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Sprint Touch Pro vs AT&T Fuse

Hi, I am currently a AT&T Tilt user on AT&T, and I'm looking forward to upgrading to the Touch Pro when it comes out. I've heard and looked into the AT&T Fuse, but I think I am going to over to Sprint to get the Touch Pro despite an early termination fee. When I look at the plans offered by Sprint, AT&T can't touch them. I was looking at the shared plans offered by Sprint, and I can get 3000 minutes with unlimited text and data (including Sprint TV...) on three lines for only $190 a month. Plus, with my sister's employee discount, I'll get a 13% discount, taking it down to $165 a month. AT&T can't even come close to matching that. Is there any reason why I shouldn't switch?

MaverickCentricity said:
Hi, I am currently a AT&T Tilt user on AT&T, and I'm looking forward to upgrading to the Touch Pro when it comes out. I've heard and looked into the AT&T Fuse, but I think I am going to over to Sprint to get the Touch Pro despite an early termination fee. When I look at the plans offered by Sprint, AT&T can't touch them. I was looking at the shared plans offered by Sprint, and I can get 3000 minutes with unlimited text and data (including Sprint TV...) on three lines for only $190 a month. Plus, with my sister's employee discount, I'll get a 13% discount, taking it down to $165 a month. AT&T can't even come close to matching that. Is there any reason why I shouldn't switch?
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The one reason for me is all about quality of network. I am with T-Mo in the US, simply because at a mile above sea level (sometimes two miles when riding my bike in the mountains), a lot of the other providers have several dead spots. I work for a competitor, and won't leave T-Mo for my employee discount simply due to the network offerings of the other providers.
To each their own...but almost all providers offer comperable "Unlimited" programs here in the States. Not sure how that is globally though.

th1nm1nt said:
The one reason for me is all about quality of network. I am with T-Mo in the US, simply because at a mile above sea level (sometimes two miles when riding my bike in the mountains), a lot of the other providers have several dead spots. I work for a competitor, and won't leave T-Mo for my employee discount simply due to the network offerings of the other providers.
To each their own...but almost all providers offer comperable "Unlimited" programs here in the States. Not sure how that is globally though.
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your in the minority with T mo i had em for years and they had the most dead spots ever. i have a phone with verizon and att now they both work 100 times better then t mo did but it all depends where you live
and only problem for me with sprint is the customer serivice its awful no one can deny that

Another thing to seriously consider is that the Fuze is a GSM phone vs. the Sprint's Pro is CDMA.... basically, you can use the Fuze anywhere in the world that uses SIM cards [which is basically any place on the planet assuming you get the phone SIM unlocked].
On the other hand, if you're not the world traveler or don't intend to do any traveling abroad, go with the Sprint
Just my 2cents

Some other differences.... AT&T has MMS and Video MMS... Basicly REAL MMS where Sprint does not. You can get the MMS working with Sprint... I think the file is called sMMS or something but its not the same. Now on the other hand, The Sprint REV-A is ALOT faster than AT&T's 3G in the USA... So streaming video will be better and any data related items. And ofcoarse, AT&T has way better coverage in the US... Personally, I like GSM phones better... Switch out your SIM whenever to any other phone... World use.. And the fact that you will have a wider sellection of phones/PDA Phones to choose from although Sprint has been coming out with some better than average phones theses days but who knows how long they will even last.. I know their stock is not doing good and I have heard of maybe some buy-outs so thats never good... <--- There is the final reason... Stability!

Raspster said:
Some other differences.... AT&T has MMS and Video MMS... Basicly REAL MMS where Sprint does not. You can get the MMS working with Sprint... I think the file is called sMMS or something but its not the same. Now on the other hand, The Sprint REV-A is ALOT faster than AT&T's 3G in the USA... So streaming video will be better and any data related items. And ofcoarse, AT&T has way better coverage in the US... Personally, I like GSM phones better... Switch out your SIM whenever to any other phone... World use.. And the fact that you will have a wider sellection of phones/PDA Phones to choose from although Sprint has been coming out with some better than average phones theses days but who knows how long they will even last.. I know their stock is not doing good and I have heard of maybe some buy-outs so thats never good... <--- There is the final reason... Stability!
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ATT has HSDPA which is much faster then Rev A
and the instinct is Rev A and its internet speed sucks video sucks so dont count on it

