Over time I've become known by some as being a hardass for making GPL compliance an issue. I've also taken sever members to task for their ass-backwards opinions concerning GPL. I was just visiting Rootzwiki and came across a thread that addressed the removal of download links for a ROM from a dev many of us know; Ching51o. Why? Because he packs Ziggy's non-compliant kernel in his ROMs. That defies the rules of Rootzwiki AND XDA-Developers.
I want to post the thread here for everyone to read. Adrynalyne, another well known dev around here, makes many good points, as do the moderators. Their positions should be the positions of anyone involved in open source GPL software in any way. The mods at Rootzwiki took what appears to be appropriate and fair action against distributing non-compliant software.
The Rootzwiki thread
I'd also like to ask XDA why their enforcement regarding the posting of non-compliant GPL material differs from Rootzwiki's (as in, XDA doesn't enforce it), even though the policies of both are virtually identical.
No disrespect intended here. Like I said, I've been a hardass about the GPL and I don't plan to stop. The GPL is the reason this forum exists and we ALL need to realize that. We also need mods that will act in it's interest and take some simple measures to respect it.
I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
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Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
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Then a mod will move it. Will they not?
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In my experience, no, not unless it's pointed out to them. My post alone, unless a mod happens to read the thread, won't make any difference.
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I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
Their response, I've seen frequently, is that they can't keep track of everything and count on members for help. Well.... If you've pointed it out and nothing is done, it's all talk on their part.
Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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Why? XDA links are posted on Rootz. Rootz does not require registration to view so....no rule is being broken.
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Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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To paraphrase Mr. Torvalds, "Talk is cheap. Show me the rule." It ain't there.
Xda links on RW is fine.
From Xda's rules
•Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
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Xda links on RW is fine.
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The link to a thread at Rootzwiki was for "reference". It's hardly "encouraging members to participate" !!
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Xda links on RW is fine.
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Since the thread I posted is closed, participation is impossible. If you assume that to mean linking to a site that has anything to do with cell phones in a fashion that could be interpreted in some way to be XDA competition, you're wrong. XDA cannot exist in a vacuum and they know it. XDA is interested in the traffic. Besides, I bring XDA more traffic than that link will ever send to Rootzwiki.
Ya know this is starting to be like the howard stern show, why
I wanna see what u guys are going to text next.
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I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
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I've tried the same with no replies. They just sort of "cherry pick" which software should follow the GPL (and remove from xda) and which they will overlook.
XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
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XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
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Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
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I'd like to thank both of you for your replies. I do believe what you say. I've seen how unpopular some of the actions moderators have taken regarding GPL have become, but I do believe the right actions have been taken.
Some of you may disagree with what I've said. That's fine, but don't voice it here in this thread. Talk to these guys directly via PM. The primary purpose of this OP is to share thoughts on the GPL and to foment debate and, hopefully, the changing of a few minds on the issue. Too many members of this community have failed to understand the GPL, how it shapes this community, and what our obligations are regarding it.
Moderators really shouldn't have to police this thing like they do. Many of us are here because we believe the "open source way" is the better way to develop software than any other method. That's why we believe Android is inherently better. It should logically follow that this community would support GPL and Apache compliant work and developemnt, and likewise, shun developers and software that's non-compliant. I'm here to change the minds of those who don't believe that should be the case. If that's you, this is the place for you to say your piece and debate.
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What's up Techies? What I was wondering - is where the line is drawn? How do you know your are commiting the action or process with what files?
From what I gather it is the illegal distribution Of copyrighted materials. I was reading and it seemed a guy just mentioned a program and he was chastised and boom thread closed. He may have posted a link and I didn't realize - I can't find the thread again, I was just meandering about the forums....
Mr. Clown shut his arse down though... And a couple other tech peeps were like hey bro, no no...
Just Wondering.
-MyPocketWizard-
Wikipedia said:
Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright law. The term generally refers to unauthorized releases by organized groups, as opposed to file sharing between friends or large groups of people with similar interest using a darknet. It usually does not refer to commercial software counterfeiting.
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That sums it up.
Ok. So posting a link to help someone out would be ok, so long as its not copyrighted I guess?
Appreciate it.
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Ok. So posting a link to help someone out would be ok, so long as its not copyrighted I guess?
Appreciate it.
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The way I've always looked at warez was... Is it full version, not beta or trial, and are you paying for it?
In other words, are you downloading something that you'd otherwise have to pay for in order to use?
Links to sources of that kind of material, even though it is not an actual warez item, are just as bad.
Inspired Ace 1.0.1¦ XDA Premium
Warez is obtaining paid software for free or circumventing ways to pay for it. Providing links to sites/materials is just as bad and won't fly here.
