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HSPA+ Backhaul

I know this isn't just about the Inspire, but kept seeing people write that AT&T will have the backhaul turned on or complete on March 1.
Anyone know if this has happened? I have not seen any increase in speeds at all.

I believe it has been turned on for the areas at&t has the enhanced backhaul deployed. It's not available everywhere yet.
http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=Cfb68NsnGk7 - Check the coverage map and scroll over it to see where at&t currently has 4G.

Huh. It says I am in a prime area for 4G Coverage...

What kind of speeds are you attaining?

Rooted stock rom, 2 Mb down 1 Mb up.

Map currently does not depict 4G
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derekroper said:
Rooted stock rom, 2 Mb down 1 Mb up.
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That's strange, I regularly see over 4.5Mb down, 1.2Mb up.

here is what att told me

I have seen some improvements. By my work during the day I was getting 1500 down. Now I am getting 3500 down on average. Check my sig, that was the best I have yet to see on my phone 6496 down and 1321 up.

Woke up this morning and ran a speed test for fun. Was consistently getting 4.1-4.3 mbps down (topped out at 4.5) with 1.3 mbps up. Previously i was getting around 3.3 down and 1.3 up. Running Android Rev 2.1. Will be traveling a bit today and will do more tests.

derekroper said:
I know this isn't just about the Inspire, but kept seeing people write that AT&T will have the backhaul turned on or complete on March 1.
Anyone know if this has happened? I have not seen any increase in speeds at all.
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that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha

2kgt said:
I believe it has been turned on for the areas at&t has the enhanced backhaul deployed. It's not available everywhere yet.
http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=Cfb68NsnGk7 - Check the coverage map and scroll over it to see where at&t currently has 4G.
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I live smack dab in the middle of the 4G coverage in San Francisco, and my phone is still showing HSDPA and getting about 1.5mbps-3mbps... certainly not the "4G" like speeds they depict.

netnerd said:
that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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I agree with your comments 100% here. I've yet to see a snapshot of network settings showing HSPA+ ... everyone still shows HSDPA.... and the speeds are reflective of such.

netnerd said:
that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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How many times are you going to post these ignorant comments? Your statements have absolutely zero credibility and you've consistently displayed the fact that your knowledge of at&t's network is nonexistent.
HSPA+ has been officially recognized as 4G and the speeds attained by it are similar to current capabilities of WiMax and LTE. T-Mobile's 4G network is also HSPA+.
The network enhancements have not yet been rolled out to all areas, so you will not get 4G speed simply by using an 4G capable phone. I personally have seen over 4.5 Mbs down and I'm in an area where at&t doesn't even show the enhanced backhaul to be deployed.
You're more than welcome to do actual research into at&t's ongoing network improvements, so you will be better informed on this matter.

2kgt said:
How many times are you going to post these ignorant comments? Your statements have absolutely zero credibility and you've consistently displayed the fact that your knowledge of at&t's network is nonexistent.
HSPA+ has been officially recognized as 4G and the speeds attained by it are similar to current capabilities of WiMax and LTE. T-Mobile's 4G network is also HSPA+.
The network enhancements have not yet been rolled out to all areas, so you will not get 4G speed simply by using an 4G capable phone. I personally have seen over 4.5 Mbs down and I'm in an area where at&t doesn't even show the enhanced backhaul to be deployed.
You're more than welcome to do actual research into at&t's ongoing network improvements, so you will be better informed on this matter.
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Wow, you're the poster child for AT&T's marketing campaign.
He is actually 100% right. It's 3G rebranded as 4G, hence why AT&T is legally obligated to put fine print on everything, saying "4G-like speed" ... HSPA+ is NOT accepted as 4G, it's only MARKETED as such to try and gain acceptance from consumers.

