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Tha Boss Rom (Epic Edition) V.1 [Updated: 9/14]

Hello Epic users, Rmjr, Fixter, and I have made the rom flashable but it seems like we are just missing one piece to the puzzle when it is flashing. The rom is on its way and will be here sooner than later. Thank you for all your support.
Here is the change log for V.1 of this rom.
Update-
9/8- Ok the rom is done but the team and i are working on a way to flash it without bricking it. This is a long journey we are on but i promise that when the release comes you will not be disappointed. Also, late last night i found a mode that will give this phone some crazy battery life. Thank you for all your patience, you guys are awesome : )
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9/11- Well guys the rom is done but flashing it is still major problem. I am currently working on a way to flash. Since this phone does not have a custom recovery I am kinda just experimenting with different ways. To all the people who are doubting this rom and are trolling on this thread, go make your own rom... if you can.About the donations I dont care about it, I just thought if you all would like the rom to be better and produce faster turn outs. To all my beta testers, when the first time i get it to flash and it doesnt mess up your phone you guys will get it ASAP. Thanks for all the support through this.
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9/14 - Now that a working recovery has been released I am now working non stop on this whenever i have free time (I have college and work to go around also). Patience is the key here, the people who donated should be getting there beta copy by Saturday night if all goes well. Remember I do not have a Epic so i have to have my team help me flash this so this is a very long process to make sure i dont send out a rom that will brick every phone. I would also like to thank the people who have been commenting on the thread i read each one and listen to all of you. Thanks for all your support.
V.1
Removed bloatware (The Sprint crap)
Removed Touchwiz
Set the cpu scale ( The phone is more snappier) *Thanks to Bugless Pete
Added Astro file manager
Wired tether
Wireless tether
Enabled Laptop mode (Crazy battery saver)
More to come in V.2
Deodex
Zipalign
Ad Block
I will upload a file that as all the apks that i removed for those you like those apps can still install them using Astro.
Follow me on Twitter: @KyleCole90

KyleCole90 said:
Coming Soon
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Wooo im jumping from the Evo to the Epic. hope we get the same support

WOOT! i have to decide between the evo and epic 4g, im returning my captivate and going to sprint! any suggestions?

glendawg619 said:
WOOT! i have to decide between the evo and epic 4g, im returning my captivate and going to sprint! any suggestions?
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The way I see it, i think the epic is a better in terms of gaming and video playback but Evo will always have better support from the community.

saywhat4118 said:
The way I see it, i think the epic is a better in terms of gaming and video playback but Evo will always have better support from the community.
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well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold

This phone is the first one to match or exceed all my requirements for me to spend $500 on a phone again. It's gotta have 1+GHz, good GPU with sufficient drivers, 512MB+ RAM, SDHC (XC wouldn't hurt), 480 x 800 or better, smaller than 4.3", a hard keyboard, and a headphone jack. I've had 4 $500 HTC devices (no contract ftw) without a headphone jack and it's about damn time.

glendawg619 said:
well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold
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while thats true but i feel like it'll be all scattered instead of it being unified like the evo section. or any of the other phones ive rooted and flashed roms regularly, like the G1 and myTouch. this will be my first android phone thats not made by HTC. but damn i love that processor on the Epic!

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while thats true but i feel like it'll be all scattered instead of it being unified like the evo section. or any of the other phones ive rooted and flashed roms regularly, like the G1 and myTouch. this will be my first android phone thats not made by HTC. but damn i love that processor on the Epic!
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It's a combination of the processor and the keyboard that pushed me towards the Galaxy S. For the most part, I prefer the Evo's look and feel, but I hate onscreen controls with emulators. The S Pro has both power and controls. Look at how silky smooth this video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl5PBXZXuSA

