perfect device when they buy them as soon as they become available. Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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Bye...bye...

The post would have held more water...if more of your points were valid that is..
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Hope you enjoy your new toy.
Pretty good phone but G2x is better

Don't let the door hit ya....
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.

jrwingate6 said:
Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want a phone that isn't meant to be tweaked then you are better off with an iPhone. You will never be happy with any android phone because android is meant for people who want to personalize and make their device theirs.
The g2x is a guiness world record holding powerhouse. It doesnt help your case to write a pompous and useless post.
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jsapp said:
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.
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Really, where did you get a Galaxy S II? I'd be interested in your experiences. Since it doesn't work on T-Mobile, I assumed you used it on AT&T. Where did you use it and what were your data speeds?

BarryH_GEG said:
I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.
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Why do you need to wait weeks? Just keep exchanging it until u get a working phone. It really is easy. I promise. I also get new phone ever couple of months and I've had to exchange everyone I got. That's exactly why I always purchase at a brick and mortar rather than online. I don't know why your living with a phone that doesn't work but I wouldn't stand for it. Go exchange it and hopefully you get a perfect one like me. Only took me 4 exchanges to find a perfect one. Lol
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Great....thanks for keeping us up to date.
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One thing is forsure, there will always be those that have a bad experience with a device no matter how super, duper, incredibly awesome it may be. Looks like you're one of those who will go down as having a bad experience with the G2x. You aren't the first, you won't be the last. And you can bet your ass there will be plenty of users over in the Samsung forum having the same frustrations with their SGS2's that you had with your G2x. That's just the way it goes with these things.
When I first got my Droid X I had a lot of problems with it. It took me a while to figure it out... it was my first Android device so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I finally got it to the point where it was a flawless device (all it was missing was an unlocked bootloader) for me. But that wasn't the case for every DX owner... plenty of the members of the Droid X forum took their device out of the box and the damn thing worked flawlessly without them having to tinker with it or do anything at all in order to 'fix' it. It might have been a little hard for me to swallow since I was experiencing so many random reboots, terrible lag, and constant freeze-ups... but it was true all the same. My poor performing DX was the exception, not the rule.
Same thing goes for the G2x. This time I'm on the other side of the fence (thank God). My G2x doesn't have the LED bleed issue, or the rebooting issue, or ANY issue for that matter. It has worked flawlessly right out of the box for me. And it's only been available here in the states for 3 weeks, so if there are still a few bugs to work out of CyanogenMod7 for it, that certainly isn't the end of the world. Nine months after getting my Droid X (at launch) and CM is nowhere on the DX's radar, and likely never will be. So just the fact that CM7 is working at all on this device is more progress than I was able to get out of my Motorola the whole time I used it (I still have it, just in case someone sneaks the bootloader keys out of Motorola HQ's I'll be first in line to beta test CM on it!).
Anyway my point is, if you like a device enough you'll stick it through the rough spots and see if you can't get it to work well enough for you to enjoy it. If you don't like a device enough to do that, then get another device, period. No need to explain yourself, you're a grown ass man. You can buy an iPhone, Win7, Blackberry, Palm... hell even a dumbphone if that's what you want. If it's a SGS2 that you want, go for it. I hope it makes you happier than this device obviously did not do.
But going out like you chose to do isn't going to go over well, I'm sure you understood that when you were typing that post out. What are you hoping to accomplish here, do you think you're going to convice those of us who are having a great experience with our G2x's to suddenly realize we got it all wrong? Should we all pack our LG's up and throw em on ebay pronto now too just because you didn't get along with yours?
No OEM is perfect, but for what it's worth I respect LG and Samsung the most out of all the manufacturers because they both refuse to give into the pressure the carriers have been putting on them to lock down their bootloaders. HTC comes in third in my book because while they do lock their bootloaders, at least they don't encrypt them. Basically they play both sides of the fence. They lock the bootloader to make it look like they're on the carriers side. But they don't encrypt them because they know that hackers will easily unlock them and still be able to develop on them at will.
What I don't get is your statement that you'll get your updates from Samsung... since when has Samsung rolled out updates in a timely fashion? For me LG is my top choice because they left the bootloader completely unlocked, and they left it vanilla Android. It's basically a Nexus device. Samsung would be my second choice since they don't lock their bootloaders either, but I'd have to get rid of touchwiz the second I got it.
All in all, I hope you have a good experience with your SGS2. No need to attempt to make us feel stupid for keeping our G2x's though. If we like our devices, why can't you just leave this community and wish us the best so that we can do the same to you?

