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what direction should phone cpus go, faster or multi-core???

Hey Everyone
Wasn't really sure where this post should go since it's not really dev or hacking related but it didn't really seem to fit in any of the other subforums either :-(
I was wondering what everyone's take on the future of smart phone processors is, I mean what seems to be a better road to travel: multi-core cpus or faster and faster cpus?
I ask because we already have 1ghz phones and motorola is talking about a 2ghz phone by years end and then there are the dual core chips that have been rumored to be circulating from qualcom.
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.

dsMA said:
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.
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Considering that adding cores is the way that PC chips overcame physical limitations in clock speed, I think that's the way it's going to go. Phones can't run nearly as hot as PCs and still be considered to run within acceptable levels, so I'd say having a multitude of relatively slow cores would be beneficial (most Android apps are multithreaded anyway, so they can already take advantage of multiple cores).

I was just wondering if I should make the leap for a ghz phone this year or hold out for the first multi-core phones next year.
How are most Android apps threaded?
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Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.

IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.

¿GotJazz? said:
IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.
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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.

very interesting topic for discussion, my thing is what are we gonna do with a dual core Cpu in a smart ph. I mean if you can give me a high end ph with a single core processor with above average battery life I would take that over say a dual core processor with below average or just average battery life.
It all comes down to what one is willing to sacrifice for power and speed...

faster, no.
more cores, no.
lower power, yes.
dedicated mobile gpu, HELL YESS!

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Multi core all the way!!!
More power!
I'll probably get a 10" tablet for my next phone anyway, and do all my talking by earpiece.
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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daveob said:
what is.................
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ph-one... like phone maybe?
And I agree about the waiting game. There is almost no point in waiting for anything because it will most certainly be outdone within months. For me a reasonable "wait" would be under a month from when I choose to change my phone. (Come on Epic...)
I believe multi-core will eventually catch on, just like in pc's, but now I'm mainly focused on the success of a good combo of cpu/gpu. (Come on Epic...)

steve.h said:
Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.
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I am up for renewal in Nov. I am on Sprint so it is shaping up to be a decision between EVO and Epic. I don't care for slide out keyboards but I am leaning towards Epic.
It just seems like this generation of phones is already obsolete (with the rumored 2ghz motorola and possibly dual core ultimate tmobile phone) and they are just starting to come out.
What I really need is a keyboard that doesn't lag lol

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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.
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16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.

dsMA said:
16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.
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With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.

Col.Kernel said:
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.

manonbr said:
With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.
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I am using Alyosius 2.1.2. It combines both sense and asop. I like sense and I need the asop contacts app to limit which contact groups are displayed in both contacts and people. I also have a really hard time with any oc kernel :-( I think I tired the new uv/oc kernel and never was able to get past the boot screen :-(
I have been thinking about doing doing another backup and trying it again to see what happens.

Mithent said:
I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.
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Hopefully there will be larger replacement batteries and accompanying faceplates for the galaxy s. Someone wrote that it is easy to find after market battery and faceplates for htc phones but I haven't really found any in particular for my hero.

I see them going with more cores. Android is made for multicores. The higher the clock speed goes up, the more energy used and wasted as heat. Thats why desktop CPU's have moved on to adding cores rather than increasing clock speeds. Battery technology also has MUCH room for improvement. As do core efficiency's. However our need for more speed and processing power is only going to continue to increase. I think Android 3.0 is going to really put the underutilized GPU to work to offload much of that GUI from the cpu(s). And GPU's are all about multithreading (basically) too.

What makes you think 3.0 is going to utilize the gpu for general purpose processing?
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The main advantage of an embedded multi core solution is for lower power not higher speed. The multi cores split tasks and all run slower to achieve things within the same timeframe.
Don't think about PC's as a comparison the silicon manufacturers aren't thinking this way.

Galaxy S2 what do you think?

http://www.redmondpie.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-specs-will-blow-your-brains-out/
what do you think about this phone?

Pretty incredible. I guess this is still single core though?

rumors.. rumors.. rumors...
Where is the dual hd projectors?