If you don't like AT&T then switch.......... If you don't have AT&T leave us alone.
netnerd said:
that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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droe411 said:
If you don't like AT&T then switch.......... If you don't have AT&T leave us alone.
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I don't have a problem with the speeds I'm getting. Compared to Verizon and Sprint, AT&T is 2X as fast in every major metro area TODAY.
I don't care if it's real 4G or 3.5G or 3G... even at 3G their average speed nationwide IS faster than Verizon. Great I can use Verizon LTE in San Francisco, but what about when I'm in Billings, or Ft Lauderdale, or Scottsdale? Back on their 3G network, which runs at about 700k... no thanks!
The bottom line is I think those of us on this forum are just upset that they're trying to sell the network as 4G, and it's not. However if you were a business and both Sprint and Verizon are deploying 4G, you have to do something to compete or watch customers flock to the next best thing. By advertising 4G-like speeds, they get around the legal issues surrounding false advertising, and at the end of the day, the consumer really gets the same experience. YouTube doesn't look any better at 8mbps than it does at 1mbps... and www.tmz.com loads just as fast at 2mbps as it does at 5mbps... The only impact is on those who tether\use data cards, really.
If they marketed it as "ATT 4.0" or "Verizon 4.0" and both delivered 4.0 mbps speed, would you really CARE what technology they use? No, but stupid Americans only respond to silly marketing names (aka Inspire, Desire, Droid, Aria, Evo, MyTouch, Captivate, Intercept... blah blah blah)... if they called it a HTC 5450, or a Samsung X9014, people would be afraid of it.... the only reason Blackberry was able to break into the consumer market was by adding names like Bold, Curve, Storm... BOOM, you have my attention! lol
So thank all of the dumb people (mostly those 99% not on this forum), for requiring things dumbed down for them that caused the whole 3\3.5\4G naming debacle. hehe

Here is a speed test I just ran.

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Here is a speed test I just ran.
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Mine to your same server.
**** My results are common for middle of the day on a business day in San Francisco. The network here usually runs at about 50% of the speed as it does at night... it's real bad, but always been this way ****

4G not implimented yet!!?? plus more

ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
if you use adw launcher and custom make an icon attached to the hidden menu apk you can access the test and servicing menus like other phones BUT... if you go into test settings for phone (play around its in there) there is a menu the shows hspda (3g, hspda+ being 4g) and many other functions that are advertised on the phone that are all listed as NOT IMPLIMENTED YET!!
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming). so it would make sense why the signal on the phone is screwed up and dropping (confused phone maybe?) and why im still getting 3g speeds (slightly faster maybe from better signal reception due to upgraded hardware from my previous Vibrant).
go take a look for yourself and let me know what you think. im sure you can use desktop visualizer to get to the menu to. DONT MESS WITH ANYTHING THOUGH. i had to reset my phone and not with a hard reset, but a recovery i found on a nvflash website. almost bricked it. so just look but don't touch anything important unless you know what your doing.
im looking forward to hearing what everything thinks of this and the giant list of other features also saying this in the same menu. because i feel mislead just a little bit.....

I think it's just that the functions in the hidden menu aren't implemented yet.

Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well

Dolphinwigs said:
ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
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There's a reason for that...
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming)
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I've got a hot 4g connection where I am (west Texas), you don't get 4.9-5.6mb (Speedtest) download on 3g. Did you check the T-Mobile coverage map to see if you have it in your area yet?
Edit: you also may need a new sim card. Depending on the age of the card, you might not be able to get a stable lock on to 4g (age as in what generation it was produced.. not how long you've had it)

thats possible, but im getting 3g speeds still as far as i can tell and i don't see why it wouldnt be included in the "hidden menu" if it is working since we aren't "really" supposed to know about the hidden menu. anyways just something i noticed.
menu is Hidden Menu->modem settings is where the menu is at.
and i got a new sim card (tired 2 new ones both the same) and yes i am in salt lake city and it is a 4g area for tmobile. but seems like everyone (mostly) is getting signal drops all over the place. my 2g isn't working as consistantly as it did before on my vibrant either. im sure gingerbread will fix all of this though.

I'm getting 4-8mps down in Metro Atlanta. I say 4G speed is on.

jdkackley said:
Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well
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I'm having the same problem, and I've even got a 2G booster in my house. My 2G connection drops all the time on my G2X but not my Vibrant. When I look at the signal strength when it's up it's not much different than the Vibrant, -104dBm on the G2X vs -100 dBm on the Vibrant

Im at a consistent 6-9mb dl at my house with a 1mb+ ul. Im calling it 4g and have you tried your conn outside of your city to see if its just congestion on the network?

I'm also getting 4-8mbps speeds in Atlanta, 4g is definitely working.