Raspster said:
Some other differences.... AT&T has MMS and Video MMS... Basicly REAL MMS where Sprint does not. You can get the MMS working with Sprint... I think the file is called sMMS or something but its not the same. Now on the other hand, The Sprint REV-A is ALOT faster than AT&T's 3G in the USA... So streaming video will be better and any data related items. And ofcoarse, AT&T has way better coverage in the US... Personally, I like GSM phones better... Switch out your SIM whenever to any other phone... World use.. And the fact that you will have a wider sellection of phones/PDA Phones to choose from although Sprint has been coming out with some better than average phones theses days but who knows how long they will even last.. I know their stock is not doing good and I have heard of maybe some buy-outs so thats never good... <--- There is the final reason... Stability!
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According to what I've been seeing regarding MMS, the Diamond and the Touch Pro (Sprint CDMA versions) will both have MMS.
That being said, I think it really depends on what is most important. Data plan and internet connectivity are very important for my job, so that is higher priority over call quality. I'm with Sprint and there are SO many dead spots that I hit (even in spots that aren't supposed to have any). AT&T service area seems to be better (based on comparison with some of my cousins).
Aside from that, the main 2 reasons I've stuck with Sprint for so long are the internet connectivity and the unlimited sprint to sprint (since majority of my family is on Sprint). Other than those, I probably would've left Sprint a long time ago.

drexappeal said:
According to what I've been seeing regarding MMS, the Diamond and the Touch Pro (Sprint CDMA versions) will both have MMS.
That being said, I think it really depends on what is most important. Data plan and internet connectivity are very important for my job, so that is higher priority over call quality. I'm with Sprint and there are SO many dead spots that I hit (even in spots that aren't supposed to have any). AT&T service area seems to be better (based on comparison with some of my cousins).
Aside from that, the main 2 reasons I've stuck with Sprint for so long are the internet connectivity and the unlimited sprint to sprint (since majority of my family is on Sprint). Other than those, I probably would've left Sprint a long time ago.
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Where did you hear that they will support MMS out of the box..? Because I have seen so many PPC phones with this feature taken out. I would assume it would be part of the SMS app as the current unlocked touch pro is but I really cant see them enabling this as it has been a GSM feature only for as long as I can remember for PPC. Also, even if added, the Sprint servers block it as tested with other PPC phones for Sprint.

lbhocky19 said:
ATT has HSDPA which is much faster then Rev A
and the instinct is Rev A and its internet speed sucks video sucks so dont count on it
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Sure about that in the US..? I have a mogul from Sprint and my buddy has the treo 800 and both blow away the speed on my tytn II when in a 3g area. I'm pretty sure at&t limits its bandwidth and now with the 3g iphone suckin it up, at&t has never been slower!

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Where did you hear that they will support MMS out of the box..? Because I have seen so many PPC phones with this feature taken out. I would assume it would be part of the SMS app as the current unlocked touch pro is but I really cant see them enabling this as it has been a GSM feature only for as long as I can remember for PPC. Also, even if added, the Sprint servers block it as tested with other PPC phones for Sprint.
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On PPCgeeks, look at the Diamond's manual. Read page 149 or something like that, and it talks about MMS... As far as past and future phones:
Sprint Diamond manual
The Picture Mail app will be available for ACE, 6800, 6900, Q9C, 800W as downloadable client arround mid Oct08.
All future WM devices will have it embeded starting with the Diamond launch. But you need a plan including the service.
And the BB Pearl as well as the Curve should get it too with the right plan.
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network comparison
I have made it somewhat of a passion to prove to myself what others say about network speed:
I have access to ATT, Verizon and Sprint and in the past Tmobile
I have tried to test in as many place possible
Your location is the most key thing, in other words you really need to see what network is stronger. While travelling through many rural areas Sprint is often useless but in more metropolitan they are often more comparable BUT that varies even in areas like Southern California.
What I can assure you is that Sprint Rev A , although some say it can be (even thier ads) is not faster than ATT 3G with HSPDA. They are very comparable in many side by sides and I think any differences are due to a particular network being crowded or not.
As many have said , if you travel overseas then definitely go with ATT.
If you like gadgets but occasionally work in the garden or go out to dinner and don't want the PDA the ATT or GSM phones allow you to pop the SIM out of your pda and into your smaller phone.
Lastly, rarely mentioned (confirmed during recent conversation with Sprint tech support) is that if you are in side by side good service and dial a number you will notice the Sprint phone connecting immediatley and a slight delay with the ATT gsm phone. That is because the networks are different in how they stay in communication with the towers. The down side for this is that in fringe areas you will find the CDMA (Sprint) phone have a much quicker battery drain in that fringe condition because it is fighting to maintain that connection! all of this is my experience but was confirmed by some tech guys recently as I tried a Treo 800

LilRico said:
On PPCgeeks, look at the Diamond's manual. Read page 149 or something like that, and it talks about MMS... As far as past and future phones:
Sprint Diamond manual
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WOW, Thats cool. Although I guess the d/l content to enable will be nothing more than a reg edit as my buddy look into the reg for the 800w and saw a section that said MMS enable and changed it from '0' to '1' and the palm sms app included then had the MMS option. Thats GREAT to hear!

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WOW, Thats cool. Although I guess the d/l content to enable will be nothing more than a reg edit as my buddy look into the reg for the 800w and saw a section that said MMS enable and changed it from '0' to '1' and the palm sms app included then had the MMS option. Thats GREAT to hear!
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Correct, but to a certain extent. I really think there's going to be a small download to add the graphics for that option to the phone as well as enable it in the registry. I also think there might be a few extra things it needs to add to the phone to function correctly, but I'm sure it will be something a ROM update will include or a small download from sprints URL to some where.... IDK.. Only time will tell....