Quite impressed but I agree with the author - instead of focusing on putting out faster processors that barely make a difference with the apps that we have, they should really work on increasing battery life. If the 2ghz makes the battery last a shorter time than my Captivate then it just isn't worth it. I'd much rather have the same specs we have now but with a battery that can last 2 full days with normal use instead of one. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my current battery life, it easily gets me through a day, but I'd prefer to only charge every other day if the option was there.

Krad said:
rumors.. rumors.. rumors...
Where is the dual hd projectors?
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I head it will mow your lawn and change the oil in your car too. Spread the word..

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I head it will mow your lawn and change the oil in your car too. Spread the word..
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Damn...sign me up..I got a 4 car and 1 SUV household to change the oil on and over 1 acre of yard to mow
Mac

I'd honestly be much more excited to see samsung commit to gingerbread for its current (and still top of the market) generation

I appreciate the bump of the screen to "4.3 in" I tested my friend's droid x, and I like how "full" it feels XD

This speculation looks cool, but even if it is "real" it would most likely be push back to like Q4 of 2011, Honestly Samsung has pushed back Froyo so much. Those stats look great but they really need to work with their software to enhance android OS for their Hummingbird CPU architecture. The snapdragon Cpu is so enhanced with Froyo, hopefully Gingerbread... hopin... the actual device looks great though. I like the slate design.

Me wants.
Me drools
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As far as bettery life is concerned I doubt it will make a huge impact. From what I've read the dual core designs don't really require much more power than their single core counterparts so I imagine they would have a 2ghz CPU designed similarly in efficiency. I'm with the idea though that it sounds like overkill but if you put the hardware out someone will find a way to use it. With this phone being as fast as it is ill imagine ill be able to ride out my contract with it no problem. I like having the latest and greatest but if nothing really takes advantage of it before the next Gen comes out its not worth it. It is amazing to see the strides these smartphones are taking.

Cool. But it's so worthless.
the 1ghz hummingbird processor is fast enough for EVERYTHING.
And the design.. it's nothing special. All these phones are looking for and more alike (iphone shape-ish). They need to create something a bit more fancy.

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Cool. But it's so worthless.
the 1ghz hummingbird processor is fast enough for EVERYTHING.
And the design.. it's nothing special. All these phones are looking for and more alike (iphone shape-ish). They need to create something a bit more fancy.
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I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.

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I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.
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Agreed. I want to buy the Otterbox case when it comes out, but I really don't want to cover up the phone's good looks with it. The checkering on the back cover looks really great. And it's so slim! This is a dilemma of great proportions.

\/icious said:
I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.
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I'm not a really big fan of the Captivate's design. All the curves just end up wasting space for no particular reason other than to look cool while at the same time making it so different from other phones that there are far, far fewer accessories available for us than pretty much any other 2.1/2.2 Android phone.
I like that CGI mockup of a possible Galaxy S2, it's minimalist and would be very well suited to having an aftermarket case, unlike ours, which tend to look way too rounded after putting on a case.
The thing I'm most interested in is if the AT&T version of the phone will again be a stripped down, gimped, bloatware-filled version of the international version. I will not buy another smartphone until there is one available that has a FFC and a flash. I think it's pretty silly to go through the trouble of redesigning the entire outer casing of the phone while removing features. You're just spending more money for less (it costs far more to make a separate production line for new bodies than it does to simply keep the FFC in; as we've all seen from the Vibrant mods, the FFC assembly is DIRT CHEAP).