Its safe to say Barry that no one cares. See ya
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BarryH_GEG said:
Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box.
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Really? Um...good luck with the SGS2.

Wow. This forum has become the dear diary of threads. I guess since the galaxy is almost a $1000 it won't have issues. You said you doubt the g2x will be worth $300 when the sensation comes out. Lol that was a insult. I guarantee the g2x will have more support and roms than the sensation. How can Cyan develop a rom, when he said himself he won't if it has a locked bootloader. I like what the galaxy can do but once it launches in the US and carriers strip it down like the original it wont hold its international value. Ill ride it out with the g2x. I'd rather return until I get a close to perfect instead of paying mortgage prices on a phone.
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[Poll] Returning my HTC Sensation

I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!

As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.

No problems. I can handle the flames, but also understand that people are sick of this. We can close this thread.

holding onto the phone may not be viable if there is fear that we won't be getting bootloaders unlocked. I have a limited time frame for when I can return this phone...

Elvis_Freshly said:
Either a MOD is going to close this or you are about to get flamed. #ImJustSaying
The mods say they don't want anymore of these types of threads in here as there are plenty already.
As I have said..You all are misinformed. As it was told to me was the bootloader unlocking tool will be a part of the htc dev tools site that will be launching soon. I suggest you relax, keep your phone and see how it goes. Not that serious to start a revolution over. Especially when it can be coming any day now.
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On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?

Hell no I'm not returning this phone its amazing! HTC is a huge international corporation, you're seriously surprised about getting canned responses?
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jkub said:
On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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I am also in the late stages of deciding to return the Sensation. It is a wonderful phone but many issues and no real answer about unlocking the bootloader(actual and factual info about when -where- and how.)and no word about updates and whether or not they will fix all of the issues. I am only speaking for me but I find it increasingly harder to keep and support a device that has numerous documented issues with no announced plan to fix them from HTC and nothing about unlocking the bootloader, except vague promises.. I also would like the link to the thread about dev tools.

If you're that sad that a locked bootloader is going to make you return your phone then you need to get out more. Get over it and just wait

No it's a great phone and works, with a few quirks, great. We already have received an update after one month so in 2-3 months we will receive the next update which will update the phone to a bug free heaven.
Besides, it's already possible to disable apps so I'm going to install Launcher Pro as soon as I'm bored with Sense. Have used Sense for 2 years on my Hero so I will survive.

This phone gonna be out g2x here i come .
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i kept it, but i am dissatisfied with it for other reasons which i will post in my " could htc have done more with the sensation" thread.

jkub said:
On a side note, would you mind pointing me to the thread about the dev tools you mentioned?
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Here...
http://www.htcdev.com/
And here...
http://developer.htc.com/

