Hello,
Can anyone please explain the situation.
There are only 345 MB of total ram available.
Is this same for you all Nexus S owners too? Shouldn't it be 512 MB?
I'm using CM7 Nightly #18.
I noticed this before, but I didn't care about it. However an explanation could be better.
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I think the additional ram is fornthe OS. The 345 is what is available for apps.
the others 177 mb are for the gpu
reserved for gpu
The other RAM is used for the system, graphics, the drivers to run, the launcher, etc.
Hm ok. Thank you all.
Hmm. So why i have 400+ ram on galaxy tab?
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panpreza said:
Hmm. So why i have 400+ ram on galaxy tab?
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Nexus S != Galaxy Tab
I know it ofc that my question why galaxy tab has more free ram compare 2 ns and galaxy s
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panpreza said:
I know it ofc that my question why galaxy tab has more free ram compare 2 ns and galaxy s
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...because the Galaxy Tab has different specs and its not a phone?
Hmm. Tab is also phone. Same specs as Galaxy s
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panpreza said:
Hmm. Tab is also phone. Same specs as Galaxy s
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Pardon? The Galaxy Tab is indeed not a phone and is running a different Android version, OS skin, hell everything from the Nexus S.
Nexus S Specs
1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 processor, PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Hummingbird chipset
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ARM Cortex A8 processor, 1 GHz processor; PowerVR SGX540 graphics
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Now, I'm not up and up enough on the technical names for processors etc. to say that those aren't the same but to my eyes there is clearly a difference. Not to mention the lack of a cell radio in the Galaxy Tab rendering it not a phone.
Different hardware has different requirements for memory.
I mean i can use Tab as phone also not that Tab is only big phone
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panpreza said:
I mean i can use Tab as phone also not that Tab is only big phone
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People who don't root in the U.S. can't use it as a "phone."
A tablet is a tablet, even if it can make and receive calls, its not a phone.
In this case, I might as well call my computer a "phone" because I can make calls via Google Mail Voice.
zephiK said:
In this case, I might as well call my computer a "phone" because I can make calls via Google Mail Voice.
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Have you looked into a case with belt clip for it?
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panpreza said:
Hmm. So why i have 400+ ram on galaxy tab?
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There could be a range of different factors that can make that happen.
1. The amount of gpu reserved memory is set as a boot kernel parameter. So the galaxy could have less memory reserved for the gpu.
2. The galaxy could have dedicated gpu ram, instead of shared from the main memory. That's the best guess, since it's a bigger device with more room for hardware components.
3. Could also have less reserved memory at boot and the drivers/libs could use some of the user space memory.
The list go on.
zephiK said:
People who don't root in the U.S. can't use it as a "phone."
A tablet is a tablet, even if it can make and receive calls, its not a phone.
In this case, I might as well call my computer a "phone" because I can make calls via Google Mail Voice.
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It has a GSM capability where you can receive "real" calls and texts... a computer makes calls with an app via internet, not GSM.
mbolinao said:
It has a GSM capability where you can receive "real" calls and texts... a computer makes calls with an app via internet, not GSM.
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I don't get your point on how this is relevant as well as bumping sold thread going out of topic.
a tablet isn't a phone. That's the end of the story, it can make calls using voip or whatever tricks but a tablet isnt a phone.
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I don't get your point on how this is RELEVANT as well as bumping sold thread going out of topic.
a tablet isn't a phone. That's the end of the STORY
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WE don't get your point too mister-wanna-be-techwiz: posting 'tablet vs phone' in a thread asking about 'RAM'?? you started this so-called "irrelevant story" LOL.
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WE don't get your point too mister-wanna-be-techwiz: posting 'tablet vs phone' in a thread asking about 'RAM'?? you started this so-called "irrelevant story" LOL.
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Actually, no, he didn't. He is in fact not the OP of this thread. A tablet is a tablet, not a phone. If it were a phone, they'd have called it a phone. 'A rose by any other name..' Call it a phone, it's still a tablet. This thread is about RAM and there not being 512mb as per usual. I've learned my lesson about throwing out unnecessary insults, perhaps you would do well to learn the same?
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Related
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_infuse_4g_goes_to_canada_with_gingerbread_flavor-news-2766.php
GSMArena is saying that the Infuse will be able to do 1080p capture solely based on the Canadian site listing "full HD" as a spec. Would be great, but I'm s(k/c)eptical, and full HD could mean almost anything...
