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Sprint Touch Pro vs. AT&T Fuze

So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?
...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...
Thanks all for your help!

I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.
I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.

jumping along with this one

Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.
I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.
From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.
As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!

That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.

slyng1 said:
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.
In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.
I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
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sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone

labbbby said:
I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.
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I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint.
A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.
...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.
havox22 said:
...with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
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AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.

Att All The Way!
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!

garymedina said:
As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.
- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!
- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!
- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.
Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something!
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definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone
wich my 8525 will be soon enough

The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.

Sprint is better in my opinion
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.

shadowwarz said:
sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)
sprint $15 unlimited texting
ATT $20 unlimited texting
this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.
also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.
sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.
i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
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i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.
but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.
But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.

I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.
I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.
I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.

Making it simple:
Sprint
+Cheaper plans
+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)
-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)
AT&T
+Usable internationally
+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)
-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)
-Data speeds a bit slower
beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue

Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.
Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones.

Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!

HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
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if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in

I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.

rrider77 said:
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
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yes this has been known
but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor

HTC_Feind said:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out.
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It's half true only.
The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.

Hsdpa - At&t

Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?

tinpanalley said:
Couple of questions/concerns:
1. HSDPA says it is running on MEdiaNet. I have a PDA Personal Unlimited Plan. Doesn't this conflict with what I'm paying for? And saying that they'll "never find out" isn't good for me. If I'm getting something other than what I pay for through questionable means I'd rather not do it. I don't mind tweaking, modding a phone that I purchased, but cheating AT&T is something else.
2. Is it possible that they one day discover that I'm runnning HSDPA and charge me for the extra data I've obtained?
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You will be fine. For some reason there is a registry entry that forces the phone to use 3G instead of HSDPA (aka 3.5G). The custom ROMs out here just enables HSDPA. ATT does provide this on all of their other phones and you wont get charge for this. Why the mode was locked out in the stock ATT ROM...I'm not too sure.

Ok, it's just that it seems too deliberate like they didn't want people getting more for less.

If you have an unlimited plan, as long as you are not trying to run bittorent, you should be fine.
I have thought about this myself, I almost think ATT is disabling HSDPA on purpose to meet the battery life they claim. I have seen no test on 3g vs HDPA and battery drainage, but I would assume opening more channels for data drains the battery quicker. The other possibility is the endless hammering of the network by iPhone 3Gs, so to prevent too much going on they are handicapping the devices. The far out possibility is ATT trying to make some devices look worse than other in the eyes of the consumer, in order to sell more of the more expensive phones (in this case the Bold being most expensive). But there is no actual proof to any of this, so I am just speculating. Its very much possible that HTC is just slow to update their branded ROMs, which is ALWAYS the case.

Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.

wow lots of conspiracies here.
1 MEdia Net is the name of the portal that connects your phone to the internet. PDA net unlimited and MEdiaNet unlimited are the plans that you pay for to get unlimited access. So when the phone says it's connected to MEdia Net (3G) it's just stating it's connected to the gateway via 3G speeds, its not telling you which plan you are using.
2 - The 3G icons - not speeds were disabled to probably solve lots of customer calls. Lots of people don't know that H is faster than U and that U and H are BOTH 3G (3.5G is still a 3G technology) Here is one example:
Purchased a Sony Ericson Xperia X1 yesturday. This is my first WM phone as well as my first unlocked phone. I upgraded from a Cingular branded Moto Razr V3i
Today I go into the AT&T store to have Personal PDA added to my service. For whatever reason it wouldn't let me add it over the web site. The Plan is added and the customer rep tries to configure the phone for 3G as it was only connecting via Edge. After some fiddling we get a "H" for the data icon. Two hours ago I did not know "H" is equal to or better than "3G" ( Now I know) In a case in of not knowing when to stop he and I decided to use to the procedure for the ATT branded HTC Fuze in an effort to get 3G.
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So as you can see, if customers that are even semi tech are not satisfied with getting a "H" on their phone cuz they want "3G Speeds" can you imagine the 500 calls a day about why they aren't getting 3G on their phones and instead are getting H?
If you want to get technical, AT&T in most areas no longer runs a UMTS network and has upgraded to HSPA. Even the areas that are UMTS have HSDPA addon. So they could be advertising 3.5G but that would just confuse everyone and think their phones need to be upgraded somehow.

