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Beats vs Voodoo Sound?

In general, wouldn't Voodoo Sound tweaks result in better sound quality than the Beats Audio tweaks? ...considering that the Voodoo sound is specific to our hardware...

PharmNerd said:
In general, wouldn't Voodoo Sound tweaks result in better sound quality than the Beats Audio tweaks? ...considering that the Voodoo sound is specific to our hardware...
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Completely different. Read around Page 6 of the Beats thread. "convo" between Dman and Dan.
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I would much rather be able to customize the sound with voodoo control plus the actual changes voodoo makes is way more than just an equalizer overlay. IMO the Beats mod is great if you don't have voodoo. But ****, if you've got Supercurio's awesome work available to you, fkin use it!

Use Both!
Using them Both actualy. And the sound is awesome!!! but one thing i noticed is that after flashing the Beats Mod i have to slide the Dynamic Range slider to 20% and select Sub-Bass to get awesome results. With the Voodoo i get extreme bass and with the beats mod i get clearer sound. Definitively a great combo!!
One thing, if you dont like the sound, its better to have a Nandroid backup because the mod replaces and adds a lot of lib files that is hard to revert(at least for me)

My choice... disable voodoo... beats is better...
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I've been pretty happy using the "Rock" EQ preset in the Galaxy Music Player + Voodoo sub-bass with 100% dynamic range. Sounds nice through my Ultrasone HFI-780 cans.
I'm guessing Beats would give similar results to this in other apps like Pandora. (?)

As discussed in the other thread, they can't really be compared that well, because they do different things. Voodoo tweaks the DAC (hardware) settings for optimal and clean sound output. It also allows you to use the hardware EQ for bass boost, and coupled with something like DSP Manager allows you to tweak the hardware EQ that can adjust sound without compressing, modifying it, or using CPU cycles to do the EQ work.
Beats is a software EQ that does a few tricks to make you think you perceive the music as sounding better. It uses CPU cycles and therefore battery power to apply the EQ, and software EQ will never have the quality that a hardware EQ has.
You very definitely could use both if you wanted to, though any audiophile would (aside from warning you a bout Beats) frown at having your audio modified multiple times before being output, especially through a software EQ, and really any EQ at all.
Now, that said, it really comes down to what sounds best to you. If you don't have a pair of headphones that can even handle high quality music, you probably wouldn't notice the difference that much if at all. Perhaps you don't care about pure clean sound quality and think Beats sounds better to you. Try them both out and see what sounds best to you. There's no better or worse when it comes down to opinion, but you will get cleaner sound with Voodoo and no Beats.

tried beats hated it got voodoo it kicks ass it gave me atleast twice the volume pair that with player pro with the dsp add on with a 10 band eq and ul rock

Voodoo it you won't be sorry.
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Has anyone actually scientifically tested this particular MOD and verified it isn't simply placebo?
I am personally more inclined to trust Supercurio's opinion and take on this.
Interesting stuff..

dman3285 said:
My choice... disable voodoo... beats is better...
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My ROM has beats in it and I agree
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PharmNerd said:
In general, wouldn't Voodoo Sound tweaks result in better sound quality than the Beats Audio tweaks? ...considering that the Voodoo sound is specific to our hardware...
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they are two completely different things. no reason not to run both.
voodoo is the driver for the headphone amp. and can increase recording and playback bitrates and allows you to set recording sensitivity and gives access to the analog volume setting so you havw more than 15 volume steps on the headphones.
beats is some libs that enhance the sound. it's either an equalizer or reverb type room emulation or something, I haven't tried it yet. it isn't nessesarily bad that its designed for another phone but id rather use it with cm7 if it works since Samsung has some of their own filtering and it would be best to not pervert the sound too many times...

Everything I've heard indicates that Beats on Samsung devices is nothing but placebo effect. Even if working, at best it's a ****ty audio EQ preset - just use another player that has an audio equalizer and tune it to your liking.
Voodoo Sound actually has driver optimizations to the DAC to improve jitter and SNR, among other things.
I basically avoid any firmware that has Beatsoff Audio included like the plague. It is a sign that the firmware developer is throwing random **** in that hasn't been tested.