Who ever chooses a crippled qsd825X device over a samsung intrinsity S5PC110, its just insane, people that havent had the chance to hold a galaxy S device in there hands, have no clue of what there missing, these devices are just blazingly and retardedly fast, its just the device that everyone from each of the major carriers should own, i wish i could marry my captivate cause i ****ing love it, just the same way you all love your epic 4g's =D

rafyvitto said:
Who ever chooses a crippled qsd825X device over a samsung intrinsity S5PC110, its just insane, people that havent had the chance to hold a galaxy S device in there hands, have no clue of what there missing, these devices are just blazingly and retardedly fast, its just the device that everyone from each of the major carriers should own, i wish i could marry my captivate cause i ****ing love it, just the same way you all love your epic 4g's =D
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i know man cant wait!! just placed a preorder today at my job

whole family is locked to att, so can't switch to sprint anytime soon, for cheaper and better plans ;*(.
My samsung captivate is working fine though
We just need Fascinate and Epic to be released worldwide, for a super dev team that helps each other out

Bowsa2511 said:
whole family is locked to att, so can't switch to sprint anytime soon, for cheaper and better plans ;*(.
My samsung captivate is working fine though
We just need Fascinate and Epic to be released worldwide, for a super dev team that helps each other out
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Yeah, the community is going to be huge. There are galaxy s devices across the world. I'm so excited!

Any details on what is coming out on the "Tha Boss Rom" verison 1.x"? It's exciting to hear that a custom rom is coming out, but it's can you give a dog a bone and hook us up with some details........... Overclocking? Better Keyboard? Will it have an app that will build me and island and then transform into a jet and fly me there???

glendawg619 said:
well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold
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Not to mention this phone is a world phone with it being launched in 110 carriers world wide. Its perhaps the largest distribution of a smartphone in any market, larger than Apple's iPhone.
Just think of all those developers jumping on the bandwagon be it CDMA or GSM.
A 7" and 10" tablet will be spun off the Galaxy S line up. Can you just IMAGINE?!
This is a monumental push by Samsung to overtake Nokia and Apple to be #1 in the smartphone market.

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Not to mention this phone is a world phone with it being launched in 110 carriers world wide. Its perhaps the largest distribution of a smartphone in any market, larger than Apple's iPhone.
Just think of all those developers jumping on the bandwagon be it CDMA or GSM.
A 7" and 10" tablet will be spun off the Galaxy S line up. Can you just IMAGINE?!
This is a monumental push by Samsung to overtake Nokia and Apple to be #1 in the smartphone market.
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I agree. what we need is gather all the galaxy s developers in one roof (forum) with all the devs working together, it would be crazy and developments would be so fast.
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Will this rom perhaps have the missing feutures that the other galaxy s phones have (ex: Customizable icons/pages/tv out etc.)?

davidrules7778 said:
Will this rom perhaps have the missing feutures that the other galaxy s phones have (ex: Customizable icons/pages/tv out etc.)?
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i second that, plus I'm assuming it will have wimax to?

I work at radioshack and our sprint rep just came by with an epic and man it is nice. Feels great in hand and the spring action of the keyboard is really strong and isn't flimsy at all. I compared it with my evo as quickly as I could like running the network speed test, which the epic won in for tests in the same area. Also noticed there was a new update sprint was pushing out. hopefully its touchwiz 3.0 but doubt it. The phones auto brightness wasn't working too well, the brightness level seems to dimmed down all the way after I turn the screen off and I had to manually turn it back on high through settings. Besides that, everything else was buttery smooth and I can't wait toll I have my own epic.
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Any chance it will come with WiFiTether?

EpicFan said:
Any chance it will come with WiFiTether?
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Yes it will. I already have most of it done : ) I will not have a epic for a long time so I need yall to give good feedback
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Does anyone else think that MT4G should of been tha natural succesor of the N1?

...or is it just me?

It would have been a better fit. The only thing missing is NFC and this phone would've really shined with some vanilla flavor.
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my feelings exactly.

Yeah, plus the battery life with the N1 and this, have no difference so yeah.
This is one of the top high end Android phone in the US right now and I'm feeling good about it.

oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?

dani26286 said:
...or is it just me?
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Nope, I completely agree with you and have thought this since day 1. HTC had the g1 and n1 so I was curious why Samsung got the ns.

