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Considering exchanging Captivate for Xperia X10...

Hey, I was wondering if anyone else has thought about this too, but, since it's been less than 30 days since the launch of the captivate, we'd be able to exchange / return it for a full refund. The reason I'd consider it is because the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X10. It's not that the captivate is a bad phone or anything, (i love it!), it's just that this new Xperia X10 has some pretty killer specs and the stock sony skin looks pretty damn nice. 1ghz cpu, 8.1 mp camera w/ flash... I'm not sure what version of android it's launching with yet though...
Any thoughts?
TLDR, bigger, sexier phone from sony, still able to exchange.

It only has Android 1.6 on it...Which screams NO WAY to me...Sony should have been able to create a phone that could run at least the current version...so why didn't they?

fiendiish said:
It only has Android 1.6 on it...Which screams NO WAY to me...Sony should have been able to create a phone that could run at least the current version...so why didn't they?
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Well they haven't confirmed which OS it will run. The reason it takes so long for everyone to roll out new android OSs, is because they have to update their skins to match it, which is why we don't have 2.2 right now, because Samsung is wasting their time with touchwiz (which i hated and replaced)

The SE X10 is just another crippled qsd825X device, it stands no were near a galaxy S phone.

These types of threads are always good for a laugh. Usually the OP has already made up their mind. What you then have is two different groups of people responding. First group either tries to "help" the OP reconsider by bad mouthing their thinking or extoling the virtues of the current "flavor of the month" device. Then you have the second group of antagonists that simply want to discredit/embarass/harass the OP and insist he return the device imediately and just go away.
Of course the OP usually has an agenda also. Any way you slice it they are looking for a way to justify their decision. If they stay, they are happy knowing their initial decision was correct. If they go they can blame it on how bad the community treated them.
Always good for wasting away a few precious moments.

Maroon Mushroom said:
Hey, I was wondering if anyone else has thought about this too, but, since it's been less than 30 days since the launch of the captivate, we'd be able to exchange / return it for a full refund. The reason I'd consider it is because the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X10. It's not that the captivate is a bad phone or anything, (i love it!), it's just that this new Xperia X10 has some pretty killer specs and the stock sony skin looks pretty damn nice. 1ghz cpu, 8.1 mp camera w/ flash... I'm not sure what version of android it's launching with yet though...
Any thoughts?
TLDR, bigger, sexier phone from sony, still able to exchange.
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Where are these killer specs you speak of ? 1ghz snapdragon is old not to mention comes with slowest GPU , 8p camera is nothing new ... and if OS is 1.6 then its a major downgrade. Internal only 1GB of storage , can't play back MKVs.
Sony is way late to the game with this phone, no superAMOLED or somekind of high end LCD . It was suppose to be released 9 months ago, 9 MONTHS !

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749689
Basically, you are coming to the Captivate forum for your opinion, so you are going to hear things slanted towards the (awesome) Captivate. that being said, the biggest issue right now facing the Captivate is it's GPS. When (not if) it gets fixed, it will be the best phone on AT&T's network, and perhaps the best current android. It's GPU is second to none, the hummingbird is slightly faster then last year's batch of snapdragons, it comes with a massive 16GB internal memory, the SAMOLED is great (though there is argument as to which screen is best, the new LCD HD, iphone's screen, or the SAMOLED).
The only hardware in which the captivate is lacking is the camera. However megapixel is not the end all be all. And the flash on a cell phone is next to worthless because it is not powerful enough to illuminate even a small room or remove red eye, so I don't consider it's lack of flash important.

X10 has been out in Europe for several months
I owned an X1, dont trust SE they will screw ya with the lack of software updates
X10 may never get 2.2, at least the Galaxy S phones are all GUARANTEED 2.2

I hate how everyone dismisses the flash on phone camera's. Yeah it can't light up a room but it can light up the face of my four friends staying a few feet away from it outside at night.

All I have to say is dont buy a phone with a Qualcomm processor in it. Just look at the HTC phones that pale in comparrison in terms of performance. Nuff said. The same company that made the humming bird processor made the Apple A4 processor.
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The same company that made the humming bird processor made the Apple A4 processor.
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That would be Samsung.

