Just wondering if anyone has found that it has been enabled. I heard from someone the official 2.2 for the Streak had it enabled.
I don't think captivates are HSUPA 'enabled'. Unless of course, you use a non-ATT rom.
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Just wondering if anyone has found that it has been enabled. I heard from someone the official 2.2 for the Streak had it enabled.
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No. Not a chance. Get non-AT&T ROM if that is important to you.
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No. Not a chance. Get non-AT&T ROM if that is important to you.
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Actually I had read somewhere (engadget?) that AT&T will start enabling it in next couple of months for other devices with Release 6 certification
Here is a link
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/23/more-info-on-at-t-and-their-handsets-lack-of-hsupa-emerges/
we found a trick to getting HSUPA working on the Inspire by just editing the build.prop.
Does the Captivate stock build.prop include a line that reads
Code:
ro.ril.hsxpa=x
if so try changing the value there to 3 and reboot. back up your build.prop file first, of course.
I would be interested to see if this holds true for us too.
cnewsgrp said:
Actually I had read somewhere (engadget?) that AT&T will start enabling it in next couple of months for other devices with Release 6 certification
Here is a link
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/23/more-info-on-at-t-and-their-handsets-lack-of-hsupa-emerges/
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Do you really think you will see another firmware update for Captivate at all to enable that? I don't think so. This is our last update.
That story is a complete lie from AT&T side. It is not that they need to certify the HSUPA. The real reason is that their network simply can not handle the traffic with so many devices using HSUPA. Hence, the only phone that was not HSUPA cripled is iPhone. AT&T even have to shutdown HSUPA for iPhones temporary in early 2010.
Here in DC area, my upload speeds are around 100kbps. I'd be very happy to even reach 300kbps (without HSUPA).
gunnyman said:
we found a trick to getting HSUPA working on the Inspire by just editing the build.prop.
Does the Captivate stock build.prop include a line that reads
Code:
ro.ril.hsxpa=x
if so try changing the value there to 3 and reboot. back up your build.prop file first, of course.
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I could be wrong, but I think for the Captivate, the value to try to enable HSUPA should be "2" and not "3." According to other information I have seen in the past:
0 = UMTS
1 = HSDPA
2 = HSDPA/HSUPA
My guess is that 3 = HSPDA+/HSUPA. I don't know if this has been tested in KB1, but I think that with stock 2.1 this tweak did not work (possibly due to the modem itself not supporting HSUPA). If the rumors that AT&T is going to be enabling HSUPA for most of its current phones is correct, then the KB1 modem may actually support HSUPA now, so it is worth a try.
nkrick said:
I could be wrong, but I think for the Captivate, the value to try to enable HSUPA should be "2" and not "3." According to other information I have seen in the past:
0 = UMTS
1 = HSDPA
2 = HSDPA/HSUPA
My guess is that 3 = HSPDA+/HSUPA. I don't know if this has been tested in KB1, but I think that with stock 2.1 this tweak did not work (possibly due to the modem itself not supporting HSUPA). If the rumors that AT&T is going to be enabling HSUPA for most of its current phones is correct, then the KB1 modem may actually support HSUPA now, so it is worth a try.
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Thanks wasn't aware of what the numbers even meant. Just knew that 3 worked on my Inspire.
gunnyman said:
we found a trick to getting HSUPA working on the Inspire by just editing the build.prop.
Does the Captivate stock build.prop include a line that reads
Code:
ro.ril.hsxpa=x
if so try changing the value there to 3 and reboot. back up your build.prop file first, of course.
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We can already change this by using *#301279#, you can choose to turn all HSPA off, or use just HSDPA, or use both.
nkrick said:
I could be wrong, but I think for the Captivate, the value to try to enable HSUPA should be "2" and not "3." According to other information I have seen in the past:
0 = UMTS
1 = HSDPA
2 = HSDPA/HSUPA
My guess is that 3 = HSPDA+/HSUPA. I don't know if this has been tested in KB1, but I think that with stock 2.1 this tweak did not work (possibly due to the modem itself not supporting HSUPA). If the rumors that AT&T is going to be enabling HSUPA for most of its current phones is correct, then the KB1 modem may actually support HSUPA now, so it is worth a try.
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This has never worked on the Captivate because the modem is actually missing HSUPA code. A modem swap is required, and I haven't checked KB1, but I'd assume it to be the same.
foxbat121 said:
Do you really think you will see another firmware update for Captivate at all to enable that? I don't think so. This is our last update.
That story is a complete lie from AT&T side. It is not that they need to certify the HSUPA. The real reason is that their network simply can not handle the traffic with so many devices using HSUPA. Hence, the only phone that was not HSUPA cripled is iPhone. AT&T even have to shutdown HSUPA for iPhones temporary in early 2010.
Here in DC area, my upload speeds are around 100kbps. I'd be very happy to even reach 300kbps (without HSUPA).
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I agree with that. What AT&T and other carriers are advertising as 3G is really crippled 3G and what is being sold as 4G is actual 3G. It seems unfair that iphone has this enabled while Android phones have this disabled even though they pay same price.
Lawsuit anyone?
Not just Android phones, all my old WM phones have that crippled as well.
No amount of build.prop hackery like the Inspire to enable HSUPA on my KB1 Captivate. On Focus I think changing registry values enables HSUPA.
