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Why don't manufacturers just put a 3000mah+ battery in their phones, stock?

After seeing the Epic 4G (I bought one with a broken ESN and shipped it to Canada), and several of other Galaxy S phones, I noted something. They were pretty lightweight, but battery life was unimpressive.
The Epic is not alone, and there are lots of Android phones that seem to suffer from poor battery life. The Evo was also notorious for bad battery life, as is the newer Desire HD. It begs the question - why don't manufacturers add a bigger battery stock? It would be an enormous selling point, battery life that rivals Blackberry or low-end Symbian phones. Plus, with the new "thin" and "lightweight" trend going on, there is room to add more batteries.
Price certainly isn't an issue; these are flagships going for like $500-$600; what's the extra $20 for a bigger battery? I'm pretty sure that customers would be willing to pay that to double their battery life. So why don't they? They know quite well that customers complain about it.

I agree wholeheartedly.
I mean, Samsung in particular has no problem doing this - their Super AMOLED devices are extremely thin and light for their screensize. They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier and stick a 2600-3000 mAh battery in there. It would also offset the "cheap build quality" feeling that some users get when they grasp a very light phone made of plastic.

there is no one size fit's all solution to this.
some people like the thinness and can work around the potential battery life issues. and unless you're really hammering the phone most of them will last an entire day.
for everyone else they can offer a thicker battery and cover.
Pickx said:
They could easily make it ~2 inches thicker and ~30 grams heavier
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you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.

The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.

sauron0101 said:
The point remains that with a day's worth of heavy usage, these newer phones just can't handle it.
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My Vibrant does just fine handling it.

I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..

Phones don't include 3000mah+ batteries to cut down on weight and thickness. I do find it weird that larger screen phones (HD2, HD7, Evo) have a smaller battery than phones with smaller screens like the Droid Incredible and HTC Hero.

Anderdroid said:
My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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No it doesn't.

Anderdroid said:
My Vibrant does just fine handling it.
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Only with moderate use.
The point is that we shouldn't have to resort to custom kernels, cutting services like GPS to get one day's battery. This would not require a lot of change - just a slightly bigger phone. I'd pay a bit extra willingly for, say double battery life.
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crazy talk said:
you didnt really think that through before you pressed 'post' did you? nobody here would be into a 2" thick phone.
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Just to set things straight, I meant 2 millimeters thicker. If only America could get with the times and start using SI, I wouldn't be making these mistakes

Battery juice is something essential
Mercano said:
I agree with you sauron! Every phone should have at least 2000 mAh battery. That would be only 1 or 2 mm more thickness of the whole phone, but much more usable. Today's smartphones die to quickly. My nokia E72 manages two days of some extreme usage, i wish I could say the same for some of the 3,7 inch smartphones..
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yup more battery life is always good and getting some extra thickness and weight for improved battery is not a bad trade-off...

I've never had any battery problems with my EVO.
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Personally my backflip (running 2.1 update 1), wifi on half the day and moderate it lasts a full day, if that. I would certainly sacrifice "2mm" thickness for double the battery, if it were that little of a difference... The backflip is already a thick phone due to its doubled over design but I wouldn't mind a little thicker, usually, for that added battery life.

Phone features in the future?

What features would you guys like to see on phones in the future? .... keep it somewhat realistic not things like time machines and time stopping abilities....
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Better battery life, obviously not unrealistic, but at the moment battery life is pretty shocking. I know it's a smart phone, but I don't want to have to worry about charging during the day to make sure it doesn't run out.

I completely agree also I'm no expert but I'm sure they could make the internal memory bigger, for android anyway I'm not sure what its like on others. Android internal memory is poor
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Better battery life,faster, better/faster speeds over 3/4G and um.... that's all I could think of right now.
Oh, I would love to be able to buy a phone in a different color.

FLAC Vest said:
better/faster speeds over 3/4G
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Or just true 4g speeds. I cant imagine having a need for internet speeds over 100 mbps, even for home internet.
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Battery technology is a big hindrance at the moment. Hopefully we'll see a revolutionary breakthrough some time in the future.
What we need is Moooaaar Powa!

I'm sure smartphone must take the position of laptop and play an important role as terminal in Clouding computing.