BodaciousDrake said:
Agreed. I want to buy the Otterbox case when it comes out, but I really don't want to cover up the phone's good looks with it. The checkering on the back cover looks really great. And it's so slim! This is a dilemma of great proportions.
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Yeah I wont be throwing a case on this bad boy. I was actually going to look into maybe clear coating this thing or something just to give it a little resiliance but since I have insurance ill just rma a new one if gets too beat up
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I'm not a really big fan of the Captivate's design. All the curves just end up wasting space for no particular reason other than to look cool while at the same time making it so different from other phones that there are far, far fewer accessories available for us than pretty much any other 2.1/2.2 Android phone.
I like that CGI mockup of a possible Galaxy S2, it's minimalist and would be very well suited to having an aftermarket case, unlike ours, which tend to look way too rounded after putting on a case.
The thing I'm most interested in is if the AT&T version of the phone will again be a stripped down, gimped, bloatware-filled version of the international version. I will not buy another smartphone until there is one available that has a FFC and a flash. I think it's pretty silly to go through the trouble of redesigning the entire outer casing of the phone while removing features. You're just spending more money for less (it costs far more to make a separate production line for new bodies than it does to simply keep the FFC in; as we've all seen from the Vibrant mods, the FFC assembly is DIRT CHEAP).
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to me I think the phone shouldn't look like it needs to be covered up with a case. I'm not so sure I understand where your coming from on the design/ accessories issue as I really have not noticed us lacking something other phones have but I really don't keep up with that stuff. I agree about the flash and FFC. I was a little disappointed when I saw a flash was not included.

Can only dream...

Lee1733 said:
Quite impressed but I agree with the author - instead of focusing on putting out faster processors that barely make a difference with the apps that we have, they should really work on increasing battery life. If the 2ghz makes the battery last a shorter time than my Captivate then it just isn't worth it. I'd much rather have the same specs we have now but with a battery that can last 2 full days with normal use instead of one. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my current battery life, it easily gets me through a day, but I'd prefer to only charge every other day if the option was there.
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Yeah. I'm with Lee on this one. If it is single core, aps will open marginally quicker with the performance limiter being the wireless network. The only benefit I can see if multitasking. I foresee a 2ghz single core phone having poor performance in battery life. A dual core properly architectured can come out with similar battery performance to single. I wish Samsung would focus on improving the current product, and understand the fact that their phones have to be hacked...not to overclock, or over perform; but to make the phone perform the way the hardware allows it to. Not what the software limits it to. I am sure they formatted the drives to preserve the battery life, and not hit the processor so hard, but hey if you roll out a 1GHZ CPU, it should run like a 1GHZ CPU. I love the hardware and look forward to an official release of Froyo. Until then the leaked version with lag fix works great for me. (GPS and all)

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As far as bettery life is concerned I doubt it will make a huge impact. From what I've read the dual core designs don't really require much more power than their single core counterparts so I imagine they would have a 2ghz CPU designed similarly in efficiency. I'm with the idea though that it sounds like overkill but if you put the hardware out someone will find a way to use it. With this phone being as fast as it is ill imagine ill be able to ride out my contract with it no problem. I like having the latest and greatest but if nothing really takes advantage of it before the next Gen comes out its not worth it. It is amazing to see the strides these smartphones are taking.
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I hear the sound of a veteran over zealous overclocker. Let me check, what bridge (s) for pencil overclock?

I just want a higher resolution display. Not to sound like an apple fanboy but what the heck was Samsung thinking? I can see the pixels so clearly on this display (maybe cause its super amoled )
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Why don't manufacturers just put a 3000mah+ battery in their phones, stock?

After seeing the Epic 4G (I bought one with a broken ESN and shipped it to Canada), and several of other Galaxy S phones, I noted something. They were pretty lightweight, but battery life was unimpressive.
The Epic is not alone, and there are lots of Android phones that seem to suffer from poor battery life. The Evo was also notorious for bad battery life, as is the newer Desire HD. It begs the question - why don't manufacturers add a bigger battery stock? It would be an enormous selling point, battery life that rivals Blackberry or low-end Symbian phones. Plus, with the new "thin" and "lightweight" trend going on, there is room to add more batteries.
Price certainly isn't an issue; these are flagships going for like $500-$600; what's the extra $20 for a bigger battery? I'm pretty sure that customers would be willing to pay that to double their battery life. So why don't they? They know quite well that customers complain about it.