I'm in vegas, every hour, I get only 10 or 20mn of 4g at 6Mb download speed, the rest of the time I'm on 2g. At night time,i get 4g most of the time. So I guess in the day time, they kick me back to 2g to save their bandwitch, I'm returning my phone to let them know this is not acceptable
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My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.

jrharvey said:
My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.
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Not sure but this may have as much to do with the processor and RAM speed as the connection speed.

I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+

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I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+
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I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.

A few things, before we get too heavy handed on the FUD:
The phone is technically '4G' compatible, and it supports it out of the box.
Most of T-Mo's towers have been upgraded to support their 4G (HSPA+)
Regular HSPA caps out at about 3.5Mbps down. I've gotten as much as 7Mbps down on my G2x
Personally, I haven't had many issues with signal, but I live in Houston, so that may have something to do with it.

4g is on in Huntington Beach, and irvine.
I did notice its not a huge difference speed wise though. I had the moto cliq 3g and i would get 1mbs ish to 5mbs DL, and with the G2x im averaging about 3mbs to 7mbs. not a huge difference but the big change is Latency. I used to rock 700ms to 1000ms on 3g with my cliq, im getting around 55ms to 150ms on my G2x.
Latency is key for me though, i would prefer lower latency than higher download speeds. Due to the fact I need to vpn and voip with company network.
I found that t mobiles 3g network is still very capable in speed. the main issue i had was my cliq was underpowered to handle the t mobiles network. when i would tether my rooted nook color it would perform like a champ.

jimbo831 said:
I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.
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Where do you live? Is it possible T-Mo may not support HSPA+ in your area?
It's also important to note that even if the towers you're connected to support HSPA+, that's only one part of the process. They also have to upgrade the data connection to the tower itself (backhaul) to ensure it can handle the speeds. If you're connected to an HSPA+ tower that doesn't have the upgraded backhaul, that could explain slow speeds.

No.
HSPA+ ("4G") is on and working. You're just not in an HSPA+ area it seems.
We're all getting faster than HSPA speeds, so we are certainly on HSPA+. Speedtests are the best way for you to verify if you are on EDGE (2G), HSPA (3G), or HSPA+ (4G).

I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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pychobj2001 said:
I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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That's the thing though. The way T-Mo has their network setup, if you can get 3G from a tower, you should be able to get 4G. Period. You may not get 4G speeds, but you're technically connected to an HSPA+ tower, and thus the 4G icon. It'd be weird to connect a tower that supports HSPA at this point, but not HSPA+ (though I'm sure there are some out there)

Has anyone EVER seen "3g" displayed on their status bar on this phone?

I have only ever seen it say 2g or 4g. I don't have the best coverage so I didn't think much of it, but a friend I'm Chicago is reporting the same issue.
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Same here. TMobile has to figure this out. My brother's G2 goes from 3G to H.
Mine goes from 2G to 4G.
Make it a standard as to what shows up on the screen. My understanding it even when it says 4G, you may be in 3G. Only way to know is go into network settings or run a speed test.
Kind of stupid in my opinion.

Yeah, it's not a big deal really, just annoying.
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the exact reason given to me by tmobile is that our phones only register gsm(2g) and wdcma(3G and 4G both fall under this on tmobile) so without really checking at anytime 4g could be 3g its fast either way but annoying none the less

Same here...

So the phone just doesn't ever display 3g? When I'm on the 3g network it will show 4g? Sounds a little bit like false advertising to me. I really don't care too much, but if I am getting less than 1mb down and the phone claims to be on 4g it's kinda bs.
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From what I understand, if you go to Settings > About Phone > Status > Mobile Network Type.
If it says UMTS, then your on 3G
If it says HSDPA or HSPA or HSPA+ then your on 4G.
I could be wrong, when Im out and about driving, I can run a speed test and hit 10-12 Mbps and the settings will still read as UMTS even though that appears to be 4G speeds.

jsauce75 said:
So the phone just doesn't ever display 3g? When I'm on the 3g network it will show 4g? Sounds a little bit like false advertising to me. I really don't care too much, but if I am getting less than 1mb down and the phone claims to be on 4g it's kinda bs.
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Thats exactly what im going through now. My phone right now for example shows "4G" in the status bar, but Settings/About Phone shows "UMTS" doing a speed test right now, my speeds are Download-0.53 Mbps Upload 0.41
I agree this is BS.
Tried calling TMobile to explain how the coverage map for my area says 100% complete 4G coverage but my speeds are slow as ****. Tried complaining so I can get out my contract and go to Sprint but they say as long as voice calling works slow data speeds dont permit to break contract.
But TMobile and there whole 4G compain definetly is false advertising.

