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I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
This resulted in a razor sharp edge to protrude from the phone at the Home button. My wife went to answer a call and when she pulled the phone up to her face it resulted in a very deep slash to her right cheek. I was surprised on how badly my phone cut my wife. We couldn't get the bleeding to stop as it put a deep cut into the side of her face. I called AT&T and informed them of what happened and requested that they replace the phone but they say this issue is not covered under warranty. The idiot on the phone implied that I must have dropped the phone. The request to talk to his superior got me little results.
FYI...even with the $5/mo. insurance AT&T tried to tell me that I would have to pay a $125 deductible for a replacement unit. You cannot SuperGlue these corners back down without risking also gluing down the soft keys or I would have tried to fix the phone myself. I even threatened to take the 30 lines my company has with AT&T wireless (we average $150/mo per line) back to Verizon Wireless if they did not replace my phone and still they could care less.
My next move was to call HTC America this morning but they too were of no help. I was transfered to some product specialist who claimed they had no record of such an issue. So I am stuck with a very expensive phone that is falling apart.
Since AT&T was so rude and unhelpful I am taking all 30 of my employee's lines plus those of my family back to Verizon and it will be the last HTC product I buy. High performance phones but dare you have any problem I learned the hard way that AT&T nor HTC are willing to stand behind their product. I hear that the Samsung Omnia is supposed to be a great smartphone and I've had good luck with Samsung products. The Omnia lacks the VGA screen but boasts a 5MP camera...at this point I'll take if over an overpriced HTC product that begins to fail soon after purchase! I also remember how Verizon was almost always too willing to replace a quirky smartphone every time I had an issue.
I have to believe that others must be having the same defective issue with their Touch/Touch Pro/Fuze screen or soft keys peeling off. If so we need to gang up on HTC to do the right thing and replace these phones!!!
ummmm.... The "soft keys" are the virtual buttons on the screen at the bottom. The HARD KEYS are the Home and Back, etc.
I could see them warping from sun/heat, water/sweat exposure and possibly a glue failure where the edges roll/lift up.
I expect half your issue is dealing with the wrong people the wrong way. Regardless of how/why the laminate is rolling up, there should be a repair kit at some level to replace that panel... (I doubt that you could do so without disassembling the phone) HTC OEMs the phone to AT&T/Sprint/Verizon and it is AT&T/sprint/etc's responsibility... not HTC.
Call their support line and immediately ask to speak to their supervisor, get their name if they do not do so, hang up and call again until you get transferred. Explain that you have something to the effect of manufacturer's flaw and you want a REPLACEMENT or REPAIR on your relatively new phone as the way it is now it is potentially safety issue.
Arguing with the $7.00 phone reps accomplishes nothing...
more megapixels mean better!!!!
I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
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It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
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I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Being unkind is unattractive, period. However, it's not the customer's responsibility to make you feel warm, fuzzy, and respected. When you work in customer service you're being paid money in exchange for turning angry people into not-angry people. You have to use your people skills and stop feeling so entitled. (From someone who's worked many years in customer service).
i kinda miss worded my self, i would try and work things out regardless of the attitude of the customer. I am VERY tolerant when it comes to people and i have been commented by co-workers on how well i handle things. When people become stubborn and don't listen to what you have to say is when things become difficult. If your nice i'll put a good word in to management to have a rule or two bent in your favor. I'm not saying if you act like an ass i will not help you at all, i just wont be going that extra mile.
Example, iPods. I would deal with dozens of ipods a week (and i mean 4 dozen on a good week). Some times they would be fully covered under warranty, and some times not. If it looks like your dropped it the warranty is void. Now if its not working, but has a minor dent like it was dropped, and they claim it worked post damage, then i may be able to pull a string or two to help you out. If i say it might not be covered and steam shoots out your ears and you throw it at me, well, i will tell you to leave. Telling me you will never shop at a best buy again has no effect on me. That just means i have one less jerk to deal with. I worked in one of the busiest stores in the are, and being so close to Philly and some other not so nice areas i had to deal with allot of scum bags.
What i am trying to say, be nice. It helps. What i am not saying is that i will dismiss your case if your mean or inconsiderate. If some one comes in and brightens my day, i will try and return the favor.
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It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
I have heard about the button area rubbing on the corner of the screen and causing the laminate to come up, particular on the corner of the home key. Therese a few threads in here about that. That whole pad i believe is held in with some 2 sided tape and i think some got out with a crooked pad.
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I just hope your wife is fine now. I would second what Radimus said in the second post in this thread. Keep calling and try to reach a supervisor, who, most of the times, will understand your problem. What I have learned from speaking to AT&T reps is, that each one is different. Some are really willing to help, while others just doing the job because they have to. If the supervisor does not help, ask how you can formally lodge a complaint or file a report about your issue.
Something worth noticing is that the sales rep make notes - maybe not always, but they do - about what the customer called about and what was the result. So, deal with them in a way that would make things fall on your side in the future. I can certainly understand how frustrated you would be.
This is wired, because I thought I was the only one who's phne that happen to. I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. But now since this came up, I know it is the ATT Fuze phone this is happeing to. Maybe if some how we keep telling them they will figure it is there fault. I take very good of my phone, so I know it is next from heavy use. PLus just like you, I had it for ONLY a couple of months.
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I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Perhaps the problem with AT&T customer care is that they think just like you. Nowhere did I say I was "hooting and hollering off the bat..." I was calm and courteous that was until 1) the jackass giggled when I told him that my wife was slashed by the phone 2) I learned the representative accused me of dropping the phone and made a note on my account that I said the phone was dropped. This phone was never dropped and not once did it come up in our call so why make a note on my account that the phone was dropped? I'll tell you a lazy service rep that took the easy way out . By the time he transfer me to a manager it was no use...she immediately noticed in my account notes that the rep noted that I had dropped the phone when I never did! I think in my case I had every reason to be upset.