jkub said:
I decided to also make this post a poll. Will you return your HTC Sensation?
For everyone that is frustrated with the bootloader, you may want to follow suit. Don't hang onto this phone past your return policy time if you will be unhappy if it's not unlocked.
HTC haven't been able to definitively say "Yes we are unlocking the bootloader for the HTC Sensation." It seems all articles and re-posts that claim this will happen are quoting vague references and canned responses. I personally emailed them (as have many) to ask if it will be unlocked and all responses are (paraphrased) "We cannot say if it will be, but keep watching our media channels - facebook, twitter, etc". I went as far as trying to escalate to corporate (politely) and they were still unable to confirm if the HTC Sensation would or would not be unlocked.
So far zero confirmation. That's also zero confirmation on the reverse - they haven't definitively said they won't either. Grid lock.
What *has* been confirmed is that future devices will sport an unlocked bootloader. I'm willing to wait for this! This does not include the HTC Sensation or recent EVO.
I am returning my HTC Sensation to the store with 1 week left on my 30 day return policy. If they manage to deliver an unlocked bootloader between now and when the next device comes out I will gladly re-purchase the phone as the hardware and experience have been fantastic. Unfortunately being a fellow tweaker, I too want the ability to use custom roms and especially not be locked to a manufacturer's release schedule for Android updates. I went through too many let downs using a locked Motorola Android phone and will no longer be supporting locked devices full stop. Android is meant to help us be free of certain restrictions imposed by other operating systems and carriers.
I'm willing to wait for a non-bootloader locked phone with killer specs.
Sadly returning the device for now. Feel free to let us all know if you will also be, or have already returned your phone in hopeful anticipation of a completely open device.
Cheers all!
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You knew this phone had a locked bootloader when you bought it. It's funny how everyone is *****ing about it when they damn well knew it was locked. And what? Since HTC didnt release the unlocked bootloader a few weeks after the phone launches that's too long? Do I want my bootloader unlocked? HELL YEAH! Am I going to sit here and ***** and moan about it because HTC hasnt unlocked it yet? NO, because I knew I was buying a phone with a locked bootloader when I bought it. HTC Has said they will unlock the bootloader, they just didnt give an exact date as to when it would be unlocked. Even if HTC changes their minds, someone will get it unlocked eventually. Just look at the G2! That's never been officially unlocked..
I'm really tired of seeing all these posts with people *****ing about the bootloader.. YOU KNEW THIS WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PHONE.. so 1. Dont buy the effing phone until it's unlocked or 2. stop *****ing that it's locked and just be patient!!! It's quite SIMPLE..

People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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I would love for it to be unlocked, but I knew it wasn't when I bought it; and I've managed to work around it anyways..so I'm good.
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I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with

bonebeatz1234 said:
People knew it was locked but we also had the impression it would get unlocked that's the main reason people bought it. From what we hear htc aint unlocking **** , point blank they could of just told people its not going to be unlocked on Facebook and just ended it there instead of keeping hope alive. I still can live with it being locked cause i still have my ns and to think i was gonna sell it.
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OMG! really? what you hear must be different from what the rest of us hear, because judging on what I read in the forums they tell everyone the same thing. They are committed to what they said and they are working on getting it going. The phone hasnt even been out for a full month yet and so many of you are crying foul on HTC's part. When I spoke to someone there, they said yes they did get a memo about informing them about the new policy. She told me the newer phones (released in late summer/early fall) will come shipped with unlocked bootloaders and they were working on an update for both the sensation and evo3d(which at the time I spoke to her wasnt even released yet). She told me the techs think it's going to be a nightmare for them because of all the noobs bricking their devices. I'm sure they already have S-off ready but right now they are trying to figure out the best way to implement it. Just because they didnt unlock it in the first 4 weeks of release doesnt mean they lied! People need to have patience. I mean they have to figure out how they are going to do it and also brace themselves and be ready for tons of noobs calling in saying they ****ed up their device. There is more to it than "hey it's ready push it out"
For example, will it be a OTA update? I think they will try to not make it so easy so every tom **** and harry could **** up their phone. Will we have to call in and request it special? will we have to send our devices into HTC and have them unlock it for us? I'm sure the logistics are what they are working on now. But how you get they are lying from all the info people have gotten is amazing. They keep saying they are standing behind it, and that there will be a update of some kind to unlock it. The only thing they havent told us is WHEN. And if they did give us a date and then couldnt make the deadline then you would be saying the same ****, that they lied and would prob be even more pissed off. I honestly dont see it happening until late aug or sept. But I'm sure by then one of us devs will break it or get a leaked Hboot
n8dwgphx said:
I have to vote no because that other dual core from tmobile has an older android version and less RAM. And besides-the screen on my HTC HD2 is so unrelieable right now I gave it to my 3yr old son to play angry birds with
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I guess you are referring to the G2x? It does have Froyo stock but I hear CM7 got a lot more stable for it(I'm going to try it again). I run Faux's GB rom on my G2x. and it's pretty stable for me.
The ram issue? Sure the G2x has only 512 but I NEVER had a time when I didnt have at least 90-100mb of free ram and that's when everything I use is open and running in the background. Someone once said if you have that much available ram at all times even when you open everything up then it's pretty much wasted ram. When I got the G2x I came from the MT4G and I was REALLY concerned about having 768 and having to go to 512. But Cyanogen himself when he got the g2x said the 512 of ram was perfectly fine and there were no issues with it having only 512. When I read that I felt better about making the switch. And yes it does have less ram than the sensation but at this point and time my G2x blows my sensation out of the water speed and performance wise. I love my sensation and cant wait until we can see what this thing can really do