aruppenthal said:
Actually from the many articles I have read, ATT is stretching the network thin. The mass amount of iphone users on 3g has put a strain on data usage. In order to buy some time to upgrade some network areas ATT had crippled newer phones. I will bet we will see a new ATT rom in the next quarter that has HSDPA enabled by default. If I get some spare time I will dig up the articles and link them to this thread.
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This is exactly whats going on, BUT the other major factor is that the iPhone is NOT capable of HSPA and only 3G. This means that they don't want the Fuze drawing any sales away from the iPhone. You will see another iPhone come out next year capable of HSPA after AT&T gets there HSPA software updates they are hyping up in 2009.
**There is another thread HERE that has a cab in it to fix this. You can also flash a new ROM. The cabs below came from this thread and credit goes to them. "advancednetwork" cab changes icons, "advancednoicons" keeps original icons.

No HSDPA only Edge
I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.

Supposedly in the configuration files, HSDPA supported was disabled per request by AT&T... which is noted in via comments in the middle of the coding.
Newer roms have HSDPA unlocked so we're able to obtain faster data speeds.

phaze1 said:
I have AT&T and got a new Unlocked Raphael (no not the Fuze) just a little while ago to upgrade from my old Tilt. I use to have a very fast HSDPA connection but now with my Raphael I can only get Edge network. I have of course done gone through the forums first and have the required HardSPL, I have also, flashed my own roms (tried several different ones) also tried different radios, the above settings cabs, as well as the different tutorials on the reg settings that need to be changed as well as of course using Advanced Config as well as gone into advanced networking and check the settings every time but still can't get HSDPA, and yes I did all the aforementioned with all the different roms I have tried as well as the different radios. I put my sim in my old Tilt and it works fine on HSDPA. If any1 can help will greatly appreciate.
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The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,

juliuswang said:
The HTC Touch Pro doesn't come with the correct amplifier that could be used on the ATT 3G network so there is a no-go for you on this. I am suffering the same thing but I am glad I am not paying for it at all.
Cheers,
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Thnx juluswang...That info should be in the wiki and/or a sticky and if it is I did not see it. Guess I will sell it but what model has both cameras and the ability to utilize 3G and HSDPA here in the States?

This isn't related to this thread, but I just downlaoded a 4.2MB cab file in literally 1.5 seconds tops. I clicked on the file and by the time Opera's download tab opened, the file was done with a green checkmark.
I am loving my HSDPA/HSUPA enabled ROM.

So, is there a cab that will activate HSDPA or give access to it on the Fuze?

Advanced Configurator will allow you to enable HSDPA and HSUPA on your Fuze w/o flashing to a new ROM, voiding your warranty and spending hours setting up your phone again (not that we don't all do that anyway).

Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.

tinpanalley said:
Is there no registry edit that will do it? I've tried all the ROMs and don't like them.
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Yes there is. I don't know what they are but the Advanced Configurator will set them for you.
http://julien.schapman.free.fr/touchxperience/advanced-configuration-tool.php

I have always wondered this:
If I have a MediaMax unlimited package vs. PDA plan on my Fuze would that have any impact on speed? I get HSPDA connections here in Chicago uhbt I typically see 900k speeds, while I see others reporting 1.8. Am I capped because I use Media instead of PDA plan? I have on occasion reached 1.2 so I'm thinking no? 3G is spotty in Chicago. I work IN the ATT building and I get Edge. How lame is that.

Tmobile vs At&t

new to android... currently using N1 on att edge... contemplating a switch to Tmobile... latest "speed tests" by PC World show ATT as a clear leader for download speeds, plus they have better spectrum and in my exp. allow better penetration though walls. I live in seattle but travel to many major cities on east coast... anyone offer any suggestions with their exp with Tmob vs. ATT? How biased is Pcworld?
My goal is the use the N1 on ATT until they get a proper android device... couple months I hope, or do I switch now and save the trouble...any advice would be appreciated

tmobile and att both have their ups and down
but tmobile now clearly has AMAZINGLY BETTER unlimited min data and text plans for a very low low LOW price
check it out
not a tmobile rep lol
just a very long time tmo user
and tmo's 3g aint that bad
i dont notice any problems with it