UPDATE: I did get AT&T to replace the Fuze but it was only when the local AT&T store called in and said that the phone was not holding it's charge. Now, the scary part. The representative on the phone who works in the warranty department asked to speak to me and said that they were shipping out a replacement Fuze. IF they find anything on the phone that they consider "physical damage" I will automatically be billed $499 on my AT&T Wireless account with no chance for refund or opportunity to dispute.
The replacement phone has not showed up yet, but I am almost tempted to send it right back in fear that I will get charged $499 for this laminate issue. How do I know that they won't call the issue "physical damage?"
I never had these issues with Verizon and am thinking about shipping the phone right back, sell my Fuze on eBay for whatever I can get for it and run back to AT&T. I also politely called and e-mailed HTC America (for those here that assume every customer has anger issues.) No reply to my e-mail or voicemail despite sharing with them photos of my wife's injury.
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NO it doesn't but if AT&T won't take care of the problem I'll switch back to Verizon and the Omina has better specs than the Verizon version of the Touch Pro...
The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.
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The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.
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The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who don't read a thread before replying. I never hooted or hollered at anyone, though I had every right to do so. I never "threatened" anyone at AT&T or mention pulling our phones...I know they don't care if my company leaves AT&T or they would have taken care of the issue. I just stated what my intentions were since AT&T and HTC refused to help.
Hmmm...do you work at AT&T as a Customer Care rep? Did you work Saturday afternoon? Are you that rude agent I had to work with? Darnell Walker, is that you????????
To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.
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To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.
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I will be sure to get you a few pics in the morning...thanks!
SUE!!!!!! I would sue HTC and or AT&T for the injury to your wife. Then once you get what you want out of them, then switch to Verizon.
i should prolly take pictures of mine. its doing the same thing. its very slight but very pokey. if you slide you finger across it, it stabs you.
I wouldnt really worry about AT&T billing you for the damaged phone. I probably did 3 or 4 warranty replacements over the last few years and ALL of the phones looked like they went through hell. My tilt didnt align properly and had paint chipping everywhere, also a lot of spots where it kissed the concrete. They took it back just fine.
SUE Them and Look for Overseeing Agencies.
You should sue them. Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
You have a case here if you did not dropped the phone.
You can find direct contact to the president or regional manager (you need to insist and insist, it is not going to be easy, all the down line will tell you they can help, just don't loose your time and talk to the BIG GUYS), and ask for a meeting, once you show evidence they WILL REPLACE IT.
JUST write down the date you first NOTICED THEM about the issue, so they CANNOT say that you did not in TIME.
IF you CANNOT succeed, then I'M SURE AS HELL there's GOT TO BE an AGENCY where you can COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM (Like FCC or Whatever that will put them Penalties, and at that time they WILL BEG YOU to PLEASE let them REPLACE IT for YOU) and you will see how fast they will move.
I've Been Manager and Owner of my Own Business, Contracts, ETC. since 17, I hope my experience HELP YOU on HOW to CLAIM your RIGHTS as a CONSUMER.
AND REMEMBER TO BE GOOD and SOFT with your words, LOOK like as Responsible and Professional you can be.
Take Care.
the actual phone's laminate is coming off??? or are u guys talking about the included screen protector that doesnt seem to like to stick onto the phone around the corners.
I had to snip my screen protector with a nail clipper to keep it from ruining my pants. it started rolling back and became quite sharp.
Hi all. Wondered if im the only one with this issue...?
Basically, i have dust on the inside of the rear camera lense cover. The TF isnt that old, so if its like this now, god knows what its going to be like in a few months.
See attached pic.
Tried contacting Asus on Twitter, but they just ignore me
wonder if that cover will come off to clean it?
Ross.
You're not the only one with this issue. I looked at mine a few weeks ago and there wasnt a problem but I've looked again today and there's clearly bits of something under the glass/plastic covering. Looks like it might have surfaced due to static or something. I also have the right speaker louder than the left issue. I'll wait a bit til the supply problems are sorted and then RMA it. You won't get a reply on twitter or facebook or anywhere else that isnt a designated support place. I honestly dont see why you're surprised by this. You will have to go via their website or use the right support number for your country and ring them up. Much less hassle via the site though.
Yeah, mine has dust too. Funny because I just noticed it last night. I don't think that it affects the photos, but I'm not sure if it came that way or is building up.
non here after 2 weeks.
I would have thought they could have at least DM'd me and said "sorry your having probs, please call xxxxxxx number to discuss". Im in the UK, and have contacted both asus and asus uk.
any comunication methods seem to be failing them, no contact about dosk payments, shipment dates etc. its a fantastic device, let down by niggles like this.
dont want to be sending back yet as probably wont get one in return for ages.
I just checked on mine and I notice one decently large spec of dust underneath already. Yet another issue to add to the list of ongoing issues :\ I'm debating whether I should just return it to Walmart and wait to order another down the road when they are having better quality control.....or if I should just wait an RMA it. I just hope that they will provide an RMA.
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I would have thought they could have at least DM'd me and said "sorry your having probs, please call xxxxxxx number to discuss". Im in the UK, and have contacted both asus and asus uk.
any comunication methods seem to be failing them, no contact about dosk payments, shipment dates etc. its a fantastic device, let down by niggles like this.
dont want to be sending back yet as probably wont get one in return for ages.
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Yeah, but once they reply to one person, everyone then expects a reply, and they wont have the man-power for that. If people use the proper support avenues then they can manage their work force properly. Otherwise before long it's 10,000 pissed off people rather than 1, for almost no reason.
I also have a lot of dust under the camera cover, however its almost a non issue as I will rarely take pictures with my tablet, and I installed a screen protector that I would lose and have to purchase and reapply.
