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Will android ever have another phone released that lives up to the hype like the G1

It seems ever since the first generation of android devices a multitude of phones have been overhyped and just havent delivered. The G1 was a pinnacle of android masterpiece even with its clunky form and poor build quality it was what android phones should be. It was updated when it could be and if not it was easy to update for devs. It didn't have some terrible skin on it, it felt solid enough, and it worked in every way necessary. I mean the nexus one was the same, it was just a good phone. Ever since things have just been over-hyped and generally not worth it. The original droid was pretty terrible by comparison to the original android phone and yet they publicized it to be something amazing because of the sleek look... dont think most of us care too much about the look of our phone or we'd all be like those iphone wielding tools. This same mediocrity has come into play over and over again straight up to the galaxy S series... what are the odds that garbage is ever really going to get updated without XDA as long as samsung has any say over it? That lag also left a bad taste in most peoples mouths and the fact that the sequel to the amazing nexus one is a glorified galaxy S with a front facing camera and flash is just like taking a dump on the nexus line. There have been a few decent devices along the way mostly from HTC but in all actuality the only enjoyable andoid experience I had post G1 was on an HD2. This is not an android bashing thread just a real question and dedz to the G1... Lost but not forgotten.

no there wont , ur live will be empty and sad from now on

Nah, I'm happy with my WP7 devices. Would just like to have a decent android device on the side and when I heard they were making another nexus I got excited.... then I saw the S

souljaboy said:
no there wont , ur live will be empty and sad from now on
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lmao. Way to cheer up a person.

Lol why bother to cheer up an obvious troll post?

there was a bit of hype when the desire came out.i think the HD2 is to be honest and thats not suppose to be an android but its deffinently a fun phone to play with,its got eveyone hyped up on here most deffinently,its turning into the must have tweakable phone.It terms of native android devices,we shall have to see what this year brings

Not a troll post by any means. I beg you to give me another phone that lived up as well out of the box. The HD2 did but I dont think it was quite as hyped til XDA took hold of it.

z33dev33l said:
It seems ever since the first generation of android devices a multitude of phones have been overhyped and just havent delivered. The G1 was a pinnacle of android masterpiece even with its clunky form and poor build quality it was what android phones should be. It was updated when it could be and if not it was easy to update for devs. It didn't have some terrible skin on it, it felt solid enough, and it worked in every way necessary. I mean the nexus one was the same, it was just a good phone. Ever since things have just been over-hyped and generally not worth it. The original droid was pretty terrible by comparison to the original android phone and yet they publicized it to be something amazing because of the sleek look... dont think most of us care too much about the look of our phone or we'd all be like those iphone wielding tools. This same mediocrity has come into play over and over again straight up to the galaxy S series... what are the odds that garbage is ever really going to get updated without XDA as long as samsung has any say over it? That lag also left a bad taste in most peoples mouths and the fact that the sequel to the amazing nexus one is a glorified galaxy S with a front facing camera and flash is just like taking a dump on the nexus line. There have been a few decent devices along the way mostly from HTC but in all actuality the only enjoyable andoid experience I had post G1 was on an HD2. This is not an android bashing thread just a real question and dedz to the G1... Lost but not forgotten.
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You have a valid point, but just like the first iPhone, the G1 did have it's flaws, but it was a success because it was the only device for Android. As you rightly said, the Nexus One was the next major step, I'd consider the G2 to be an incrimental step up, but I think the next wave of devices to truly impress will be wielding dual core CPUs, because as of now we're just getting the same internals in different casings. As of now all the other specs have been sufficiently maxed-out (1GHz CPUs, 8mp cameras w/ flash, 576-768mb RAM), so I think an influx of DC Snapdragons and Tegra 2s will shake things up a bit.