You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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charlieb620 said:
You guys are nitpicking about something you already knew about. So what does that make u?
I still got the phone knowing what I was getting. I came from the g2x and the nexus s and I don't regret getting rid of both.
The bootloader will be unlocked. We have root now and overclock so take that and have fun with it. Stop being impatient. This isn't the Atrix I'm sure it won't take that long lol.
If u want it that bad....start developing the unlock yourself or sit down and Stfu.
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Exactly! If the XDA app had a thanks button I'd be hitting it right now
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We need to ask them to add one lol.
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An official ICS release. \\This is not news, tips or how-to's.\\

I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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I would have deleted this if the option were available.

why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota

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I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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Easy killer. My phone has worked mostly fine since day one. Sure there were some software issues (random reboots due to the LTE radio, GPS, the most annoying), but that is to be expected when you buy bleeding edge technology. This was the first Verizon LTE smartphone, EVER.
That being said, the device is still on par with other top devices today. I haven't upgraded, because I haven't found another device I like that much better than this. The Nexus is nice, but I'm not big on the light flimsy build of those phones, plus samsung is notorious for poor reliability. Motorola screen's have been awful so far, or I would have considered the Razr Maxx.
Bottom line...why don't you cry about it...
BTW, there is nothing special about ICS. Sure it's nice to have the newest thing, but there really isn't that much to get excited about. I still don't understand why honey comb and ICS got rid of the search button. I use that thing constantly.

I have to say I've been 99% happy with this phone since release.
The 1% was the odd rebooting issue I had for 4 weeks in aprilish.
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Honestly I've liked this phone since I first got it, battery life sucked but that was nothing rooting and loading a rom couldn't fix. Other than that I'm still happy with my purchase.
I especially like it cause me and my girlfriend got phones from a good batch, handles low voltages and overclocking even up to 1.8 (not needed though) perfectly.
Thanks to all the developers who have been developing for the thunderbolt since day one, and all that are continuing to do so!
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Bigandrewgold said:
why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota
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Let's see.
1. The phone was the Flagship phone for LTE and was released with Froyo.
2. The phone was buggy at release and still shows some issues.
3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
4. ICS does have improvements over Froyo and GB.
5. Official OTA release of ICS will allow devs to create much better ROMs for this phone, rather approaching it by piecemealing parts from other Official ROMs.
6. Lastly, this phone was sold at a premium price and VZW's/HTC's support has been lackluster to be kind about it.
Note: I don't know the OP from Adam, but your experience, like mine, is anecdotal and not indicative of all others. VZW screwed the pooch on the roll-out and
HTC screwed the pooch on the releases of updates, support and finally, by rushing the damn thing out the door before it was ready.

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3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
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That's with any phone these days. I haven't had a single smartphone I haven't had to replace for one reason or another.
On a side note, the Tbolt isn't the only flagship phone with problems. The Galaxy Nexus has really bad call connectivity problems from what I hear, and that's supposed to be the MAIN function of a PHONE. lolz

All i will buy is htc. I know updates are slow to come. I also dont care. The newest isnt always the best, there are usually a fresh set of bugs to work out. That being said, the devs here and other sites give me enough variety to satisfy me. If you dont like the process, learn to code.
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Mr._Takahashi said:
I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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I'm sure HTC is reading your post right now
If you care, go call them and say what you said directly as it will do far more good for you and for the community.
I moved onto a Nexus, but I still use my Thunderbolt for development testing apps I make. Not even the Nexus is perfect though as the internal antennas are not as powerful at picking up data. My db is usually 10-15db worse than the thunderbolt. However, I would not trade my Nexus for any other phone as I got tired of having to wait on HTC and Verizon for updates on the Thunderbolt.

i just lol at this thread.

Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..

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Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..
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Well said. People are never satisfied. I guess they think HTC should put out updates as often as some ROMs get updated...
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I got the TB for $49 bucks new when I dropped T-Mobile. Rooted it the day I got it home and have never had a single problem with it that I cannot blame on bugs in the ROM or me OCing the crap out of it.
Everyones phone is gonna be better or worse than the next guy. Did we get screwed by Verizon??? Show me where in writing the promise a full ICS upgrade and you will see thousands of TB owners lining up to sue the piss off Verizon and HTC.
If you are gonna stay up on the newest devices, Hopefully you are not paying retail for the devices, Shop around and you will be amazed at what you can find.

I have a galaxy nexus just sitting on stand-by cause i've had no problems with my tbolt, besides the dev slowing down i really have no problems with my tbolt and has been my favorite phone. while it would be nice to get ICS soon im not tripping about it, my contract for the thunderbolt ends in december much wait and see what comes out by then.

why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.

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why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.
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Lol, you did.
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The two people I know with a nexus have had quite a few issues with their phones.. biggest problems being being signal and when leaving WiFi they don't get data until turning their data off and back on... Point is what ever phone you go to there will be something that bugs you about it and the update that fixes your problem will never come out fast enough.. be happy for what you have..
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i never get tired of forum drama, except that it makes me crave ham.

I haven't had a problem since day 1. I got home, rooted it and put liquid smooth on. I've always been one to have a new rom every week but this one's been so good with battery life and everything that I haven't even tried another one. I love this phone. On another note, my brother got the same phone and has had problems. Just like any other electronic item, you might get a dud.

Verizon SG3 worth keeping?

Given Verizon's encrypted bootloader and highly unlikely chance that the developer version will help in unlocking this phone, is it still worth keeping? I haven't even taken the SG3 out of the FedEx box because I don't want to be stuck with an unmoddable phone. I currently have a Thunderbolt running ThunderShed's ROM with IMO's kernel, and do not want to give up that experience just for a shinier phone. What are your thoughts and opinions?

I'd say it's worth keeping till the end of the 14-day return period, hopefully the bootloader will either be cracked by then (of course, this date varies depending on when you got your phone), or it will become apparent that it's never going to be cracked.

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I'd say it's worth keeping till the end of the 14-day return period, hopefully the bootloader will either be cracked by then (of course, this date varies depending on when you got your phone), or it will become apparent that it's never going to be cracked.
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I just received the phone yesterday, so I have until 7/25 - a good chunk of dev time. I just really hope this doesn't turn out to be a Moto-esque debacle where it's a massive kludge.

One thing that I've noticed with this phone vs others: it works extremely well out of the box. Not only that but we're going to get JB. If modding is that super important to you, either wait for the next Nexus (not guaranteed to be on VZW), or get the current one. You're not going to get a totally moddable phone anymore unless you get the Nexus. Or you can just switch carriers for an unlocked GS3.
For myself: I'm tired of crackflashing. I'm tired of running the latest ROM release and working through bugs. I'm sick of things not working and constantly wiping over and over again. I wanted a phone that just worked well out of the box, and the GS3 is perfect for that. Of course this is entirely subjective, and your needs are obviously more inline with Nexus devices. I'd say if you don't want to put the bootloader status to chance, wait for the next Nexus.

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One thing that I've noticed with this phone vs others: it works extremely well out of the box. Not only that but we're going to get JB. If modding is that super important to you, either wait for the next Nexus (not guaranteed to be on VZW), or get the current one. You're not going to get a totally moddable phone anymore unless you get the Nexus. Or you can just switch carriers for an unlocked GS3.
For myself: I'm tired of crackflashing. I'm tired of running the latest ROM release and working through bugs. I'm sick of things not working and constantly wiping over and over again. I wanted a phone that just worked well out of the box, and the GS3 is perfect for that. Of course this is entirely subjective, and your needs are obviously more inline with Nexus devices. I'd say if you don't want to put the bootloader status to chance, wait for the next Nexus.
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WOW!!! right on the head with that one, I feel the exact same way.
Usually I jump on any mod available but this time i like it just working.
I'm really just waiting on Jelly Bean now.