I finally got my Eee Pad from NewEgg, and I was generally pretty happy with it for the week I've had it so far. Just this morning though, I bumped into my door while holding it and the power button got swiped. Now there's a visible dent in the area around the button, and the power button itself appears to be broke. When I press it down, there's no longer the "click" that you would expect when you press the button. And of course, it no longer turns on.
Needless to say, I'm pretty irate right now. I didn't really bump into the door hard at all, and I would consider this damage to be normal wear and tear. Can anybody recommend a course of action here? Should I attempt to repair it myself, or should I just go ahead and RMA it right now? Even though NewEgg says they have a replacement only policy for the Eee Pad, the rep I talked to said if they don't have any in stock at the time the RMA is processed, it'll turn into a refund instead.
wait, so you damaged it and you want to RMA/return it?
How can you RMA for damage you caused yourself?
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I finally got my Eee Pad from NewEgg, and I was generally pretty happy with it for the week I've had it so far. Just this morning though, I bumped into my door while holding it and the power button got swiped. Now there's a visible dent in the area around the button, and the power button itself appears to be broke. When I press it down, there's no longer the "click" that you would expect when you press the button. And of course, it no longer turns on.
Needless to say, I'm pretty irate right now. I didn't really bump into the door hard at all, and I would consider this damage to be normal wear and tear. Can anybody recommend a course of action here? Should I attempt to repair it myself, or should I just go ahead and RMA it right now? Even though NewEgg says they have a replacement only policy for the Eee Pad, the rep I talked to said if they don't have any in stock at the time the RMA is processed, it'll turn into a refund instead.
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I don't think you can get a replacement or refund from newegg...but give it a shot. Maybe your transformer is just in the "sleep mode of death" Have you tried to hold the button down for more than 10 seconds, wait a minute, then hold the power down again for 5 seconds to turn it back on?
No offence but thats not normal wear and tear, that's accidental/negligence. Not covered under any warranty, unless you took out accidental cover (insurance) when you purchased it.
You physically damaged it. I don't see why you feel entitled to a replacement.
If you have no moral issues with trying to return it or get it replaced then by all means try ans maybe you'll get one.
You're not entitled to one though and the fact that you think you are is comical.
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Unlucky.......feel for you......BUT it is your fault
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@csmail, no I don't think I'm entitled to get it replaced/refunded. And I don't think it's a question of morals here. If NewEgg accepts it, then great! If not, oh well. Now if I went back to NewEgg and protested the rejection, then that would be ethically questionable. At least in my mind. I'm really at the mercy of NewEgg here. I can only cross my fingers.
I still, however, think this is normal wear and tear. It wasn't a bad brush against the door at all, and it's really something that would've happened eventually unless I babied it constantly.
Looking back to the commercial ASUS released where they had the guy out and about town with the Eee Pad, where he's in class taking notes with it, then he's outside with his friends where he callously undocks the Eee Pad to show his friends something, then he's at the coffee shop with his girlfriend playing a head-to-head video game with both of them banging away on it, and then he's at the skateboard park taking pics with it I'm now thinking "yeah right!". With that kind of treatment, his Eee Pad would be dead in a week.
Apparently, the only place this thing should be used is within the safe confines of your home held only by edges and placed softly on a pillow in a quiet secluded room when not in use. I'm not particularly rough with my gadgets. But devices such as these are meant to be *used*, not put in a glass case to be displayed. And it's supposed to double as a netbook? Yea, good luck with that.
I used a Samsung Galaxy Tab before this, and compared to the Eee Pad, that thing is built like a tank. It's still going strong.
Now with that rant out of the way, I was generally pleased with the Eee Pad. The IPS display was simply awesome. Battery life was also great. There were some software quirks, but I noticed ASUS has a FW update available which I was about to install sometime during the next few days. But I guess that's out now. If NewEgg has mercy on me, I'm on the fence on whether or not to get a replacement or wait until the new Galaxy Tabs come out.
You are trying to justify returning a damaged device by saying it would have happened anyway unless you babied it. I'm not sure about other people but I baby all my gadgets and that's why they never get damaged like this. I'm not saying it would never happen to me because accidents do happen from time to time just like it did to you, but no accidents yet (knock on wood). From a moral standpoint, if you think you can get away with it and it doesn't bother you then maybe you'll get lucky and they will accept it. But for the record, no matter how many times you tell yourself its normal wear and tear banging something up against a door... its not.
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I think you are on the hook for this, so your options are send it into Asus for repair or repair it yourself knowing this likely voids your warranty.
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You are trying to justify returning a damaged device by saying it would have happened anyway unless you babied it.
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No I don't think NewEgg should give me my money back/give me a replacement because of a damage that I think would've happened eventually. The ball is entirely in their court and I will live with whatever decision they make. It'd be stupid not to try though. There is nothing ethically questionable about this unless I was being deceitful, which I am not.
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I'm not sure about other people but I baby all my gadgets and that's why they never get damaged like this. I'm not saying it would never happen to me because accidents do happen from time to time just like it did to you, but no accidents yet (knock on wood).
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I guess thats where you and I differ. It wasn't like I was using my Eee Pad as a door stop while not in use or something. It was a casual bump against a soft wooden door. It wasn't even a head-on collision. It was a swipe against the door. I am on order of magnitude way rougher with my cell phone, the aforementioned Galaxy Tab, and my laptop and they are all chugging away like the day I bought them.
I guess the original point of my post was to rant about the build quality of these Eee Pads. I buy these things to be tools, not to have to show off how much money I have. I wanted to be able to throw this thing into my bag when I go on travel or out into the field like I can with my Galaxy Tab. Turns it out it's way too fragile for that. It can't even take a casual bump. People reading this thread and considering an Eee Pad may want to take notice if durability is a requirement.