AdrianK said:
You have a valid point, but just like the first iPhone, the G1 did have it's flaws, but it was a success because it was the only device for Android. As you rightly said, the Nexus One was the next major step, I'd consider the G2 to be an incrimental step up, but I think the next wave of devices to truly impress will be wielding dual core CPUs, because as of now we're just getting the same internals in different casings. As of now all the other specs have been sufficiently maxed-out (1GHz CPUs, 8mp cameras w/ flash, 576-768mb RAM), so I think an influx of DC Snapdragons and Tegra 2s will shake things up a bit.
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I dont really think the processors going to make that huge a difference. These phones still have not released anything new and amazing like they did then... They have yet to make another keyboard that could compare to the G1 and thats just sad considering the amount of praise it received. The G2 was nice but the Z hinge was bad and the fact that without overclocking the processor was smaller (though overclocked it was epic) was kinda lame. I dont think tegra 2s are going to make as big a difference as everyone thought if it's the same phones with a nicer processor. What ever happened to that phone with the projector built in? Thats a development...

No there won't. The first one will be the most hyped about regardless of the outcome. Why? It is the first of its kind! It applies to everything, first electric car, first 3D television, first motion-controlled games. So now manufacturers can only make the best phones that they can and still it won't have the same hype as it's granfather.

Isnt honeycomb supossed to be game changing? If you get a dual core phone running 3.0 maybe a gig of ram and you honestly say there Isnt a noticeable you might as well place a sticker saying 'troll' right on your forehead and/or asscheaks...
Word.
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timur525 said:
Isnt honeycomb supossed to be game changing? If you get a dual core phone running 3.0 maybe a gig of ram and you honestly say there Isnt a noticeable you might as well place a sticker saying 'troll' right on your forehead and/or asscheaks...
Word.
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please do learn your stuff before attempting to insult. 3.0 is a tablet os. Cheeks is spelled cheeks and yeah, not trolling, just a bunch of overhyped phones as of late

Troll.
You didn't capitalize a few letters where necessary. Also, you forgot your punctuation.
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So the Droid, the Hero, the Evo, the Galaxy S, the G2, the MT4g, and hell even the HD2 didn't have any hype? My sales when I worked at Radio shack tend to disagree with that.(Aside the droid)

vbetts said:
So the Droid, the Hero, the Evo, the Galaxy S, the G2, the MT4g, and hell even the HD2 didn't have any hype? My sales when I worked at Radio shack tend to disagree with that.(Aside the droid)
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They got the hype, aside from the HD2 though none of em lived up to it. That of course isnt android native.

z33dev33l said:
They got the hype, aside from the HD2 though none of em lived up to it. That of course isnt android native.
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Aside from the G1, the Droid is probably one of the factors that made Android what it is today. The Hero won awards left and right. The Galaxy S has had its share of problems, but considering there are so many variations of it out there, I'd say it lived up to it's hype and more. The Evo lived up to it's hype as one of the biggest selling devices for Sprint! It passed the record sales in the first week than the Palm Pre, their second biggest sales record in a week! Sprint kind of overestimated when they released their sales numbers, but it was still so much that they ran out of stock quickly everywhere. The MT4g is still growing! Look at the Desire! The Desire like the Hero received awards like phone of the year! G1 didn't. G1 was a hit with developers, and the homebrew community. As is almost every HTC phone is too.
Should also mention, in the T3 tech awards the HTC Desire also beat the Iphone 4, which the Iphone 4 and all the Iphone series is easily way over hyped compared to what the G1 was.

Don't think these other companies were ready...

Samsung... LG. They wanted to enter the superphone battle but really had no idea of what they were getting themselves into. The time is over where you can just release a phone and not update it expecting it to just continue to sell.
HTC has been dealing with Android for awhile and definitely understands this concept. Many of their phones are receiving Gingerbread while many others have had announcements about updates. HTC stated a phone wasn't going to be updated then a day later had a change of heart. Days later an announcement was made with details of the update.
Communication and promptness is what is going to make or break these companies. Samsung had a big success with the Galaxy S but no one can deny they failed with updating the device once issues arose.
LG definitely wasn't ready to have the "world's first dual-core" smartphone when they didn't even have a competent engineering team to put out good software. And now that same software team is taking forever to get it right.
Were we too naive trusting LG with a phone of this stature?
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samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now. Even with not updating like you said they had mad success. Even those who said never again still want the samsung. It also is the least buggiest device on paper out there looking at the forums.
LG yes. they came in like DEEERRRP, but Samsung knew what they were doing. ****, sgs 4g lmaoooo. They may not be cool how they do it, but they know what there doing and make a good product or people wouldnt be wanting a sgs2 so bad.
Only issue they had was gps, and yes poor updates but thats just them saving money and time and sending it out on a whole new device thats the same as the last with the update. lol