Argh, why did Samsung assign the task of disabling HSUPA on the Captivate to the only competent software engineer they had. Couldn't this guy have been used for something more important, like writing the RFS code?
rajendra82 said:
No amount of build.prop hackery like the Inspire to enable HSUPA on my KB1 Captivate. On Focus I think changing registry values enables HSUPA.
Argh, why did Samsung assign the task of disabling HSUPA on the Captivate to the only competent software engineer they had. Couldn't this guy have been used for something more important, like writing the RFS code?
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I think that guy also wrote the bootloader, unbrickable baby!
cnewsgrp said:
I agree with that. What AT&T and other carriers are advertising as 3G is really crippled 3G and what is being sold as 4G is actual 3G. It seems unfair that iphone has this enabled while Android phones have this disabled even though they pay same price.
Lawsuit anyone?
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Actually, that's the issue. What they sell as 3G IS 3G. UMTS is 3G (3GPP Release 99). HSDPA was added in 3GPP Release 5, and HSUPA was added in 3GPP Release 6. The issue is that AT&T is slow to keep up with evolving 3G standards, however, that doesn't mean that what they are giving us isn't 3G or is crippled, it's just not as advanced as some other 3G networks. Theoretically we could be running at 14 Mbps down and 5.8 Mbps up by HSPA limits, but even with HSPA you can see that AT&T's network isn't nearly that fast.
Now, what they are selling as 4G, HSPA+, is in fact not 4G, but 3G, so you're right on that one.
I doubt a lawsuit can do anything about how they label HSPA+ as 4G, but perhaps if a class action suit was filed against all the carriers doing this (since T-Mobile does as well), the courts could possibly tell them to stop calling it 4G. Then again, no American carrier's 4G will actually fit what the ITU has defined as 4G, since they define 4G as 100 Mbps. LTE and WiMax can theoretically support speeds that high, but you aren't going to see that from any carrier anytime soon. The issue is the fact that there is no LAW that defines 4G, just guidelines, so the carriers can say whatever they want and no lawsuit is going to affect it.
A lawsuit certainly won't do anything for AT&T disabling HSUPA since the network and the phone is still 3G regardless of HSUPA being enabled on the phone or not, and they never advertised the phone anywhere as capable of HSUPA (even though we know the hardware supports it).
cnewsgrp said:
I agree with that. What AT&T and other carriers are advertising as 3G is really crippled 3G and what is being sold as 4G is actual 3G. It seems unfair that iphone has this enabled while Android phones have this disabled even though they pay same price.
Lawsuit anyone?
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T-Mobile started this whole farce, calling hsupa 4g. AT&T had called them on it... then the organization that names mobile standards changed the definition. Only then did AT&T start advertising it as 4g.
So I dunno who gets the blame, I'd much rather they get away from the generations and instead talk about the real underlying technology. Then again, that requires informed consumers.
And hell, anyone who really wants in on their Captivate can take the couple of minutes to flash a ROM that supports it.
rajendra82 said:
No amount of build.prop hackery like the Inspire to enable HSUPA on my KB1 Captivate. On Focus I think changing registry values enables HSUPA.
Argh, why did Samsung assign the task of disabling HSUPA on the Captivate to the only competent software engineer they had. Couldn't this guy have been used for something more important, like writing the RFS code?
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Eh, don't give them too much credit. The modem doesn't even have HSUPA code built in it. They probably just hacked out that part of the code and were done, haha.
AJerman said:
Eh, don't give them too much credit. The modem doesn't even have HSUPA code built in it. They probably just hacked out that part of the code and were done, haha.
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If that was the case, a simple modem.bin substitution with the missing code would have worked. But when you do that, voice calls go silent. Someone who coded this part knew how to make it secure. Compare this effort to the idiots who disabled sideloading, mobile AP, and tethering to satisfy AT&T.
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T-Mobile started this whole farce, calling hsupa 4g. AT&T had called them on it... then the organization that names mobile standards changed the definition. Only then did AT&T start advertising it as 4g.
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No, T-Mo didn't call HSUPA 4G. It calls its HSPA+ (which is a software upgrade on existing HSPA network) 4G. AT&T did the same: upgraded its network to HSPA+ and call it 4G.
HSUPA is still part of 3G HSPA (HSDPA and/or HSUPA).
Regardless, we already know all the AT&T 4G phones have HSUPA disabled as well. Even if AT&T has a change of heart and enabled HSUPA for all of us, old or new phones, your upload speed will only go down, not up because of the network congestion.
The only way out for AT&T is move on to next generation network, LTE, that is not patchworked together with existing infrastructure. That's why AT&T keep releasing these lies to buy them some time until LTE is deployed later this year.
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Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?
tinpanalley said:
Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?
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You will be fine. For some reason there is a registry entry that forces the phone to use 3G instead of HSDPA (aka 3.5G). The custom ROMs out here just enables HSDPA. ATT does provide this on all of their other phones and you wont get charge for this. Why the mode was locked out in the stock ATT ROM...I'm not too sure.
Ok, it's just that it seems too deliberate like they didn't want people getting more for less.
If you have an unlimited plan, as long as you are not trying to run bittorent, you should be fine.
I have thought about this myself, I almost think ATT is disabling HSDPA on purpose to meet the battery life they claim. I have seen no test on 3g vs HDPA and battery drainage, but I would assume opening more channels for data drains the battery quicker. The other possibility is the endless hammering of the network by iPhone 3Gs, so to prevent too much going on they are handicapping the devices. The far out possibility is ATT trying to make some devices look worse than other in the eyes of the consumer, in order to sell more of the more expensive phones (in this case the Bold being most expensive). But there is no actual proof to any of this, so I am just speculating. Its very much possible that HTC is just slow to update their branded ROMs, which is ALWAYS the case.
Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.
wow lots of conspiracies here.
1 MEdia Net is the name of the portal that connects your phone to the internet. PDA net unlimited and MEdiaNet unlimited are the plans that you pay for to get unlimited access. So when the phone says it's connected to MEdia Net (3G) it's just stating it's connected to the gateway via 3G speeds, its not telling you which plan you are using.
2 - The 3G icons - not speeds were disabled to probably solve lots of customer calls. Lots of people don't know that H is faster than U and that U and H are BOTH 3G (3.5G is still a 3G technology) Here is one example:
Purchased a Sony Ericson Xperia X1 yesturday. This is my first WM phone as well as my first unlocked phone. I upgraded from a Cingular branded Moto Razr V3i
Today I go into the AT&T store to have Personal PDA added to my service. For whatever reason it wouldn't let me add it over the web site. The Plan is added and the customer rep tries to configure the phone for 3G as it was only connecting via Edge. After some fiddling we get a "H" for the data icon. Two hours ago I did not know "H" is equal to or better than "3G" ( Now I know) In a case in of not knowing when to stop he and I decided to use to the procedure for the ATT branded HTC Fuze in an effort to get 3G.
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So as you can see, if customers that are even semi tech are not satisfied with getting a "H" on their phone cuz they want "3G Speeds" can you imagine the 500 calls a day about why they aren't getting 3G on their phones and instead are getting H?
If you want to get technical, AT&T in most areas no longer runs a UMTS network and has upgraded to HSPA. Even the areas that are UMTS have HSDPA addon. So they could be advertising 3.5G but that would just confuse everyone and think their phones need to be upgraded somehow.
aruppenthal said:
Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.
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This is exactly whats going on, BUT the other major factor is that the iPhone is NOT capable of HSPA and only 3G. This means that they don't want the Fuze drawing any sales away from the iPhone. You will see another iPhone come out next year capable of HSPA after AT&T gets there HSPA software updates they are hyping up in 2009.
**There is another thread HERE that has a cab in it to fix this. You can also flash a new ROM. The cabs below came from this thread and credit goes to them. "advancednetwork" cab changes icons, "advancednoicons" keeps original icons.
No HSDPA only Edge
I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.
Supposedly in the configuration files, HSDPA supported was disabled per request by AT&T... which is noted in via comments in the middle of the coding.
Newer roms have HSDPA unlocked so we're able to obtain faster data speeds.
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I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.
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The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,
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The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,
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Thnx juluswang...That info should be in the wiki and/or a sticky and if it is I did not see it. Guess I will sell it but what model has both cameras and the ability to utilize 3G and HSDPA here in the States?
This isn't related to this thread, but I just downlaoded a 4.2MB cab file in literally 1.5 seconds tops. I clicked on the file and by the time Opera's download tab opened, the file was done with a green checkmark.
I am loving my HSDPA/HSUPA enabled ROM.
So, is there a cab that will activate HSDPA or give access to it on the Fuze?
Advanced Configurator will allow you to enable HSDPA and HSUPA on your Fuze w/o flashing to a new ROM, voiding your warranty and spending hours setting up your phone again (not that we don't all do that anyway).
Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.
tinpanalley said:
Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.
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Yes there is. I don't know what they are but the Advanced Configurator will set them for you.
http://julien.schapman.free.fr/touchxperience/advanced-configuration-tool.php
I have always wondered this:
If I have a MediaMax unlimited package vs. PDA plan on my Fuze would that have any impact on speed? I get HSPDA connections here in Chicago uhbt I typically see 900k speeds, while I see others reporting 1.8. Am I capped because I use Media instead of PDA plan? I have on occasion reached 1.2 so I'm thinking no? 3G is spotty in Chicago. I work IN the ATT building and I get Edge. How lame is that.
So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
Everything I have read so far has said it is supported, but now that you mention it, what would be the difference, a certain frequency band I guess? Nothing I have read over thus far has said anything about a difference between countries (i.e. US and rest of world)...
aphexacid said:
So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
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Not sure if this is fast enough for you but unless AT&T massacred the radio in the Captivate you should experience speeds like.... http://twitpic.com/24a5ri
That's my Galaxy S in Orlando running solely off 1900MHz 3G.
FWIW, this indicates HSUPA is supported, but I'd consider this a preliminary spec that needs to be confirmed after the Captivate is released and tested.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2430&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i897_galaxy_s_captivate_
Sweet, very nice.
Seriously, once you have HSUPA, you cant go back. Its like going back to edge.
I still think i'm going to hold out about a week or so after the device launches just to make sure of a few things that i need to have.
thanks fellas!
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
AJerman said:
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
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Yes. If you look at my picture posted here http://twitpic.com/24a5ri you will see the 'H' you are asking about in the statusbar.
My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
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My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
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I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
Well that's weird. I'll have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can figure out why mine won't jump on HSUPA.
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Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
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Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
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Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
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Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
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Oh, I didn't see him say that. That sucks. I really hope the Captivate didn't get crippled, but right now, there's no other explanation than that. I SHOULD have HSUPA right now, and I don't.
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I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
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I never had an issue where I live. While everyone else was going slow, I was still doing 1200-1300 Kbps.
Edit: Looks like there's a good chance the Captivate WAS crippled. There's absolutely no mention of HSUPA in the manual at all. This REALLY sucks. I may consider returning the phone because of this and leaving AT&T.