Sprint Touch Pro vs. AT&T Fuze

So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?
...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...
Thanks all for your help!

I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.
I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.

jumping along with this one

Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.
I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.
From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.
As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!

That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.

slyng1 said:
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone

labbbby said:
I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
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I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint.
A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.
...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.
havox22 said:
...with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.

Att All The Way!
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!

garymedina said:
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone
wich my 8525 will be soon enough

The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.

Sprint is better in my opinion
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.

shadowwarz said:
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.
but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.
But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.

I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.
I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.
I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.

Making it simple:
Sprint
+Cheaper plans
+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)
-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)
AT&T
+Usable internationally
+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)
-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)
-Data speeds a bit slower
beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue

Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.
Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones.

Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!

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Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in

I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.

rrider77 said:
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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yes this has been known
but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor

HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out.
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It's half true only.
The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.

Touch Pro 2 on AT&T

Well I decided to leave my cyanogenmoded (5.08) G1 and try out the backflip.
Im miserable.
This thing is stuck in 1.5 (i dont think i can endure that for too long and q3 looks like too long lol)
Not to mention its LOADED with att crap apps..
AND
Now ive lost my $10 a month unlimited family data... with the G1 att didnt seem to care that I had that- now this Backflip is announcing- identifying itself as a smart phone to the ATT network... so it automatically changes my plan to the $25 a month within 24 hours...
200mb for 15 is not enough data... i will surely go over and frankly i think i could go over 2gb (lots of email and browsing... youtube etc)
SO
Will the Touch Pro 2 announce it self to the att network as a smart phone? Will any unlocked tmobile phone do that? I was told that the G2 Hero will not via another post but I am liking the look of the touch pro 2 a bit more- especially if I can port android to it...

Yes any TMobile unlocked phone will work with ATT just not ATT 3G. You will be limited to Edge. Same as taking an ATT phone and using it with Tmo. You will only see an Edge connection. 3G on ATT and Tmo are on completely different bands. Other then that the phone will work as normal. I'm surprised you were allowed to keep your unlimited data plan. ATT killed those off last week. New deals are $15 for 200mg or $25 for 2GB. You may want to call ATT and just make sure you still unlimited because if you just renewed they might has pulled a switch on you.

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Yes any TMobile unlocked phone will work with ATT just not ATT 3G. You will be limited to Edge. Same as taking an ATT phone and using it with Tmo. You will only see an Edge connection. 3G on ATT and Tmo are on completely different bands. Other then that the phone will work as normal. I'm surprised you were allowed to keep your unlimited data plan. ATT killed those off last week. New deals are $15 for 200mg or $25 for 2GB. You may want to call ATT and just make sure you still unlimited because if you just renewed they might has pulled a switch on you.
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Well ATT did not let me keep the family data unlimited plan once I switched to the backflip...
I TRIED to do this quietly- I just threw my sim in the backflip and didnt say anything- but it sent me a text message a few hours later stating that it automatically signed me up for the 25/month data plan.
With the G1 it seems they (Att) did not know I was using a PDA - the G1 Did not report to the network that it was a PDA as the Backflip ( and I would assume any ATT PDA ) does.
What I am asking is- will the Touch Pro 2 (or any other NON-AT&T phone) act the same as the G1- could I tell AT&T that I am going to use my "Dumb phone" because I don't like the backflip (or what ever reason) - have them switch the Family data plan on for my line- and then put my sim card into a Touch Pro 2 and not have them know (as I did for the G1).
It would be nice if there was a list of phones that this is possible for... it would also be helpful if we knew HOW AT&T KNOWS that we are using a PDA - is it based on the IMEI number? Is there an android process or service or something in the background that announces it? Could we shut it down or change the ID number in such a way that AT&T's system would see a "Dumbphone" instead of a "Smartphone"/"PDA"
Just some thoughts...
Also- I understand that tmobile and att use different 3g bands and thus I would not get 3g- i don't care, frankly 3g is not that much faster than 2g (edge) any way.

No an HTC 8525 was the last phone I used where ATT or Tmo didn't pick up it was a smartphone and gave me the 9.99 unlimited plan. The HTC 8925 and up (TP2, TILT2, and HD2) all said "This phone is not compatible with this network, please call support to upgrade your plan." If I were you I would call support and blast the hell out of their ear. You should get the smartphone unlimited plan for $25, especially if you had a previous unlimited plan. All those are supposed to be grandfathered in. Tell then you never would have gotten the phone if you new you wouldn't be able to get unlimted data anymore. Its a new enough rule change they should be able to bump you up a couple support tiers and hook you up with the old unlimited plan. I know when they stopped doing the prepay plans they were calling accounts in for 2 weeks after the deadline until corperate said ok guys no more prepay its over. Then that actually quit selling it. So you should be able to get them to give you the proper unlimited plan. BTW what condition is your TP2? If its in mint I have a TILT2 I would be willing to swap. Then you would get ATT 3g. If you didn't know the TP2, TILT2, and Rhodium are all the same phone but different carriers.