They are also labeling it a Galaxy S device, where i have never seen that labeling for the phone anywhere else...
my bologna has a first name, its G-S-M-a-r-e-n-a....
maybe it is a Galaxy S device outside of the states, as the original Galaxy S II will be launching with AT&T...
Transformer27 said:
maybe it is a Galaxy S device outside of the states, as the original Galaxy S II will be launching with AT&T...
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I still dont understand all this Galaxy s bologna... i get emails from samsung after registering my device, about how cool my galaxy s device is... and what i can do with my galaxy s phone... but i dont see where its a galaxy s anywere, advertised...
haha me too! that why i was super enraged!
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haha me too! that why i was super enraged!
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Maybe ill email them...
i tweeted @Galaxy S Support, since they answer all my questions about my Infuse. see the connections.
Look at the best buy ad for this Sunday. It says that the infuse does 1080p recording. HAHA!
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it is online isnt it???
EDIT: nope its not. they have it right on their web page though
well the original add in january said "1080P video" or something, the tab can record in 1080p so there was no reason to think the infuse wouldnt at the time. samsung didnt release official specs but phone arena is lame for not updateing with the actually specs. those sites are often speculating but should correct themselves. i recently saw the sgs2 specs on that site list the processor as "Dual-core XMM6260, 1200 MHz" that's funny because it might come with an exenos orion processor or a tegra 2 depending on the market. the number phone areana litsted is an intel made radio for hspa+! how did they get that as a processor?
the camera sensor is the exact same as the one in the galaxy s2. i believe they just disabled the 1080p option in the camera settings. they probably had a framerate issue with this having a slower processor. maybe itll be added back with the gingerbread update or we might be able to pull the camera software from the s2 and slap it on ours.
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the camera sensor is the exact same as the one in the galaxy s2. i believe they just disabled the 1080p option in the camera settings. they probably had a framerate issue with this having a slower processor. maybe itll be added back with the gingerbread update or we might be able to pull the camera software from the s2 and slap it on ours.
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i believe the tab can do 1080p recording, same processor, same ram, more screen resolution to hog cpu power supporting the view finder and less cpu frequency, im pretty sure the infuse has the potential. also the sensor has less to do with it than you think. for instance 1080P resolution is only about 2.1mp. they probably just dont feal like the infuse needs 1080p recrding, if people knew it could do it then why would they buy a dual core phone? the actual functionality difference between a hummingbird and a tegra is minimal actually there are many things the hummingbird does better! and with less ram at that! if the infuse gave you everything then why buy a sgs2?
what tab are you talking about? both the samsung galaxy tab original and 10.1 come with 3mp. the original could only record at 480p and the 10.1 at 720p. the original came with a 1ghz hummingbird and the 10.1 comes with a tegra 2.
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what tab are you talking about? both the samsung galaxy tab original and 10.1 come with 3mp. the original could only record at 480p and the 10.1 at 720p. the original came with a 1ghz hummingbird and the 10.1 comes with a tegra 2.
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ok maybe I'm wrong. I thout I saw an discussion that,said the 7 in tab could do 1080p recording a long time ago, people wondered if we could get that on the captivate. could be more phone areana mis information.
And i demand obama recieves another dumbbell prize
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I'm not sure if that was racist or what, but I still don't get it anyways.
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i dont get it either. i was wrong, i made an ass of myself, but i dont know what that has to do with obama..
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Not raceist,violent,just not silent..and b.t.w.i have black skin..hope i didnt offend your crackerass..ENJOY YOUR POLICE STATE....info wars.com dont let the popo catch you filming them
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Lol...wtf?
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Let me introduce to you: the GooApple
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It's a functioning Android phone that has exactly the same dimensions as the iPhone 4. Next to that they cloned almost the entire interface.
Can somebody order one and dump the /system
I wan't that launcher to make fun of apple fanboys!
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Here is the pre-order link:
http://android-sale.com/gooapple-3g...gsm-3-5-inch-multi-touch-screen-wifi-gps.html
Yes I would like to check this out as well...looks so smooth!!
Does anyone know if this is a ROM we can download?
BackfireNL said:
Can somebody order one and dump the /system
I wan't that launcher to make fun of apple fanboys!
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+1
amazing launcher, really beautiful
I want one of this.
I want one of this.. Where it is available?
This phone makes my LG GW620 running CM7 look like crap, if this is less than $150, I might consider it.
Edit: It even has a capacitive screen with multitouch, my phone does not.
Edit: Found the link to preorder it :I have too less posts to post the link -_-
The battery life doesn't seem good...
