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Why is it that the so called MODS in this place would rather lock a thread than to accept the fact they are ****ed in the head! I don't know what the deal is with the MODS here but they need to get their heads out their ass and address the real issues instead of holding a grudge! You are loosing some great people because of your arrogant stupid ass I am god attitude. So I hope to see xda flop on its sorry ass!!!!!!! PEACE OUT!
Agreed.
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Well although I think you could've said that in a more tasteful manner (as to not stoop down to their level) I still agree.
Tator's thread regarding dfgas' recognized developer status (or lack thereof) was a pretty calm thread and, aside from a few comments made by other users (which were minor at worst) it was not in violation of any XDA forum rules. It was more importantly though our little Mesmerize (and Showcase) community coming together collectively to show our support for one of our developers. The overwhelming majority agreed that he did deserve recognized developer status. Closing that thread, in my opinion, was about as close as you can get to downright censorship in an attempt to control our opinions here. We have the right to speak our minds and voice our opinions, as long as its within forum rules. If a few members bend or break a rule, then by all means, a moderator can edit his post, but the entire thread should not be closed, especially when we are voicing our support for one of our developers.
Considering...
"[XDA] is and always will be a site for developers, pure and simple. Without them we are nothing, without them there would be no reason for XDA Developers to exist; we should never ever forget that. Without them this place would not be called XDA-Developers but something else, e.g Mobile Phone User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds. XDA is about developing and is for developers. Any user that recognizes that will gain the most benefit from this site."
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I am still very shocked that a thread was closed when its sole purpose was to show our support for one of our developers and to let him know that we were behind him even after he had been denied recognition that he has absolutely earned.
I also believe part of the frustration and anger a lot of us share is regarding the manner in which the thread was locked. jerdog and I do not see eye to eye, he knows that and I know that, and that is what it is, however I will say in the most respectful way that I think telling, basically our sub-forum as a whole, that this manner was not 'our place' to comment on was disrespectful to all of us and a slap in all our faces. Because it is absolutely our place. A developer with no users and no community behind him/her is no more useful than a lone hammer just sitting idle without someone around to manipulate it. A developer needs his users just as much as the users need their developer. Without users, a developer's work is pointless. So to tell us it is not 'our place' to voice our opinion when we believe our developer has been wronged, completely undermines the developer-user relationship and is a extemely poor attitude to display. Especially to refer to our support of dfgas as "whining and complaining" I thought was completely uncalled for.
holy crap, you made an intelligent post :O
haha I completely agree with you on all counts. these guys need to get their act together, the more they act like they did in that thread the less I want to come to this site for anything.
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The reason for the thread's closing boils down to these few points:
The only person who can petition for someone to be recognized as a developer, is THAT DEVELOPER THEMSELVES. That was stated a few times in that thread as well as the PM sent to the applicant when they aren't selected.
Any attempt to drum up support is counter-productive as it's not your place, and only comes across as whining which is reserved for ages 0-2.
That being said, any further attempts to drum up a mob will fall under the rules of XDA and you will be, at the least, infracted - and most likely given a vacation from the site so as to pursue other hobbies. It's the rules - if you don't like them - there are other places you can frequent - you're not being paid to stay here, nor are we (Mods and Admins) paid to put up with it.
This thread is closed. If you have any issues with that, feel free to PM me or any SM.
Over time I've become known by some as being a hardass for making GPL compliance an issue. I've also taken sever members to task for their ass-backwards opinions concerning GPL. I was just visiting Rootzwiki and came across a thread that addressed the removal of download links for a ROM from a dev many of us know; Ching51o. Why? Because he packs Ziggy's non-compliant kernel in his ROMs. That defies the rules of Rootzwiki AND XDA-Developers.
I want to post the thread here for everyone to read. Adrynalyne, another well known dev around here, makes many good points, as do the moderators. Their positions should be the positions of anyone involved in open source GPL software in any way. The mods at Rootzwiki took what appears to be appropriate and fair action against distributing non-compliant software.
The Rootzwiki thread
I'd also like to ask XDA why their enforcement regarding the posting of non-compliant GPL material differs from Rootzwiki's (as in, XDA doesn't enforce it), even though the policies of both are virtually identical.