Haha well the reason i was asking about this was because I wanted to see if I could use the TP2 on ATT with the 10 dollar family data unlimited plan... since apparently i can not I am not going to buy one lol :/.
At this point i need to find a phone that works on att, runs android, and allows me to use the 10 dollar unlimited plan without att recognizing the phone as a smart phone.
Does anyone have any suggestions? (other than the G1) Preferably something with a qwerty.
THANKS!

Not sure that phone exists yet, but who knows. I defenately know your not gonna be able to use your 9.99 data plan with any phones made in the past 3 years. They recognize the ime number and know its a smartphone now. ATT even puts what type of phone you used that month on your bill. I used his ATT sim card to unlock my phone, and he brought in his bill saying he used an iphone 21 days of the month and a Touch pro 2 for 1 week. I don't know why it said a week because it was more like 1 minute. But he said anytime he puts his ATT sim card in another phone it shows up on his bill as a new phone for a week.

Thanks- yeh its looking like G1 FTW!

Is there a hardware difference between the tilt 2 and tp2?

jwzg said:
Is there a hardware difference between the tilt 2 and tp2?
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Yes, the TILT2 has a chrome bezel around hte sides where the TP2 has black alum. The KB is different too. The TP2 has an actual QWERTY keyboard with numbers on top. The TILT2 merged the nubmers into the UIJKNM keys so you have to hit a function button then the number. Also the TILT2 is just a touch more modern feeling and looking. Even the slider feels like a higher quality. As for the internal chips I beleive they are the same except for the radio chip for different 3G networks.

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Yes, the TILT2 has a chrome bezel around hte sides where the TP2 has black alum. The KB is different too. The TP2 has an actual QWERTY keyboard with numbers on top. The TILT2 merged the nubmers into the UIJKNM keys so you have to hit a function button then the number. Also the TILT2 is just a touch more modern feeling and looking. Even the slider feels like a higher quality. As for the internal chips I beleive they are the same except for the radio chip for different 3G networks.
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The radio chip was what I was interested in. If the HTC TP2 rom will load on either device, will that allow the phone to run on either 3G network? I'm a Fuze owner so I don't have the first clue. I just would like to know.

The rom will flash on either device, but the 3G will not work on both ATT or Tmo. You will have to pick one or the other. Tmo runs on 1700mhz and 2100mhz, ATT runs on 850mhz? and 2100mhz. If you use a tmo phone on ATT you will just get edge, and vice versa.

Don't quote me on this, but it all has to do with what IEMI's ATT has is its data base, thats how the phone tells the network what kind and make the phone is.
The Nexus one for att 3g doesn't show up as a smart phone.....yet

TP2 T7373 (SEA edition) runs on Edge with ATT. $15 for unlimited. I once put my sim into a Blackberry and they switched my plan to $25/m. I took my sim out, put it back in my TP2 and then called them. They asked me the IMEI # and switched me back to the $15/m unlimited (MediaNet). Hope this answers your question.

HTC TP2: Cm7 vs WinMo
I do not know whether to turn to you below: : Confused:
Recently, they have gained from a TP2 that already had android 2.3.7.
I want the phone to 7.2.0-RC1-Hero Caynogenmod was changed back to WinMo, but only forum I read that the WinMo on how to make android (or next)!
Very slow and unstable for mal (as iron is not present).
Please help me, especially in how the program could be "android HTC TP2 is connected to the PC to WinMo to make him know what to do, and then step by step.
Important! : Sírás: (not just the android to WinMo on the card next to it alone!)
(I want to stay next to the robot, but if more than 2 of the stability and the "speed" of the WinMo is OK!)
A big thank you in advance for your help! : Good:

Dude this thread is 3 years old, post in the touch pro2 section, type is name in search device box on top.

Fun thing I noticed about 4g service while at work.