I really want to see battery life improve. I wish manufacturers would be prepared to make their devices a couple of mm thicker, so there's room for a bigger battery and antenna; imagine if we no longer had to have intense discussions about signal strength or battery life because our phones were now designed with this in mind.
I'm also hoping that the recent speed increases and dual-core chips will make it possible to build under-clocked dual-cores or even single cores which are quick enough, but save massively on power.
It would be nice if some lower-power screen technology might come along, since the screen is a huge drain on power.

I support the idea of a battery that can last for weeks. Would be great not to worry about that damnbattery running out when I'm at school using camera and WiFi...

The phones should be slimmer and stronger. I would pay more for a nice carbon/magnesium case like I can get on premium laptops. The cheap plastic most manufacturers use really blows.

Once the technology behind the 'paper screen' improves, I would like to see (un)foldable screens that can expand screen space.

Better battery life,faster, better/faster speeds over 3/4G

I hope wireless charging gets better and more widespread.
Improved touchscreens with more multitouch gestures and tactile response would be cool too.
System wide accelerometer gestures. (could be used to change song and all that)
Multiple screens, Better screen tech - SAMOLED+Retina Display?
Fuel cell or higher capacity batteries.
Built in pico projectors.
Anyone see the Mozilla Seabird concept?

i would like to see phones that use solar energy to get charged

I wish they would make their phones a little bit bigger, not so flimsy. Also, improve battery life and for god's sake add more memory! it's cheap these days!

I agree, Battery life!!!

Saulog01 said:
i would like to see phones that use solar energy to get charged
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How efficient would tthat be though? And on top of that, how durable is the solar charger? And how much would it be?
I would love alternative forms if charging but I can't think if that many scenarios where my phone is in direct sunlight... let alone there long enough to charge.

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How efficient would tthat be though? And on top of that, how durable is the solar charger? And how much would it be?
I would love alternative forms if charging but I can't think if that many scenarios where my phone is in direct sunlight... let alone there long enough to charge.
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I agree solar is probably not the way to go but a different more efficient method would be great
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Solar battery

I'd just like manufacturers to be a bit sensible and not put wi fi antennas where your fingers go, or volume control rockers where you hit them when typing, and batteries that last more than 17 hrs..
Little things like that, oh and if going to the bother to make a fantastic phone (G2) finish the job and put a decent camera and speaker in it.
sometimes its just the details.

bigger better battery, would it run cooler?

I'm considering getting a mugen battery to improve my battery life, but im wondering, since it has more amperage, would it run cooler under strain? Aside from the fact that id be cutting the back off of my case for the battery room of course.

I'f youre reffering to the 1800 Mugen, then first of all you dont have to cut the back of your case. it fits in the g2 just fine.
Then again, no it wouldnt run cooler under strain. Basically from personal experience the mugen battery is just as good as the stock one. Most aftermarket batteries are lower mAh than they claim to be.

Not true, due to the high load and G2's metal battery cover... it will continue heat, however I did notice that it cools down a lot faster than the stock battery.

I was actually considering the 3600 mA battery, so I would definitely need to cut my case (which is fine, I might even just take off the back half and see how I like that).
I like to play emulated snes games for extended periods, and when I do my battery can get up to 105 degrees according to set cpu. I was just wondering if a bigger battery might hold up to the strain a little bit better.

my G2 Batterry is coming down
my G2 Batterry is coming down, i'm consider a big Mha batterry but Seidio not . and it like original batterry ?
Thanks

If you get the 3600mAh Mugen, it comes with a larger back cover to accommodate the larger battery and replaces the factory metal battery cover. No need to cut anything unless you're planning on putting a case over it as well.

Or just but a spare lol.

Sidneyaks said:
I was actually considering the 3600 mA battery, so I would definitely need to cut my case (which is fine, I might even just take off the back half and see how I like that).
I like to play emulated snes games for extended periods, and when I do my battery can get up to 105 degrees according to set cpu. I was just wondering if a bigger battery might hold up to the strain a little bit better.
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105 isn't actually that bad it's probably about average.

to answer you question: No it will not make your battery cooler.
The battery temperature is dependent on how you use the phone. The more intense you use it, the bigger the power draw, thus more heat. It might take a tad bit longer to get to the same temperature due to physical size and travelling of heat, but temperature is based off how much power is being drawn at that point in time and the duration of the draw.
I might be wrong here, but if anyone has a better explanation then by all means...