thanks for the reply
yeah im aware of the potential $$ savings, however for me that is not the case...im more looking into who will provide the best speeds/least amount of hassle over the next year or so...i have few friends who work at ATT store who are managers, and I can always get anything done to my account I need to...
I understand Tmobile has "great" service, but my experience with them both online and in the stores has been horrible. The sales reps Ive spoken with at several stores have been sorely uninformed and have outright lied to my (by making up answers that are not true about many things, so probably not malicious lies but if you dont know TELL ME!). The latest episode was when a sales rep told me that they would be carrying the HTC Desire in April, and that It will have a physical keyboard and dual core processor!
in my area, as posted by pcworld, ATT completely smokes tmobile in average DL speeds (1400vs 900)... plus im able to pay $60 a month right now and have everything i need..granted i am stuck on att edge with my n1, but its not as bad as i thought...my plan was to keep the phone until att finally got one, but their whole "backflip" ordeal has left me concerned with their openness to google... I love my N1, even the trackball, and would be hard pressed to pick a desire over it... Im rambling now so Ill stop, but last point is that i would have to cancel my att contract, which at only $175 isnt that bad, considering i just last month bought a 3gs for $220 and sold it for $530...

T-Mo this summer is going to smoke AT&T as the fastest 3g network.But as far as coverage AT&T is a little better,plus is true that lower frequency is better penetrating to buildings,that's one problem i'm dealing now with T-Mo,but the price is right,so I guess at the end you have to look for the best one for your needs.

tmobile plans
just talked with a very knowledgeable Tmobile reap... apparently seattle is #11 to receive fiber upgrades, and will receive HSPA+ around may 18th... of course this is all hearsay... they will also be selling HD2s for BOGO $199 contract... amazing deal... very nice phone, they had one today I was able to play with. Perfect size for me... just waiting for a more perfect android port and ill make the switch from nexus one...
just ported my number to tmobile today...hopefully i wont be disappointed

ieon said:
just talked with a very knowledgeable Tmobile reap... apparently seattle is #11 to receive fiber upgrades, and will receive HSPA+ around may 18th... of course this is all hearsay... they will also be selling HD2s for BOGO $199 contract... amazing deal... very nice phone, they had one today I was able to play with. Perfect size for me... just waiting for a more perfect android port and ill make the switch from nexus one...
just ported my number to tmobile today...hopefully i wont be disappointed
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Did you talk to a rep online? Or was it a friend or something? I would LOVE to have some more info on St. Louis expansion further southward and any other plans in the area. I'm currently on AT&T about 10 miles outside T-Mo's 3G bubble. I have AT&T 3G since last October, but am using an ADP1, since my unlocked Roger's Dream broke. I think I am going to switch to T-Mo when I get my free Nexus, but I would love to have 3G.
Anyway, the point is where'd you get the info, and if you can find out anything about St. Louis from that rep (if its in person, if not tell me its online I'll try some more).
K thx bye
Lol just playin, but thanks. Please let me know

Here in vegas t-mo 3g speeds are better then AT&T so TMo was the clear choice for me. The fastest 3g speeds in town here though are with verizon
We tested using 4 phones:
Tmobile G1
Tmobile MyTouch 3g
Verizon Blackberry
At&T Iphone
The results were pretty staggering:
Tmobile G1 - 970kbps
Tmobile MyTouch 3g - 1023 kbps
Verizon Blackberry - 1876 kbps
At&T Iphone - 200 kbps

Funny noone mentioned sprint. You, being number for reliability and all that.