Entropy512 said:
Everything I've heard indicates that Beats on Samsung devices is nothing but placebo effect. Even if working, at best it's a ****ty audio EQ preset - just use another player that has an audio equalizer and tune it to your liking.
Voodoo Sound actually has driver optimizations to the DAC to improve jitter and SNR, among other things.
I basically avoid any firmware that has Beatsoff Audio included like the plague. It is a sign that the firmware developer is throwing random **** in that hasn't been tested.
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Beatsoff (lulz) is hardly anything more than a marketing gimmick.
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don't forget voodoo also has compression profiles for video recording . Let's you record in loud environment with out that horrible distortion.
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I prefer voodoo because when I flash beats on my infuse, I can't hear the difference clearly. Voodoo is much better for me because I'm a basshead ^^
however when I flash beats on my friend's xperia x10, the sound is better (not as much as voodoo)

I'm biased on this topic as my ROM has Beats integrated into it and I've never used Voodoo sound.
But I say, to each their own Everyone will always have a difference in opinion and let's all just be thankful we actually have options instead of just one product to use!
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Just installed beats... and even with plugged up ears (im sick) the sound was great! I usually think like entropy, do not flash unless intended for device. But, I was suprised how well this worked. Thanks.

Better Audio?

I know that this topic has been discussed before. I have tried the voodoo app and i have bought it. It just seems to make the sound even worse. I believe the culprit is dsp manager. So here Is what happens, I usually keep my volume 2-3 notches below the highest volume. I am using the acoustic preset on dsp manager with the bass slightly higher. If I go 2-3 notches above my normal volume, the sound gets really crackely and choppy. I tried the same song, but with the same preset but with even more bass on my sansa and it sounded crystal clear and really powerful even at higher volumes. Can someone suggest a fix. I am running HFP 2.1 and Faux's kernel.
Edit: I am also running beats audio from like march. And I'm using the google play music app
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Try to freeze Dsp and install either EQ or Volume+, then give it a shot. As far as I'm concerned G2X doesn't have the necessary libraries for beat audio to work.
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Alright ill give that a try
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DupleX01 said:
Try to freeze Dsp and install either EQ or Volume+, then give it a shot. As far as I'm concerned G2X doesn't have the necessary libraries for beat audio to work.
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Beats doesn't work and when you place the files where they go it breaks poweramp and dsp
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The first thing you need to do is remove the beats audio as it does nothing for the sound. Voodoo sound is much better as long as you have a kernel that has it built in. PowerAMP is one of the best equaliser apps out there for android but the overall sound quality coming from the G2x is not that good and will never be that good without better hardware.

The first thing you need to do is remove the beats audio as it does nothing for the sound. Voodoo sound is much better as long as you have a kernel that has it built in. PowerAMP is one of the best equaliser apps out there for android but the overall sound quality coming from the G2x is not that good and will never be that good without better hardware.
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I agree to disagree. Yes, get rid of beats. It didnt anything when I used it. Ditch google music its crap (intended for those of us who enjoy music? I think not.) I use PlayerPro (paid) with treble/bass booster preset with the bass knob almost all the way up. No matter how loud I make it, it kicks ass.
I'm also running RG2x MIUI with Faux kernel. Cleanest, smoothest, and all around best MIUI. Sorry Stormageddon. I used yours and my phone kept freezing. Not your fault, I know this. My phone just doesnt seem to like your roms. Or MIUI.us or Singh-MIUI's either for that matter. RG2x is the only one I can get to run with FC'ing a FC.

I use Winamp pro in conjunction with DSP manager and get GREAT sound (especially from FLAC ) I disable the EQ in DSP manager, Compression - Slight, Bass Boost - Slight, and depending on what I am listening to I will adjust Virtual Room. Everything else in DSP manager OFF. Then, in Winamp I use the Awesome 10 band EQ to adjust the sound to my liking.