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No I don't think NewEgg should give me my money back/give me a replacement because of a damage that I think would've happened eventually. The ball is entirely in their court and I will live with whatever decision they make. It'd be stupid not to try though. There is nothing ethically questionable about this unless I was being deceitful, which I am not.
I guess thats where you and I differ. It wasn't like I was using my Eee Pad as a door stop while not in use or something. It was a casual bump against a soft wooden door. It wasn't even a head-on collision. It was a swipe against the door. I am on order of magnitude way rougher with my cell phone, the aforementioned Galaxy Tab, and my laptop and they are all chugging away like the day I bought them.
I guess the original point of my post was to rant about the build quality of these Eee Pads. I buy these things to be tools, not to have to show off how much money I have. I wanted to be able to throw this thing into my bag when I go on travel or out into the field like I can with my Galaxy Tab. Turns it out it's way too fragile for that. It can't even take a casual bump. People reading this thread and considering an Eee Pad may want to take notice if durability is a requirement.
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You should try the XOOM instead. I miss its metal housing and overall superior stability. But it doesn't have the dock, IPS screen or the very useful ASUS software. I am selling mine on eBay right now but it was a very tough decision!
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I finally got my Eee Pad from NewEgg, and I was generally pretty happy with it for the week I've had it so far. Just this morning though, I bumped into my door while holding it and the power button got swiped. Now there's a visible dent in the area around the button, and the power button itself appears to be broke. When I press it down, there's no longer the "click" that you would expect when you press the button. And of course, it no longer turns on.
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Can I suggest that you plugin your charger to wake it up? Maybe that way you can at least still use it...
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I finally got my Eee Pad from NewEgg, and I was generally pretty happy with it for the week I've had it so far. Just this morning though, I bumped into my door while holding it and the power button got swiped. Now there's a visible dent in the area around the button, and the power button itself appears to be broke. When I press it down, there's no longer the "click" that you would expect when you press the button. And of course, it no longer turns on.
Needless to say, I'm pretty irate right now. I didn't really bump into the door hard at all, and I would consider this damage to be normal wear and tear. Can anybody recommend a course of action here? Should I attempt to repair it myself, or should I just go ahead and RMA it right now? Even though NewEgg says they have a replacement only policy for the Eee Pad, the rep I talked to said if they don't have any in stock at the time the RMA is processed, it'll turn into a refund instead.
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Common guys, OP just wants to ask for opinions. Nothing unethical about this.
OP, if you used your AMEX when you ordered this, you can get your money back thru AMEX.
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No I don't think NewEgg should give me my money back/give me a replacement because of a damage that I think would've happened eventually. The ball is entirely in their court and I will live with whatever decision they make. It'd be stupid not to try though. There is nothing ethically questionable about this unless I was being deceitful, which I am not.
I guess thats where you and I differ. It wasn't like I was using my Eee Pad as a door stop while not in use or something. It was a casual bump against a soft wooden door. It wasn't even a head-on collision. It was a swipe against the door. I am on order of magnitude way rougher with my cell phone, the aforementioned Galaxy Tab, and my laptop and they are all chugging away like the day I bought them.
I guess the original point of my post was to rant about the build quality of these Eee Pads. I buy these things to be tools, not to have to show off how much money I have. I wanted to be able to throw this thing into my bag when I go on travel or out into the field like I can with my Galaxy Tab. Turns it out it's way too fragile for that. It can't even take a casual bump. People reading this thread and considering an Eee Pad may want to take notice if durability is a requirement.
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Not saying you were being neglectful or anything, and yes it would be ideal for it to survive a brush with a hard surface. As I said before, if newegg takes it back, more power to you. however, just because you had a bad experience with it don't deem the build quality to be crap. I am happy with mine Having said that, as a former xoom owner I would say that the xoom would have come out of this unscathed most likely (not must because the power button is on the back either). The xoom was just a little more solid feeling, but it had it's drawbacks as well which I won't get into. In any case I hope it works out for you and you can remain a transformer owner. Also if you didn't already might I suggest purchasing the asus sleeve, it have been just enough protection to save you.
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Common guys, OP just wants to ask for opinions. Nothing unethical about this.
OP, if you used your AMEX when you ordered this, you can get your money back thru AMEX.
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Does purchasing through AMEX cover accidental damage?
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Does purchasing through AMEX cover accidental damage?
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Yes. Unless they changed it recently.
Personally I think this thread was started by a troll since it's their second ever posting on a flame worthy subject. But for the record, Newegg is obviously not responsible for someone damaging their own device so asking them to eat $400 because someone was careless seems rather deplorable.
The answer is pay to get it fixed or fix it yourself.
As far as not being deceitful I would agree with you if you submitted an RMA request that said "Banged Device Against Door and Broke It". You did not do that because it would be declined so you lied. You're not betting on their mercy, you're betting on them being too busy to notice that you trashed it.
Anyway, I like Newegg. They have great customer service, reasonable prices and cater to the geeks among us. It's a shame when people lie and cheat to get game a system that once broken leaves us in the hands of Best Buy and Amazon.
There's a reason most of us use cases or put silicon skins on our fancy little devices when out in the wild, they are fragile. I don't see anything about the build quality of the Transformer to make me think it is more or less so true for this device.
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Personally I think this thread was started by a troll since it's their second ever posting on a flame worthy subject. But for the record, Newegg is obviously not responsible for someone damaging their own device so asking them to eat $400 because someone was careless seems rather deplorable.
The answer is pay to get it fixed or fix it yourself.
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Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But I can assure you I am not trolling.
The good news is I just managed to fix it myself just now. Turns out the bump caused the power button to get stuck. I took a dulled box cutter and pried the back lid open just a little to unstick it. Now the button clicks when pressed like it should and everything works as before.