We all need to read the Stickies, too. This is discussed in there. I think the post you referred to was asking for Warez, which is taboo here at XDA. The history is that access to, and discussions of, Warez\Pirated software threatened to shut down XDA several years ago. Imagine what life would be like without XDA.
Warez talks (solicitating links, request, posting, discussion or any talk) by any kind in threads or PM's will be shut down
@ Everybody - Rock On and thanks. That's a big ten four. Glad I asked...
-MyPocketWizard-
Hello folks, my name is conantroutman and I'll be your forum moderator this evening...
Some of you may have noticed that Mr. Clown has been promoted to Senior Moderator, I am here to replace him.
I know I've got some big shoes to fill (pun intended). Clown shoes..... get it?....nevermind.. but I will try to keep on top of things and make sure the forums stay as tidy and organised as possible.
If you have any suggestions on how to improve this little section of XDA then just drop me a PM or leave a post in this thread and I'll see what I can do.
Should you encounter any issues that require moderation then don't hesitate to drop me a PM. Serious issues should be reported using the "Report Post" button at the top right of each post, minor issues (misplaced/duplicate threads, spam etc etc..) should just be reported directly to me via PM.
Enjoy...
Oh yeah, heres a little reminder of the forum rules.......
Forum & Marketplace Rules
FORUM RULES
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
2. Member conduct.
2.1 Language: XDA is a worldwide community. As a result what is ‘ok’ to say in your part of the world may not be ok in someone else’s part of the world. Please think about who is reading what you write. Keep in mind that what you think of as acceptable use of language may not be acceptable to others. Conversely, while reading member posts, remember that word you find offensive may not be to the writer. Tolerance is a two way street.
2.2 Nudity: XDA is used by people of all ages, including minors. It's not acceptable to post nude/pornographic imagery, which includes exposure of the male or female genitalia or of female breasts.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and/or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive, therefore none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
2.5 New Members: Treat new members the way you would have liked to have been treated when you were a new member. Provide the new members with guidance, advice and instruction always with respect and courtesy.
2.6 All members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules.
3. Post only using a clear subject and message.
You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
4. Use the English language.
We understand that with all the different nationalities not everyone speaks English well, but please try. If you're really unable to post in English use an online translator, You're free to include your original message in your own language below the English translation.
5. Post a message only once.
As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
7. Do not spam.
If you wish to advertise a product, contact us we provide ads. But do not post it in the forums, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
You are however allowed to sell used goods like your own device, parts of your device or accessories for your device in the marketplace forum, please read the rules there before posting. (This rule includes signatures, if you use a signature it will appear in your post)
8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
11. Don’t post with the intent on selling something.
As an elaboration to rule number 7, don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. If you are the proprietor of a for-pay product or service, you may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or offer support on the product, but you may not make any posts with the primary intent of selling. This includes posting press releases, announcements, or links to downloads for trial software. The only exception to this is when you’re posting an exclusive release to XDA.
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
Welcome!
I hope you're the aggressive type.
Welcome to the Inspire section. It's sad to see Mr. Clown go but new blood isn't a bad thing.
Thanks guys
Like I said, any issues, gimme a shout!
helushune said:
Welcome to the Inspire section. It's sad to see Mr. Clown go but new blood isn't a bad thing.
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Thanks, I'll be around though for supporting conantroutman if he needs me. I'm sure he will do the best to keep the forum running smoothly since he and all the mod team is committed to bring the best quality service and support to this community and site.
I was so glad to be your moderator all of this time, indeed this is one of the most professional, friendly and cooperatve forums I was moderating.
Cheers,
My greetings to the new FSM, Welcome
Welcome also!
Welcome, your going to have fun here
Thanks guys and thanks to Mr Clown....
The forums I've taken over from him are all so clean and tidy I barely need to do anything
conantroutman said:
Thanks guys and thanks to Mr Clown....
The forums I've taken over from him are all so clean and tidy I barely need to do anything
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Lol. Just wait til the five new threads/minute jokers arrive.
conantroutman, i have to ask about your avatar. Are you a Reason user or did you just like the logo?
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conantroutman, i have to ask about your avatar. Are you a Reason user or did you just like the logo?
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A bit of both my good man, I've been a diehard reason fanboy for many moons now
Your the first to comment on that btw....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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A bit of both my good man, I've been a diehard reason fanboy for many moons now
Your the first to comment on that btw....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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I have been a Reason user since about 2002-2003
Welcome from a junior member
Big Shoes to fill... Clown Shoes! That was freaking awesome - had me doubled over. Mr. Clown was awesome, but I swear that Damn pic he had will be etched in my mind for eternity - won't miss that much at all..... *shiver*
Congrats and Rock it Out!
conantroutman welcome to the Inspire section im new to this and all so yeah! hope that you being here will be awesome! never really got to meet Mr. Clown so i dont really know him im new to this and ive only been rooted for a week but im pretty sure Mr. Clown was cool anyways good luck conantroutman!