No disrespect intended here. Like I said, I've been a hardass about the GPL and I don't plan to stop. The GPL is the reason this forum exists and we ALL need to realize that. We also need mods that will act in it's interest and take some simple measures to respect it.
I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
hallstevenson said:
Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
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Then a mod will move it. Will they not?
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In my experience, no, not unless it's pointed out to them. My post alone, unless a mod happens to read the thread, won't make any difference.
lrs421 said:
I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
Their response, I've seen frequently, is that they can't keep track of everything and count on members for help. Well.... If you've pointed it out and nothing is done, it's all talk on their part.
Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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Why? XDA links are posted on Rootz. Rootz does not require registration to view so....no rule is being broken.
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Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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To paraphrase Mr. Torvalds, "Talk is cheap. Show me the rule." It ain't there.
Xda links on RW is fine.
From Xda's rules
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Xda links on RW is fine.
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The link to a thread at Rootzwiki was for "reference". It's hardly "encouraging members to participate" !!
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Xda links on RW is fine.
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Since the thread I posted is closed, participation is impossible. If you assume that to mean linking to a site that has anything to do with cell phones in a fashion that could be interpreted in some way to be XDA competition, you're wrong. XDA cannot exist in a vacuum and they know it. XDA is interested in the traffic. Besides, I bring XDA more traffic than that link will ever send to Rootzwiki.
Ya know this is starting to be like the howard stern show, why
I wanna see what u guys are going to text next.
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I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
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I've tried the same with no replies. They just sort of "cherry pick" which software should follow the GPL (and remove from xda) and which they will overlook.
XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
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XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
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Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
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I'd like to thank both of you for your replies. I do believe what you say. I've seen how unpopular some of the actions moderators have taken regarding GPL have become, but I do believe the right actions have been taken.
Some of you may disagree with what I've said. That's fine, but don't voice it here in this thread. Talk to these guys directly via PM. The primary purpose of this OP is to share thoughts on the GPL and to foment debate and, hopefully, the changing of a few minds on the issue. Too many members of this community have failed to understand the GPL, how it shapes this community, and what our obligations are regarding it.
Moderators really shouldn't have to police this thing like they do. Many of us are here because we believe the "open source way" is the better way to develop software than any other method. That's why we believe Android is inherently better. It should logically follow that this community would support GPL and Apache compliant work and developemnt, and likewise, shun developers and software that's non-compliant. I'm here to change the minds of those who don't believe that should be the case. If that's you, this is the place for you to say your piece and debate.
it seems people here have forgotten what this term means..
i posted a ROM on XDA that i found from a different site. credit was given to the rightful development team. all i did was spread the word and share..
this is the entire basis of the linux community.
a lot of people here complain about users being too needy, but honestly a lot of the "devs" are too greedy and full of themselves.. team inferno, for example, who has SOME members that act as if they developed and invented android themselves... when all they really do is a few graphic/theme enhancements.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting and sharing open-source work even if its not your own contribution, as long as the right credit is given. read the terms and conditions you more than likely blindly accepted when first using android or installing the SDK..
to the mod that closed my thread: thanks for aiding in the destruction of the community. i didnt think letting XDA know about what else is out there was such a crime. wait, what you guys are doing is more of a crime, which has potential of shutting down the entire virtuous team. but i love their work and im not an asshole so ill let it be
cool story bro
Another useless thread that will be locked. The reason why again, since you can't grasp the concept. YOU did NOT have the permission to post their work. Open source or not. Doesn't flipping matter. If you look at every single thread someone says with permission by blah, blah, blah. Don't get butt hurt that your little thread that you copied and pasted in the dev section got closed. It happens when you don't read the rules.
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People here need to chill out to much hate. But I do agree I don't post much here but I do believe some devs need to get off their high horse. .
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Thanks for what you did and Im sorry about what happened with your thread
Its not about being on a high horse. 8 months ago he would've dreamed of posting such **** on here. Now its full of noobs that don't know how to read rules
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Here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24003344
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Another useless thread that will be locked. The reason why again, since you can't grasp the concept. YOU did NOT have the permission to post their work. Open source or not. Doesn't flipping matter. If you look at every single thread someone says with permission by blah, blah, blah. Don't get butt hurt that your little thread that you copied and pasted in the dev section got closed. It happens when you don't read the rules.