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Quick Overview
Android 2.2 OS, iPhone iOS style UI
3.5 inch multi-touch screen
Unlocked, support 3G(WCDMA), GSM network
5.0 MP Camera, support auto focus, digital zoom
Powerful Qualcom processor, 1GHz chipset
Super slim, only 9.3mm
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Further modified version of the MIUI Launcher, perhaps, running on a MIUI ROM maybe.
This is amazing. I would seriously look at it if I just hadn't bought an Optimus Black.
However, I will keep an eye in this because it looks veeeery good thing.
It looks like its on pre-order for around $160.00 - GooApple
antonio1475 said:
This is amazing. I would seriously look at it if I just hadn't bought an Optimus Black.
However, I will keep an eye in this because it looks veeeery good thing.
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It looks like its on pre-order for around $160.00 - GooApple
santhoshkumar said:
It looks like its on pre-order for around $160.00 - GooApple
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Awesome. The main thing that worries me is the battery life. China mobiles usually have very poor batteries.
what a lawsuit this would be!
I'd be interested in trying this launcher out
Why in Jesus Christ would you want that? It looks sooooo...iphonenish.
How are they already not in big trouble for this?
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I believe they are in trouble.. but hey.. they are in china..
so if you import one from china it's possible
http://android-sale.com/gooapple-3g...gsm-3-5-inch-multi-touch-screen-wifi-gps.html
Pre-order link!
I don't think I want the actual Gooapple phone, I just want to download the ROM...it would be fun to install this on my Nexus or Galaxy to play around.
I really hope its a custom MIUI ROM that will be uploaded to this forum soon!
Jet190rs said:
I don't think I want the actual Gooapple phone, I just want to download the ROM...it would be fun to install this on my Nexus or Galaxy to play around.
I really hope its a custom MIUI ROM that will be uploaded to this forum soon!
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+1 Agree with you
Cool phone! I am using Galaxy tab to Android but my phone HTC diamond crashed before few months and my primary phone now is crappy Nokia 3100 I am seriously thinking about this, I love iOS view and I love Android options! I am in love with that phone!!!!
Processor: Qualcom MSM7227
Display reulotion: WVGA screen, 320*480 ==> how come WVGA similar to 320*480?
Battery: Built-in Li-on battery, 1350mAh
Built-in Memory: 512MB ROM / 256MB RAM
about the processor, it's the same with my galaxy ACE, but mine runs at 800 MHz (default). if u checked at pdadb.net, those series will have default clock at 600 MHz, i doubt if it can run on 1 Ghz
the rest of specs are the same with galaxy ace
259.99 USD? it is 170 USD marked in the site!(999RMB)
I skimmed through the video, it seems fake.
where in that video does it show it's an android phone?
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Hello guys,
i have a serious problem on my note N8000, i m on ICS 4.0.4 and i have juste 840 Mo of RAM declared when i open task manager !!!!!!!
Is there a 1 gig version of the note N8000 ??? i m really confused !!!
Help please,
nanojaz said:
Hello guys,
i have a serious problem on my note N8000, i m on ICS 4.0.4 and i have juste 840 Mo of RAM declared when i open task manager !!!!!!!
Is there a 1 gig version of the note N8000 ??? i m really confused !!!
Help please,
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HOLY BAD TABLET BATMAN!
Yeah, I know. My post is of no help...
Did you try hitting the clear memory button? Or does your memory only say 840?
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Try limiting your background processes to 3 in the Developer section and run LauncherPro launcher.
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quit looking at your ram and worrying about it so often (clearing it obsessively does more harm than good) -- unless youre sure something is wonggggg
you paid $500 for a machine to manage the ram for you so you dont have to.
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quit looking at your ram and worrying about it so often (clearing it obsessively does more harm than good) -- unless youre sure something is wonggggg
you paid $500 for a machine to manage the ram for you so you dont have to.
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i think its a beta hardware or a korean version its a 1.4 DUAL core cpu .......and 1Go RAM its not due to processes launched, i payed 450 $ for that crap, the problem is this device is a real samsung N8000 !!!!
nanojaz said:
i think its a beta hardware or a korean version its a 1.4 DUAL core cpu .......and 1Go RAM its not due to processes launched, i payed 450 $ for that crap, the problem is this device is a real samsung N8000 !!!!
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If that is the case, you have been ripped off! is there no way you can change it, should be Quad core with 2G's of Ram?
HasC said:
If that is the case, you have been ripped off! is there no way you can change it, should be Quad core with 2G's of Ram?
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Um don't buy expensive tech from some guy on eBay. Anyway, if you really own it (I doubt you do) you will be covered under Samsungs warranty. Just contact them.