ive gotten 3 or 4 different answers from various reps at tmobile but there all terrible i get fast enough service all around me even edge runs well enough but i wish they would show 3g when its 3g they act like they have amazing 4g coverage but all the new 4g phones do this at least i know the sidekick 4g does and correct me if im wrong but the g2 does as well its just a marketing scam

Hey i work for t-mobile and have the G2x. I hosted an event for the launch of the phone and had my LG rep there. She explained that LG actually forgot to put the 3G indicator on the phone. LG is supposed to be putting out a software update for that as well as the terrible battery life on their website very soon. Lets keep our fingers crossed

Ummmmm oops....
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Helluva thing to forget. If it's true.

I hope they do!!!
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Personally, I think they need to do with the G2x like they did with the ipad... stop all manufacturing of the item, until all ends and malfunctions are corrected.
including software & hardware. They're just sending stuff out, and in the end sticking it to the consumer by giving them less than quality standard work for the same amount of money they would expect to receive for something put together and functioning "correctly"
(p.s. before i get the "apple made the ipad" bull, LG created the screens, hence the same "bleeding" "light leaks" in the new ipad 2, also Samsung took over when they halted the production of LG screens)

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Hey i work for t-mobile and have the G2x. I hosted an event for the launch of the phone and had my LG rep there. She explained that LG actually forgot to put the 3G indicator on the phone. LG is supposed to be putting out a software update for that as well as the terrible battery life on their website very soon. Lets keep our fingers crossed
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Well this is a lie they didnt forget anything LOL.
Look at the G2 for example which is made by HTC. It will show 2G/E or H. You will never see 3G symbol on the G2. Unless you install one of those custom roms where then the dev make the phone switch between H and 4G / 3G depending on data traffic.
Well I had bad 4G speeds in my part of town for years I finally gave up on tmobile today. Sold my G2x on craigslist and picked up a Nexus S 4G with Sprint.
I now get atleast 10 Mbps on avarage now. Proof is in the signature.

I think that might be going a little too far, but I haven't had too many major issues thus far. Just little annoying things that should be fixed with updates.
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I have an Evo and on the stock Sense ROM, the phone will display 3G even on 1x (the CDMA equivalent of EDGE). If I hop to CyanogenMod or any Sense ROM ported from another HTC phone, it'll show 1x when I roam/send a text. Also Sense ROMs have like 6 signal bars.
It's all about what the carrier wants. Hell, they could make it say 4G all the time if they want. It's weird though that they show 2G and not 3G.

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Well this is a lie they didnt forget anything LOL.
Look at the G2 for example which is made by HTC. It will show 2G/E or H. You will never see 3G symbol on the G2. Unless you install one of those custom roms where then the dev make the phone switch between H and 4G / 3G depending on data traffic.
Well I had bad 4G speeds in my part of town for years I finally gave up on tmobile today. Sold my G2x on craigslist and picked up a Nexus S 4G with Sprint.
I now get atleast 10 Mbps on avarage now. Proof is in the signature.
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You also won't get any indication that you're on hspa+, either. Just sayin', it goes both ways. You're losing something no matter what.
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I have to put my two cents in on speeds.
I started (my smarty phone odyssey) on Metropcs in Feb....most speed test ever showed was like 1.6mbps...once. Mostly at 1.4-1.5. I was very unhappy with that. Between these speeds, battery issues, no support (from Samsung), I had enuff and went to Sprint. I saw around1.0 Mbps in the beginning. When I complained, they made an adjustment on their end amd it got worse! My average was .65 up and down. Then I went back to Metro. Seems they are suddenly having speed issues. Couldn't get more than about .80, with the same other issues as before. So I've purchased the G2x.
Got two yesterday!!
Both have bleed. Doesn't bother me as it is though. Just noticeable when screen is black. It IS bs, but not a dealbreaker, if it doesn't get worse.
I see people talking about speeds of 8 and 9Mbps and I say I'd be happy with a third of that.
Personally I don't think speedtest is accurate. But I never see that discussed.
T Mobile is supposed to activate these tomorrow. I'll post my speeds. If I get anything above 4.0, I'll be in heaven.
I have looked at youtube videos via wifi and am in awe of this device. Really smooth playback. Wow. Better than the Indulge AND the Evo IMO.
My new phone is supposed to activate tommorow. Can't wait
Oh and I'm in the Dallas market. I'm on top of DFW airport. Dallas is Metros home market so system is overall good here, but I'm in a bit of a dip so reception can be an issue in my home.