And now for someone completely different....
Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all
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Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all
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Welcome. If you need anything feel free to shoot me a pm as i am in these forums most of the time.
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Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all
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Just noticed we have a new moderator. I don't make it to the stickies much. Welcome
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Just noticed we have a new moderator. I don't make it to the stickies much. Welcome
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App.
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Thank you - glad to be here!
are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.
Modaco
I think Modaco is a nice site !
Android forums is a good site
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Nothing is better than XDA.
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are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.
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Depends on what you are looking for. The appeal of our site is the fact that it holds a VAST amount of information generated for almost 10 years since the early days of PocketPC2000. You don't need to post or even be part of any community in particular to rip the full benefits that the site has to offer. I see that you have been a member for a very long time and I can somewhat understand where your post is going (the implied message). The commercial aspect of the site revolves around the banners which we try to keep to a minimum but to have enough to pay for our costs, which are rather high.
The sites suggested by other people in this thread are indeed good, but again, each site appeals to a specific audience. XDA presents a wider scope than most sites out there.
I hope this helps.
Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy
ADOPTION Reply
dns.vlad said:
Nothing is better than XDA.
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This is true. I've been to PPCGeeks and MoDaCo, but they kinda fizzled out. In a way, XDA DEVELOPERS has "adopted" their old members.
- 2 Bunny
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Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy
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lol, did crack me up..
The ads are not what influenced my question i use an ad blocker on chrome and can honestly say ive not seen an add on xda thanks to that. What I meant was a forum not attached financially to a store/shop.
XDA is huge and ive been visiting this site for many a moon but I also want to explore other sites and see what else is around as well..
hidden gems and the likes.
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!
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sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!
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Yes. Everything is an issue anymore. Can't even create a device forum easily anymore. It's gotta be "popular enough". Ugh. XDA developers stopped being a Dev site a while ago. It's why I don't Dev here anymore.
If you want answers try finding the right telegram link for your device.
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Edit: necro threads are no less real.
Ok so been searching around the forums and found there seems to be a few devs/rom devs that use this on the second or third post.....
List of Shame (Flagged Users)
These are the list of users who asked questions without properly reading the OP. It's a waste of space and a waste of time to read it. Read OP twice. Think twice. and Think again before posting. If you don't, you'll end up here and will no longer get the support you're looking from me and of course, it will be a big shame for you.
offender Names + offences Ie : op states Wifi does not work User X brings up wifi does not work.
Not sure where credit is actually due but could help to avoid a lot of drama.....
I LOVE this idea! Not sure if it's any kind of infringement on forum rules or not, but could be a great "checks and balance" for n00obs and others to think twice before posting...
Edit: I think we (you) should post a thread in the General Section, so as for all to see! Also, as mentioned below, create a set of "Rules of Redemption" for listees to have a chance to be removed.
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Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Oh this is awesome!!! I like the idea, but you should expand this for everyone, not just yourself to not give support to those list of users on this, list.
there should also be a way off the bad boy list too, not sure how at the moment, but there has to be a way to redeem oneself like maybe a three strikes or something to actually get on the list and then there is no getting off, but the first and second time(s) you get a chance to redeem yourself and can still get off this list maybe..
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Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Think this would be more to make users read and research a little more..... If they end up on the list and ask something down the road if it is relevant we will not shun them atleast me.....
@ Jim yea some type of balance system to keep things in check would be the way to go..... Someone on with 1 post on a list could say get a warning or whatever they end up repeat offenders then take action.....
How about the multiple section tags feature? This will act as keyword for searching. E.g. http://stackoverflow.com like meta tags....fixed tags for each section can only created by reputed members only.
I said so as we have auto suggestion for similar questions is already there.
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Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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Well we could throw around some ideas and see what would be a fair way to work something like this.....
Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.
For each first time offender, a link to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857631[GUIDE] How To Be A New Member, Not A N00B (?) and a "written warning" with the expressed intent to add them to the 'black list' if found in contempt again...
Edit: hankbizzo5, and you might PM prbassplayer and see about getting him on board with this. If others can't read the rules (as listed by YOU) and post an offender in the thread and neglect to send said offender to you via PM, then you can have that post linked to their offense, assuming it's their first and in "written warning" with form.
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I will let this run for a few and gather as much info and oppinions as I can..... then will post up a (Bad boys list).....
Suggestions:
Rules, first and foremost- infractions of offenders to include, but not limited to:
Any member found posting in wrong sections and/or posting a new thread unnecessarily or a re-posting of similar thread(s).