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nanojaz said:
i think its a beta hardware or a korean version its a 1.4 DUAL core cpu .......and 1Go RAM its not due to processes launched, i payed 450 $ for that crap, the problem is this device is a real samsung N8000 !!!!
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I think u bought galaxy tab 2!
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http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-Coming-To-ATT-First-4GB-RAM-Up-to-25X-Faster-Than-GS3/
snapple232 said:
http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-Coming-To-ATT-First-4GB-RAM-Up-to-25X-Faster-Than-GS3/
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I work at at&t and can confirm the launch date, which isn't widely publicized yet, however I highly doubt the 4 gigs of ram.
Damn.... I don't know if its true or not ( i dont think it is) but if it is I'm sooo getting the AT&T version. Wow.
It only has 2 gig
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Who honestly thinks any phone needs 4 gigs of ram? And why would 2 extra gigs of ram be any kind of selling point...
zaures said:
Who honestly thinks any phone needs 4 gigs of ram? And why would 2 extra gigs of ram be any kind of selling point...
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I remember people saying that about 2 gigs of ram.
How is it that the people that right these reviews can be so far off. Do they not have any pride in what they claim to know? It's almost like a microwave sales person trying to write a review about automobiles. I understand Samsung's dropping the ball on making information available, but that's no excuse for these so-called professions or enthusiasts publishing such crap. If it's true and the AT&T S4 has 4 Gigs of RAM (doubtful) then why is this the first it has been released? A lot of people that claim to be expert reviewers should be ashamed of themselves.
zaures said:
Who honestly thinks any phone needs 4 gigs of ram? And why would 2 extra gigs of ram be any kind of selling point...
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Why complain if 4 gig of Ram is available?
April's Fool day? Hard to believe...
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FYI ARM v7 doesn't even support more than 3 GB of RAM. It's 32 bit, wait for A57 to get to ARM v8 and 64 bit if you even want to see more than 2GB.
would be nice, if true. in one or two years, 4GB will be the standard.
BarryH_GEG said:
An even better question would be why would Samsung increase their own costs unnecessarily? The move to 2GB was because Adreno in S3 reserved 325MB of RAM for itself. And even then some manufacturers didn't move up to 2GB for their S3-based phones. The i9505 has over 1GB free which based on the way Android manages memory should be more than enough.
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Above is the Octa available memory. PowerVR appears to be reserving 180MB of RAM for itself (2GB-180MB=1.82GB available). We know from the One that Adreno reserves 550MB for itself. So the S-600 version of the SGS4 should have 1.45GB available (2GB-550MB=1.45GB available). In the Octa example above core and system apps are using about 310MB of RAM. (1.82GB-310MB=1.51GB user available). So the S-600 version should have 1.14GB available (1.45GB-310MB=1.14GB). 1GB+ free for the OS and multitasking should be fine.
And the N2 (below) has more S-Crap on it than the SGS4 and runs fine with 1.14GB for the OS and apps.
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barry you got it totally wrong on the above post, its actually 310mb free memory available the rest 1.5gb is being used. Also i dont think the unavailable memory is being allotedd for graphics it should have its own memory. The unavailable memory is shared among various hardware parts.
bala_gamer said:
barry you got it totally wrong on the above post, its actually 310mb free memory available the rest 1.5gb is being used. Also i dont think the unavailable memory is being allotedd for graphics it should have its own memory. The unavailable memory is shared among various hardware parts.
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Drinking+tablet+numbers=mess. I deleted my post. And it made so much sense at the time.
8gb ram is a must nowadays!
4gb ram in a phone? Holy crap this phone will fly!
Off topic but does anyone know if bestbuy will be doing at&t preorders on tuesday as well? The 26th launch date is fine by me.
this is not going to happen for now, so we can ignore this crap
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this is not going to happen for now, so we can ignore this crap
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and you know this how? many sites are stating the at&t version will indeed have 4gb ram. don't forget the US s3 also had more ram than the international versions.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
FYI ARM v7 doesn't even support more than 3 GB of RAM. It's 32 bit, wait for A57 to get to ARM v8 and 64 bit if you even want to see more than 2GB.
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and you know this how? many sites are stating the at&t version will indeed have 4gb ram. don't forget the US s3 also had more ram than the international versions.
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Already been stated how this is known not to happen...we have 32bit devices...just like in actual computers 32bit does not support anything above 2gb. Until we get a 64bit phone we won't see anything above 2gb ram in a phone.