ickster said:
I have to put my two cents in on speeds.
I started (my smarty phone odyssey) on Metropcs in Feb....most speed test ever showed was like 1.6mbps...once. Mostly at 1.4-1.5. I was very unhappy with that. Between these speeds, battery issues, no support (from Samsung), I had enuff and went to Sprint. I saw around1.0 Mbps in the beginning. When I complained, they made an adjustment on their end amd it got worse! My average was .65 up and down. Then I went back to Metro. Seems they are suddenly having speed issues. Couldn't get more than about .80, with the same other issues as before. So I've purchased the G2x.
Got two yesterday!!
Both have bleed. Doesn't bother me as it is though. Just noticeable when screen is black. It IS bs, but not a dealbreaker, if it doesn't get worse.
I see people talking about speeds of 8 and 9Mbps and I say I'd be happy with a third of that.
Personally I don't think speedtest is accurate. But I never see that discussed.
T Mobile is supposed to activate these tomorrow. I'll post my speeds. If I get anything above 4.0, I'll be in heaven.
I have looked at youtube videos via wifi and am in awe of this device. Really smooth playback. Wow. Better than the Indulge AND the Evo IMO.
My new phone is supposed to activate tommorow. Can't wait
Oh and I'm in the Dallas market. I'm on top of DFW airport. Dallas is Metros home market so system is overall good here, but I'm in a bit of a dip so reception can be an issue in my home.
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Sprint's been having nationwide issues for like the last 5 months. On 4G, I used to get 15 Mbps, now I get 1 Mbps. On 3G, I get 300 kbps tops. Their network is overcrowded, according to higherups I spoke to. They said it'll be fixed end of June. Not good enough.

Data Network Speed Fix for AT&T

I wish there was a fix for our infuse to get better data download and upload like this fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584409
the above fix made a huge difference on my windows phone.
just a thought and please don't flame.

we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.

Be ready...

Dani897 said:
we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.
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Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
but that fix makes a huge difference.

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Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
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are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.

Dani897 said:
are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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try both phones on a speed test website like speakeasy.com

Dani897 said:
are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.

Ltilt2 said:
I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it's always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.
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what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.

Dani897 said:
what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.
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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
Before I did the fix to the tilt2, oh boy, it sucked try getting a connection but after the fix, I connect every time and this was and is with 1 bar.
That's why I was saying, I wish we could get a fix, to get hdpa or h+ on the infuse all the time. I'm sure hdpa is supported everywhere.

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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
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1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.

I forgot maybe 2 weeks ago there was a thread about changing the packet size of the data to speed things up... I think that helped a little, but I have no idea since I usually have pretty good signal

bradbusa said:
1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.
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I know the problem is that I dont have good reception at home.....this only happens at home...but what I'm saying is that my tilt2 had the same problem with reception but after I did the dataspeed fix, I didn't have that problem any more...comprende????

What's your impressions of the Gingerbread leak?

I posted this in another thread, but figured I'd start a fresh one just for people's impressions and comments on the new Gingerbread leak.
As with most updates, the only thing noticable up front are just some cosmetic changes. Probably cause it's running Sense 2.1. I gather the majority of changes are "Under the Hood".
A few observations so far.
The weather widget now has sounds. You can toggle them off if you don't like them.
The netflix 1.3 app still works fine in 2.3 as it did in 2.2.
The Unknown Sources checkbox is included.
For people like me who hate the Fast Boot option and wish to turn it off. They moved it from Applications to Power under settings.
When you lower the status bar window, there is a tab on the bottom now for "Quick Settings", which will let you toggle BT, WiFi, GPS, WiFi HotSpot and Mobile Network.
But the biggest issue I still see wasn't addressed, is that under About Phone and Network, it still displays HSDPA under Mobile Network Type instead of HSPA like it should when you are in a 4G area. The Atrix with the GB update properly displays that. I don't know why the Inspire doesn't. So it's difficult to tell if you are really connecting to HSPA or not. Sure the backhaul might be there, but if your phone is still connecting as HSDPA you are not getting full advantage of the "4G" network.
Also so far the speaker quality is just as bad as it was under 2.2. Either HTC has people with hearing problems in their engineering department, or they just use crappy speakers in their phones, which is what I think. Bad components.
Well that's just a few things so far. I'm still checking it out. Hopefully this is the final version being pushed out this month. Props to the person who leaked it.
BTW I hate the new Market. I prefer the older one better. The new one is too crowded. The older one was simpler and to the point.
So lets chime in with things you've noticed different, bug fixed, or new bugs.