T-Mobile FTW!
I live in the Bay Area and I have done several speed test all over with both an iPhone 3GS and Nexus One. For the most part AT&T gets around 1400-2400 kbps down and about 200-300 kbps up with a 1000-3000ms ping. T-Mobile gets about 1000-1500 kbps down and 300-600 kbps up with a 60-100ms ping. In most cases AT&T does get slightly faster speeds and has more 3G coverage but is not as reliable. Sometimes the data connection disappears or takes forever to start loading. Once both phone do start loading there isn't much difference loading web sites. As far as downloading files AT&T is slightly faster but doesn't seem to have the bandwidth that T-Mobile when downloading multiple files at the same time. I used to be a long time customer of AT&T but got fed up paying $100/month for data/texting/voice and getting unreliable data service where I work (Financial District - San Francisco). Personally I would recommend that anyone who is on the fence to go with T-Mobile. They don't have perfect service but for the price its a much better value than AT&T. I haven't had any problems or issues besides a few select areas with poor 3G reception since I have switched to T-Mobile.
Cities tested:
Concord/Walnut Creek Area: Both worked really well. AT&T what quite a bit faster in speed tests but loading regular web sites was about the same.
Marin: AT&T = Good - Some areas get dropped calls and no 3G | T-Mobile works good as well. Some areas get poor reception for 3G and Edge | Speeds are about the same... AT&T is slightly faster. (Lots of testing)
Pleasonton: Both worked really well. (Limited testing)
San Francisco: AT&T = Horrible... didn't work at all in my building with full 3G | T-Mobile works great... works perfect in the same place AT&T didn't | Speeds are about the same... when AT&T works.
Vallejo: About the same as Marin.
Hope this helps,
- Victor

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Funny noone mentioned sprint. You, being number for reliability and all that.
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The reason is that OP has a GSM device and Sprint is CDMA...

T-Mobile because AT&T network is lame. They actually told their iFail users to don't use internet as much because of their weak ass network and they are locking down their android phones so T-Mobile wins of course.

Sigh
Ok Ok I know location plays a huge part in this but let me say this, AT&T is 100% trash compared to Tmobile (based on New Jersey), They pay millions to say they cover 97% of US and they have the fastest 3G in the US. When? 8 Years AGO? I did a test with my friends iphone 3GS (new Jersey) with an app called SPEEDTEST, also did the same test (SAME PLACE MY HOUSE NJ) with the same exact APP SPEED TEST on my nexus one,
Results
Iphone3GS AT&T = 99kbits/sec (test was done 2 times each.) Similar results he was pinging about 4000-5000
Nexus one Tmobile = 1,740Kbits/sec (test was done 2 times each.) Similar results I was pinging about 88=97
I then tested my 2G (same place + same app) = 210kbits/s
This means my 2g was faster than his so called 3G, funny thing is, his iphone 3GS doesnt even say when its on Edge or 3G, My nexus one says when its on Edge (2G), 3G Or HSPDA (which I'm on all day HSPDA full bars in NJ). DO NOT FORGET HOW TRAFFIC IMPACTS A NETWORK, it's horrible. You are paying more, you have worse call quality (both network and phone) considering the 2 microphones of the N1 and clarity of Tmobile. So you pay more? Do less, both apple and AT&T limit you, and you have the nerve to compare? Apple is ditching AT&T for few reasons, 1 of them being 30% dropped calls in major cities, and allowing android phones (better phones) than Iphone on their exclusive network.
My point? Why the hell would you pay more and get less? Not only get less, but slower, and sloppier? The comparison boggles my mind, Maybe Tmobile doens't cover as much, this is a fact as well, but man check their coverage map and see if its available in your area, because it's way better in every possible way.
My plan is 500 minutes with everything else unlimited (mobile to mobile, text, data, weekends, nights) Most the people I speak with have tmobile, so I never even go past 200 minutes ever. This costs me 65.34 a month after taxes and I use my nexus one every hour of the day literally. if you want the pictures to my tests, I'm glad to show my proof, email me at [email protected] or go to my youtube page and see my nexus one vids. I'll be uploading some videos when my friend returns to my house, yes speeds vary even by the day or hour due to traffic, but I'm normally getting over 1mbit/s all day long, he gets very bad lag in his network, he pays 120 a month which is about twice what I pay and his calling/data/all around sucks. Why argue? why bother? I've asked my friends with nexus one in jersey city to test his network and it's almost as fast as mine, so i'm not in luck here, tmobile simply rocks after their network upgrade december 2009, don't forget they'll be doing another upgrade for intense speeds before 2010 ends.
Signing off Gslick, email me for pictures of the tests.
Youtube chan with my rooted nexus one = www.youtube.com/user/exclusivegslick might as well sub if you like the phone and/or android.