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i couldnt care less for the thread, whether i post it or someone else..
the point is the entire concept of "community" build around linux is useless when people cannot spread the message of different ROMs or distros or whatever it is. you want more users and testers, not restrictions..
what i did was only against your own made up rules. if you wanted to move the info to the general sub-forum, fine.. but to act as if IM in the wrong for spreading the word on a free and open-source product?..
take your credit for your work, but dont be selfish and hold it all to yourself or restrict it from certain groups. whats the reason for not allowing it on XDA? IT DOESNT MATTER, its most likely some dumb **** anyway..
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i couldnt care less for the thread, whether i post it or someone else..
the point is the entire concept of "community" build around linux is useless when people cannot spread the message of different ROMs or distros or whatever it is. you want more users and testers, not restrictions..
what i did was only against your own made up rules. if you wanted to move the info to the general sub-forum, fine.. but to act as if IM in the wrong for spreading the word on a free and open-source product?..
take your credit for your work, but dont be selfish and hold it all to yourself or restrict it from certain groups. whats the reason for not allowing it on XDA? IT DOESNT MATTER, its most likely some dumb **** anyway..
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You got your thread locked and a moderator erased your o.p and put in capital letters. Do not post others peoples work without permission. That's my made up rule? Hmmm? Reporting this thread as we speak.
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You got your thread locked and a moderator erased your o.p and put in capital letters. Do not post others peoples work without permission. That's my made up rule? Hmmm? Reporting this thread as we speak.
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good for you, you must feel really good about yourself
BTW, whether its a rule on XDA or not is not a concern. when youre dealing with FOSS or FLOSS, the federations rules trump any rule that you or a mod or a forum creates..
what if the ICS camera fix was found on another forum, but those members wouldnt let anyone else use it? do you know how much of a negative affect that has on the community? this is against everything linux stands for..
but thanks for being a jerk
.....guys seriously...just shut up. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it! This forum is falling apart. Just post what ROMs you want WITH PERMISSION, then just ignore the trolls. I could care less about that thread. Just my 2 cents..I'm prepared to be flamed anytime for this post.
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Never mind, I don't want to be in this argument.
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.....guys seriously...just shut up. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it! This forum is falling apart. Just post what ROMs you want WITH PERMISSION, then just ignore the trolls. I could care less about that thread. Just my 2 cents..I'm prepared to be flamed anytime for this post.
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i agree with you. and sure, i should have asked permission.. well, not ask but let them know im posting it elsewhere.. it shouldnt be an issue at all..
As some of you may or may not know Hechoen has received a ban from the forums. The ban is his first and is for ten days. The reason for the action was "Disrespectful attitude towards moderator." Some background follows. He was PM'd by a mod to remove his avatar within 48 hours. The mod seemed to think that it could be offensive to some members. His avatar has been around for a long time and was a cartoon of a guy giving the middle finger with the words "Censor this!". As we all know an avatar is an extension of your online personality. To get an idea of whether or not the community found it offensive he posted a question about it in the off-topic thread(that he created). He never named the mod or said anything "disrespectful" towards the mod. Within minutes the post was deleted and he was banned. So I ask any of you that think this action unfair to please respond here. Also feel free to PM a mod(or five) with a link to this thread. If others believe this to be unfair and we unite as a community maybe, just maybe, we'll make a difference.
Sincerely,
Beastmode
To any mods reading this, it would be nice to have a link to the avatar rules for the forums. Thanks.
He has been helping out here as
long as I have been around..always
seems to help where he can..sounds
like they used the avatar thing as an excuse...he has had that avatar as long as I remember... Mods cut him some slack...give him a warning and let it go....
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i might be somewhat a noob but hechoen has been on the sgs4g forums way before i joined and new what roms were he plays an importnd role in xda
Don't worry, the mods have heard our petition and hechoen will be unbanned in approximately 9 more days It's a problem with the forum software, we just can't make it unblock anyone faster than that.
wow really he has never been anything but nice to people ..../failpalm
maybe if i added a little neon effect or something, then it might just be a little appropriate? :banghead:
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It is a good thing he was banned
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No. Hechoen is a good person. A finger is not offensive, it's what you associate the finger with.
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Not that I agree with the ban, but, wasn't he asking to be censored?
I don't know the guy personally but this isn't the first time a mod has abused their powers. Most don't, but then again what can you really do? Hope he's unbanned shortly. And to all the mods not on a power trip, please keep up the fine work we appreciate you.