Welp, here's the background info. I work with AT&T next to a corporate store. I have an rooted Inspire 4g. With my Inspire I'm actually on the media net plan and not the PDA data plan.
So anyway I was bugging a work friend a joking around with him about switching me over to unlimited data (smartphone plan) so I could get off of the medianet plan. I got curious and asked him about the whole 4g provisioning thing that was an argument in another thread. We pulled up a customers account and he showed me, you do in fact need it provisioned to access hspa+. But that's not thing fun part of the story. It's been debated numerous times.
I asked him if we even got HSPA+ where I live. It turns out that we do. I just never noticed it because of the data plan I'm provisioned for. So my curiosity got the best of me. We walked over to the display Inspire and verified it was connected to HSPA+. He had already installed speedtest.net on the phone to try it out. We ran it. And I was shocked. The phone was measuring 1.5 down. We already know the HSUPA shebackle. But really? Only 1.5 down?
In utter disbelief I pull out my phone. He knows what plan I'm on and knows it's rooted. I do have the stock radio on though, and non of the build.prop tweaks that have been mentioned. Standing right next to the Demo, on HSDPA, my phone pulls down 3.5 a second.
Now he's shocked. I'm running straight off HSDPA and the demo is connected at HSPA+. We double check that the phones are testing against the same servers on speedtest. We run multiple tests. And consistently my phone pulls a higher data rate then the demo on HSPA+. To make sure we're not going insane we double check everything again between the two phones.
It turns out an engineer was at the corp. store that day. He pulls out his iPhone 4 and shows us something more interesting. His phone, testing against the same speedtest server, always pulls down around 5.
He informs us that iPhones get preferred treatment over the network. This is nothing new or unsuspected. But HSPA+ connectivity is severely throttled. This is deliberately down by AT&T because the network isnt able to handle the workload yet. There also isn't any time frame when the throttling will be lifted.
This just blew my mind. I expected it to be backed down some with it being a new network that's not completely developed, but this much is astounding to me.
I would be interested to hear from others in HSPA+ enabled areas to run multiple speedtest test with HSPA on and off and see what happens.
Or do I sound completely insane and don't know what I'm talking about?

I would rather AT&T throttle the HSPA+ speeds until the network is ready than to deal with what happened to Sprint's network when the EVO 4g first launched. I heard the entire network went down for maybe up to an hour due to all the bandwidth being eaten up in certain areas.
Maybe AT&T is trying to avoid this from happening?

dacket84 said:
I would rather AT&T throttle the HSPA+ speeds until the network is ready than to deal with what happened to Sprint's network when the EVO 4g first launched. I heard the entire network went down for maybe up to an hour due to all the bandwidth being eaten up in certain areas.
Maybe AT&T is trying to avoid this from happening?
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funny, that is NOT what we are paying for! we are paying for 4G service, we expected to have 4G speeds! (we paying for 4G phone, FAKE!) and we paying for HSPA+/4G data plan, FAKE!).
If i pay for cable internet, i expect to have cable internet speeds!, not 56k dialup speeds!
someone please complain to FCC for me!

When my son gets home with the iPhone 4 tomorrow, I'm going to do some side-to-side comparisons as well....probably followed up with a call to ATT. I was told the Inspire would be faster then the iPhone 4 because it was 4G and not 3G. If that isn't the case, I think some monthly credits should be in store until they turn the 4G speeds on.

I'm paying the same price now for data as I was with my blackberry pearl on EDGE, same when I had my iPhone 3g on 3g. Also same price I'm paying now when I used my Captivate. AT&T openly admits that its 4g service isn't throughout their coverage 100% yet and say that they are working on expanding their 4g service.
Nowhere on my bill does it say I'm paying $30 for 4g service specifically.
edit: I forgot they had specific 4g data plans. Yeah that does suck for those who have to pay for that.

dacket84 said:
AT&T openly admits that its 4g service isn't throughout their coverage 100% yet and say that they are working on expanding their 4g service.
Nowhere on my bill does it say I'm paying $30 for 4g service specifically.
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I agree. But when the salesman says it will be faster and your phone has the check box next to H+ and you are getting less than 3G speeds, that is on them. If they are not giving you H+ speeds, and you are even getting less than 3G, they should show Edge instead. Anything less is false advertising.

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I agree. But when the salesman says it will be faster and your phone has the check box next to H+ and you are getting less than 3G speeds, that is on them. If they are not giving you H+ speeds, and you are even getting less than 3G, they should show Edge instead. Anything less is false advertising.
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I agree with that as well. I think AT&T should limit the H+ data plans to areas where it is confirmed to avoid these problems with customer satisfaction. They have a coverage map and enough techs out there. I'm sure they could at least tell their store associates to not recommend the H+ data packages to people in areas that aren't getting the speeds.
But instead I'm sure they would rather let people buy something they can't use blindly so they can get more profit.

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I'm paying the same price now for data as I was with my blackberry pearl on EDGE, same when I had my iPhone 3g on 3g. Also same price I'm paying now when I used my Captivate. AT&T openly admits that its 4g service isn't throughout their coverage 100% yet and say that they are working on expanding their 4g service.
Nowhere on my bill does it say I'm paying $30 for 4g service specifically.
edit: I forgot they had specific 4g data plans. Yeah that does suck for those who have to pay for that.
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The price is the same if you have a 4g plan or a 3G plan.