i am in columbus area and here tmobile 3G is bad, i dont get 3G at all in my house.
i have a iphone 3gs and it gets 3G coverage everywhere.
as soon as i get off the highway 3g bars with tmobile starts going down.
the funny thing is that even in tmobile store i get EDGE with tmobile phones and the att 3gs gets 3G
and no i donot work with att.
my advice check 3G coverage to whatever city you travel the most.
i would go with mediocre 3G speed but better coverage, instead of blazing fast 3G with no coverage

This all depends on where you live and what type of service quality you are looking for.... I've heard ATT and T-Mobile trashed on forums for various reasons.
I live in Austin, Texas, USA... I can't speak for data service as I'm using a T-Mobile frequency G1 on ATT network - so, I'm restricted to Edge data service.
However, my wife has several friends who are on T-mobile and they constantly drop calls. Which DOES NOT happen to us on ATT. Also, ATT has MUCH better reception in the rural areas where I work than T-Mobile (which is VERY spotty in the rural areas).
So, my wife and I refuse to leave ATT for now. Despite my near clinical depression over not being able to upgrade my G1!
Data may or may not be better for T-mobile in the urban area here - I don't know.
I would check with your friends and family who travel the same areas that you do - who also have service with both carriers and have decent phones.
The claims from store reps will almost always be biased - however, if you have a friend who is a store rep who will give you an honest opinion - I would ask them what kind of complaints they hear "in store" regarding the other carriers.
Don't just take someone else's word from a post on this forum if that person DOES NOT live in your area - as they could have a completely different experience and the carriers' infrastructure could be very different.

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T-Mo this summer is going to smoke AT&T as the fastest 3g network.But as far as coverage AT&T is a little better,plus is true that lower frequency is better penetrating to buildings,that's one problem i'm dealing now with T-Mo,but the price is right,so I guess at the end you have to look for the best one for your needs.
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AT&T coverage is not a little better than T-MO, it's a lot better, for both data and voice.
I have no idea what make anyone think T-MO America, who is in dire financial straits right now, has the money to keep up with AT&T's massive mobile network build-out. The truth is, they can't. AT&T has steadily been improving backhaul and connection speeds, is getting ready for 4G deployment and has that capacity in place in many places already.
AT&T's network has been improving faster than anyone else's, and that's why they currently have the fastest 3G speeds on the nation's #2 3G network for coverage. But they are far from done, and any competitor who thinks they're sitting still to be leapfrogged had better be prepared to spend a boatload of money to build, because AT&T is. T-MO just does not have the resources (revenue) to keep up.

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Ok Ok I know location plays a huge part in this but let me say this, AT&T is 100% trash compared to Tmobile (based on New Jersey), They pay millions to say they cover 97% of US and they have the fastest 3G in the US. When? 8 Years AGO?
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You're talking out your butthole, pure and simple. Your narrow view of the network is a paradigm child of your limited experience with it. It's nothing more than crap folklore.

Wow, I live in Lewiston, ID. There isn't much around here and I have hit 3.5mb down and 1mb up with my Hero. For some reason lately I can't hit Liberty Lake with Speedtest. Is a couple hours away up by Spokane WA. For some reason it thinks I am 45mi away from Wichita, KS. Still hit almost 2.97mb down and 1.07mb up with a 348 ping.

some ppl. here are getting biased here.
for me i live in columbus and i bought the HD2 was waiting for it for months if not longer, but was sooooooo disappointed when i got it really bad 3G, next to nothing.
call quality soooooo bad, many ppl. are saying that its the HD2 thats at fault.
but i dont know, i have a 3GS in the house and that gets 3G even in tmobile store where the HD2 didnt
so i will think twice before taking tmobile in the future, asleast FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE IN COLUMBUS.
thats my personal experience, i cannot speak for other US cities or locations.

UberMario said:
T-Mobile because AT&T network is lame. They actually told their iFail users to don't use internet as much because of their weak ass network and they are locking down their android phones so T-Mobile wins of course.
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That's a complete load of crap. It's an outright lie. Maybe you didn't start it, but it's still a lie.

geronemo said:
some ppl. here are getting biased here.
for me i live in columbus and i bought the HD2 was waiting for it for months if not longer, but was sooooooo disappointed when i got it really bad 3G, next to nothing.
call quality soooooo bad, many ppl. are saying that its the HD2 thats at fault.
but i dont know, i have a 3GS in the house and that gets 3G even in tmobile store where the HD2 didnt
so i will think twice before taking tmobile in the future, asleast FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE IN COLUMBUS.
thats my personal experience, i cannot speak for other US cities or locations.
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Columbus, OHIO- right? I live in the upper left corner of Ohio (Williams County) and want to get a nexus one. However, everyone I know has Verizon. I am sick of waiting so I am going to get one now. According to tmobile's and att's websites, att has the better coverage. I was also considering the palm pre plus ($50 bucks for two!), but I want the sexy nexus one.