And to your other post saying 4gb ram is going to make the phone faster....keep in mind ram does not increase speed. Ram helps multi tasking...all ram does is prevent system slowdowns from occurring due to to many tasks running.
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It's true. And it'll also have 16 cores.
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What im looking for is 5 inch or above display sise, 16 million colors, 1GB of ram, Android 4.2 OS, good camera, quad core cpu and should be able to take 2 sims. Any suggestions? Ive found some nice ones on dhgate with 16 million clolors, but only comes with one sim.
saa044 said:
What im looking for is 5 inch or above display sise, 16 million colors, 1GB of ram, Android 4.2 OS, good camera, quad core cpu and should be able to take 2 sims. Any suggestions? Ive found some nice ones on dhgate with 16 million clolors, but only comes with one sim.
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I think you need to take a look at different Chinese smartphones - there're a lot of dual-sim models among them.
Some of China's mobile phone quality is bad.
Augustine02 said:
Some of China's mobile phone quality is bad.
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Not Really, I have the Star N9770 and for the price it is very nice. I am just not happy with the 16000k color screen, but it can play every game on the market, is super fast and with heavy use I get a day and a half on 1 battery, normal use 3 days.
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I think you need to take a look at different Chinese smartphones - there're a lot of dual-sim models among them.
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Yeah for sure, unfortunately I could not find a dual sim with 16 million colors yet, but still looking hard. I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 also, but as I mentioned its sorta pointless for me to have it as I have to carry around 2 phones, so thats the reason why im looking for something that comes close to the S4 with dual sim.
Augustine02 said:
Some of China's mobile phone quality is bad.
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You can say that about any device
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You can say that about any device
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THL phone you heard of it?
Augustine02 said:
THL phone you heard of it?
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Never. But iI'm against generalizing. For example, Oppo or Meizu have great devices.
Try buying hdc galaxy s4
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I would but the htc one it is by far best phone on market right now
it will be Panasonic P51 or Huawei Ascend D2
Google it for more spesification..
thlmobile said:
Oppo or Meizu phone design is very beautiful.
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And apart from design, their best models are really powerful
Nice, thanks to all the replies so far, will look into all the models you guys suggested.
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it will be Panasonic P51 or Huawei Ascend D2
Google it for more spesification..
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Both phones soooo sweet, but im in South Africa, so those 2 will cost me a small fortune. For instance I bought a 2011 Macbook pro second hand for about R3000 and each of those will cost me close to R5000 and up, not to expensive considering the Galaxy S4's price, but yeah the wife and daughter is in the front of the line each month. lol.
You can look HERE for info. This is the one I'm using now, Very happy with the performance. The phone is one 3 days old and I've yet to explore it features.
greeny2010 said:
You can look HERE for info. This is the one I'm using now, Very happy with the performance. The phone is one 3 days old and I've yet to explore it features.
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Wow so nice. Fastcardtech reliable?
elvisamy said:
you could consider this mobilphone :star N9589(http://androidexport.com/star-n9589...89-quad-core-android-41-os-wifi-3g-p-408.html).
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Basic Information
Model Star N9589
Band 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G: WCDMA 850/2100MHz
Sim Card Dual SIM Card Dual Standby
Service Provide Unlocked
Style Bar
Color White/ black
Shell Material Plastic
System
OS Android 4.1.1
CPU MTK6589, Cortex A7 quad core; 1.2GHz
ROM 4GB
RAM 1GB
Screen
Display Size 5.7 Inch
Type IPS capacitive touch screen
Resolution 1280*720 pixels
Screen Color 16 Million Colors
Support Format
Ringtones Type Polyphonic/MP3
Audio File Format MP3/WAV/AMR/AWB
Video File Format 3GP/MPEG4
Image File Format JPEG/BMP/GIF/PNG/GIF
E-book Format TXT/CHM/DOC/HTML
FM Radio Yes, earphone needed
Earphone Port 3.5mm
Card Extend Support TF card up to 16GB extended
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Owning the Star N9770 I am tempted to go this route as im happy, androidexpert a reliable company to buy from?
saa044 said:
Wow so nice. Fastcardtech reliable?
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I received my phone in 2 weeks time and good working condition. However, the spec of the phone is not according to what I've placed. The OS is 4.2.1 instead of 4.2.2 (latest) and phone is also not rooted.
After emails, I've a 4.2.2 from their tech-support. Managed to flash this on my phone and also done the rooting process.
For this company, there are good and bad comments on their style of running. I buy from them as I can use paypal for payment. If things turn up bad, I can always ask for a refund.