So that this thread isn't a total waste of time, I'll just say that people need to know that this thing doesn't have the greatest of build qualities. Especially since it can convert into a netbook, the Eee Pad really needs to be more rugged. Even when in netbook mode, the buttons and so forth are still vunerable and if I treated it the same way I treat my laptop, I'd have a $400 ($550 including the dock) paper weight in no time.
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As far as not being deceitful I would agree with you if you submitted an RMA request that said "Banged Device Against Door and Broke It". You did not do that because it would be declined so you lied. You're not betting on their mercy, you're betting on them being too busy to notice that you trashed it.
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I had to talk to a customer rep to get an RMA number for the Eee Pad. It's not my fault she didn't ask for specifics. Furthermore, I would presume they inspect the merchandise before proceeding with the RMA at which point they would
clearly be able to see the damage on the power button. How can I possibly be still at fault if they decided to still proceed with the RMA?
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It's a shame when people lie and cheat to get game a system that once broken leaves us in the hands of Best Buy and Amazon.
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Yea, I agree. I hope you're not talking about me though because I'm not lying or cheating. They could've either given me the refund/replacement or not. I would've accepted either result.
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There's a reason most of us use cases or put silicon skins on our fancy little devices when out in the wild, they are fragile.
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Great! Know where we can get one for the Eee Pad? I got the official $40 ASUS sleeve for it from NewEgg, but as you can probably conclude by now that didn't do squat as far as protecting anything. And not those sleeves where you have to take the tablet out of it to use it. That hurts usability if you're trying to use your tablet like a digital book or something.
To all you "moral guys". Has anyone who has posted here bought a device, rooted it, restored it then returned it?
I've had my TF101 since launch and recently purchased a dock. Only trackpad on the dock works, none of the keys work. Tried the dock on another tf101 and it worked fine. After trying different roms and reverting to stock, came to the point where I had to send it in to Asus.
My question is, my bezel has 2 dents/knocks on the bottom corners, what are the chances Asus is going to say it's customer induced damaged and charge me for the repairs?
I remember reading a thread where someone had the same issue but I can't find it. Also I forgot to mention my light bleed had gotten worse and the rear case creaks, can I call them back up and tell them about that?
UPDATE: I just remembered that I complete forgot my 32GB microSD in the TF and it has a bunch of custom rom .zip files in it! What are the chances I get my microSD card back with my tF if they do replace the bezel?
*Sigh*
It's 50/50 about the chances that they will call it customer induced damage.
Go ahead and call them up and tell them about it.
I'll be honest. Chances are you won't get your sdcard back. There's been too many reports of people not getting their stuff back. Here's why. In order to take out the bezel, they will need to remove the microsdcard. Chances are the card will get lost because it is so small.
My condolences.
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On a lighter note, here's a funny story. As you may know, I modify docks to solder in a 500/750gb hard drive. One time someone sent me his dock with his sdcard inside. I promised him I'd put pictures of the mod process inside his sdcard. When I opened it up, I found 16gb of gay porn inside. Thought it was hilarious.
Note that I am not homophobic. I date guys, actually. Still think that was hilarious. Hope you didn't leave your porn collection in there LOL.
Haha, thank you, but thankfully it's a fairly new card and haven't had time to put anything on it
I had the latest version of Prime! and Revolver roms on their along with cwm and root apk's. Also had some videos of a storm that rolled through here last week and I think that's about it. But I just got the card, and for a good deal so I'll be pretty upset if I don't get it back
Side story: A couple years back I found a memory stick someone had left in the student lab, so I opened it up seeing if I could identify the owner and get it back to him/her. Well, turns out it was loaded with BEASTIALITY porn! I unplugged that thing soo quick and threw it across the lab floor, I didn't want to be caught with that **** on university computers!
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Just got off the phone with Asus, I added the light bleed and rear case creak to my RMA but now i'm thinking I shouldn't have. This is probably going to make the repair longer and I'm planning on heading out of town next weekend, I highly doubt it's going to get back to me in time . Also it wasn't bothering me that much before and now i'm worried it's going to get back worse then before. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Regarding the microSD, the rep said he'd have to escalate my case to get the card sent back to me asap but no guarantee. TF hasn't reached them yet, should arrive either later today or early tomorrow. fingers crossed.
With their computer components you get ~14 days to post mark the item after you setup your RMA. You may want to read the entire email for your RMA.
And generally, no, you won't get your card back unless they immediately see the dents and package it up and send it back to you. Normally, ASUS isn't too picky, but there have been horror stories about the Texas RMA facility, sorry to say. If they do claim it as user damage, then they will email you before they repair it and ask if you want it done.
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Got the delivery confirmation earlier today at noon, but the RMA status says they still haven't received it. I Know they usually take a while to update the status but i'm going to call tomorrow to check if they've mailed back my microSD card.
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Got the delivery confirmation earlier today at noon, but the RMA status says they still haven't received it. I Know they usually take a while to update the status but i'm going to call tomorrow to check if they've mailed back my microSD card.
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The people in charge of updating your status can sometimes be pretty lazy. Last time I sent one in, confirmation said it arrived on monday, but their status said they hadn't received it until thursday. In fact, on thursday alone, it changed from not recieved to repairing to being inspected to ready to be shipped.
It's obvious they do everything and then changed the statuses all at once.
I just sent mine into the TX RMA facility and received notiifcation that the cracked screen was due to customer induced damage. I have babied that damn thing since day one and it's always been in a case when not docked in the keyboard. All this to say, if my experience is any indication, it doesn't matter what happened, they will blame it on you and you'll have to pay. Good luck, ASUS customer support is a joke.