Signing up for different plans doesn't matter. At the end of the day its the same cost. The 4g provisioning is only to access hspa+. Its the same cost whether you live in Ohio with 3g or Philly with hspa+. If your gonna get the inspire you might as well have them provision the hspa+ so when it is.available you can access it.
My issue is the throttling on the hspa connection. As I mention, I'm on a medianet plan which doesn't cover hspa. I'm NOT on a pdanet plan. All this was discovered because I was thinking about ditching my $10 a month unlimited data and signing up for the tiered 2gb hspa plan. I wanted to know the speed difference. And then I found out everything I wrote above.
Obviously I'm sticking with my 3g until things change.
Like I said, I would be interested in seeing thorough tests done around the rest of the country to and see if this holds true. In the lower Susquehanna valley in pa the hspa network is.being throttled.
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come on guys, really... ANOTHER thread like this???
Its plain and simple, you are paying for data package, thats it! you are not paying for speeds! This isn't like cable, or DSL where you are paying for speed tier.
You can complain all you want, but they have not advertised a speed that you would be getting, they may have advertised what 4G is capable of, but have made no claims as to what you will be getting.

I'm not just paying for a data package. If all they did was have a data package with no speed reference, that would be one thing. But I'm paying for a 4G data package. "4G" either means something or it doesn't. If they don't really mean 4G speed, they shouldn't call the data package "HSPA+/4G". When the salesman says you will get better performance with 4G over 3G, and then they very publicly say that they are not throttling back the speeds, that means something. Or it should anyway. Whether we should expect to be lied to or expect false advertising from them is an entirely different matter.

I'd love to get faster than 2mb down but I'm not gonna complain. I knew exactly what I was getting myself into when I got the phone. I knew it wouldn't be 4G and so did each and every one of the people posting in the inspire forums. Regardless of at&t excuses and BS.
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OH, well then my mistake... i would like to complain that i have a 4G data package but not getting the "4G speeds" while on edge..

Obviously no one is expecting to get HSPA+ speeds while connected on a HSDPA, UMTS, or edge network. Again, the issue is speeds only while connected to HSPA+ networks. I understand not everyone in the country even has access to this yet. And those that do, service is spotty at best.
But I do think when you are in a full coverage area, and compare side by side speeds, and you are getting double the download speeds consistently on HSDPA then HSPA+, then that's an issue.

Actually, that isn't quite accurate. I didn't know about XDA or the speed deception until after the purchase. I knew that some folks had complained about AT&T throttling it back, but also read that they denied it. So I just figured that it was a case of some unique individuals in poor reception areas.

honestly, i think all really depends on the radio. I wish i would have taken pictures before i sold my dell streak, but i was getting consistent speeds of 6 down x 3 up on the stock O2 2.2 rom here in the St. Louis area. Now with the inspire, i have yet to see anything over 2.5 down x 1.8 up. I was using the same media net apn on the dell streak. So unless the caps have changed in the past months, then i am blaming the radio in the inspire.. but i dont care, the speeds are sufficient for my needs.

mepis said:
Welp, here's the background info. I work with AT&T next to a corporate store. I have an rooted Inspire 4g. With my Inspire I'm actually on the media net plan and not the PDA data plan.
So anyway I was bugging a work friend a joking around with him about switching me over to unlimited data (smartphone plan) so I could get off of the medianet plan. I got curious and asked him about the whole 4g provisioning thing that was an argument in another thread. We pulled up a customers account and he showed me, you do in fact need it provisioned to access hspa+. But that's not thing fun part of the story. It's been debated numerous times.
I asked him if we even got HSPA+ where I live. It turns out that we do. I just never noticed it because of the data plan I'm provisioned for. So my curiosity got the best of me. We walked over to the display Inspire and verified it was connected to HSPA+. He had already installed speedtest.net on the phone to try it out. We ran it. And I was shocked. The phone was measuring 1.5 down. We already know the HSUPA shebackle. But really? Only 1.5 down?
In utter disbelief I pull out my phone. He knows what plan I'm on and knows it's rooted. I do have the stock radio on though, and non of the build.prop tweaks that have been mentioned. Standing right next to the Demo, on HSDPA, my phone pulls down 3.5 a second.
Now he's shocked. I'm running straight off HSDPA and the demo is connected at HSPA+. We double check that the phones are testing against the same servers on speedtest. We run multiple tests. And consistently my phone pulls a higher data rate then the demo on HSPA+. To make sure we're not going insane we double check everything again between the two phones.
It turns out an engineer was at the corp. store that day. He pulls out his iPhone 4 and shows us something more interesting. His phone, testing against the same speedtest server, always pulls down around 5.
He informs us that iPhones get preferred treatment over the network. This is nothing new or unsuspected. But HSPA+ connectivity is severely throttled. This is deliberately down by AT&T because the network isnt able to handle the workload yet. There also isn't any time frame when the throttling will be lifted.
This just blew my mind. I expected it to be backed down some with it being a new network that's not completely developed, but this much is astounding to me.
I would be interested to hear from others in HSPA+ enabled areas to run multiple speedtest test with HSPA on and off and see what happens.
Or do I sound completely insane and don't know what I'm talking about?
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There's a really good reason why you out performed the stock inspire. Your build.prop is edited to use Hsdpa and hsupa setting hsxpa=3, but stock inspire has hsxpa=1 which only let's it use 3.6Mbps Hsdpa with 384kbps up. Setting hsxpa=3 let's you connect to hsupa and the 7.2Mbps network speeds.