LG did it right with the hardware but screwed up the software. It happens. Google has yet to work with LG, which I think is next in line.
Samsung, HTC, Motorola have all had turns with google and learning the ins and outs.
I think the next Nexus phone will be LG... that will bring them up to speed like the rest.

smashpunks said:
samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now.
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I've never had a Samsung Android phone before so I can't speak to the past. But the SGS2 has already received three ROM updates and four camera firmware updates in six weeks. 2.3.4 is expected by the end of the month to address an issue with the Android suspend process chewing up battery. It's for non-branded phones though and once the U.S. carriers get involved all bets are off no matter who manufactured the phone.

G2x was rushed out, to get the "first" tag.... It should have went out with 2.3. Saying that LG can not support the phone is way way way too early. IMO they are trying to make 2.3 release be a complete package, as bug free as reasonably necesssary and possible. Tons of updates are equal to one really solid release, some may prefer lots of updates, while most want a solid release, without the need of tick tacking.
LG is essentially relying on pure Android.....if the G2x is not ready for primetime, then Android itself is not.

Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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tombaker1 said:
G2x was rushed out...
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Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?

Please do not put Samsung in the same league as LG. One year ago I would have said, yea sure, go ahead but not now. They just made the worlds most powerful Android device ever made and there getting involved with the DEV community. They have already released 3 updates for the SGSII which is 3 more than LG issued for the G2X. The SGSII has the least amount of bugs out of the new dual core phones being released.
Samsung just joined HTC at the top. LG just replaced Samsung of the Behold II days.

I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly

in my opinion, yeah LG brought out an unstable phone
but then with the developers roms and kernel, my g2x is the fastest and smoothest phone i've ever experienced with.
im not saying that LG was perfect, but its because of them & developers that i have a phone that rapes any other phone on the market

kookoomang said:
I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly
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The Atrix is dual-core on Froyo with the same Tegra SoC and hasn't experienced the issues the G2X has so you can't blame Froyo. The Sensation and SGS2 are dual-core on Gingerbread and don't have similar issues either which would mean dual-core phones can work successfully with any newer Android version. So, anecdotally, all fingers point to LG's software and/or hardware decisions.

The whole reason I bought this phone was because it was a very powerful, stock android phone. It had all the right hardware. I knew that because it was in the G series it woiuld recieve crazy dev support and I was sold when I heard cyannogen would be making a rom for it. Its unlocked and flash happy. Honestly I didnt care then and dont care now what the phone was like when it was released. I bought this to tinker and tinkering I am doing lots of. If I wanted a locked down phone with a laggy UI i would have gone with an HTC or motorola phone. At the time i had no clue HTC would unlock the bootloader but has that even happened yet?

If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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cashyftw said:
If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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Huh? How does the reversal of a corporate policy have anything to do with the timing of the release of one of a dozen new phones they'll come out with this year?
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kangxi said:
Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.

againareku said:
...but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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The first statement kind of contradicts your claims in the second statement, don't you think?

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SefEXE said:
What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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But i can tell you first hand.
this rom is the same rom pretty much as the overseas version which has the lg skin on it. they changed the png files to be stock android and removed the settings additions.
all the hooks and java are in the framework files at least the ones i looked at. have tons of stuff that is not froyo 2.2.2 source.
this explains why both phones have similair problems.
themes cause tons of bootlopps and freezes and reboots if not done correctly. and thats probably the cause of the reboots. since this is a themed rom.
with rommers they put out an update to fix a problem. the companies seem to always try to fix everything before releasing than on top of that they are bringing a whole new os and froyo and GB are quite a bit different. and with tmobile i imagine they told them to get a working gingerbread rom on it and they would buy the phones again.
Hope this helps some.

i think your right
againareku said:
If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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and i hope you are hardware wise. it appears its the software that they are having problems with. and although they all continue ot be quite i would bet a company like lg made some changes after this debacle.
lets hope.