Its all 3g hsdpa/umts
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I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
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AT&T devices do not show the H like the International versions, they use 3G icon only to avoid confusion apparently.
Well on AT&T's site it says the iphone 4 has umts/hsdpa. I'm pretty positive that it has hsupa. So I don't believe AT&T's site is an accurate source of information for their own products.
I just put my sim card back in my ATT Tilt2. It DOES show H in Dallas, TX. As it has since I bought it. Captivate shows 3g. There IS a speed difference.
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
jojorios said:
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
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I'm getting about the same right now (at night I can get 4M down). The thing is that I'm getting the same crappy upstream speeds with my Nexus One. Before the whole AT&T equipment ****-up in early July, I was getting ~1.5M up with my Nexus. Now I'm wondering if they crippled it for non-Apple devices.
Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?
That is a tempting phone but I think I would hold off and stick with the Inspire. There are a couple of reasons.
1. This phone is already hacked wide open and fully customizable. There is no guarantee the same thing will happen with the Sensation. (I am sure it will, but we never really know)
2. What happens if the AT&T T-Mobile merger goes through and they make you switch phones back to something with the AT&T banding within a year. The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
3. T-Mobile Coverage leaves something to be desired. It rocks where it is present, but it isn't present in a lot of places. If you travel at all take a good look at that coverage map.
4. I believe the Sensation is only going to be capable of 21mb down (only... ha) not the 42mb down T-Mobile is deploying to cities like Vegas. This makes me wonder what their future plans are and if there is something... dare I say it... even better coming in 3 months.
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The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
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You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.
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Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?
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Not to mention the Sensation will be tied to T-Mobile and if the merger with AT&T goes through, eventually the data will no longer work. T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios. But the latest info is that the G2x doesn't have it. And the G2x was clearly stated it would have the quad band HSDPA+ radio. If the G2x doesn't have, I would not trust the Sensation would have it.
Stick with the Inspire. It's the safer bet.
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You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.
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My understanding about the merger is that T-Mobile runs their "4G" HSPA+ on different bands than AT&T does so the phones will not be compatible. AT&T wants that company so they can have all that bandwidth, all of those users and all of the towers in the densely populated areas like SF, NY and LV that are notorious for dropping calls when the towers get crowded.
AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year, T-Mobile does not have any announced LTE plans because their HSPA+ is so good and I am sure they are waiting to see if they do get sucked up.
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB. That means that blazing fast 21mb/s download speeds you get will be slowed way down until your billing cycle is up. For the time being AT&T's unlimited is unlimited.
I got the Inspire because I am locked to AT&T with the 4 phones with data plans I have on my contract. I look at this as an awesome phone that will definitely hold me over until they release a phone with LTE, which by that time being that I pay an obscene amount of money to them every month I will be elegible for my 15 month or so upgrade. In reality the only time I feel like my phone is inferior is when I am doing speedtest.net tests with friends of mine that have Thunderbolts which where I live get 20mb down and up. In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised.
Great feedback, guys. I appreciate the help. Still on the fence, but getting closer to a decision.
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T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios.
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This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
http://www.cellhut.com/HTC-Sensation-Pyramid-30632.html?INO=518754
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AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year...
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB...
In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised...
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All good points. Here are my thoughts:
* If the Inspire isn't capable of LTE, then it's not really a 4G phone, is it? So maybe I should return the sucker now and wait to see what happens?
* I can't see myself ever going over 2G of data per month, and I have WiFi at home and office, so Tmo's throttle isn't much of an issue for me.
* If AT&T's data network isn't as robust as Tmobile's, then maybe I should really be looking to leave then, no? And if the voice network will eventually merge, wouldn't that be another reason to jump ship and go with Tmo?
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This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
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Yeah, that would be the cell radio, which is compatible with AT&T, as well as Edge data network (2G).
According to this Engadget article, the G2x may not have the quad band HSDPA+ radio.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/24/t-mobile-g2x-getting-gingerbread-sooner-than-youd-expect-may/
Looking at those specs the Sensation says that it's 3G bands are 2100/900 MHz. AT&T uses 850/1900 MHz bands for 3G. The 2G radio is quadband so it looks like it will work on EDGE. I have an Nexus One that is unlocked but I had to wait for the AT&T banded one because the T-Mobile unlocked one would not work on AT&T 3G bands.
As for the AT&T not having 4G, that battle has been being fought for a long time here. Really what they did is call their HSPA+ network 4G, just like all of the other cell companies that have the same infrastructure starting doing about a year ago. They aren't exactly lying but they are not exactly telling the truth either. They do actually explain what they are doing on their website, but you have to look for it. I am not a fanboy here, I just think people are flaming AT&T even though they aren't exactly hiding what they are doing. They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115944
That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS I might just have to sell a kidney and buy one off contract to run on AT&T's network.
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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That is their definition of what comprises 4G, not what this particular phone is capable of.
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That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.
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That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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None of the current phones they are pushing out with "4G" labels have LTE radios. Part of that "What is 4G?" battle. I really think we are at least 1 year away from an LTE phone on AT&T. Just a guess, but I have had them for a long time and watched how slowly they move on stuff like this. An example would be launching the iPhone on only the 2G network when they had a fully deployed 3G network, and rolling out this HSPA+ way after T-Mobile and many international carriers. Not exactly committed to bleeding edge technology here with the big blue ball.