RogerPodacter said:
There's a really good reason why you out performed the stock inspire. Your build.prop is edited to use Hsdpa and hsupa setting hsxpa=3, but stock inspire has hsxpa=1 which only let's it use 3.6Mbps Hsdpa with 384kbps up. Setting hsxpa=3 let's you connect to hsupa and the 7.2Mbps network speeds.
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Is there a way to set hsxpa=30 for broadband speeds? Short of that, can I set hsxpa=3 without rooting the Inspire? I'm not opposed to rooting, but it is more complex than I can handle right now.

You can't edit build prop without rooting first. I think if you get temp root it would revert any changes back to stock.
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djeaton said:
Is there a way to set hsxpa=30 for broadband speeds? Short of that, can I set hsxpa=3 without rooting the Inspire? I'm not opposed to rooting, but it is more complex than I can handle right now.
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Yeah you can only edit if you root.

Doesn't it bother you AT&T customers that...

You have no 32GB phone available, and it could be weeks or months before you guys see a 32GB version?
You guys can't TRULY talk & surf because AT&ampT throttles your speeds during calls? Pings also drastically increase. Test it out!
NO unlimited data plan option. Those who were lucky to keep the $30 unlimited plan are throttled at 5GB.
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
Pre-orders are ALWAYS a mess. Galaxy Note 2 had no white option available during pre-order.
All of this sure as hell bothers me, and makes me crave T-Mobile, except I don't want 2G.
So what's with all these AT&T threads? Why are there that many people on them if they are like this?

MattMJB0188 said:
You have no 32GB phone available, and it could be weeks or months before you guys see a 32GB version?
You guys can't TRULY talk & surf because AT&ampT throttles your speeds during calls? Pings also drastically increase. Test it out!
NO unlimited data plan option. Those who were lucky to keep the $30 unlimited plan are throttled at 5GB.
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
Pre-orders are ALWAYS a mess. Galaxy Note 2 had no white option available during pre-order.
All of this sure as hell bothers me, and makes me crave T-Mobile, except I don't want 2G.
So what's with all these AT&T threads? Why are there that many people on them if they are like this?
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not sure of your trolling or not? im on at&t because for me they have the best coverage. as far as having no 32gb models yes im upset but im over it now.

fix-this! said:
not sure of your trolling or not? im on at&t because for me they have the best coverage. as far as having no 32gb models yes im upset but im over it now.
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I'd like if T-Mobile was an option for me, but I like to have reception to make phone calls. Also - I don't think you're getting the 32 at T-mobile.

AT&T works best for me, GSM, Great coverage, fast data speeds, Great phone selections, Great company discount on monthly bill.
I am not sure if its AT&T or Samsung's Fault for not having a 32gb option available for pre order but I am sure it wont be long before the 32 model is available.

Also the fact that as an ATT customer, I can buy the international version and have a 3g working phone. Since there is no LTE from ATT in my area, I have no plans to get the quad core version that ATT offers.

cygnet17 said:
AT&T works best for me, GSM, Great coverage, fast data speeds, Great phone selections, Great company discount on monthly bill.
I am not sure if its AT&T or Samsung's Fault for not having a 32gb option available for pre order but I am sure it wont be long before the 32 model is available.
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no carrier is getting the 32gb models now. i talked to samsung and they told me it won't be anytime soon.

+ best coverage for my area out of the big 4
+ good (best?) phone selection
- HORRIBLE customer service. 611 is junk. 10% chance of getting someone you can actually understand and speaks clear English. The AT&T policies change depending on who you talk to. No consistency.
- The AT&T reps at the corp stores are extremely rude and always expect that you have no idea what you are talking about.... for example, while I was looking at a Lumia 920, the rep said "this is the newest Android phone we have", which I politely stated that this is actually a Windows Phone 8. He laughed and said "does this look like a computer to you?" This is just one example of many.
- The HSPA+ coverage at my home is laggy and often times doesn't work at all. I have better luck with 3G/EDGE for some reason.
- Heaven help you if you have a Nexus phone. They have NO IDEA what it is, how you have it or why it works with their network. It's like some kind of alien device that breaks their understanding of how cell phones are supposed to work. For example, I'm standing in the store with my GSM Galaxy Nexus with "No Service" showing. No amount of rebooting or factory resetting is getting me back on the network, so I assume it's a problem with my account. The guy says "I don't see this phone in our system. You can't use a Verizon phone on AT&T"... I said "yes I agree, but this is a GSM phone and has ALWAYS worked on AT&T until today". He shrugged and said "You're gonna have to call 611 cuse you lost me". Turns out someone somewhere sometime had put me on an "iPhone data plan"...which is somehow DIFFERENT from a "every other phone data plan". I figured that out from looking at my account online.
Very sorry for the above rant. T-Mobile and Sprint coverage is non-exsistant and I'm not a huge fan of Verizon's phone selection.