BarryH_GEG said:
Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?
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Worked great, the got a lot of press for being the first dual core, which is why they rushed.
The sales have been so strong that they ran out of the phones. Negative press is pretty much on this site and similar, which probably reaches about 5% max of the buyers.
They released with 2.2 which gives most a strong belief that 2.3 will solve a ton of issues whether or not I have experienced them.
The G2x will always be part of the against other phones, as part of the benchmarks, where as the Sensation will drop off.
So did it work, I think so.
Looking forward to 2.3....if it introduces problems I will be very upset.

I was ready to leave Android for WP7, but SGS3...

I was perfectly ready to leave the Android platform for WP7. Either for a Nokia Lumia 900 or HTC Titan II.
But with the release of the Samsung Galaxy S3, I'm kinda being lured back to Android.
Anyone in this kind of predicament? And if so... Any advice?
I'm currently using a HTC Desire. But by now it's very outdated, slow and likes to crash lately.

I really like the design of WP7 but I think it's no alternative to Android. Just think about the possibilities to customize ur system. I really need something new once in a while.
But the design of the SGS3 does not really satisfy me. I really don't like these plastic cases...

IMHO if you were about to jump ship the GS3 shouldn't really make you change your mind. It's definitely not a game changer. Sure it's a good phone, but if I still had my GS2 I wouldn't upgrade yet. If I'll ever go back to Android it will be for no less than a Cortex-a15 and an edge to edge SAMOLED+ HD. If I were you I'd get a Lumia 900 while I wait for the GS4, or even for the iPhone 5 or 6. At least you'll have the chance to try WP for a good while, and if you like it you may also consider getting an Apollo device when they come out. I'm very likely to go for this option, I've been pretty happy with WP7 in the last 5 months. No matter how hard I try, I can't really keep a phone for more than a year, I get bored easily I guess
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Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)

Just purchase a used GS2, you have a Desire and you may keep your next device for a long time.
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zone23 said:
Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)
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Honestly I don't mind "forcing" an update from time to time. Also, people should start to understand that once that a new version of the software comes out your phone won't brick itself. I mean, if I had an ICS device now I probably won't give a damn about JB when it comes out. ICS is pretty much a full experience, JB will definitely be a minor update, like 2.2 to 2.3. Anyway I must say that I feel pretty much like you. Toying with the phone all day can be fun for a while, but once you're not a teen with nothing to do anymore you may wanna have a phone that just works with no gimmicks. That's why I'm happy with WP7 now. I'm still a nerd tho, don't get me wrong: I'm getting an Android tablet as soon as a good one comes out (Exynos quad please), but basically just for fun. As to my PHONE it's all a different kind of business right now, if you get what I mean
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zone23 said:
Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
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Lots of truth. And with that in mind, I might be tempted to move to iOS or WP7.
But, although I don't live to flash new ROM's all the time or customizing the phone constantly, I do have my phone customized just the way I want it and the way it is most useful to me. This includes, having a custom ICS ROM (I tried 2, settled on one and haven't moved for months, except for updates which are OTA and pretty simple). I don't think I could get either iOS or WP7 (probably mostly because of the lack of some of the apps I have on Android) to behave the way I want them to.
In the case of iOS I speak out of current personal experience. My personal phone is a SGS with ICS. The company I work with gave us iPhones. It's a pain in the ass to use that thing. Simple things such as turning stuff on or off, and the notifications are a joke. Lack of widgets is another weak point for iPhone, among many, many other things. The only really strong point is the camer which takes great pictures. But I end up taking them with my SGS because getting them off the iPhone is another goddamned chore.
I can't begin to count the times when I was doing something on the damn iPhone that takes me a zillion finger taps and thinking "this would be so simple on my SGS with a widget or shortcut or w/e".
In my case it's not really about customization for customization's sake. it's about productivity and, like someone said, being able to use the phone in a simple way. The phone adapts to the way I think, not the other way around.

The GS2 is one step forward and three steps back. It won't be as smooth, as good looking, or as user friendly as WP7, I guarantee that.

i will still go for a S2, and with the S3, S2 price will definitely drop.
the rom community for S2 is pretty awesome too, so yeah another plus point

I find the iPhone bland and screen has washed out colours. Ppi doesn't make a huge difference
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I don't like the WP, android is much better. I'm gonna stay with my SII for now

I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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bartoloandre98 said:
I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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Yeah, Microsoft must improve the worldwide support, here in Italy Bing is "beta", and doesn't really work well, so we're stuck with beta software. God, they should at least give us the option to change the default search engine, being forced to use a third party app just to "google" for something is pretty lame.
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You still cant change search providers? It's 2012 for goodness sake.
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I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material

I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!