Would have been nice if HTC would have thrown a SAMOLED2 in the phone, but as someone that moved from a N1 to the MT4G, this phone has been a great successor.
As for the NFC, it would have been nice, but to be honest, I don't see it taking off in the very near future in the US. And by the time it does, we'll probably have a very good replacement from T-Mobile.

dani26286 said:
oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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LOL, I found the first paragraph very ammusing, haha..
I think the reason it wasn't is because TMO wanted to market this phone as theirs because of the video chat capability... and they wanted the consumers to associate a good phone with their name, where as the N1 was googles baby, and while you could look at it and say it was an amazing phone, you didni't really give anymore credibililty to TMO. This way, tmobile looks good to consumers. Looking at things now.... the nexus S blows, but I don't really blame TMO for that, I can blame google or Samsuck for really dropping the ball there...so smart move on TMO part, IMO

Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola

neidlinger said:
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
The Mytouch 3G was used heavy as a dev device before the N1 came out. HTC has always been the device not by choice but for not having something else avail. The N1 was basically a revamped version of the Touch and Other Ideas that were on the Drawing Table.
The Nexus S by Samsung is by far hands down the best addition to the Nexus Line. I am also very glad that this is number two in the Line and no other garbage took its place.
Always Remember: The Nexus Line is Google's way of being open with their dev devices, hence "Pure Google". All other devices are literally bastard children that carry a logo that says "with Google" to represent their honorary build.
Sent From a Crop Circle... with a Nexus S

well it's a part of the original "mytouch" line phones ... it's a mt4g not a nexus touch4g. just saying, cause this phone is a successor of the mytouch3g. like how the g2 is for the g1. when the htc hero came out they were calling it a g2, but it wasn't the successor. plus this kills the nexus in so many ways! mytouch has so much custom UI put into it, talking about the slide & this, whereas nexus is just all straight android vanilla without all the bloatware. look at the nexus s, that's pretty much the successor since I heard they won't come out with a nexus 2. but all this is just IMO
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...or is it just me?
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neidlinger said:
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.

The magic and the mytouch are the same phone. The magic shipped with 288mb ram, the mytouch, until February 2010, shipped with 192mb. Aside from the color, I believe there is no difference between the ion and the magic. Its just that the ion was never on sale to the public, unless I'm mistaken.

PlankLongBeard said:
A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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I guess sarcasm doesn't fit into your vocabulary?

ScottC said:
No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
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There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.

I got the MT4G on release date and I'm still in awe at how well built, and feature packed this device is. If they released this with AOSP and called it the Nexus Two no one would be disappointed. I can't believe that T-Mobile of all carriers released such a high end, future proofed device. Most devices are lacking in some area, but the MT4G isn't lacking at all. It has everything and more. I love this device so much, it's the first android handset I've owned where I haven't had any complaints with it.
There must be some political issues behind Google going to Samsung for the Nexus S and not HTC. HTC makes such better devices. You have the G2 and Desire HD which are industrial business looking devices, then you have the MT4G with a completely different design than anything else on the market and it appeals to almost all demographics. Whether you're a first time smartphone buyer or a seasoned Android veteran you will appreciate this device for what it can offer to you. I'm the latter and I have my MT4G hooked up with Gingerbread (complete with the NS screen off animation) and overclocked to 1.8Ghz. What more can you ask for?
The release of the Nexus S really changed my mind about Google and how they view the Nexus family. I don't think Google gives a **** about the average consumer so they don't include things like HD Video Recording, a Notification Light, FFC, Micro SD Card Slot for people with tons of music and videos etc. Instead they give you the bare bones and honestly, the only reassuring factor for the price is the idea of getting tons of Google updates first. That's all fine and dandy if the phone is priced right. $580 is simply too much for a smartphone that lacks so many features regardless of how you want to argue about it.
Right now the MT4G is the top android device on the market. Even when the first dual core devices come out I will still stick with my MT4G until something comes along that is the successor to it. The next smartphone that I make my daily driver will have to surpass the MT4G in every area; hardware, camera/video quality, screen, design etc.
I've been 100% happy with my purchase since day 1. This is the first time I can say this about any android device I've owned.