Not trolling at all.
No one mentions the fact that they throttle speeds during calls to 1mbps or less with high pings??? Doesn't anyone want the option to turn LTE off and use HSPA only? This comes in handy if your phone sits in your desk drawer all day at at work?

MattMJB0188 said:
AT&T RAT locks their modems, making it near impossible to force EDGE or HSPA only to preserve battery life.
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I have to admit, this pisses me off something severe. Let me force edge and HSPA, you dirty bastards!
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MattMJB0188 said:
Not trolling at all.
No one mentions the fact that they throttle speeds during calls to 1mbps or less with high pings??? Doesn't anyone want the option to turn LTE off and use HSPA only? This comes in handy if your phone sits in your desk drawer all day at at work?
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Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.

gzrecoil said:
Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.
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Test it out!!! Run a speedtest during a call. I bet you anything you won't get anything greater than 1mbps down and your ping will be high. Run the test off the call and you'll have better results.
Frustrates me to know end.
T-Mobile does not do this.

I'm on AT&T because in my area Anchorage, Alaska AT&T offers newest phones and when I travel to the lower 48 states I'm pretty much guaranteed coverage in the major cities I visit. Verizon is coming up here this summer so we'll see how they compare to AT&T.

Doesn't bother me at all. I don't need a 32gb phone. I have no idea why I need to surf and talk at the same time. And I don't need an unlimited plan as most places I go have wifi.
At most I use 500mb of my 2gb plan per month. At most. Even with tons of streaming of music.

MattMJB0188 said:
Test it out!!! Run a speedtest during a call. I bet you anything you won't get anything greater than 1mbps down and your ping will be high. Run the test off the call and you'll have better results.
Frustrates me to know end.
T-Mobile does not do this.
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I'm going to check on it when I get the GS4, that doesn't make sense since the call is not using LTE.
I'll probably write a few letters once I confirm and make some noise, that is just absurd.

gzrecoil said:
Never had trouble with throttling or pings while on a phone call, but I haven't been able to turn LTE off. Luckily with the S4, I won't want to since the battery is so big.
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gzrecoil said:
I'm going to check on it when I get the GS4, that doesn't make sense since the call is not using LTE.
I'll probably write a few letters once I confirm and make some noise, that is just absurd.
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Yes it is. Uploads are like 0.01mbps. Test it out!!! I have called many, many times. AT&T doesn't acknowledge this.
If you are pulling 5-7mbps on HSPA+ then you should pull that on a call. They are throttling everyone's speeds during calls and returning them to normal once the call ends.
Pings are significantly higher also. Talking and surfing is pretty much unusable. It wasn't always like this though. Can't wait to see what they do once calls are made over LTE. I bet they'll throttle with LTE too.
Test it out!
And the fact that AT&T wants me on the fastest network is absurd too. I should be able to force H+ or 2G when I WANT TO SAVE DATA USAGE!!! I don't always need LTE. WHY CAN'T WE FN TURN IT OFF???

To answer your question, yes, all those things bother me. But, Sprint and T-Mobile both have spotty coverage and a very limited selection of phones, and Verizon is the devil. (locked bootloaders, losing unlimited data when using an upgrade, etc.)
AT&T is truly the best option for me. Good coverage, huge selection of phones, more dev support since the phones are GSM.

U MAD BRO?
Seriously, what is the point of this thread? You want to force slower speeds, get an original Galaxy S, I don't know what the complaints are about, but it sounds like you work for another carrier and trying to hate on the big boys for no reason

KryptosXLayer2 said:
U MAD BRO?
Seriously, what is the point of this thread? You want to force slower speeds, get an original Galaxy S, I don't know what the complaints are about, but it sounds like you work for another carrier and trying to hate on the big boys for no reason
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I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?

MattMJB0188 said:
I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?
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You can set caps on your phone so you don't go over. Very easy to do. Forcing HSPA or EDGE doesn't prevent you from going over. It just goes slower but uses the same amount of data to accomplish the same goal. I have heard that LTE as part of SoC uses much less power. But haven't tested it myself. Considering I have wifi at work I just turn off data completely and use wifi.

MattMJB0188 said:
I'm a consumer just like you. I am mad that a smaller carrier doesn't throttle speeds during calls during calls and gives customers the option to turn off 3G/4G.
You tell me how its beneficial if my device sits on LTE all day when I don't need it too? If it was on HSPA or EDGE I could still maintain a data connection and preserve battery life.
Not to mention, if I am close to my data limit, forcing HSPA or EDGE will help me by not going over my limit, because its slower.
GET IT NOW?
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Just cause its slower doesn't mean it uses any less data...regardless of speed your still going to end up using the same amount of data...although I do agree you should have the option to turn off LTE, however you can always add a non LTE apn and just switch sons when ever you want to toggle LTE
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