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I just sent mine into the TX RMA facility and received notiifcation that the cracked screen was due to customer induced damage. I have babied that damn thing since day one and it's always been in a case when not docked in the keyboard. All this to say, if my experience is any indication, it doesn't matter what happened, they will blame it on you and you'll have to pay. Good luck, ASUS customer support is a joke.
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How did the screen crack?
My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure. I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.
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My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure.
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If this is the case, then it's still customer induced damage.
I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.
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Haha, if they said this, then it's total BS.
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My guess is cracked either closing it while docked to the keyboard or from inserting it into the dock/keyboard. Not sure which. It's never been dropped, abused, or misused that is for sure. I was told by the tech and her manager that the LCD screen never fails because of defects. It's always because of customer induced damage. That was an wesome hour-long conversation.
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That sucks. I had a dell streak 5" and they manufactured it by putting the digitzer on the lcd too tight. So if you'd tap normally in any of the corners it would show on the lcd as if you're pushing really hard on it. Someone on xda posted that dell had acknowledged it's their fault so a bunch of people sent theirs in for repair, but I guess they got flooded with repairs that the customer service was told the LCD was not covered. Had a fun convo with one gentleman who kept assuring me that the LCD was software and not covered by dell's hardware warranty!
In the end I just told them it was white in the corner, although the lcd was clearly damaged, sent it in and they mailed me a new one without charging me .
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If this is the case, then it's still customer induced damage.
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Really? That's like saying if GM designed the tailgate on a pick up with a defect and when you closed it, using normal, proper methods and forces, if it breaks that is customer induced damage.
My point is that unless I'm doing something that is prohibited in the warranty (abuse/misues) then the damage should be covered because it obviously is a result of a defect (manufacturing, design, etc..., take your pick I don't care which). Your logic (and ASUS') suggests that ALL damage that occurs while a customer is using the device is customer induced. So the only way to avoid customer induced damage is to not use your device. Genius.
Really, I was just sharing a data point for the OP to consider since he asked if the group thought ASUS would invoke the magical and all-encompassing "Customer Induced Damage".
So no one has yet to contact me about my microSD card although someone was supposed to. Called Asus up a few moments ago and rep said he'd put the escalation on high priority.
Also the charger on my dad's tf just went out so had to do another rma for that. Why do these companies insist on using proprietary ports?
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Really? That's like saying if GM designed the tailgate on a pick up with a defect and when you closed it, using normal, proper methods and forces, if it breaks that is customer induced damage.
My point is that unless I'm doing something that is prohibited in the warranty (abuse/misues) then the damage should be covered because it obviously is a result of a defect (manufacturing, design, etc..., take your pick I don't care which). Your logic (and ASUS') suggests that ALL damage that occurs while a customer is using the device is customer induced. So the only way to avoid customer induced damage is to not use your device. Genius.
Really, I was just sharing a data point for the OP to consider since he asked if the group thought ASUS would invoke the magical and all-encompassing "Customer Induced Damage".
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I guess in a sense you're right. You gotta understand, though, I've worked with a couple dozen units. Never had a problem with the dock causing any kind of physical damage. I'm just having a hard time visualizing how this was done.
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I guess in a sense you're right. You gotta understand, though, I've worked with a couple dozen units. Never had a problem with the dock causing any kind of physical damage. I'm just having a hard time visualizing how this was done.
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That is exactly my point! It would NEVER happen unless there was something wrong with the device or he dock.
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So no one has yet to contact me about my microSD card although someone was supposed to. Called Asus up a few moments ago and rep said he'd put the escalation on high priority.
Also the charger on my dad's tf just went out so had to do another rma for that. Why do these companies insist on using proprietary ports?
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Good luck. I just received notice that my TF shipped back today. I haven't decided if I'm going to and fix it or burn it in the backyard as I record it on my wife's iPad and upload to my new Facebook page, Asus Customer Service Sucks.
I did include all the original packaging and my wall adapter and power cord. I bet they don't make it back to me. I'd be interested to hear if your sd card makes it back.
I've had a couple folks ask to see a pic of the crack in my screen. Why can't I post directly from my phone?
I just checked the RMA status now and it finally updated from device not received to "Repairing". I guess this is a good sign as I've seen in other threads for those being charged or denied repairs had a different status.
Still no call from them regarding my microSD Said I would get a call 24-48hours from Thursday, I'll give them till afternoon today then I'll call them up and see what they have to say.
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I've had a couple folks ask to see a pic of the crack in my screen. Why can't I post directly from my phone?
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You can using the xda app, Sometimes uploads fail, but you can go into settings and change whether to upload the pic to xda or tapatalk's servers.
Just got my TF back and it's LOADED WITH ICS!!11!1!!!one11!!
ok, it's not... but on the bright side, my microSD card is still in it
As for the repair, the dock now works and I knew I shouldn't have said anything about the light bleed and case creak.
It does appear they put a new LCD and Digitizer, but now rather than having a couple light bleed spots that were only visible in the dark, there is now one really bright spot in the bottom left. I haven't even viewed it in the dark so don't know if there are more.
For the creak, looks like they just put something behind the case where the creak was, but now the rear case is sticking out by a few millimeters. This makes it hard to put the tablet in and out of the dock.
Also they didn't say anything or replace the dented bezel. I think i'm going to take things into my own hands and do what this guy did.
glad you got it back ,,,,, time for me to get an RMA mine will not power on so wish me luck now...
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glad you got it back ,,,,, time for me to get an RMA mine will not power on so wish me luck now...
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that sucks. Is your charger dead? Plug it into your pc overnight and see if that wakes it up.