PlankLongBeard said:
A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
The rest of what you said made as much sense.
What would have helped is if you said "No, it wouldn't be the natural successor..." or "Yes, it would have been..." to start out with.
I sure would have preferred the MyTouch 4G as the new Google phone. It has all the extra pieces many phones don't have that a dev might want to test such as a FFC and 4G. Superior to the Nexus S, it has a memory card slot and working GPS (I assume the GPS on the Nexus S is as good as on any (other?) i9000 series phone).
The beautiful (and tough) screen on the Nexus S might be nice, but it doesn't much matter to a developer testing something, n'cest pas?

Case and point for what its worth... I wanted the NS so bad when I heard about it (I had the G1> MyTouch Fender> then finally MT4G. I'm sorry but that NS is a pain in the **** to get when I can just drop by TMobile and pick this one up. F best buy for cell phones I like t mobile stores I pay them I go to them. Plus this phone runs tits rooted and oc'd @ 1.6-1.7 with no crashes at all ... I've had one crash @ 1.8 big woop. And I know for a fact I haven't been able to get this phone to stutter at all it does everything flawless and fast bottom line.
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neidlinger said:
There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
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The "A" variant is the HTC magic, released in the UK and in Canada with Rogers. For some reason t-mobile decided to go with the "B" for North America at launch. All Mytouch 3G phones built after February 2010 are A as well. Main difference is the amount of available ram.

excarnate said:
The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
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I know lots of Russians, lots of Jews, and several Russian Jews. I'm Jewish and 2/4 (both parents were 1/2) Russian myself.
I just wish everyone could speak English at a respectable high school level so I don't cringe when I read some of the posts around here. English as a second language has a free pass though; learning a second language is HARD.
Back on topic - I totally agree that it must have been political. HTC seems to be the Android leader so Samsung getting the NS came out of left field in my eyes. Not to mention the hardware being blatantly inferior to the MT4G, ie; HSPA+, additional RAM, SD slot. I still don't get that.
Also never understood why the US got the inferior 32B. The entire reason I rooted that thing in the first place was so I could overclock it to try and run Navi and Pandora at the same time. I should have bought a N1 in the first place.

[Q] To keep the Sidekick 4G or not keep the 4G, that is the question.

Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?

To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released

If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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Ace42 said:
If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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Yeah but none of those have the QWERTY keyboard, which was my main motivator for the sidekick. I really miss the form factor the sidekick Slide. It was tiny but effective. All these newfangled smartphones are the size of boomerangs.
I'm not really going to complain as much anymore because I just figured out how to turn off 4G and having to charge my phone almost twice a day was my main complaint. Besides the random crashes, but my friend's phone (the evo 4g) does the same thing so it's not like I would be upgrading if I got another phone.
So I guess my only REAL complaint now is the speed, and not having a flash for the camera.
God I'm a whiny *****. Look at me. I own a phone for a teenage girl and now I'm turning into one. This phone is <3
Any chance gingerbread will make its way to it?

The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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Ace42 said:
The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.

**** it. I'm keeping it. I'm not some prissy little beezy. The only time I take pictures is at concerts and the pictures always turn out like **** 'cause I'm too drunk; and before and after sex...

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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.
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Are you only looking for a tmo device or any phone? Maybe checkout a verizon or sprint store.
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Phone cameras are never that good anyways. I always bring my canon elph when I care about memories.

The Pope of Dope said:
Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?
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I too am going back and forthcoming from a epic 4g the speeds I get on tmobile are stabl and way better than sprints 4g, minor sacrafices like no flash screen quality and size etc but I love the keyboard, text change, the reject list, wifi calling, form factor, etc and while its nice to have a decent cam phone with flash I will miss my epic 4g screen and flash its bittersweet. The keyboard is remarkable and I don't want to lose my reject list I think its a tmobil thing...however why do they charge 14.99 to tether the same data give to us? I don't get it!
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blu9987 said:
To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released
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You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.