Sounds about right, it's science lol. Why use of energy has wasted energy in the form of heat. The more energy you consume three more heat is produced. Simple.

The back of my g2 with the 3600mah mugen never feels overheated, then again like everyone said u get a plastic rear cover
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HTC: Thin smartphones are better than large battery

http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/htc-thinks-we-want-thin-phones-not-big-batteries-is-it-right
HTC made a statement that people want thin smartphones more than large batteries. Imo battery-life is much more important than the thickness of a smartphone.
What do you guys think?

wayne850 said:
http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/htc-thinks-we-want-thin-phones-not-big-batteries-is-it-right
HTC made a statement that people want thin smartphones more than large batteries. Imo battery-life is much more important than the thickness of a smartphone.
What do you guys think?
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double phone size and walk around with 3000-4000 mAh battery! **** yea!

For me too. I would prefer a longer battery life.
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motorola made a good step with the razr maxx. it's just about 2mm thicker and its battery is almost twice as large as the original razr (1780 ->3300mah)

I'd gladly trade a couple of mm and 10-15-20 grams weight to have a ~2500mAh battery in my One S!

Well, I think from what HTC had learned from customers, it could be a valid statement to say thin phones are better than large batteries from the sales point of view. The reason is simple, we want a phone which looks great even if the battery is not that ideal. Because when we take our phone out, it is the appearance which attracts us and others not the numbers presenting the battery capability, visual impression always stronger than spec sheet.
Just look at the MAO defect thread here, see how many people still stick with the black version even if there are well known problem/risk and they have to send the phone back several times to try their luck. (If I were that in love with black version, I would do the same) Does battery capacity annoy them? Compared to the MAO thing, not at all!!
So, I back HTC's statement only from the sales point of view. Of course a phone with both the same thinness and larger battery is better, but given the current technology constraints, you have to compromise one to another right? And I would happily go for thinness rather than 3000mAh.
Cheers!

h.han said:
Well, I think from what HTC had learned from customers, it could be a valid statement to say thin phones are better than large batteries from the sales point of view. The reason is simple, we want a phone which looks great even if the battery is not that ideal. Because when we take our phone out, it is the appearance which attracts us and others not the numbers presenting the battery capability, visual impression always stronger than spec sheet.
Just look at the MAO defect thread here, see how many people still stick with the black version even if there are well known problem/risk and they have to send the phone back several times to try their luck. (If I were that in love with black version, I would do the same) Does battery capacity annoy them? Compared to the MAO thing, not at all!!
So, I back HTC's statement only from the sales point of view. Of course a phone with both the same thinness and larger battery is better, but given the current technology constraints, you have to compromise one to another right? And I would happily go for thinness rather than 3000mAh.
Cheers!
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I got black because gray is slippery, Im clumsy already, dont need another affect helping to drop phone

well the One S is incredibly slim AND has great battery life...
So I say, Why not have both ???

azzledazzle said:
well the One S is incredibly slim AND has great battery life...
So I say, Why not have both ???
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It all depends on what u call "great battery life". I call "great battery life" when I have to charge my phone once a week. (happend to tattoo with larget battery).
S2 I call extremly bad battery, One S I call not that bad battery

1 week ?? holy ****...
the last phone i had that lasted a week was a nokia..
those old nokia will outlive us all

1 week is probably a little to enthusiastic, but 3 days would be ideally. Imagine that you are on a little trip in the woods with no access to electricity

virtq said:
1 week is probably a little to enthusiastic, but 3 days would be ideally. Imagine that you are on a little trip in the woods with no access to electricity
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Thats just what ppl want from phones At same time I understand it wont happen useless the technology changes to some super uber low power consume

All I need is my 14-16 hours of use. and thats pretty much what i get on most phones. i hate big batteries and oversized covers

I would rather have a thiner phone.
It's all about managing battery life.

I'd rather have a thin phone because that will impress my buddies.
They aren't going to know that I have 30 hours of battery life if it was a thick phone anyway. And even if they do, they probably won't jizz their pants.

wilcoholic said:
I'd rather have a thin phone because that will impress my buddies.
They aren't going to know that I have 30 hours of battery life if it was a thick phone anyway. And even if they do, they probably won't jizz their pants.
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So ur the person whos gonna buy Hummer, and stick in muds while "Smart" goes simply true there
Cmon, you really buy things just because they look good, or you need the oportunities it give? At this point - the possibility to use phone at all (no battery no phone).