I havn't tried it out yet I'm Kinda new to all this and learning pretty quick...the one thing I love about Android so far is the flexibility

I used it for about 3 hours.
1. Sense sucks. Still
2. It eats battery like a mofo. Still
3. Who uses the speaker? Its a dumb complaint. 1/4" garbage speaker = FTL
5. I like the new market. It doesn't matter to me how it looks really. But I don't spend moments really thinking about it. /Shrug
6. Yes I skipped four.
7. Why does the weather widget have sounds? I can roll down/Open the window if I want to hear the weather..... ..
8. I didn't notice the touchscreen issue when using it. Then again I haven't noticed it since I reflashed MIUI either.
10. AT&T doesn't really have 4g man. So who cares what the device says its running on so long as I can look stuff up when I need to.
9. It wasn't Aosp so I ran away as fast as i could
11. Yes nine and ten are swapped.

tweaked said:
I used it for about 3 hours.
1. Sense sucks. Still
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I'll have to give MIUI a shot it's the only one I havnt tried so far

chocodough said:
But the biggest issue I still see wasn't addressed, is that under About Phone and Network, it still displays HSDPA under Mobile Network Type instead of HSPA like it should when you are in a 4G area. The Atrix with the GB update properly displays that. I don't know why the Inspire doesn't. So it's difficult to tell if you are really connecting to HSPA or not. Sure the backhaul might be there, but if your phone is still connecting as HSDPA you are not getting full advantage of the "4G" network.
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Not sure I follow what you're saying. HSDPA and HSPA are essentially the same thing. The extra "D" is merely referring to the downlink component of HSPA. And we already know that HSUPA (uplink) is working because AT&T enabled it in the OTA update that came out at the end of April. Since we know HSDPA and HSUPA are both working, then full HSPA is working. Since the phone is reporting HSDPA, this is merely semantics; HSDPA = HSPA. You can't have one without the other.
Edit: regarding the speaker, the majority of the problem is software related. The stock ROM has a poor equalization curve applied to the speaker, or none at all. In CyanogenMod 7, for example, you can use DSPManager to boost the midrange frequencies and reduce the high frequencies to just the speaker. This makes it sound much better, similar to iPhone 4 quality, although not as loud

SuicideMyk said:
I'll have to give MIUI a shot it's the only one I havnt tried so far
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You won't switch after
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XAviierG said:
You won't switch after
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I hated miui, kept it for 20 minutes. Looks too much like an iPhone for me.

I personally, like it but I have a rooted htc Inspire so I have no problems thus far..

harlenm said:
I hated miui, kept it for 20 minutes. Looks too much like an iPhone for me.
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This looks like an Iphone to you?

Already installed - will reinstalling delete data?
I've already installed a version of this that was stock with the bloatware, but rooted. If I flash this over what I've already installed, will it remove my data and settings?
As far as how I like it, I'm OK with it so far. I looked for the fast boot option in the Privacy settings and it isn't there. It's not under the Applications area either. So now my boot time is about 2.3 minutes, which is a looong wait.