I agree wholeheartedly.
I mean, Samsung in particular has no problem doing this - their Super AMOLED devices are extremely thin and light for their screensize. They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier and stick a 2600-3000 mAh battery in there. It would also offset the "cheap build quality" feeling that some users get when they grasp a very light phone made of plastic.

there is no one size fit's all solution to this.
some people like the thinness and can work around the potential battery life issues. and unless you're really hammering the phone most of them will last an entire day.
for everyone else they can offer a thicker battery and cover.
Pickx said:
They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier
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you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.

The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.

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The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.
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My Vibrant does just fine handling it.

I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..

Phones don't include 3000mah+ batteries to cut down on weight and thickness. I do find it weird that larger screen phones (HD2, HD7, Evo) have a smaller battery than phones with smaller screens like the Droid Incredible and HTC Hero.

Anderdroid said:
My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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No it doesn't.

Anderdroid said:
My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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Only with moderate use.
The point is that we shouldn't have to resort to custom kernels, cutting services like GPS to get one day's battery. This would not require a lot of change - just a slightly bigger phone. I'd pay a bit extra willingly for, say double battery life.
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you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.
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Just to set things straight, I meant 2 millimeters thicker. If only America could get with the times and start using SI, I wouldn't be making these mistakes

Battery juice is something essential
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I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..
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yup more battery life is always good and getting some extra thickness and weight for improved battery is not a bad trade-off...

I've never had any battery problems with my EVO.
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Personally my backflip (running 2.1 update 1), wifi on half the day and moderate it lasts a full day, if that. I would certainly sacrifice "2mm" thickness for double the battery, if it were that little of a difference... The backflip is already a thick phone due to its doubled over design but I wouldn't mind a little thicker, usually, for that added battery life.

Just an idea..

I've noticed that smartphones are becoming extremely thin these days, which is great but I had a thought.
I was just thinking, with technology getting more advanced and, displays, chips, and motherboards getting thinner, why not make a thin device and make it a little bigger just for the battery.
If manufacturers made extremely thin devices and added some extra thickness for the battery to take up the remaining length, width, and depth of the phone, we could have some serious battery power.
Ah? Ahhh?

Uh just putting a bigger battery is the average and today's thinking. Just like how people think oh, just find more oil. What we need is something more, something better than just more. But nevertheless, that idea should satisfy today's world.

In that case, I propose a battery that never dies. It will output its power, that said power will then come back to the battery and the cycle starts all over.
That would be perfect

If the battery was thicker but lasted longer, that would be a doable trade off
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That's what I was saying, add width, length, and thickness to the battery only. Having a bigger battery will allow more power. The actually hardware would be extremely thin so the overall thickness of the device isn't much.

Now the battery is the biggest problem`````

i think all of us that use an smartphone will trade a little more size for a better battery life.

Sounds good to me
I'd totally be okay with that. I have a Xperia ARC, and the thing is SUPER thin. However, the battery is actually already quite large. I'd say it takes at least about 30% of the phone's size. However, I agree with Kailkti: it's better to increase quality than quantity.

Well, look at Nokias. Can do all the current basics, flash support, and battery is flawless.

There was talk of a battery that used radioactivity to generate electricity, theoretically that could power a phone for a lifetime. Guess they did run into some warranty issues

nuke-based phone.. lol
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HTC: Thin smartphones are better than large battery

http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/htc-thinks-we-want-thin-phones-not-big-batteries-is-it-right
HTC made a statement that people want thin smartphones more than large batteries. Imo battery-life is much more important than the thickness of a smartphone.
What do you guys think?

wayne850 said:
http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/htc-thinks-we-want-thin-phones-not-big-batteries-is-it-right
HTC made a statement that people want thin smartphones more than large batteries. Imo battery-life is much more important than the thickness of a smartphone.
What do you guys think?
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double phone size and walk around with 3000-4000 mAh battery! **** yea!

For me too. I would prefer a longer battery life.
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motorola made a good step with the razr maxx. it's just about 2mm thicker and its battery is almost twice as large as the original razr (1780 ->3300mah)

I'd gladly trade a couple of mm and 10-15-20 grams weight to have a ~2500mAh battery in my One S!