Zmaina5 said:
I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material
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Plastic is more durable than metal or any other material. Take a galaxy s2 and an iPhone and drop them at shoulder height. The galaxy s2 will have a little dent in the plastic. The iPhone would be completely shattered
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astratb said:
I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!
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You may also consider the Gnex actually. Right now you can find it at a lower price compared to the GS2: here in Italy I can find it online for 359€, pretty good considering that the GS2 can't be found for less than 400€, and it's kind of a more "dated" device...
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Samsung T699 Thoughts

Anyone have any first impressions on the Samsung T699? Will it be a viable replacement to our Sidekick 4G? Or could the analysis of the T699 help with the development of the Sidekick 4G? These are what crossed my mind when I saw the following post at Engadget.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/09/samsung-t699-may-become-galaxy-s-blaze-q-on-august-15th/
Your Thoughts?

The keyboard looks good, especially the inverted T arrow pad. I sure wish our Sidekick had that. The form factor's a bit more generic. I quite like how the sidekick feels in landscape mode, so that's slightly less appealing. And the spec would be a nice step up, perhaps enough to make those console emulators practical.
No mention made of price or battery life though. We'll have to see how those are. If they're reasonable, I suspect I'll be picking one up for christmas.

I'd be interested if the keyboard has good tactile feedback and works well, and if the device gets official CyanogenMod support i'd like to avoid OEM overlays if possible from now on.

5-row key /w arrow keys is very nice.
As said above, I really like the feel (raised left/right edges) of the SK4G, and that will be worse, but if the keyboard feels good it will work.
A cap-buttons for menu & back is weird too (I prefer real buttons, but with 4.0 I thought it was not supposed to have buttons at all).
I could end up with that next year as well. I really wish they would just repackage the SK4G with the same case, bigger/better edge-to-edge screen, better camera with flash, and better cpu/ram (nfc + hdmi-out would be my only other wishes).

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Anyone have any first impressions on the Samsung T699? Will it be a viable replacement to our Sidekick 4G? Or could the analysis of the T699 help with the development of the Sidekick 4G? These are what crossed my mind when I saw the following post at Engadget.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/09/samsung-t699-may-become-galaxy-s-blaze-q-on-august-15th/
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After the way Samsung and T-Mobile continually mis-handled and then abandoned the Sidekick 4G, my main criterion for a new device is going to be a vibrant Android development community, and built-from-scratch community ROMs.
I'm done with Samsung's ROMs. If I'm not 100% certain of a complete, buildable, relatively standard Android source tree, with sensible drivers and whatnot, I simply won't be buying.

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After the way Samsung and T-Mobile continually mis-handled and then abandoned the Sidekick 4G, my main criterion for a new device is going to be a vibrant Android development community, and built-from-scratch community ROMs.
I'm done with Samsung's ROMs. If I'm not 100% certain of a complete, buildable, relatively standard Android source tree, with sensible drivers and whatnot, I simply won't be buying.
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It was sad to see them drop the Sidekick so quickly, but how was it mis-handled? I did not follow much news about the Sidekick until the beginning of this year. However, I too am frustrated with the Samsung ROM. I have looked around here for a good replacement, but have not tried any yet.
Well, unless there is another qwerty phone out by this time next year, it looks like i will be getting a T699, whether or not there is a dev community.

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It was sad to see them drop the Sidekick so quickly, but how was it mis-handled? I did not follow much news about the Sidekick until the beginning of this year. However, I too am frustrated with the Samsung ROM. I have looked around here for a good replacement, but have not tried any yet.
Well, unless there is another qwerty phone out by this time next year, it looks like i will be getting a T699, whether or not there is a dev community.
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How was the Sidekick 4G mishandled? Let me count the ways.
1. Shipped with Froyo instead of Gingerbread at a time when GB was the current release
2. Never updated past Froyo
3. Kernel sources, when released, were an abominable mess. Too eccentric to help with integration into Cyanogen, AOKP, etc.
4. Never fixed TouchWiz' preposterous memory leaks
5. Abandoned officially at just around a year after release
Basically, T-Mobile appears to have cared more about refreshing the "Sidekick" name, than they cared about the user experience or software quality. The Sidekick's official ROM is complete garbage. Such great hardware... but Samsung and T-Mobile put concrete galoshes on the SK4G and chucked it in the river.