Power button fell off - per Verizon - "Known issue" affecting ~ 1% of devices
Here's one sure to make everyone happy: per Verizon's technical support when I called in this morning to tell them my SGS3's power button had fallen off: (and I asked "is that common?") "Well, I'm not supposed to say, but it's a known issue. We'll overnight you a new one by 3PM tomorrow." For them to say it's a known issue, per my insider in Verizon Customer support, we're talking at least 1/2 of 1% of them - divvy that up amongst the 10 million+ built during the first 6 weeks while ramping up for delivery to all major North American cell-phone companies, that means they are EXPECTING to see 50,000+ of them back between all of the carriers! Can you say "crappy build quality"? I thought you could. We deserve better than this, and I baby my new toy like it's a piece of gold. It's never seen a floor, much less been dropped 6" on a table.
Give me a break! (no, not literally - sh!t, I was just kidding!)
Those of you with let's say "Otterbox" cases that have some type of captive device for the buttons are likely going to live through it, unless it becomes a real pain-in-the-a$$. However, those of us with the standard holsters should expect them to start falling off of about 1 in 100 units. That just sux! I'm told that they've already made an engineering change that makes the button less easy to dislodge, but - frankly mine just fell off in my hand - or rather popped off when I unlocked the screen this morning. :crying:
I happen to have an i535 (VerizonWireless) Blue with 32GB, but it's universal in the first production run, after talking to my insider source, who works in their Atlanta center technical support as a 2nd level manager. My system info says it's "Hardware version: I535.10" (last line at the very bottom under "about device".)
From what I can tell, other than using a captive button type case, you're just SOL. I dunno 'bout everybody else, but for me this is simply unbelievable - but I spent 6 hours today doing my homework before I posted.
While I'm carping, I've already gotten my 2nd battery replacement from Verizon, also. They say there is a "big lot" of bad ones. I got to the point where I was discharging from 100% to less than 30% in under two hours (twice, now) - without me even unlocking the phone. Curiously enough, the batteries VerizonWireless is shipping as replacements do NOT have the "Samsung" official pink hologram label. Go figure?!? Maybe I'm just fighting a bad one, and the new unit will not exhibit this problem? I sure hope so!
OK, not much to see (I can't find it anymore, or I'd show a pix - other than the side of mine with a hole in it); move along...
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Here's one sure to make everyone happy: per Verizon's technical support when I called in this morning to tell them my SGS3's power button had fallen off: (and I asked "is that common?") "Well, I'm not supposed to say, but it's a known issue. We'll overnight you a new one by 3PM tomorrow." For them to say it's a known issue, per my insider in Verizon Customer support, we're talking at least 1/2 of 1% of them - divvy that up amongst the 10 million+ built during the first 6 weeks while ramping up for delivery to all major North American cell-phone companies, that means they are EXPECTING to see 50,000+ of them back between all of the carriers! Can you say "crappy build quality"? I thought you could. We deserve better than this, and I baby my new toy like it's a piece of gold. It's never seen a floor, much less been dropped 6" on a table.
Give me a break! (no, not literally - sh!t, I was just kidding!)
Those of you with let's say "Otterbox" cases that have some type of captive device for the buttons are likely going to live through it, unless it becomes a real pain-in-the-a$$. However, those of us with the standard holsters should expect them to start falling off of about 1 in 100 units. That just sux! I'm told that they've already made an engineering change that makes the button less easy to dislodge, but - frankly mine just fell off in my hand - or rather popped off when I unlocked the screen this morning. :crying:
I happen to have an i535 (VerizonWireless) Blue with 32GB, but it's universal in the first production run, after talking to my insider source, who works in their Atlanta center technical support as a 2nd level manager. My system info says it's "Hardware version: I535.10" (last line at the very bottom under "about device".)
From what I can tell, other than using a captive button type case, you're just SOL. I dunno 'bout everybody else, but for me this is simply unbelievable - but I spent 6 hours today doing my homework before I posted.
While I'm carping, I've already gotten my 2nd battery replacement from Verizon, also. They say there is a "big lot" of bad ones. I got to the point where I was discharging from 100% to less than 30% in under two hours (twice, now) - without me even unlocking the phone. Curiously enough, the batteries VerizonWireless is shipping as replacements do NOT have the "Samsung" official pink hologram label. Go figure?!? Maybe I'm just fighting a bad one, and the new unit will not exhibit this problem? I sure hope so!
OK, not much to see (I can't find it anymore, or I'd show a pix - other than the side of mine with a hole in it); move along...
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So....I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen far worse production issues from other cell phone companies.
Plus if you think 1% is bad, you shouldn't look at those kind of statistics from other mfg of other products.
Example? Harddrives. Platter hard drives have a fail rate between 21-25% depending on brand. 1% is nothing...
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So....I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen far worse production issues from other cell phone companies.
Plus if you think 1% is bad, you shouldn't look at those kind of statistics from other mfg of other products.
Example? Harddrives. Platter hard drives have a fail rate between 21-25% depending on brand. 1% is nothing...
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And the first production of the xbox 360 had like a 33% fail rate that it would eventually overheat and get the Red Ring of Death.
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And the first production of the xbox 360 had like a 33% fail rate that it would eventually overheat and get the Red Ring of Death.
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It had to be way more than 33%. Those things were dying left and right. Wasn't it at least 50%?
Agreed with the above two posters.
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I'm not trying to sound an alarm, I'm just telling people to expect it, and that it's a known issue. I suppose I did overreact a bit, but then again, I treat my little baby like a golden egg, and if mine just hopped off the side, they aren't made worth a darn. The fix is almost insignificant, involves adding a 1/10th of a cent piece of pliable plastic and tabs on the button to grab hold of from inside the case. If it was your $650 piece of gold ruined by a less than 5 cent engineering problem that should have been caught before the first one shipped, you'd be upset, too - wouldn't you? You should be, and I can assure you that another couple hundred thousand other people are going to be as well. Being 'first' should not = being a beta tester. The darned things should work out of the box before they ship, it's a classic case of rushing them out the door without a sanity check.