I've been using winamp lately, but it still cannot drive my headphones as well as my sansa. Probably just the ****ty audio hardware from LG.
Also how do I get rid of beats audio?
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zoppp said:
I've been using winamp lately, but it still cannot drive my headphones as well as my sansa. Probably just the ****ty audio hardware from LG.
Also how do I get rid of beats audio?
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I know not of this ****ty audio you speak of. I consider myself an audiophile (500 gigs of FLAC and counting, high end Polk Audio home theater sound) and honestly, I am quite impressed with the audio quality from my phone. I am guessing that something is not quite right with your setup, or maybe the quality of what you are listening to on your phone isn't up to par.
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TorrentzRock said:
I know not of this ****ty audio you speak of. I consider myself an audiophile (500 gigs of FLAC and counting, high end Polk Audio home theater sound) and honestly, I am quite impressed with the audio quality from my phone. I am guessing that something is not quite right with your setup, or maybe the quality of what you are listening to on your phone isn't up to par.
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I don't know but my SanDisk Sansa is able to put out alot more power. The bass is alot more powerful on it too.
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Winamp for android is **** anyway. What u need is poweramp with a custom equal so it puts ur headphones to the limit before making it sound like ****. That and Volume++. I promise you will see a difference
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Try n7player....pretty good. You have to pay but I think u have a 7 day trial first, then u have to buy afterwards.
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zoppp said:
I don't know but my SanDisk Sansa is able to put out alot more power. The bass is alot more powerful on it too.
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if you are on HFP 2.1 and Faux's kernel did you try the "DSP Manager' settings?

TorrentzRock said:
I know not of this ****ty audio you speak of. I consider myself an audiophile (500 gigs of FLAC and counting, high end Polk Audio home theater sound) and honestly, I am quite impressed with the audio quality from my phone. I am guessing that something is not quite right with your setup, or maybe the quality of what you are listening to on your phone isn't up to par.
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The actual hardware that is in the LG G2x is the same Wolfson DAC that is in the iPod touches and the iPhones. That DAC is really not that good especially for an audiophile. I never use my phone for music, and yes I only listen to FLAC or better and have a complete Sennheiser setup. I have tried making the audio better with an amp but even that just made the quality barely noticeably better. The quality is not that good and will never be that good.

stormageddon said:
The actual hardware that is in the LG G2x is the same Wolfson DAC that is in the iPod touches and the iPhones. That DAC is really not that good especially for an audiophile. I never use my phone for music, and yes I only listen to FLAC or better and have a complete Sennheiser setup. I have tried making the audio better with an amp but even that just made the quality barely noticeably better. The quality is not that good and will never be that good.
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Realistically can you expect more than what it is from a phone for this price?
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Kind of sad that my $50 SanDisk Sansa performs better than this expensive phone.
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A2DP ftw
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zoppp said:
Kind of sad that my $50 SanDisk Sansa performs better than this expensive phone.
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With voodoo sound and poweramp there's no way.. with that combo it sounds better than My iPod touch
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Yes way. My sansa can send bass that is skullcrushing (Sony xb-500 headphones). My phone can barely drive my headphones. If I set it to the loudest setting the sound is no where close even with poweramp.
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New Voodoo Sound Codec?

Hi all,
I am just wondering if anyone has heard of an update by supercurio for a newer voodoo sound codec for the g2x. The development on github shows nothing has been done on it in nearly a year.
I really like high quality music and a higher version is the only piece missing from my puzzle.
Any news at all would be great for better or worse. Have a great day everyone!
-Tozak
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The g2x doesn't truly support voodoo, so he most likely discontinued work for it.
All voodoo can do on the g2x is amplify the audio.

I flashed the beats audio apk and used voodoo to turn up the amp.
Sounds great and I can get the loudness I wanted.
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I wish there would be sound improvements with all this stuff but I see little to no difference! My real question is how loud do you guys need the music to be lol, if I turn it all the way up on my crappy ear buds I eventually have to turn it down cause its too loud, and my right ear is 60ish % cause of gun fire and fire works and stuff haha.
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Just in my truck. I have a tape player with an adapter to use the stock stereo. The amp boost allows me to drowned out try he tape player sounds. Haha
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Thanks for the feed back everyone! Looks like its v1 for life lol.
FYI I run voodoo sound (as I hear it improve sound quality), with Neutron mp3 player no settings on (improves sampling to 32 bit instead of 16 bit like other players), along with equalizer app with basic EQ setting to get bass n treble poppin and just the reverb set to large hall.
320 kbps mp3's sound out of this world on my Sennhieser 598.
That is what I found works for me. These days I am finding less is more for sound quality and no longer use beats audio or my fiio e5.
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[Q][REQUEST] Stock Kernel with Voodoo Sound, nothing else