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They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
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To my way of thinking, 4G is about a speed standard, not a protocol standard. I don't care if the phone speaks Greek or German, as long as it does so at 4G speed. That said, I do agree with you that AT&T (or other large companies) tend to get into the crosshairs because it's easy to pick on the 800 pound gorilla.
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That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS...
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I'm smellin' a lot of 'if' comin' off this plan. Lots of variables - timing, hardware, rooting, unlocking, ROM availability... there's a lot of uncertainty. Might just stick where I am. Besides, there's no saying that even IF everything went well with Tmo and the Sensation that when they're absorbed by AT&T that users won't be forced into an Inspire or other phone anyway.
Understood thanks
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Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.
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Actually AT&T's plan is to be the only carrier that has LTE and HSPA+ so those in areas that don't have LTE can fall back on HSPA+ and still have somewhat of the 4G experience.
Like it has been said, none of their current phones have LTE radios. The Inspire will see 4G HSPA+ type speeds once the backhaul has been completed in your area but will never see LTE speeds when they roll out.
Any last thoughts on this? I have only until tomorrow to make my decision.
Verizon's LTE is fast now, but wait till it gets saturated like ATT. It'll go downhill just like Sprint's WiMax did.
I personally, would stick w/ ATT because of the Tmob merger. When that's done, the ATT network will get better for us the consumers.
If you have an Unlimited data plan, that's enough reason to stay IMHO. All the carriers are going the way of tiered data plans as an attempt to make the "experience" the best for all of us. I don't like it but don't have a choice either.
I think that if you'll fight the urge to have the best now, you'll be better off in the long run when all the wrinkles get ironed out w/ the ATT-Tmob merge.
My $.02
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I say sensation because its newwer.LOL
I'm not ENTIRELY certain... but I believe the incredible S's bootloader is signed, and has yet to be cracked (or whatever needs to be done for custom Kernels/Roms) I'm not sure if HTC will continue the trend of signing bootloaders, etc, but seeing as how it's a newer phone, it would most likely follow that pattern.
If you're into hacking/modding/tweaking to the extent of a fully unlocked phone (read:custom kernels, more rom choice) then get the Inspire 4G.
If you find yourself pleased with Sense 3.0/ HTC's offerings in general, get the Sensation.
As a side note, I'm sure root will eventually be found for it, but no telling when with HTC changing their phone security game up.
I posted this in another thread, but figured I'd start a fresh one just for people's impressions and comments on the new Gingerbread leak.
As with most updates, the only thing noticable up front are just some cosmetic changes. Probably cause it's running Sense 2.1. I gather the majority of changes are "Under the Hood".
A few observations so far.
The weather widget now has sounds. You can toggle them off if you don't like them.
The netflix 1.3 app still works fine in 2.3 as it did in 2.2.
The Unknown Sources checkbox is included.
For people like me who hate the Fast Boot option and wish to turn it off. They moved it from Applications to Power under settings.
When you lower the status bar window, there is a tab on the bottom now for "Quick Settings", which will let you toggle BT, WiFi, GPS, WiFi HotSpot and Mobile Network.
But the biggest issue I still see wasn't addressed, is that under About Phone and Network, it still displays HSDPA under Mobile Network Type instead of HSPA like it should when you are in a 4G area. The Atrix with the GB update properly displays that. I don't know why the Inspire doesn't. So it's difficult to tell if you are really connecting to HSPA or not. Sure the backhaul might be there, but if your phone is still connecting as HSDPA you are not getting full advantage of the "4G" network.
Also so far the speaker quality is just as bad as it was under 2.2. Either HTC has people with hearing problems in their engineering department, or they just use crappy speakers in their phones, which is what I think. Bad components.
Well that's just a few things so far. I'm still checking it out. Hopefully this is the final version being pushed out this month. Props to the person who leaked it.
BTW I hate the new Market. I prefer the older one better. The new one is too crowded. The older one was simpler and to the point.
So lets chime in with things you've noticed different, bug fixed, or new bugs.
I havn't tried it out yet I'm Kinda new to all this and learning pretty quick...the one thing I love about Android so far is the flexibility
I used it for about 3 hours.
1. Sense sucks. Still
2. It eats battery like a mofo. Still
3. Who uses the speaker? Its a dumb complaint. 1/4" garbage speaker = FTL
5. I like the new market. It doesn't matter to me how it looks really. But I don't spend moments really thinking about it. /Shrug
6. Yes I skipped four.
7. Why does the weather widget have sounds? I can roll down/Open the window if I want to hear the weather..... ..
8. I didn't notice the touchscreen issue when using it. Then again I haven't noticed it since I reflashed MIUI either.
10. AT&T doesn't really have 4g man. So who cares what the device says its running on so long as I can look stuff up when I need to.
9. It wasn't Aosp so I ran away as fast as i could
11. Yes nine and ten are swapped.
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I used it for about 3 hours.
1. Sense sucks. Still
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I'll have to give MIUI a shot it's the only one I havnt tried so far
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But the biggest issue I still see wasn't addressed, is that under About Phone and Network, it still displays HSDPA under Mobile Network Type instead of HSPA like it should when you are in a 4G area. The Atrix with the GB update properly displays that. I don't know why the Inspire doesn't. So it's difficult to tell if you are really connecting to HSPA or not. Sure the backhaul might be there, but if your phone is still connecting as HSDPA you are not getting full advantage of the "4G" network.