Fast boot is in the Power settings.
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@ Tweaked
Who uses the speaker? Umm...like everyone. I am not one of those people who wears a bluetooth headset all the time to make it look like I'm important.
The tinny / high treblely sound to the speaker is very annoying. Also the speaker volume is about HALF of what my iPhone is. If I am outside and wearing the phone on my belt I can't hear when I get an alert or text...etc...I need to also have it on Vibrate to even hear it. Now inside I can hear it. I can hear a text alert on my iPhone from the other end of my house.
@ henrybravo
Yes HSDPA and HSPA are not the same. When having a network update meeting, I saw a paper which had the evolution of the network from 2G all the way to LTE. HSPA was the next step after HSDPA. Granted it's a minor issue, but just because the backhaul is there at the tower, if you are not using the latest protocol in the connection, then you will not get as much as you should get as far as bandwidth. Yes it is pretty much moot I guess between the two, but I would still like to see the connection being reported acurately.
As far as the speaker, yes I've seen some speaker mods for rooted phones and custom Roms, but what I can't figure out is why HTC doesn't just tweaked it themselves. It obviously can be done with software. It's like they don't care or listen to people. I remember when the Inspire first came out. The speaker volume and quality was a big complaint all over the web, even on HTC's own forums. Of course they didn't listen and fix it.

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@ Tweaked
Yes HSDPA and HSPA are not the same. When having a network update meeting, I saw a paper which had the evolution of the network from 2G all the way to LTE. HSPA was the next step after HSDPA.
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"HSPA is the terminology used when both HSDPA (3GPP Release 5) and HSUPA (3GPP Release 6) technologies are deployed on a network. HSPA Evolved (HSPA+ in 3GPP Release 7 and beyond) is also part of the HSPA technology and extends an operator’s investment in the network before the next step to 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE, or 3GPP Release 8 and beyond)."
- http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&sectionid=247
Even if they changed it to read HSPA in the network settings, it is still HSDPA for downlink and HSUPA for uplink.
I agree with you about the speaker though. It is my only real complaint about the phone.

Thank you Fernandezhjr!

fernandezhjr said:
Fast boot is in the Power settings.
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Ya that was my bad. I knew it was in Power, don't know why I said Privacy. I have corrected it in my original post.

wolverine423 said:
"HSPA is the terminology used when both HSDPA (3GPP Release 5) and HSUPA (3GPP Release 6) technologies are deployed on a network. HSPA Evolved (HSPA+ in 3GPP Release 7 and beyond) is also part of the HSPA technology and extends an operator’s investment in the network before the next step to 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE, or 3GPP Release 8 and beyond)."
- http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&sectionid=247
Even if they changed it to read HSPA in the network settings, it is still HSDPA for downlink and HSUPA for uplink.
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Yes I understand all that. I guess what I was curious about, is why it always says HSDPA even when you are not in a so-called 4G area?
Back when I got the phone, before the general public did, and also before AT&T starting rolling out 4G, it still said HSDPA. The only time it didn't was if I was in the boonies and was on Edge.
So whether you are in a 3G or 4G area it will say HSDPA regardless. So making it say HSPA when actually in a 4G area is more accurate.

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Yes I understand all that. I guess what I was curious about, is why it always says HSDPA even when you are not in a so-called 4G area?
Back when I got the phone, before the general public did, and also before AT&T starting rolling out 4G, it still said HSDPA. The only time it didn't was if I was in the boonies and was on Edge.
So whether you are in a 3G or 4G area it will say HSDPA regardless. So making it say HSPA when actually in a 4G area is more accurate.
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It probably has something to do with ATT's "4G" just being upgraded 3G. Same technology with increased backhaul to give faster speeds.

chocodough said:
@ Tweaked
Who uses the speaker? Umm...like everyone. I am not one of those people who wears a bluetooth headset all the time to make it look like I'm important.
The tinny / high treblely sound to the speaker is very annoying. Also the speaker volume is about HALF of what my iPhone is. If I am outside and wearing the phone on my belt I can't hear when I get an alert or text...etc...I need to also have it on Vibrate to even hear it. Now inside I can hear it. I can hear a text alert on my iPhone from the other end of my house.
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Ahh I see. I don't wear one of those snobie, BT, one ear, headsets either. But I am also not "outside" all day, nor do I wear one of those grandmother fanny pack holsters on my belt...... It sits on the desk in my office all day which prolly makes a difference in hearing it.

My HSUPA is gone with the new update. My upload is being capped around 300 again. WTF
Used the leaked RUU posted in this section.
EDIT: hmm weird now it seems to be uploading fine.

wolverine423 said:
It probably has something to do with ATT's "4G" just being upgraded 3G. Same technology with increased backhaul to give faster speeds.
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+1. The iPhone4 is marketed as a "3G" phone but it apparently runs on HSPA because I've gotten download speeds of 6-7 MB/s out of it. AT&T uses the term "4G" quite loosely.