Touch Pro 2 on AT&T

Well I decided to leave my cyanogenmoded (5.08) G1 and try out the backflip.
Im miserable.
This thing is stuck in 1.5 (i dont think i can endure that for too long and q3 looks like too long lol)
Not to mention its LOADED with att crap apps..
AND
Now ive lost my $10 a month unlimited family data... with the G1 att didnt seem to care that I had that- now this Backflip is announcing- identifying itself as a smart phone to the ATT network... so it automatically changes my plan to the $25 a month within 24 hours...
200mb for 15 is not enough data... i will surely go over and frankly i think i could go over 2gb (lots of email and browsing... youtube etc)
SO
Will the Touch Pro 2 announce it self to the att network as a smart phone? Will any unlocked tmobile phone do that? I was told that the G2 Hero will not via another post but I am liking the look of the touch pro 2 a bit more- especially if I can port android to it...

Yes any TMobile unlocked phone will work with ATT just not ATT 3G. You will be limited to Edge. Same as taking an ATT phone and using it with Tmo. You will only see an Edge connection. 3G on ATT and Tmo are on completely different bands. Other then that the phone will work as normal. I'm surprised you were allowed to keep your unlimited data plan. ATT killed those off last week. New deals are $15 for 200mg or $25 for 2GB. You may want to call ATT and just make sure you still unlimited because if you just renewed they might has pulled a switch on you.

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Yes any TMobile unlocked phone will work with ATT just not ATT 3G. You will be limited to Edge. Same as taking an ATT phone and using it with Tmo. You will only see an Edge connection. 3G on ATT and Tmo are on completely different bands. Other then that the phone will work as normal. I'm surprised you were allowed to keep your unlimited data plan. ATT killed those off last week. New deals are $15 for 200mg or $25 for 2GB. You may want to call ATT and just make sure you still unlimited because if you just renewed they might has pulled a switch on you.
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Well ATT did not let me keep the family data unlimited plan once I switched to the backflip...
I TRIED to do this quietly- I just threw my sim in the backflip and didnt say anything- but it sent me a text message a few hours later stating that it automatically signed me up for the 25/month data plan.
With the G1 it seems they (Att) did not know I was using a PDA - the G1 Did not report to the network that it was a PDA as the Backflip ( and I would assume any ATT PDA ) does.
What I am asking is- will the Touch Pro 2 (or any other NON-AT&T phone) act the same as the G1- could I tell AT&T that I am going to use my "Dumb phone" because I don't like the backflip (or what ever reason) - have them switch the Family data plan on for my line- and then put my sim card into a Touch Pro 2 and not have them know (as I did for the G1).
It would be nice if there was a list of phones that this is possible for... it would also be helpful if we knew HOW AT&T KNOWS that we are using a PDA - is it based on the IMEI number? Is there an android process or service or something in the background that announces it? Could we shut it down or change the ID number in such a way that AT&T's system would see a "Dumbphone" instead of a "Smartphone"/"PDA"
Just some thoughts...
Also- I understand that tmobile and att use different 3g bands and thus I would not get 3g- i don't care, frankly 3g is not that much faster than 2g (edge) any way.

No an HTC 8525 was the last phone I used where ATT or Tmo didn't pick up it was a smartphone and gave me the 9.99 unlimited plan. The HTC 8925 and up (TP2, TILT2, and HD2) all said "This phone is not compatible with this network, please call support to upgrade your plan." If I were you I would call support and blast the hell out of their ear. You should get the smartphone unlimited plan for $25, especially if you had a previous unlimited plan. All those are supposed to be grandfathered in. Tell then you never would have gotten the phone if you new you wouldn't be able to get unlimted data anymore. Its a new enough rule change they should be able to bump you up a couple support tiers and hook you up with the old unlimited plan. I know when they stopped doing the prepay plans they were calling accounts in for 2 weeks after the deadline until corperate said ok guys no more prepay its over. Then that actually quit selling it. So you should be able to get them to give you the proper unlimited plan. BTW what condition is your TP2? If its in mint I have a TILT2 I would be willing to swap. Then you would get ATT 3g. If you didn't know the TP2, TILT2, and Rhodium are all the same phone but different carriers.