Well, it seems we can have both. I would prefer a larger battery but if my One S gets the kind of battery life we've seen so far I will stop caring about how big the battery is. And like Adjust said, its all about battery management.

Thinner device of course!!
Around 8mm is the ideal size. As long as a battery lasts 12 hours throughout the day I'm fine with it.
It's all about having a sleek device that is eye catching and brilliant at the same time. Battery can be conserved through options, build design can not.

Why is everyone racing for a thin smatphone, I hope HTC reads all these comments because the majority of us would rather have a longer lasting battery
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Moto hits the point for both tastes so come on htc, start offering a thicker one s with more battery life/exchangeable battery (and maybe sd card slot?!).
So only the best for both worlds...

[DISCUSSION] Battery / Phone size

Today's trend for mobile phones is as thinner, lighter as better. But in the other hand, CPU is getting more powerful and more power consuming so I would like to open a discussion I've been thinking for a longer time now. Also phone screens are getting bigger and bigger which is hell of a battery drain too. I currently use Galaxy S and Galaxy S III. Both phones can keep up with screens on up to 6-7 hours set up with about 20% of brigthness in cost of smaller dimensions. When I put masks on both phones, in dimensions it gets thicker for about 3-4 mm, but also it suits much better in my hand and it's much more comfortable. I won't discuss battery length and height because I actually don't know how much space is there left in whole phone, but if you are familiar with it, feel free to bring it up.
For me it would be better if they added at least 2-3 mm more thicker to get more battery capacity (I think they could reach at least 700 mAh more with 3-4mm more in thickness).
What about you? what is your opinion?

Lavoslav said:
Today's trend for mobile phones is as thinner, lighter as better. But in the other hand, CPU is getting more powerful For me it would be better if they added at least 2-3 mm more thicker to get more battery capacity (I think they could reach at least 700 mAh more with 3-4mm more in thickness).
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I have the same opinion.
Perhaps a new trend will start with the Lenovo P770. It has huge battery, 3500 mAh.

Ya that's what my idea too? RAM and processer are becoming more important.
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My idea for awhile has been a battery the same dimensions of the phone, or at least close. I would love it especially since I prefer heavy phones haha
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For Phone or for Computer? what do you whant? for phone size is small as well. for computer the display should be lager....

JamesChuang said:
For Phone or for Computer? what do you whant? for phone size is small as well. for computer the display should be lager....
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mi 2 is cool

since screens are getting bigger these days it means that batteries have grown wider/longer but not thicker. problem is that the bigger the screen, the more battery power is needed.

I think the s3 is a little too thin maybe j agrees with OP a few millimeters extra never hurt and if would improve battery life though I never had a problem with battery 40% battery life lasted me 4 hours with moderate usage
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I've always liked the protective-case/extended-battery combo that you can get for iPhone 4. They have it on Woot all the time.
It makes your phone 1/2" longer because the extended battery is built into the case.
If they made one for my phone (S3) I'd consider it. The S3 has it's microUSB jack on the bottom so it could work. As long as USB sync to PC could pass through this would be the optimum solution in my opinion.

got a 4500Mah battery for S3, don't mind the size increase better if you got bigger hand's... more to hold onto, the only situation where bigger is better lol.

I'm a big fan of choice. The way the S3 works with the replaceable battery, you can get an extended battery and new back to house it - no need to have a longer phone with battery connected by micro-usb.
The micro-usb work-around is for phones whose batteries are built-in and not easily replaceable/accessible.
I'm not sure about the idea of the battery taking up the whole back of the phone, I'd wonder how that would impact balance of the device. I think it's good how it is now with the weight in the lower-bottom area of the phone.
Choice, being able to find what suits for an individual. Personally, I'm happy with my phone being as "small" as it is and the battery almost always lasts through the day with how I use it - and since the battery is replaceable, I don't have to worry about babying it.

I prefer powerful battery

i really don't mind to have a little bit heavier phone for 2-3 hours

I think a heavier phone feels like it has a better build quality than these very thin plastic phones . Also a slightly thicker phone easier to hold tight in my opinion!

if we can solve the battery problem, everything will be better.