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Not sure I follow what you're saying. HSDPA and HSPA are essentially the same thing. The extra "D" is merely referring to the downlink component of HSPA. And we already know that HSUPA (uplink) is working because AT&T enabled it in the OTA update that came out at the end of April. Since we know HSDPA and HSUPA are both working, then full HSPA is working. Since the phone is reporting HSDPA, this is merely semantics; HSDPA = HSPA. You can't have one without the other.
Edit: regarding the speaker, the majority of the problem is software related. The stock ROM has a poor equalization curve applied to the speaker, or none at all. In CyanogenMod 7, for example, you can use DSPManager to boost the midrange frequencies and reduce the high frequencies to just the speaker. This makes it sound much better, similar to iPhone 4 quality, although not as loud
SuicideMyk said:
I'll have to give MIUI a shot it's the only one I havnt tried so far
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You won't switch after
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I hated miui, kept it for 20 minutes. Looks too much like an iPhone for me.
I personally, like it but I have a rooted htc Inspire so I have no problems thus far..
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I hated miui, kept it for 20 minutes. Looks too much like an iPhone for me.
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This looks like an Iphone to you?
Already installed - will reinstalling delete data?
I've already installed a version of this that was stock with the bloatware, but rooted. If I flash this over what I've already installed, will it remove my data and settings?
As far as how I like it, I'm OK with it so far. I looked for the fast boot option in the Privacy settings and it isn't there. It's not under the Applications area either. So now my boot time is about 2.3 minutes, which is a looong wait.
Fast boot is in the Power settings.
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@ Tweaked
Who uses the speaker? Umm...like everyone. I am not one of those people who wears a bluetooth headset all the time to make it look like I'm important.
The tinny / high treblely sound to the speaker is very annoying. Also the speaker volume is about HALF of what my iPhone is. If I am outside and wearing the phone on my belt I can't hear when I get an alert or text...etc...I need to also have it on Vibrate to even hear it. Now inside I can hear it. I can hear a text alert on my iPhone from the other end of my house.
@ henrybravo
Yes HSDPA and HSPA are not the same. When having a network update meeting, I saw a paper which had the evolution of the network from 2G all the way to LTE. HSPA was the next step after HSDPA. Granted it's a minor issue, but just because the backhaul is there at the tower, if you are not using the latest protocol in the connection, then you will not get as much as you should get as far as bandwidth. Yes it is pretty much moot I guess between the two, but I would still like to see the connection being reported acurately.
As far as the speaker, yes I've seen some speaker mods for rooted phones and custom Roms, but what I can't figure out is why HTC doesn't just tweaked it themselves. It obviously can be done with software. It's like they don't care or listen to people. I remember when the Inspire first came out. The speaker volume and quality was a big complaint all over the web, even on HTC's own forums. Of course they didn't listen and fix it.
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@ Tweaked
Yes HSDPA and HSPA are not the same. When having a network update meeting, I saw a paper which had the evolution of the network from 2G all the way to LTE. HSPA was the next step after HSDPA.
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"HSPA is the terminology used when both HSDPA (3GPP Release 5) and HSUPA (3GPP Release 6) technologies are deployed on a network. HSPA Evolved (HSPA+ in 3GPP Release 7 and beyond) is also part of the HSPA technology and extends an operator’s investment in the network before the next step to 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE, or 3GPP Release 8 and beyond)."
- http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page§ionid=247
Even if they changed it to read HSPA in the network settings, it is still HSDPA for downlink and HSUPA for uplink.
I agree with you about the speaker though. It is my only real complaint about the phone.
Thank you Fernandezhjr!
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Fast boot is in the Power settings.
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Ya that was my bad. I knew it was in Power, don't know why I said Privacy. I have corrected it in my original post.
wolverine423 said:
"HSPA is the terminology used when both HSDPA (3GPP Release 5) and HSUPA (3GPP Release 6) technologies are deployed on a network. HSPA Evolved (HSPA+ in 3GPP Release 7 and beyond) is also part of the HSPA technology and extends an operator’s investment in the network before the next step to 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE, or 3GPP Release 8 and beyond)."
- http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page§ionid=247
Even if they changed it to read HSPA in the network settings, it is still HSDPA for downlink and HSUPA for uplink.
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Yes I understand all that. I guess what I was curious about, is why it always says HSDPA even when you are not in a so-called 4G area?
Back when I got the phone, before the general public did, and also before AT&T starting rolling out 4G, it still said HSDPA. The only time it didn't was if I was in the boonies and was on Edge.
So whether you are in a 3G or 4G area it will say HSDPA regardless. So making it say HSPA when actually in a 4G area is more accurate.
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Yes I understand all that. I guess what I was curious about, is why it always says HSDPA even when you are not in a so-called 4G area?
Back when I got the phone, before the general public did, and also before AT&T starting rolling out 4G, it still said HSDPA. The only time it didn't was if I was in the boonies and was on Edge.
So whether you are in a 3G or 4G area it will say HSDPA regardless. So making it say HSPA when actually in a 4G area is more accurate.
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It probably has something to do with ATT's "4G" just being upgraded 3G. Same technology with increased backhaul to give faster speeds.
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@ Tweaked
Who uses the speaker? Umm...like everyone. I am not one of those people who wears a bluetooth headset all the time to make it look like I'm important.
The tinny / high treblely sound to the speaker is very annoying. Also the speaker volume is about HALF of what my iPhone is. If I am outside and wearing the phone on my belt I can't hear when I get an alert or text...etc...I need to also have it on Vibrate to even hear it. Now inside I can hear it. I can hear a text alert on my iPhone from the other end of my house.