How hard would it be to compile a kernel that is identical to the stock kernel with one exception, that it also includes Voodoo sound.
I'll be honest, I feel like the stock kernel is the best available at this point in time for the Charge. The only thing I want is Voodoo Sound. I don't care to OC/UV, change governors, convert to ext4, etc.
Can anyone do it? I'd be willing to donate a small amount and I'm pretty sure that others would as well. Anyone else willing to chip in to get this?

Can't you just load a kernel module with Voodoo Plus?
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Mostly, but bass boost doesn't work with the module.
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Mostly, but bass boost doesn't work with the module.
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I found that the bass boost option just warps my music anyway.
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I found that the bass boost option just warps my music anyway.
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Really? I think Bass Boost sounds pretty good.
As far as loading the kernel modules, wouldn't it still be better to just have that built.
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kvswim said:
I found that the bass boost option just warps my music anyway.
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KarateExplosion6 said:
Really? I think Bass Boost sounds pretty good.
As far as loading the kernel modules, wouldn't it still be better to just have that built.
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I think it depends quite a bit on the headphones used. Used moderately on my current headphones, I think it sounds pretty nice. I agree that overused, it would overpower the highs and mids and get too muddy. I can also see that it would probably overpower some headphones at any level, whether due to the power handling or frequency curve.
Also, it's a certainly personal preference.

shrike1978 said:
I think it depends quite a bit on the headphones used. Used moderately on my current headphones, I think it sounds pretty nice. I agree that overused, it would overpower the highs and mids and get too muddy. I can also see that it would probably overpower some headphones at any level, whether due to the power handling or frequency curve.
Also, it's a certainly personal preference.
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I have the Bose over ear headphones. They sound nice with Voodoo Sound but not bass boost...However I have an aftermarket system in my car (Kenwood head unit, Audiobahn amp, Pioneer 12" sub, but stock speakers) and with Bass Boost it just makes my sub go crazy. Awesome if you want to impress some girls/annoy some old people but terrible if you actually want to listen to music.
What settings are you guys running?
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The Official Sound Quality Thread

I've got a pair of Westone 3's on the way, and I want to find a way to maximize the sound quality this phone can produce. There's several things wish discussing here:
1) Best audio player? I've heard Neutron and GoneMad are best for sound quality, but many prefer PowerAmp for the UI.
2) Are there any audio kernels for our device? I know Siyah and Voodoo and Faux had some legendary audio kernels tweaked for best performance - are there any for our phone?
3) Best EQ app? I've heard Viper4android and Noozoxide are great. Only tried the former - I need to test it more but so far I like it.
4) USB -> external device - > headphones? Any thoughts on that setup? Any experience with amp/DAC combo?
Audiophiles needed!
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Using Google play music + Apple earpods
sounds good so far with the Wolfson DAC chip inside
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Using Google play music + Apple earpods
sounds good so far with the Wolfson DAC chip inside
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the U.S. variant does not have the Wolfson chip and instead uses Qualcomm’s own audio chip with the Snapdragon S4.
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the U.S. variant does not have the Wolfson chip and instead uses Qualcomm’s own audio chip with the Snapdragon S4.
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I'm pretty sure that all Qualcomm Snapdragon devices use Qualcomm's audio chip and it seems like the Samsung devices with Exynos processors get Wolfson audio chip.
On topic, I prefer using PowerAmp because it's a fairly great app and offers a lot of options (like EQ switches) for semi-audiophiles such as myself. I'm still using presets but may venture out and adjust EQs. I do have the PowerAmp ICS/JB skin installed to make it a little more streamlined.
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I use player pro as it has a decent amount of options, yet doesn't flood you with them. Also sound quality is pretty good too.... A lot better in my opinion than my 4th Gen iPad touch
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the U.S. variant does not have the Wolfson chip and instead uses Qualcomm’s own audio chip with the Snapdragon S4.
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I also use power amp. The presets are decent, but the tweaking, for a phone, is very good.
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I'm pretty sure that all Qualcomm Snapdragon devices use Qualcomm's audio chip and it seems like the Samsung devices with Exynos processors get Wolfson audio chip.
On topic, I prefer using PowerAmp because it's a fairly great app and offers a lot of options (like EQ switches) for semi-audiophiles such as myself. I'm still using presets but may venture out and adjust EQs. I do have the PowerAmp ICS/JB skin installed to make it a little more streamlined.
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I just wonder if an EQ is enough. If our DAC is of inferior quality, than an EQ can only do so much I'd think. Are you using high quality headphones?
I'm just curious - I don't want to limit the ability of my new set too much. I hope not to have to buy an external DAC but I've considered it to do an A/B comparison.
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I use Apollo for the player and AC!D for my sound mod. Im on 4.4 though, not sure what ur running.