Haha well the reason i was asking about this was because I wanted to see if I could use the TP2 on ATT with the 10 dollar family data unlimited plan... since apparently i can not I am not going to buy one lol :/.
At this point i need to find a phone that works on att, runs android, and allows me to use the 10 dollar unlimited plan without att recognizing the phone as a smart phone.
Does anyone have any suggestions? (other than the G1) Preferably something with a qwerty.
THANKS!

Not sure that phone exists yet, but who knows. I defenately know your not gonna be able to use your 9.99 data plan with any phones made in the past 3 years. They recognize the ime number and know its a smartphone now. ATT even puts what type of phone you used that month on your bill. I used his ATT sim card to unlock my phone, and he brought in his bill saying he used an iphone 21 days of the month and a Touch pro 2 for 1 week. I don't know why it said a week because it was more like 1 minute. But he said anytime he puts his ATT sim card in another phone it shows up on his bill as a new phone for a week.

Thanks- yeh its looking like G1 FTW!

Is there a hardware difference between the tilt 2 and tp2?

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Is there a hardware difference between the tilt 2 and tp2?
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Yes, the TILT2 has a chrome bezel around hte sides where the TP2 has black alum. The KB is different too. The TP2 has an actual QWERTY keyboard with numbers on top. The TILT2 merged the nubmers into the UIJKNM keys so you have to hit a function button then the number. Also the TILT2 is just a touch more modern feeling and looking. Even the slider feels like a higher quality. As for the internal chips I beleive they are the same except for the radio chip for different 3G networks.

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Yes, the TILT2 has a chrome bezel around hte sides where the TP2 has black alum. The KB is different too. The TP2 has an actual QWERTY keyboard with numbers on top. The TILT2 merged the nubmers into the UIJKNM keys so you have to hit a function button then the number. Also the TILT2 is just a touch more modern feeling and looking. Even the slider feels like a higher quality. As for the internal chips I beleive they are the same except for the radio chip for different 3G networks.
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The radio chip was what I was interested in. If the HTC TP2 rom will load on either device, will that allow the phone to run on either 3G network? I'm a Fuze owner so I don't have the first clue. I just would like to know.

The rom will flash on either device, but the 3G will not work on both ATT or Tmo. You will have to pick one or the other. Tmo runs on 1700mhz and 2100mhz, ATT runs on 850mhz? and 2100mhz. If you use a tmo phone on ATT you will just get edge, and vice versa.

Don't quote me on this, but it all has to do with what IEMI's ATT has is its data base, thats how the phone tells the network what kind and make the phone is.
The Nexus one for att 3g doesn't show up as a smart phone.....yet

TP2 T7373 (SEA edition) runs on Edge with ATT. $15 for unlimited. I once put my sim into a Blackberry and they switched my plan to $25/m. I took my sim out, put it back in my TP2 and then called them. They asked me the IMEI # and switched me back to the $15/m unlimited (MediaNet). Hope this answers your question.

HTC TP2: Cm7 vs WinMo
I do not know whether to turn to you below: : Confused:
Recently, they have gained from a TP2 that already had android 2.3.7.
I want the phone to 7.2.0-RC1-Hero Caynogenmod was changed back to WinMo, but only forum I read that the WinMo on how to make android (or next)!
Very slow and unstable for mal (as iron is not present).
Please help me, especially in how the program could be "android HTC TP2 is connected to the PC to WinMo to make him know what to do, and then step by step.
Important! : Sírás: (not just the android to WinMo on the card next to it alone!)
(I want to stay next to the robot, but if more than 2 of the stability and the "speed" of the WinMo is OK!)
A big thank you in advance for your help! : Good:

Dude this thread is 3 years old, post in the touch pro2 section, type is name in search device box on top.

Probably leaving T-Mobile.. any suggestions based on rooting options??