Well, I think from what HTC had learned from customers, it could be a valid statement to say thin phones are better than large batteries from the sales point of view. The reason is simple, we want a phone which looks great even if the battery is not that ideal. Because when we take our phone out, it is the appearance which attracts us and others not the numbers presenting the battery capability, visual impression always stronger than spec sheet.
Just look at the MAO defect thread here, see how many people still stick with the black version even if there are well known problem/risk and they have to send the phone back several times to try their luck. (If I were that in love with black version, I would do the same) Does battery capacity annoy them? Compared to the MAO thing, not at all!!
So, I back HTC's statement only from the sales point of view. Of course a phone with both the same thinness and larger battery is better, but given the current technology constraints, you have to compromise one to another right? And I would happily go for thinness rather than 3000mAh.
Cheers!

h.han said:
Well, I think from what HTC had learned from customers, it could be a valid statement to say thin phones are better than large batteries from the sales point of view. The reason is simple, we want a phone which looks great even if the battery is not that ideal. Because when we take our phone out, it is the appearance which attracts us and others not the numbers presenting the battery capability, visual impression always stronger than spec sheet.
Just look at the MAO defect thread here, see how many people still stick with the black version even if there are well known problem/risk and they have to send the phone back several times to try their luck. (If I were that in love with black version, I would do the same) Does battery capacity annoy them? Compared to the MAO thing, not at all!!
So, I back HTC's statement only from the sales point of view. Of course a phone with both the same thinness and larger battery is better, but given the current technology constraints, you have to compromise one to another right? And I would happily go for thinness rather than 3000mAh.
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I got black because gray is slippery, Im clumsy already, dont need another affect helping to drop phone

well the One S is incredibly slim AND has great battery life...
So I say, Why not have both ???

azzledazzle said:
well the One S is incredibly slim AND has great battery life...
So I say, Why not have both ???
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It all depends on what u call "great battery life". I call "great battery life" when I have to charge my phone once a week. (happend to tattoo with larget battery).
S2 I call extremly bad battery, One S I call not that bad battery

1 week ?? holy ****...
the last phone i had that lasted a week was a nokia..
those old nokia will outlive us all

1 week is probably a little to enthusiastic, but 3 days would be ideally. Imagine that you are on a little trip in the woods with no access to electricity

virtq said:
1 week is probably a little to enthusiastic, but 3 days would be ideally. Imagine that you are on a little trip in the woods with no access to electricity
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Thats just what ppl want from phones At same time I understand it wont happen useless the technology changes to some super uber low power consume

All I need is my 14-16 hours of use. and thats pretty much what i get on most phones. i hate big batteries and oversized covers

I would rather have a thiner phone.
It's all about managing battery life.

I'd rather have a thin phone because that will impress my buddies.
They aren't going to know that I have 30 hours of battery life if it was a thick phone anyway. And even if they do, they probably won't jizz their pants.

wilcoholic said:
I'd rather have a thin phone because that will impress my buddies.
They aren't going to know that I have 30 hours of battery life if it was a thick phone anyway. And even if they do, they probably won't jizz their pants.
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So ur the person whos gonna buy Hummer, and stick in muds while "Smart" goes simply true there
Cmon, you really buy things just because they look good, or you need the oportunities it give? At this point - the possibility to use phone at all (no battery no phone).

Well, it seems we can have both. I would prefer a larger battery but if my One S gets the kind of battery life we've seen so far I will stop caring about how big the battery is. And like Adjust said, its all about battery management.

Thinner device of course!!
Around 8mm is the ideal size. As long as a battery lasts 12 hours throughout the day I'm fine with it.
It's all about having a sleek device that is eye catching and brilliant at the same time. Battery can be conserved through options, build design can not.

Why is everyone racing for a thin smatphone, I hope HTC reads all these comments because the majority of us would rather have a longer lasting battery
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Moto hits the point for both tastes so come on htc, start offering a thicker one s with more battery life/exchangeable battery (and maybe sd card slot?!).
So only the best for both worlds...