PsiPhiDan said:
I just wonder if an EQ is enough. If our DAC is of inferior quality, than an EQ can only do so much I'd think. Are you using high quality headphones?
I'm just curious - I don't want to limit the ability of my new set too much. I hope not to have to buy an external DAC but I've considered it to do an A/B comparison.
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I'm still learning about how things work. Idk how drastic of a change we get but it can't hurt if you have a solid pair of headphones or earbuds. I'm rocking Klipsch S4A, not the best cuz they sound hollo or full of sound and I also have SkullCandy IEMs as well. I'm on a limited budget cuz I'm finishing grad school so money goes towards needs more than wants. Just curious, did you start this thread after checking out the one in the i9300 section? I like having this here so long as we can get good discussion in here. I stopped reading that thread once I realized we didn't have a Wolfson DAC in US variant S3 haha
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I use Apollo for the player and AC!D for my sound mod. Im on 4.4 though, not sure what ur running.
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Yea there's a lot of good music players out there. I've noticed a few more popup just in the time I've had my S3 over a year ago.

I've tried them all, with all types of sound mods.. NOTHING, I MEAN NOTHING compares to DFX Player Pro. Hands down the best sounding music player for android. It just doesn't have the best UI but def usable.

Another vote for poweramp. I've tried easily over 10 apps, and finally ended up getting the pro version. It couples great audio, usability, and customization.
When I was on TW, the best audio kernel I thought was faux. Had, by far, the least amount of popping whenever trying to undervolt. Also, his app has a lot of good tweaks.
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kude87 said:
Another vote for poweramp. I've tried easily over 10 apps, and finally ended up getting the pro version. It couples great audio, usability, and customization.
When I was on TW, the best audio kernel I thought was faux. Had, by far, the least amount of popping whenever trying to undervolt. Also, his app has a lot of good tweaks.
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I always thought the presence of audio popping depended on the type of processor you have (fast, nominal, or slow) which dictates how far you can UV. For some odd reason though, this doesn't apply to me on AOSP but it does on TW. For instance, I have a nominal cpu and can't UV below 1100 mv on TW regardless of kernel without hearing audio popping in music and ringtones. However, on AOSP, I use BMS which comes default UV and it works seamlessly with no audio popping.