Apparent and blatant failure to search before posting
Posting incorrect or bogus information
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
Posting Warez or other solicitations for gain/profit/personal advantage
Spamming the boards
Not using or posting in English
Posting/bumping one's own threads repeatedly for quicker responses
Using other's work(s) without permission(s)
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
Asking for donations
(Basically, all the "normal" and expected forum rules to adhere to and observe)
Disciplinary Actions:
1st offense = "written warning" with in your (hankbizzo5) OP along with link of infraction and brief description
2nd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 15 days
3rd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 30 days
4th offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list permanently
Rules of Redemption:
1st time offenders = provide 3 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
2nd time offenders = provide 5 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
3rd time offenders = provide 10 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
4th time offenders= you're out of luck
Feel free to tweak/add/omit/etc
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Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.
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And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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leifemagnuson said:
Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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I agree wholeheartedly with a q&a section.
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Wow. I understand the intent behind all this, and if people have the time/energy to track it all, more power to you. I understand the frustration behind this effort, but I think it does more to quell free exchange of information than promote it. However, here's my two comments...
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
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You may need to break this one out more. Flaming and Trolling are usually obvious, but I've seen some posts by all parties devolve into abusive and intolerant responses.
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
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Not sure about this one. Not everyone is clear and concise.
smgulsby said:
And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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The "jury" might be a selection of Senior Members and Developers who could review the infractions. Let's face it, the rules are simple, and those breaking them are easy to spot. No need for "innocent until prove that guilty" with most of these kind of things...
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So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general or if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Well, it's all still sort of being fleshed out at the moment. Not even sure if we'll commit to such a thread, but if so those on the 'permanent' list don't necessarily get completely alienated, but there should be NO REASON for anyone to even get there. It's more a "boilerplate" consequence which should see no members find themselves there. As far as not allowing members to post in certain threads as result of their rule breaking, we don't have that type of authority nor should we want it. It's more like a "stockade", if you will, to keep everyone from fugging up; and if they do its right there for everyone to see. Nobody likes to be humiliated, and I doubt there will be much more than written reprimand actions being given anyhow. I don't know, hankbizzo5 says he's seen this done elsewhere, and chances are its 'quelled' no free exchange of information. Those that ended up on the lists elsewhere obviously said or did something stupid. I wouldn't consider that type of information exchange valued or important. Who knows, still in the bouncing around ideas and thoughts stages...
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Pretty much anyone can still do what they like, and it will still be up to anyone or everyone to do what they want. If you would like to follow the method on putting those on the so called bad boy list on your ignore list, is again up to you to do. These users can still post and do anything they want on xda, it is up to individual users to decide how they really want to take part or not in this. I am thinking for me that anyone who ends up on the permanent list would end up on my ignore list and anyone on the other lists would just be more like a slap on the hand would still get full support unless the really pushed it and ended up on the permanent list, which then again it is up to you to ignore or not.
That is just my take on it.
This seems puerile.
Of course this is all based whether we as users agree to said scenarios. My first paragraph could have been clearer I guess. Over all I like the idea. I think I prefer apex's 4th offence along with the redemption policy.
My thoughts on keeping this from being stickied. I, like I bet most of you don't always check the stickies when on tapatalk. I much prefer the bump system for this type of thing with links in op's and signatures.
Edit: Has anyone seen or read "A boy and his dog"? Who is the committee?
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Really? Really... REALLY?! You guys have very few ppl posting useful links and/or building ROMs because you run off the Devs. You act like you don't read anything except maybe some whiny-ass complaint report and even take forever doing even that. On top of which, near the only person/ppl working on these devices and posting builds to share keeps getting banned due to one of the mod's hiccups. Yes, I'm talking about @Goose03, @amarc78, @Jason M. ..same guy got accidentally locked out of his 1st account (or something) and had to make another account just to even ask a Mod for access help. He gets into trouble for having multiple accounts.. This is about where the bans started.
Now this crap: He asked for his thread closed due to potential conflicts and nothing was done until someone got offended and now his thread closed & labeled as "previously banned". Y'all are a buncha douches for being like that over here and I mean that with the highest sincerity possible. A lot of the device tree fixes and building tweaks were due to his persistence and most the newer ROMs were built using his trees. Cut the guy a break and have respect for his efforts by not banning him over someone having a millennial meltdown. You should cherish these memberships because XDA, in itself is useless without ppl building and sharing.. Shame on you
couldnt agree more
There are two sides to every story. Whatever rules were broken apply to every XDA member regardless of contributions to a device, forum or community.
Davey126 said:
There are two sides to every story. Whatever rules were broken apply to every XDA member regardless of contributions to a device, forum or community.
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This ^^^
Thread/rant closed.