Depends if you can roll stock. I got at&t gs3. On task and ktoon AOPK and phone is far better than touch wiz. Even with a few minor bugs that will be worked out. On release #2 and its awsome
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Got my phone today and I gotta admit I love the phone Rooted with stock. I would say keep it. Remember the bootloader is locked but only for now.

Aquila76 said:
Given Verizon's encrypted bootloader and highly unlikely chance that the developer version will help in unlocking this phone, is it still worth keeping? I haven't even taken the SG3 out of the FedEx box because I don't want to be stuck with an unmoddable phone. I currently have a Thunderbolt running ThunderShed's ROM with IMO's kernel, and do not want to give up that experience just for a shinier phone. What are your thoughts and opinions?
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Its extremely early to write off our chances of getting past the bootloader. Even with the encrypted bootloader there has been massives amount of progress, and the phone just hit the stores TODAY. Calling it an unmoddable phone isn't accurate, as we already have the ability to run custom kernels and roms, just not an unsigned boot image. Patience is key, but if you dont have any, return it and get a GNEX with its one gig of ram and 5mp camera

In the news
Samsung will offer open bootloader for Verizon SGS3 phones - on their site.

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Samsung will offer open bootloader for Verizon SGS3 phones - on their site.
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Where is the source or proof of your claim

I was in the same boat op but after using mine I'm loving it. I came from a droid x running cm7gb and I miss things like hard button music control and other customization but the hardware makes up for it. I rooted using the new method and I love it even more. I'm confident that the devs will make progress. IMO the gap between stock and custom is a lot smaller on this phone. Once jb comes to it it will be insane even if it's a samsung version.

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Samsung will offer open bootloader for Verizon SGS3 phones - on their site.
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Yes, you can purchase a totally new phone for $600 if you're up for the expense. It's not a simple software download.

Thanks guys. I think I'm gonna go ahead and fire it up for the time being. Worst case, I can return it in a couple weeks if the stock ROM is too annoying. Best case, the bootloader gets cracked like my Thunderbolt. Most likely, I'll just stop worrying and love the bomb. It sounds like the OEMs have realized we don't want messy, bloated, slothy interfaces gumming up our phones.
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Well, just wanted to add a final note to this. I'm trying to return it and go back to my Thunderbolt. The radio is terrible compared to that phone, constantly dropping wifi and 3G/4G. The phone keeps locking to a black screen requiring a battery pull to restart it. Just not worth the aggravation.
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I plan on keeping the SG3 until the nexus comes out hopefully on Verizon.
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Aquila76 said:
Well, just wanted to add a final note to this. I'm trying to return it and go back to my Thunderbolt. The radio is terrible compared to that phone, constantly dropping wifi and 3G/4G. The phone keeps locking to a black screen requiring a battery pull to restart it. Just not worth the aggravation.
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Maybe you got a dud. I know (myself included) 8 people who already have these phones, plus many many on here and none have your issues. Yeah, your signal is reported differently than htc phones, but what gives there.

It's definitely worth keeping. I have came from iphones and various android devices such as the htc evo, motorola droid razr and the samsung galaxy nexus for verizon and I love the samsung s3. Out of all these devices even with the extended battery on them this battery/phone out performs the other phones.
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Maybe you got a dud. I know (myself included) 8 people who already have these phones, plus many many on here and none have your issues. Yeah, your signal is reported differently than htc phones, but what gives there.
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Guess there's lots of duds out there then...

TechSavvy2 said:
Maybe you got a dud. I know (myself included) 8 people who already have these phones, plus many many on here and none have your issues. Yeah, your signal is reported differently than htc phones, but what gives there.
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Exactly, this phone is awesome

Hmmm, a couple of people mentioned that they are tired of modding and crackflashing? Why are you still here on xda? I buy android so I can feed my addiction of owning new phones without actually changing devices. I look forward to new mods and roms.
Oh ya, with all the new development, almost everything can be done with the so called locked bootloader. I'm running the new cm10 /jelly Bean as my daily driver. #screwyouverizon
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