If I remember correctly from kies and such, the last update, kj2 came out around 11/7/2011, making the support for the device lasting less than 7 months after the launch date(which was 4/20.... I remember that for some reason )
All in all it sounds like the stock Touchwiz UI was a bit of a hack job and got little attention. It's a shame because I too really like the physical design of the device.

Disappointing QWERTY myTouch
@nxd @yogi2010,
Wow, I guess I should have paid better attention. Only 7 months is pitiful.
Likewise, today I saw this post on Engadget about the new QWERTY myTouch.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/11/t-mobile-mytouch-series-hands-on/
Seriously, they are going to only be running Gingerbread 2.3 on the new myTouch device. That means the Samsung's T699 is my only hope.

I'm pretty excited about it. I've been wanting a high-end qwerty device again, and the spec bump on the T-699 looks to be very nice. 1.5ghz dual core S3(or possibly S4, but not getting my hopes up) with a gig of RAM and a 720P screen. Going from a Sidekick 4G to this device will be like going from a Galaxy S with a keyboard to a Galaxy Nexus with a keyboard.
Regarding the very poor SK4G software support, my theory is that T-Mobile got their hands too much in the software and Samsung just didn't want to spend the time to truly fix and update all the T-Mobile customized stuff. Don't get me wrong, all the "designer" elements of the lock screen and launcher and everything were nice and kinda expected for the Sidekick name, but they did such a half-assed job making it work right that I would rather have had regular old Touchwiz. It's my fond hope that with the T-699, T-Mobile will ask much less of Samsung in the customization department and we'll at least wind up with a very good functional 4.0.4 release software. Heck, maybe we'll even get lucky and Jellybean will hit sometime in the first half of 2013
Anyway, I'm getting this phone. I tried very hard to move to a touchscreen only device, but I just miss my qwerty keyboard too much. Even the 4.3 inch screen on my One S combined with the trace keyboard just doesn't cut it for me. I only got the One S because I truly believed that qwerty phones with even moderately decent specs were no more. Hell, the last good one that came to T-Mobile was the myTouch 4G Slide, and I hated the weak feedback on the keys on that one. Now I find out that not only are we getting a 720p screen on 1.5ghz dual core device, but the keyboard on it has the fifth row for the numbers? Thank you Samsung for keeping the slider form factor alive!

...barely alive! I too went a few months with no slider-keyboard, and to tell you the truth, I didn't even miss it that much... until I went back to a slider-keyboard and realized every time I used the hard keyboard what a PITA it would have been to do the same on a soft-keyboard only. My parents all use slider phones too because they say they can't type on a soft-keyboard at all. I use my soft keyboard 80% of the time, but the other 20% I'm very glad to have a slider. I don't know why they haven't become the standard, other then the fact Apple doesn't make one and people are sheep. If everyone were forced to use a slider for a week (running the same OS they were used to), I bet very few would want to go back to a candybar in exchange for a few mm in thickness.

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...barely alive! I too went a few months with no slider-keyboard, and to tell you the truth, I didn't even miss it that much... until I went back to a slider-keyboard and realized every time I used the hard keyboard what a PITA it would have been to do the same on a soft-keyboard only. My parents all use slider phones too because they say they can't type on a soft-keyboard at all. I use my soft keyboard 80% of the time, but the other 20% I'm very glad to have a slider. I don't know why they haven't become the standard, other then the fact Apple doesn't make one and people are sheep. If everyone were forced to use a slider for a week (running the same OS they were used to), I bet very few would want to go back to a candybar in exchange for a few mm in thickness.
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While the T699 looks very appealing, I don't think the Sidekick 4G is going to be the final Sidekick device ever released. At least...I hope not...