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I always thought the presence of audio popping depended on the type of processor you have (fast, nominal, or slow) which dictates how far you can UV. For some odd reason though, this doesn't apply to me on AOSP but it does on TW. For instance, I have a nominal cpu and can't UV below 1100 mv on TW regardless of kernel without hearing audio popping in music and ringtones. However, on AOSP, I use BMS which comes default UV and it works seamlessly with no audio popping.
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I thought the same. The weird thing is, I have a fast processor and I would still get popping on most kernels (on TW) going under 925. Of course, it depended if I put my minimum cpu speed to under 384. Faux comes undervolted at 850 at 384 mhz and I never had any popping. I'm on 4.4 with BMS now, min cpu to 189 and no popping either.
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omair2005 said:
I've tried them all, with all types of sound mods.. NOTHING, I MEAN NOTHING compares to DFX Player Pro. Hands down the best sounding music player for android. It just doesn't have the best UI but def usable.
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Have you compared to Neutron? Most audiophiles (particularly in Head-fi.org) seem to swear that it has
best SQ on Android. I'll check this one out though! Neutron suffers from the same problem though - nasty UI.
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I'm still learning about how things work. Idk how drastic of a change we get but it can't hurt if you have a solid pair of headphones or earbuds. I'm rocking Klipsch S4A, not the best cuz they sound hollo or full of sound and I also have SkullCandy IEMs as well. I'm on a limited budget cuz I'm finishing grad school so money goes towards needs more than wants. Just curious, did you start this thread after checking out the one in the i9300 section? I like having this here so long as we can get good discussion in here. I stopped reading that thread once I realized we didn't have a Wolfson DAC in US variant S3 haha
Yes I did! And yes, I figured that thread is useless to me since I have an inferior DAC. I wonder why Samsung did that to us...
Yea there's a lot of good music players out there. I've noticed a few more popup just in the time I've had my S3 over a year ago.
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Have you compared to Neutron? Most audiophiles (particularly in Head-fi.org) seem to swear that it has
best SQ on Android. I'll check this one out though! Neutron suffers from the same problem though - nasty UI.
Yes I did! And yes, I figured that thread is useless to me since I have an inferior DAC. I wonder why Samsung did that to us...
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Man, the lead up to this phone's release was interesting cuz I thought we'd be able to use Voodo Sound since people were saying it was all the rage on the OG Galaxy S. I was so letdown lol. I'd rather have a Qualcomm processor than a Exynos processor so that difference in DAC plays a lesser factor for me.
Edit: Not saying I dislike the audio quality in our S3 but hearing there's a better component makes me want the better component.

So you personally have no qualms about our DAC? Things sound the way they should through your headphones?
I'm anxious to hear if there's a big difference between the phone and my Denon receiver for my home theater. I'm gonna plug the headphones into both and see how big a difference it is.
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PsiPhiDan said:
So you personally have no qualms about our DAC? Things sound the way they should through your headphones?
I'm anxious to hear if there's a big difference between the phone and my Denon receiver for my home theater. I'm gonna plug the headphones into both and see how big a difference it is.
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Nah its fine to me but I have to reiterate that I've only used two IEMs, Klipsch S4 (not the S4A, I mistyped earlier) and SkullCandy. I also only have an S3 and my 4th gen iPod touch but I prefer the S3 with the same headphones. My opinion would likely change if I had other IEMs (need to use a wider variety than just 2), I'm not a fan of over the ear headphones too.

Oh okay. I've never owned real nice headphones. I'm getting the Westone 3s as a gift for Christmas. They're 3-driver headphones! They are about $350 for a long time, and since they're making a new model, they're slashing prices. Amazon has them for $179 right now, and these are headphones that were often said to be the best money can buy for under $500 (and can reproduce sounds as well as some high end over the ear cans!). If you've got the money, it's an amazing steal that won't be around long.
I understand the tight budget - I'm in grad school as well. Getting an MS in Mathematics. What are you studying?
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PsiPhiDan said:
Oh okay. I've never owned real nice headphones. I'm getting the Westone 3s as a gift for Christmas. They're 3-driver headphones! They are about $350 for a long time, and since they're making a new model, they're slashing prices. Amazon has them for $179 right now, and these are headphones that were often said to be the best money can buy for under $500 (and can reproduce sounds as well as some high end over the ear cans!). If you've got the money, it's an amazing steal that won't be around long.
I understand the tight budget - I'm in grad school as well. Getting an MS in Mathematics. What are you studying?
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That does look like a nice deal, definitely post back with your thoughts on them! I just want to know enough information to be able to adjust EQs if I dislike its current state in my music. Just want to recognize what XYZ does as I tune it. I'm not fond of purchasing $200+ buds cuz I don't fully feel I would listen to them enough to warrant the price but I probably do since I listen to music about 1-2 hours a day. I stopped reading that sound quality thread well before I purchased the Klipsch IEM as I started to care more about sound quality over the last six to eight months. They were my first IEM that I've ever purchased over $20 lol
I'm getting an MS in Sport Management. Good luck on your degree, it'll be worth the work!

Damn i thought we has the Wolfson DAC
qualcomm's DAC isn't all that bad though.
My iPhone 4 still sounds better though (stock)
Wolfson DAC FTW!