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You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.
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err meant to hit quote not thanks lol, anyways
Care to point out where I mentioned not wanting development for the sk4g? I just said that it doesn't look like many devs are buying this phone and not to expect something like CM7 or MIUI any time soon.
also I explained custom roms fairly accurately
"most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes."
and to what you said:
>power options - you mean adding reboot to the power menu? *tweak/theme*
>ported lock screen *theme*
I said the kernels are nice with voodoo color and sound and overclock/undervolt abilities and such are nice and the improved battery life from them.
and custom roms basically are just:
all bugfixes/tweaks known to date
themed to the devs liking or just stock theme (including custom lockscreen port and power options)
custom kernel (the main benefit in my opinion)
bloatware removed (which you can do with root)
some useful apps added(if the dev chooses)
but it wont take a phone you hate and turn it into an amazing phone.
What i'm getting at is if you like the phone you'll like it with custom roms because they look nice and have added goodies.. if you don't like the phone a rom isn't going to make it much better.

I see lots of people b*tching that this is a "teen phone" and the like.
It's the PERFECT form for those of use who want to use the phone as a mobile terminal. It's the one thing I miss the MOST about my old G1 when I upgraded to the Galaxy S. Sure the Galaxy S is a superior phone to the G1, but the physical keyboard gave me 2x the screen size and didn't have goofy input methods to get to various punctuations (' / \ | {} [] () etc) made it an excellent device to have on hand when I needed to address a server issue *RIGHT NOW*.
G2? Sorry, the keyboard on it sucks. This is the first real successor to the G1 that's an actual upgrade device (MT Slide doesn't really count, same processor constraint as the G1) and I would hope that some developers would show it some love. I'd have preferred if Samsung had given it the same screen as the Galaxy S, but they need to have *something* to upgrade if they plan on making a Mk2 device.

summary of the SK4G
It's been forever since I've upgraded and I just spent quite a bit of time with a number of phones, most of em 4G Android as that was the minimum i was looking for. I hope this summary helps your decisions.
I found that if you're in the market for a fast (1-1.2ghz, dual core), big (4"+) and beautiful (Super AMOLED) touch screen Android phone, there's many choices. Optimus/G2x, Incredible 2, Nexus S, Galaxy S I/II, etc.
There are also a good number of powerful slide-keyboard phones, such as the Evo Shift 4G, Epic 4G, G2, and Droid 2 Global. I noticed that the physical keyboard phones tended to trail the touch screens a bit in overall technology.
Raxxon said the G2 keyboard "sucks". I beg to differ - the HTC keyboards, which are all very similar, are probably the second-best keyboards I've ever used. 4 rows of full-sized and most importantly staggered keys. Not to mention, extra assignable shortcut keys.
But what if you were looking for something that makes using SSH, IRC, chat, email, and other messaging a breeze? There is only one phone with 5 rows of nicely spaced, tactile, staggered keys. The Sidekick 4G.
I was very annoyed that the designers felt that the voice-command and smiley-face buttons were more important than the right-side Alt key. But this can be remedied with a custom key mapper.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the screen looks so mediocre compared to the ones on other flagship models. I do miss the D-pad, but I think touchscreen navigation compensates for the crappy scroll "circle".
I admit I get phone-envy when I see the beautiful screens on those 4.5" dual core touch screen models. But nothing was as easy to email, chat, and type on as the Sidekick. I'll be buying one as soon as they get it in stock around here.

<As I was.>

No more HTC QWERTYs

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_is_done_with_the_qwerty_phones-news-4128.php
So much for QWERTYs....
That makes the MT4GS the most powerful GSM QWERTY

Omfg yyyyy. This will not b forever....trust me. When you get a year later than this they'll make QWERTYs again because f lack of sales to an all touchscreen line up. Don't u think?
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I guess that means I'll be investing my money elsewhere. It's probably a smart decision for their failing business, but Samsung will be there to pick up the slack.
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I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!