Well tmobile never said this was the only sidekick android so maybe a new one next year?Sent from my SGH-T839 using xda app-developers app

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Well tmobile never said this was the only sidekick android so maybe a new one next year?Sent from my SGH-T839 using xda app-developers app
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I sure hope they do release another Sidekick! :fingers-crossed:

Man, I want that T699 so bad....
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I sure hope they do release another Sidekick! :fingers-crossed:
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Same here. I loved the sidekicks when I was a kid, even though I never could afford one
Sliders in general feel like home to me, and the Android factor in the 4g made me fall head over heels in love.... until I saw that it was on froyo. :/
I desperately hope bhudaven (hope I spelled his name right) perserveres through the trolling and ports 2.3 from SGS4G over to the sidekick. ANYTHING higher than froyo would be appreciated.
If tmobile even thinks about making another sidekick, it better be 4.0 or better or i'm going to give a mental jackslap to their logo every time i see it.

RenaldiDroidXDA said:
Same here. I loved the sidekicks when I was a kid, even though I never could afford one
Sliders in general feel like home to me, and the Android factor in the 4g made me fall head over heels in love.... until I saw that it was on froyo. :/
I desperately hope bhudaven (hope I spelled his name right) perserveres through the trolling and ports 2.3 from SGS4G over to the sidekick. ANYTHING higher than froyo would be appreciated.
If tmobile even thinks about making another sidekick, it better be 4.0 or better or i'm going to give a mental jackslap to their logo every time i see it.
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Bhundven is the man for doing this for us. I have made it my personal goal to follow his instructions and not request ETAs.
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Sidekick or not, there are only 4 QWERTY phones with Android 4.0 and higher... Only 4. Looks like the end.

djh said:
Sidekick or not, there are only 4 QWERTY phones with Android 4.0 and higher... Only 4. Looks like the end.
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Well, T-Mobile will be releasing LTE-capable phones this year. Let's hope there's a Sidekick LTE on the way.

ged92781 said:
Well, T-Mobile will be releasing LTE-capable phones this year. Let's hope there's a Sidekick LTE on the way.
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As a long time user of hardware keyboard (G1 and T mobile G2) finally gave up and got Galaxy Note 2. Scren is large enough to use on screen keyboard even with my fat fingers. If they ever make high end phone with hardware keyboard I may switch back but so far I'm happy with quad core cpu and large screen.
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darekz said:
As a long time user of hardware keyboard (G1 and T mobile G2) finally gave up and got Galaxy Note 2. Scren is large enough to use on screen keyboard even with my fat fingers. If they ever make high end phone with hardware keyboard I may switch back but so far I'm happy with quad core cpu and large screen.
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Phonescoop.com has only one review and had zero discussions on the Relay...until I posted one.
It seems that physical keyboard phones are just not in high demand. What a shame.
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The first time yo messed around with android, what did you think?

I remember my first time seeing a real android phone. I saw plenty of commercials about the original mytouch. But the day my friend walked into class and showed it to my teacher, it just blew my mind. He showed off how it had multiple screens, and he even had a bleach background (and let me tell you, it was beautiful). I didn't really look in depth about android. But i did learn a few months or a year later that the G2 was coming out. My dad wanted a faster blackberry (for his job) so we went to a T-mobile store and he asked for a fast phone. The person at the counter showed him the G2 and i immediately recognized it. In fact the whole store was filled with android phones that i played around with very much. It was not until my mother got my a Pandigital novel that i learned about rooting and rom (still didn't understand it as in depth as i do now).
TL;DR: When i first saw android, i didn't know what it was but i did think it was beautiful.
Now i wanna hear about your first experiences with android. Or what you thought when you first laid eyes on one.

Before i get an android i had a symbian phone so when i bought my htc wildfire i couldn't stop install rom and all stupid stuff on it, FREEDOM !!

Droid Eris.
So much better than a Blackberry.