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Ahh I see. I don't wear one of those snobie, BT, one ear, headsets either. But I am also not "outside" all day, nor do I wear one of those grandmother fanny pack holsters on my belt...... It sits on the desk in my office all day which prolly makes a difference in hearing it.
My HSUPA is gone with the new update. My upload is being capped around 300 again. WTF
Used the leaked RUU posted in this section.
EDIT: hmm weird now it seems to be uploading fine.
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It probably has something to do with ATT's "4G" just being upgraded 3G. Same technology with increased backhaul to give faster speeds.
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+1. The iPhone4 is marketed as a "3G" phone but it apparently runs on HSPA because I've gotten download speeds of 6-7 MB/s out of it. AT&T uses the term "4G" quite loosely.
I may be a minority when it comes to this, but I run my phone unlocked on AT&T. Recently (over the past 6 months or so) I've been experiencing dropped calls a lot where they never used to be a problem. Now, I'm getting dropped calls in my own home as well.
I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Starts-Pushing-Users-Off-Their-2G-EDGE-Network-118679
My mother recently got a letter from AT&T saying that they would replace her old LG CG180 for a 3G phone. They replaced it for free.
It's no news to me that the 4G Slide will only run on edge through AT&T, but I was just wondering if that would be the actual reason as to why my service has been so terrible lately. I know AT&T has a bad reputation, but it has worked flawlessly for me thus far. I actually switched from T-Mobile to AT&T about 4 years ago, because there was no service where I went to school.
I also wanted to know if there is anything I can do to help the problem. Maybe flash a new radio?
All I know is my aunt uncle cousin and her husband have att ( HTC Inspires ) and they can't make a phone call over 5 minutes without it being dropped. And this has been going on for a year they just won't drop ATT
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Yes, dropped calls are really starting to become a problem for me. I called AT&T and they recommended a microcell so at least my signal would be boosted in the house. What I didn't realize was the microcell is only for 3g/4g AT&T phones.
Is there anything I can do to help the situation? I really don't want to give up this phone...
Bump. I don't mind when my threads get ignored but this one is important.
And if I can't find a solution soon, I'll have no choice but to leave this device and go for an AT&T Captivate Glide or Droid 4 (if devs get AT&T 3G going) by this Christmas.
I've been getting a lot more dropped calls recently to the point that my phone is almost no longer a phone. And if the call doesn't drop, it cuts out a lot where I don't understand what the person is saying.
I'm almost positive this is because AT&T's 2G network is being phased out and will be gone by 2017. Unless anyone has a better explanation. Does this mean unlocked T-Mobile phones will no longer work on AT&T after that point?
I got a new sim card from AT&T but it didn't seem to make any difference. Running out of ideas...
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Bump. I don't mind when my threads get ignored but this one is important.
And if I can't find a solution soon, I'll have no choice but to leave this device and go for an AT&T Captivate Glide or Droid 4 (if devs get AT&T 3G going) by this Christmas.
I've been getting a lot more dropped calls recently to the point that my phone is almost no longer a phone. And if the call doesn't drop, it cuts out a lot where I don't understand what the person is saying.
I'm almost positive this is because AT&T's 2G network is being phased out and will be gone by 2017. Unless anyone has a better explanation. Does this mean unlocked T-Mobile phones will no longer work on AT&T after that point?
I got a new sim card from AT&T but it didn't seem to make any difference. Running out of ideas...
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Every time I talk to one of my friends who is using an AT&T phone, the calls either get dropped or there is audio dropout. Of course, they have iPhones (and they are rabid Apple fanboys) and blame my "crappy Android", but I only have the problem when talking to them. When I talk to others, even my partner in China, there is no problem. So, I blame AT&T.
Both T-Mobile and AT&T are in the process of phasing out EDGE in order to refarm the frequencies for higher-speed data. While this benefits former AT&T customers who bring their unlocked phones over to T-Mobile, for the few people like you who take a T-Mobile phone over to AT&T, it becomes a big problem. But, that is only for data use. Whether AT&T or T-Mobile, the voice service still runs on standard GSM and those frequencies are still served by both companies. Your Slide uses the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz for GSM service. AT&T serves GSM on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, T-Mobile serves GSM on the 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz bands, but is now refarming the 1900/2100MHz service to HSPA+. Perhaps AT&T is now repurposing either the 850 or 1900MHz service in your area?
Fuzi0719 said:
Every time I talk to one of my friends who is using an AT&T phone, the calls either get dropped or there is audio dropout. Of course, they have iPhones (and they are rabid Apple fanboys) and blame my "crappy Android", but I only have the problem when talking to them. When I talk to others, even my partner in China, there is no problem. So, I blame AT&T.
Both T-Mobile and AT&T are in the process of phasing out EDGE in order to refarm the frequencies for higher-speed data. While this benefits former AT&T customers who bring their unlocked phones over to T-Mobile, for the few people like you who take a T-Mobile phone over to AT&T, it becomes a big problem. But, that is only for data use. Whether AT&T or T-Mobile, the voice service still runs on standard GSM and those frequencies are still served by both companies. Your Slide uses the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz for GSM service. AT&T serves GSM on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, T-Mobile serves GSM on the 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz bands, but is now refarming the 1900/2100MHz service to HSPA+. Perhaps AT&T is now repurposing either the 850 or 1900MHz service in your area?