So I'm over T-Mobile and their crappy reception in my area.
I've had work tickets opened for trouble-shooting in my area and nothing..
I've written to corporate and was basically told either deal with it or pay the termination fee.. this 2 days after re-newing. Little did I know that you cant cancel as soon as you renew a contract, unlike when you open a new line (Thanks for NOT telling me that T-Mobile).
Anyhow, I'm probably gonna sell my Sensation, my wife's Galaxy S 4G, and our niece's Vibrant to pay the cancellation fees, and look to go elsewhere.
Verizon & Sprint seem to have the best reception in my area, but I like rooting my phones and I'd like to know, what phones or service have the more options when it comes to rooting??

wait... you are not even getting 2G ? as in EDGE?
you can certainly ROAM for free in the USA, back then when i was living there even when i get no 3G i can still roam just fine in 2G and get reception everywhere where 3G did not reach without additional charges

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wait... you are not even getting 2G ? as in EDGE?
you can certainly ROAM for free in the USA, back then when i was living there even when i get no 3G i can still roam just fine in 2G and get reception everywhere where 3G did not reach without additional charges
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Well the reception is so choppy that in and around my condo, the reception goes from 4G to Edge, to nothing, to edge, and back n forth - ALL DAY around my place! I literally have to cross the street to receive a picture message!!
I've just had it with all that and the fact that I kinda got duped by the freakin Loyalty dept themselves, I'm over T-Mobile.

AllGamer said:
wait... you are not even getting 2G ? as in EDGE?
you can certainly ROAM for free in the USA, back then when i was living there even when i get no 3G i can still roam just fine in 2G and get reception everywhere where 3G did not reach without additional charges
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Before I moved all I got was gprs sometimes. Most times I had to use wifi calling to make a call or stand by the street to talk. People could get 3 bars of AT&T 3G in my house.
Now I've moved and get full T-Mob coverage, but the 3G speeds are worse than Sprint and Verizon.
We plan to drop them soon, especiallyvafter they changed our rate plan and tried to extend our contract another.year.behind our backs and charged us $50 in minutes overages because their MyAccount app shoes the wrong minute used value on every phone.
Then lied about the rate plan change and told me there was a note on the account saying we were notified. After cussing her out for about 5 minutes I hung up in her face and called back. The next person fixed it probably just tobget me off the phone. I was fuming.
I'm going back to AT&T. They had much better customer service and infnitely better coverage. I don't mind paying more for piece of mind. Also, I want true unlimited mobile to mobile calling. Not T-Mobiles gimp version cause no one else except the people on my plan has them, anyways.
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I would get a Sgs2 of you can (At&T) or the sprint one. If the big (bad) red is your thing then the Razr seems to be the best from my useage. I work near a red store and Have gone to 2 and tryed both the razr and the 720p HTC and the razr seems more use able to me, but the S2 on AT&T H+ was able to = or beat them in loading web and video. The HTC could not even play 1080p video right and the first one I tryed at the store near me booted up and before I could do anything it went off for good.( I have never seen a phone do that in a store.)
I like AT&T now even if my speeds of 3-5mb is not as good as the 2.5-15mbs of LTE. P.S Yes I did a speed test on cnet and my phone got 3.8 and the HTC got 2.5. I don't think was right, but you never know.

Well in your area it could be complicated would not use Sprint their service is unreliable, so pick your poison, ATT and get bumped off alot from over crowding or Verizon and get over charged and deal with cdma
BTW, I have a friend who owns a percentage in the Arsenal team.....
You could get a booster for your house, TMO offers them, or you can buy a grey market one and THAT will solve alot of your problems.
perroh said:
So I'm over T-Mobile and their crappy reception in my area.
I've had work tickets opened for trouble-shooting in my area and nothing..
I've written to corporate and was basically told either deal with it or pay the termination fee.. this 2 days after re-newing. Little did I know that you cant cancel as soon as you renew a contract, unlike when you open a new line (Thanks for NOT telling me that T-Mobile).
Anyhow, I'm probably gonna sell my Sensation, my wife's Galaxy S 4G, and our niece's Vibrant to pay the cancellation fees, and look to go elsewhere.
Verizon & Sprint seem to have the best reception in my area, but I like rooting my phones and I'd like to know, what phones or service have the more options when it comes to rooting??
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