That's a shame - they really had a happy customer in me.
I should get a galaxy with my next paycheck just to start getting used to the samsung way of things.
Motorolla is kinda in limbo until we find out whether Huwai is going to buy them or not from Google...
...who else does that leave? just off brands or low quality losers like LG - every LG phone i've ever owned was a complete and utter POS failure, and would never buy one of their products again, period.
I like HTC, but I guess they don't like me.

yogi2010 said:
I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!
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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.

What a joke...that actually really pisses me off because I woke up this morning with my new POS hummingbird processor powered samsung exhibit 1 4G and tried to draft up an article for my website, failed, and moved to my laptop. I'm a guy who has huge hands, so it's looking more and more like I'll have to scrap HTC and go with an albatross Note. Whoever said that the qwerty phones were failing because of a lack of power behind them, you're absolutely right! How can the smartphone maker not see that correlation...

Not cool htc smh.
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Every smartphone I've ever used has had a physical keyboard. My first was the T-Mobile DASH (Win6.x), then a Moto Cliq (the best keyboard but a crappy phone). Next was the MyTouch 3G Slide, also a really nice keyboard. Now, the MT4GS. Though the keyboard on the 4GS isn't as good as the 3GS, I still prefer it over having a phone with no keyboard.

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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.
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I <3 my Rhodium (TP2). First smartphone I got was the Kaiser (Tilt), then the Rhodium, and now the MT4GS. The TP2 had the best keyboard of the 3 by far.
I must say I am going to miss hardware keyboards, especially from HTC since they're the only phone manufacturer I buy from. I don't think touchscreens will ever be as quick and easy as hardware keyboards are.

As an side: duly noted about the tp2 I never had one but I do hear lots of people praising that phone and it's keyboard, and not just in this thread. I also agree that for the most part, the companies sacrifice other things when they make a great keyboard.

I loved my TM2 as well! The keyboard was great and only replicated on the HTC Pro, released only for Sprint in the US. Honestly, I'd probably be rocking that right now if there was a T-Mobile version in the US.
This is all sad but I'm really hoping that the niche QWERTY line continues in step with the MyTouch, Sidekick, Droid, and Samsung models. No one can ever type fast in home row fashion on a virtual keybaord with great accuracy!
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HTC is walking the same line that Nokia did a couple years ago. Consolidate! Save Resources! Be Mediocre! Lose Market Share! Sell Out to M.... Huawei?
Better know about it now, so I can start looking for another company. Samsung seems good right now. They are big enough to support a qwerty phone for a while.

As long as there is an Asia, there will be a market for ancient anything.
Hell, HTC's website still markets Windows Mobile phones...
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Guys, it's not like keyboards are dying out all together. Only HTC is out of the running.
Besides, we've still got a powerful device to be reckoned with
If we can get merged into the official CM tree, we will be the official most powerful QWERTY they've got. Not to mention we'll get updates for God knows how long
If anything this should spur us all on to dev even harder for the device and keep the keyboard legacy alive.
You can trust I will start devving myself as soon as school lets out. Anyone willing to take me on as their apprentice?
I know nothing, but I'm quite eager to learn if someone wants to take me under their wing.

I think this news will have some folks picking up doubleshots off Craigslist. This news and the realization that the phone spec wars have gotten ridiculous. I'm holding on to my doubleshot for good.

First the locked bootloaders, then the buggy "bootloader unlockers" on their website, now this. Samsung should start manufacturing high-end QWERTY keyboards to pick up the demand.

This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.

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This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.
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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.

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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.
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I came from Sprint. It's a disaster.

I was ready to leave Android for WP7, but SGS3...

I was perfectly ready to leave the Android platform for WP7. Either for a Nokia Lumia 900 or HTC Titan II.
But with the release of the Samsung Galaxy S3, I'm kinda being lured back to Android.
Anyone in this kind of predicament? And if so... Any advice?
I'm currently using a HTC Desire. But by now it's very outdated, slow and likes to crash lately.

I really like the design of WP7 but I think it's no alternative to Android. Just think about the possibilities to customize ur system. I really need something new once in a while.
But the design of the SGS3 does not really satisfy me. I really don't like these plastic cases...