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That's most likely possible. I noticed the the 4G Slide only runs on HSDPA 1700 and 2100, neither of which are 3G bands for AT&T.
But the Samsung Relay does support AT&T 3G bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4914&idPhone2=4018
Does that mean an unlocked Samsung Relay will work on AT&T 3G?
gtmaster303 said:
That's most likely possible. I noticed the the 4G Slide only runs on HSDPA 1700 and 2100, neither of which are 3G bands for AT&T.
But the Samsung Relay does support AT&T 3G bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4914&idPhone2=4018
Does that mean an unlocked Samsung Relay will work on AT&T 3G?
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Yes, the Relay would give you voice calls and HSPA+ data on both AT&T and T-Mobile. There are a few other "pentaband" phones (I believe most new Samsung phones are so) that would give you voice and hspa+ on AT&T, T-Mobile, and most other networks around the world.
Note, my MT4GS gave me excellent voice and HSPA+ data while I was in China by using a China Unicom SIM that I purchased at Pudong airport. Before I left the US, I researched, there are two main GSM networks in China (plus a couple of proprietary TD-CDMA) and one of them uses the same frequencies as T-Mobile US, China Unicom.
Ok, so I guess I'm on my own then?
I know my problem is mainly a hardware one and there's only so much I can do. But I'll try whatever I can if anyone has ideas...
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gtmaster303 said:
Ok, so I guess I'm on my own then?
I know my problem is mainly a hardware one and there's only so much I can do. But I'll try whatever I can if anyone has ideas...
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Yeah, you really can't confuse the data frequencies with the voice frequencies. T-Mobile and AT&T are always compatible voice/text with every phone. The dropped/broken up voice call issue isn't from incompatible frequencies, it is because of AT&T's crappy network. Data dropouts, however, would be due to frequency issues. If your T-Mobile phone has only EDGE or has HSPA+ for data, that has no bearing on the voice quality.
I'm not too sure about this but try disabling fast dormancy
Riyal said:
I'm not too sure about this but try disabling fast dormancy
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What is that and how do I do it?
On your build.prop
Enable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1
Disable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=0
Somehow I am having interminent signal lose in our country using mytouch 4g slide. But disabling the fast dormancy did fix the issue.
Before I disabled it I was having 70% to full signal but when using the phone for texting it suddenly drops to no signal. But when I disabled fast dormancy somehow it's stuck at 70% minimum now and never got a signal drop eversince.
Riyal said:
On your build.prop
Enable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1
Disable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=0
Somehow I am having interminent signal lose in our country using mytouch 4g slide. But disabling the fast dormancy did fix the issue.
Before I disabled it I was having 70% to full signal but when using the phone for texting it suddenly drops to no signal. But when I disabled fast dormancy somehow it's stuck at 70% minimum now and never got a signal drop eversince.
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sorry, maybe a little more noob friendly?
what the heck is a build.prop?
I downloaded an build.prop editor app. Where do I go from here?
gtmaster303 said:
sorry, maybe a little more noob friendly?
what the heck is a build.prop?
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If you have to ask, then don't touch it. It is one of the most important configuration files for an Android phone. Make a mistake and it is a real PITA to repair, at least for a newbie who doesn't know what a build.prop is to begin with. Please note, I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to prevent a tragic mistake. That said, you can read many guides on the build.prop and what many of the functions are and there are even build.prop editors that can take some of the hassle out of it.
Fuzi0719 said:
If you have to ask, then don't touch it. It is one of the most important configuration files for an Android phone. Make a mistake and it is a real PITA to repair, at least for a newbie who doesn't know what a build.prop is to begin with. Please note, I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to prevent a tragic mistake. That said, you can read many guides on the build.prop and what many of the functions are and there are even build.prop editors that can take some of the hassle out of it.
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Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where
gtmaster303 said:
Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where
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That one is good for someone who knows more about it. For a newbie (or even someone who does know more), I would suggest something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5qcnVtbXkuYXBwcy5idWlsZC5wcm9wLmVkaXRvciJd
It makes adding a new item (like what you want to do) easier. It also has some explanations for common tweaks, and can make a backup for you.
Listen to Fuzi about how important the file is.
When you want to experiment, why not make a copy of it and export to a computer?
You can use notepad++ to browse and edit it, and get to see the whole picture much more clearly then working with it on the device...
gtmaster303 said:
Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where
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In reality all you have to do is add them lines at the end of the build.prop, While it is an important file adding things to it is safe if at the end, removing or changing things are not unless you know what your doing.
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Blue6IX said:
Listen to Fuzi about how important the file is.
When you want to experiment, why not make a copy of it and export to a computer?
You can use notepad++ to browse and edit it, and get to see the whole picture much more clearly then working with it on the device...
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I honestly don't know how to do any of that. And how would I know whether or not it makes a difference to my phone if I'm editing it on a computer?
strapped365 said:
In reality all you have to do is add them lines at the end of the build.prop, While it is an important file adding things to it is safe if at the end, removing or changing things are not unless you know what your doing.
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Ok, so basically I add a new property?
It's asking me for a property name and property value.
I'm guessing the name can be whatever and the value is ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1 and the other one in a separate entry?
Do I have to write enable and disable in the property value?
Sorry for all the questions, but I tend to be quite inquisitive when I'm treading in unfamiliar waters
Just remember that what you're doing on any computer must eventually be broken down to binary code. Binary code communicates in a series of off & ons and that being the case it already understands that a 0=off & a 1=on. That's my limited understanding of the theory anyway.