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androidskillz said:
It is a good thing he was banned
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Why is that??? Please explain the comment.
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Why is that??? Please explain the comment.
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He's a menace to society! The more he helps people the more they'll keep coming back. It burdens all the devs 'cause people keep asking questions since they know they'll receive an answer.
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Bad message....
Influencing others?
Come on...
What's he a role model now...?
That's a stupid statement...
What is the influence..to give people
the finger...grow-up dude !!
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It's the general principal. He got banned for the reason of portraying a bad image/message to others. Duh
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Well, guess what folks?
This thread itself has been reported, and thus cleaned and closed.
XDA is a development forum, off topic discussion is allowed to some extent to afford users to create relationships that strengthen bonds and friendships that will, hopefully, lead towards a stronger development community and thus, possibly better product for the masses.
BUT you need to also understand the following post - some may have read this before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
That being said - this website, and the threads within, are really for development and the developers. Moderators are merely here to make sure that the aforementioned development, along with the published rules, are being abided by.
Regardless of whether moderators do the popular thing or not, we do what we do with sincere interest for the community as a whole. Users who want to challenge the rules and/or criticize what moderators do and try to incite others in this plight are ones who bring little value to this community. Additionally, and you most should be aware, there are plenty of social media websites available to sign petitions and to express your feelings, XDA is not one of them.
And, to refer to the about linked post by zelendel, no one made you come here. You agreed to be respectful in your posts, to be critical of moderators, who are also members, is also not allowed.
For those of you in here who have posted, good to meet you. I expect you all will try to exercise respect, humanity and dignity from here on out - wherever and whenever you post.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
I have been around these forums and have enjoyed the friendly community and the help taken and given. I have been through multiple android phones and this site has helped me to make each of them better.
Lately there has been a lot of interference from moderators. Shutting down active threads for really no apparent reason.. People discussing what ever it is it be and a mod comes in and closes the thread because they JUDGED for themself that they don't like it. Or they try and conclude everything to there liking. I have been visiting xda less and less because of this. I feel like your taking all of the fun out of a great community and being hard asses for whatever reason. Seems like a bunch of out of control cops abusing there powers just because they can.
Right now I'm laughing because some moderator is reading this and is probably going to explode with anger and remove/delete this thread.
:beer: relax.
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The sections I have frequented, I have no issue with the moderators of those sections. I guess to each their own.
I have been a moderator on another forum for over a year and know by personal experience sometimes you have to piss off a few to keep things in order and have the rules enforced. Each infraction has to be treated to similar consequences for equality, but sometimes that is hard to follow when you have a huge forum like XDA where you need a handful of people for a lot of different sections. Keeping the moderators in line as an admin can be a daunting task. If you feel a moderator is abusing his power, best to ask over PM why he did what he did. If he doesn't have reason for his actions, contact an admin of his actions.
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I have been around these forums and have enjoyed the friendly community and the help taken and given. I have been through multiple android phones and this site has helped me to make each of them better.
Lately there has been a lot of interference from moderators. Shutting down active threads for really no apparent reason.. People discussing what ever it is it be and a mod comes in and closes the thread because they JUDGED for themself that they don't like it. Or they try and conclude everything to there liking. I have been visiting xda less and less because of this. I feel like your taking all of the fun out of a great community and being hard asses for whatever reason. Seems like a bunch of out of control cops abusing there powers just because they can.
Right now I'm laughing because some moderator is reading this and is probably going to explode with anger and remove/delete this thread.
:beer: relax.
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I am sorry that you feel like the moderators are being heavy handed. If you have an issue with the way something is being handled you can PM the moderator in question and if you are still not happy you can send a PM to the Moderator Committee. I guarantee you that it will be looked into. Please do not post PMs from people into the open forums, PMs are meant to be private, posting it in public kind of defeats the purpose of them :laugh:.
I promise you that the moderators want the same friendly community atmosphere that you do. Part of that requires some proactive steps to keep things that we know will eventually cause problems from causing those problems. I am sure you will agree that a thread about how the iPhone is better than the Note 3 will quickly degrade into a giant hate fest.
I am going to close this thread, because, I think it will only attract trouble. Please, take advantage of whomever it is you have contacted and feel free to PM me with any issues you have.