I'll live with my paper clip until tomorrow afternoon, and then spend 6 or 8 hours reloading everything on my phone including hours wasting time reconfiguring every single application and password on the phone. It's just a case of greed vs. speed, it's easier to fix that 1% after they fail than it would have been to fix them all before they shipped and not have 1% (or more, I suspect) of people waking up to find their phone basically useless (how can I answer a call if I can't unlock the screen easily?) and they did absolutely nothing except standard daily operations? Sorry, I might be overreacting at first, but it's just a #FAIL that could have been easily avoided - in $650 million worth out of $65 billion dollars sales - give or take. Fortunately Verizon (I don't know about other carriers) is handling it with free overnight shipping, but the idea that I'm likely getting a refurbished phone instead of a new unit just doesn't sit well with me. Sure - it's just as possible at this point I'll get a new unit, but - they say it's a refurbished unit just in case they do ship you one, and no amount of *****ing gets you past the 14-day limit on guaranteed new units, which itself is absurd. YMMV, it always does.
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yeah I had it happen to me the first day I had mine. They sent me a replacement no questions asked. This was within the first couple of days preorders started shipping. It only took them 4 days to get me a replacement though.
Yet again. Using the Xbox as an example. How many red rings could have been avoided by a few dollars difference to make the Xbox more efficient.
Same thing applies to cars what have you.
1% is nothing compared to other manufacturers. Your just mad it happened to you and that you are in that "1%" and I understand that.
Even when it comes to drugs. A 1% "fail" rate isn't much for a test group.
If you had 500 dollars and I told you that investing in xyz company you had a 99% chance of doubling your money and 1% chance of loosing it all, you'll probably invest without much thought. If I told you the same company you would have a 25%+ chance of loosing all your money you are going to think twice.
1% is nothing...
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I'm not trying to sound an alarm, I'm just telling people to expect it, and that it's a known issue. I suppose I did overreact a bit, but then again, I treat my little baby like a golden egg, and if mine just hopped off the side, they aren't made worth a darn. The fix is almost insignificant, involves adding a 1/10th of a cent piece of pliable plastic and tabs on the button to grab hold of from inside the case. If it was your $650 piece of gold ruined by a less than 5 cent engineering problem that should have been caught before the first one shipped, you'd be upset, too - wouldn't you? You should be, and I can assure you that another couple hundred thousand other people are going to be as well. Being 'first' should not = being a beta tester. The darned things should work out of the box before they ship, it's a classic case of rushing them out the door without a sanity check.
I'll live with my paper clip until tomorrow afternoon, and then spend 6 or 8 hours reloading everything on my phone including hours wasting time reconfiguring every single application and password on the phone. It's just a case of greed vs. speed, it's easier to fix that 1% after they fail than it would have been to fix them all before they shipped and not have 1% (or more, I suspect) of people waking up to find their phone basically useless (how can I answer a call if I can't unlock the screen easily?) and they did absolutely nothing except standard daily operations? Sorry, I might be overreacting at first, but it's just a #FAIL that could have been easily avoided - in $650 million worth out of $65 billion dollars sales - give or take. Fortunately Verizon (I don't know about other carriers) is handling it with free overnight shipping, but the idea that I'm likely getting a refurbished phone instead of a new unit just doesn't sit well with me. Sure - it's just as possible at this point I'll get a new unit, but - they say it's a refurbished unit just in case they do ship you one, and no amount of *****ing gets you past the 14-day limit on guaranteed new units, which itself is absurd. YMMV, it always does.
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Why don't you just make a nandroid
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mine fell of on launch day, had to use an old tooth pic to restart until they sent replacement. watch out for using shell cases that snap over buttons they seem to increase chance of losing button
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mine fell of on launch day, had to use an old tooth pic to restart until they sent replacement. watch out for using shell cases that snap over buttons they seem to increase chance of losing button
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Great! I can't imagine how much fun I'm going to have putting it into Odin download mode so I can unroot it and put it back to factory specs. Should be a challenge. I just went into options and set the "use home button as power" (or however it reads) for the day, expecting FedEx "any time now". At least it lets me easily unlock, since "never" for screen timeout isn't an option even if you're plugged in (charging). Fun, fun, fun!
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Fortunately Verizon (I don't know about other carriers) is handling it with free overnight shipping, but the idea that I'm likely getting a refurbished phone instead of a new unit just doesn't sit well with me. Sure - it's just as possible at this point I'll get a new unit, but - they say it's a refurbished unit just in case they do ship you one, and no amount of *****ing gets you past the 14-day limit on guaranteed new units, which itself is absurd. YMMV, it always does.
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I was also upset with this...i had my phone for 3 weeks...screen started having discoloration within it in the bottom left corner...i talked to regular rep, escalation rep, and a sup...didnt get anywhere......i didnt buy a device to have a refurbished one 3 weeks later...i mean you can even buy certain cars and take them back within a month. or any other product on the stores shelf, take it back, you get a new one, not a refurb....(most of the time anyways).....
Mine fell out when I was taking my bumper case off a little too quickly. I was on a support call with Verizon for signal issues and the woman kinda freaked out! I just popped it back into place though, good as new! She wanted to send me a new phone, but forget that. lol.
I have an ATT version but I am having issues as well. My button has not fallen off, but i am having sporadic restarts. It seems if i feather my finger over the power button (not depressing it) it will turn on and off the screen. Even sometimes just around the button would do that. Randomly i get a shutdown menu that pops up on the screen. It is obvious that the power button is flawed in the phone.
Same thing happened to me when i was out with my friends a few weeks back... And yeah, you're blowing this way out of proportion. It just popped back in, hasn't been an issue since.
Yeah 1% is really nothing, but it does suck when it is you. I do believe the power button to not feel as solid as the volume buttons. It just doesnt have that click like the volume rocker does, or it could just be me