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Droid Eris.
So much better than a Blackberry.
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depends which blackberry you had

My first Android was a Cliq.
My first thought was, "Y u no have Angry Birds?"
Upgraded to 2.1 eclair.
"Y u so laggy on Angry Birds?"
xD
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switched from a crappy samsung phone without even a proper name (just an alphanumeric one) to the HTC DHD/Inspire 4g it was my forst android phone and it was and still is amazing because the one thing about android is, is that it never ceases to amaze me. Be it the official stuff or the root community, all of it is amazing.

gagdude said:
My first Android was a Cliq.
My first thought was, "Y u no have Angry Birds?"
Upgraded to 2.1 eclair.
"Y u so laggy on Angry Birds?"
xD
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lol my sis has the cliq right now. And boy that was the slowest thing i've ever touched. It was so slow that i rooted it and set the cpu higher to make it faster. It only made it 35% faster lol

It was stock on a D2, and I remember it lagging so badly. I tried to mod and customize but the deeper I got into it the slower it got. Then I finally made the choice to stick with android and buy a top tier phone, which is my GNex I have now and couldn't be happier. Lol
Android has come a long way, and the older versions really give it a bad name on those slow / sluggished spec'd phones.

My first Android was the Sanyo Zio by Kyocera. Which happened to be Kyoceras first Android as well. I think it was fate because it took me about a month before I decided to get it rooted. At the time there was virtually no development for it, source code was still nearly a year from release. So it gave me a chance to really get in to Androids and all the customization and some amateurish development. So really it assured my love of the OS.
Lower end phones arent always the worst. Im stuck on one now since some ass stole my Sensation. Its not too terrible, but if I was a total noob it would be. Thanks to my Zio Im not. Link2sd is a godsend for low capacity devices.
I can honestly say I will never own another kind of phone. If its not Android Im not interested.

I was intrigued as soon as I saw the "iDon't" commercials. I did a lot of reading and followed a few now-defunct forums. When the D2 came out I bought it sight unseen. Once I looked into rooting and learned how amazing the experience could become I was hooked.

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It was stock on a D2, and I remember it lagging so badly. I tried to mod and customize but the deeper I got into it the slower it got. Then I finally made the choice to stick with android and buy a top tier phone, which is my GNex I have now and couldn't be happier. Lol
Android has come a long way, and the older versions really give it a bad name on those slow / sluggished spec'd phones.
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One of my family members has a phone on Gingerbread. Running that was cool, especially since she came from a BlackBerry.
Then I got a Galaxy Nexus and was floored at how much better the experience was. Matias Duarte, that UI and UX pioneer, really and completely changed Android to the point that stock is awesome. Android went through puberty and has finally matured.

The very first time I messed around with android, it was in the back seat of my 1966 Chevy Nova at "the point".
The second time, I got busted by her old man with my finger inside her USB port...
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My N1 was my first and still is. But I had been watching android from the first versions that looked like blackberry until I bought it.
But I live in Iceland and I was the first of anyone that I knew to buy an android phone.
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If u have an adroid it's always better than a blackberry even a torch XD
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I found jailbreaking easier that being said I also put my iPhone into a blender since i hated it. Rooting/flash I find more combersome for some reason though it's really not that difficult.

dragid10 said:
lol my sis has the cliq right now. And boy that was the slowest thing i've ever touched. It was so slow that i rooted it and set the cpu higher to make it faster. It only made it 35% faster lol
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Haha I know right? I was so excited to get rid of it. Pulling down the statusbar on cm7 was laggy 0.o
I tweaked the hell out of it to no avail. The reason why I never had a bad impression of Android was because my friends were all showing off their superphones and when I finally upgraded, I knew how much better the experience would be
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chunkers said:
I found jailbreaking easier that being said I also put my iPhone into a blender since i hated it. Rooting/flash I find more combersome for some reason though it's really not that difficult.
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Just depends on the phone. Motos on certain versions of Froyo and GB have a one-click root that's even easier than jail breaking. Even the work around now isn't too bad. I will say when I see what's required for some I just think, "Glad I don't have to do all that."

My first experience was with the T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream, which I got release week. It was and still is in my top 10 list of best phones. The way the keyboard slid out and clacked was amazing! I love that phone!

My first android phone was a Samsung Galaxy S2, i picked that over the Skyrocket and i never really regretted it. The first thing i did with the phone when i came home from the store was root it. After that i found out about kernels, roms, and hundreds of mods. And ever since then I've been flashing roms way too much. Some times i change the rom 3-4 times in a day, and other times i try my best to stick with one rom, but i keep wanting more from the device so i go looking for more roms and mods.

First android was an HTC Desire Z. Still have it and love it. Now rocking an SIII and soon a GNex again.