IMHO if you were about to jump ship the GS3 shouldn't really make you change your mind. It's definitely not a game changer. Sure it's a good phone, but if I still had my GS2 I wouldn't upgrade yet. If I'll ever go back to Android it will be for no less than a Cortex-a15 and an edge to edge SAMOLED+ HD. If I were you I'd get a Lumia 900 while I wait for the GS4, or even for the iPhone 5 or 6. At least you'll have the chance to try WP for a good while, and if you like it you may also consider getting an Apollo device when they come out. I'm very likely to go for this option, I've been pretty happy with WP7 in the last 5 months. No matter how hard I try, I can't really keep a phone for more than a year, I get bored easily I guess
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Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)

Just purchase a used GS2, you have a Desire and you may keep your next device for a long time.
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zone23 said:
Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)
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Honestly I don't mind "forcing" an update from time to time. Also, people should start to understand that once that a new version of the software comes out your phone won't brick itself. I mean, if I had an ICS device now I probably won't give a damn about JB when it comes out. ICS is pretty much a full experience, JB will definitely be a minor update, like 2.2 to 2.3. Anyway I must say that I feel pretty much like you. Toying with the phone all day can be fun for a while, but once you're not a teen with nothing to do anymore you may wanna have a phone that just works with no gimmicks. That's why I'm happy with WP7 now. I'm still a nerd tho, don't get me wrong: I'm getting an Android tablet as soon as a good one comes out (Exynos quad please), but basically just for fun. As to my PHONE it's all a different kind of business right now, if you get what I mean
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zone23 said:
Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)
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Lots of truth. And with that in mind, I might be tempted to move to iOS or WP7.
But, although I don't live to flash new ROM's all the time or customizing the phone constantly, I do have my phone customized just the way I want it and the way it is most useful to me. This includes, having a custom ICS ROM (I tried 2, settled on one and haven't moved for months, except for updates which are OTA and pretty simple). I don't think I could get either iOS or WP7 (probably mostly because of the lack of some of the apps I have on Android) to behave the way I want them to.
In the case of iOS I speak out of current personal experience. My personal phone is a SGS with ICS. The company I work with gave us iPhones. It's a pain in the ass to use that thing. Simple things such as turning stuff on or off, and the notifications are a joke. Lack of widgets is another weak point for iPhone, among many, many other things. The only really strong point is the camer which takes great pictures. But I end up taking them with my SGS because getting them off the iPhone is another goddamned chore.
I can't begin to count the times when I was doing something on the damn iPhone that takes me a zillion finger taps and thinking "this would be so simple on my SGS with a widget or shortcut or w/e".
In my case it's not really about customization for customization's sake. it's about productivity and, like someone said, being able to use the phone in a simple way. The phone adapts to the way I think, not the other way around.

The GS2 is one step forward and three steps back. It won't be as smooth, as good looking, or as user friendly as WP7, I guarantee that.

i will still go for a S2, and with the S3, S2 price will definitely drop.
the rom community for S2 is pretty awesome too, so yeah another plus point

I find the iPhone bland and screen has washed out colours. Ppi doesn't make a huge difference
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I don't like the WP, android is much better. I'm gonna stay with my SII for now

I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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bartoloandre98 said:
I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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Yeah, Microsoft must improve the worldwide support, here in Italy Bing is "beta", and doesn't really work well, so we're stuck with beta software. God, they should at least give us the option to change the default search engine, being forced to use a third party app just to "google" for something is pretty lame.
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You still cant change search providers? It's 2012 for goodness sake.
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I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material

I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!

Zmaina5 said:
I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material
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Plastic is more durable than metal or any other material. Take a galaxy s2 and an iPhone and drop them at shoulder height. The galaxy s2 will have a little dent in the plastic. The iPhone would be completely shattered
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astratb said:
I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!
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You may also consider the Gnex actually. Right now you can find it at a lower price compared to the GS2: here in Italy I can find it online for 359€, pretty good considering that the GS2 can't be found for less than 400€, and it's kind of a more "dated" device...
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