I also owned a x10 looks sweet but 1.6os maybe 2.1 update and prob not 2.2. Screens nice same processor as n1 but the n1 is hella faster I currently also own the galaxy s i9000 euro version its super smooth and as fast if not faster than the n1 and its running 2.1 .
Also if your not into the touch wiz do what I did I put the stock 2.1 launcher works great!
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I had an SE phone since.... well, long ago, when they were called just Ericsson. Anyway, I had P800, P900, and P1i. All those times, I would think that, man, won't it be nice when they provide an update that was worthwhile. They never got to it. I lost all my interest in Sony Ericsson in general. I switched from my malfunction P1i to Captivate, and I haven't seen that P1i ever since....

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Well they haven't confirmed which OS it will run. The reason it takes so long for everyone to roll out new android OSs, is because they have to update their skins to match it, which is why we don't have 2.2 right now, because Samsung is wasting their time with touchwiz (which i hated and replaced)
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They have confirmed it is running Android 1.6. Is there particular reason why you want the X10? At best its a great midend handset. It only beats the Captivate in the megapixel race? Things like industrial design and Android skin are subjective of course.
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No multitouch and Android 1.6 = no deal.

ConceptVBS said:
That would be Samsung.
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No that would be ARM and Samsung fabbed it...

tabrisnow said:
I had an SE phone since.... well, long ago, when they were called just Ericsson. Anyway, I had P800, P900, and P1i. All those times, I would think that, man, won't it be nice when they provide an update that was worthwhile. They never got to it. I lost all my interest in Sony Ericsson in general. I switched from my malfunction P1i to Captivate, and I haven't seen that P1i ever since....
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DUDE SAME HERE!!! I thought I was like the 3rd person to even have p1i.... It was a f....ing dump, hardware camera, bla bla bla is great..... UPDATES NONE!! There were like some firmware updates, but there was absolutely no app support. GDesk was like OMG..... then nothing was really supported, it was just horrible waste of money..... 500 bux for a barely function "smartphone".... THAT Thing was crap.....
Funny story, I have a friend that works for SE in San Diego for Product Marketing. She's all please support SE and by the Xperia X10, I was like don't even get me started..... She STFU..... only if she offered a BJ.....
Sorry guys /rant.

Speaking of SE San Diego, I just came from the Sony Style store in Fashion Valley Mall here in San Diego. I finally saw the X10. After rebooting it, I started to play with it and check out the apps and settings. I didn't like it from the get-go. I just had to put it down and checked out their 3D TVs instead
Getting a hands-on experience with an X10 was like a step back. I've been a Sony Ericsson user for years (owned 3 phones and loved them.). I was disappointed on this one. I was playing with my coworker's HTC Incredible. Incredible phone indeed! This is what got me to take the Android plunge! (I've owned 2 older HTC devices). Since I'm still with AT&T (I didn't want to jump ship yet) and I didn't want to settle for the HTC Aria with a slower processor, the Captivate was the best choice for me.

AllTheWay said:
All I have to say is dont buy a phone with a Qualcomm processor in it. Just look at the HTC phones that pale in comparrison in terms of performance. Nuff said. The same company that made the humming bird processor made the Apple A4 processor.
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I agree stay away from Qualcomm. They helped screw a lot of people with the whole 'missing drivers' problem a few years ago.
I think the company is called Intrinsic (sp?) Anyway they designed Hummingbird for Samsung and they are also owned by Apple.

slider2828 said:
No that would be ARM and Samsung fabbed it...
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Actually, that would be Samsung who licensed A8 the architecture from ARM.

Does anyone else think that MT4G should of been tha natural succesor of the N1?

...or is it just me?

It would have been a better fit. The only thing missing is NFC and this phone would've really shined with some vanilla flavor.
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my feelings exactly.

Yeah, plus the battery life with the N1 and this, have no difference so yeah.
This is one of the top high end Android phone in the US right now and I'm feeling good about it.

oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?

dani26286 said:
...or is it just me?
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Nope, I completely agree with you and have thought this since day 1. HTC had the g1 and n1 so I was curious why Samsung got the ns.

Would have been nice if HTC would have thrown a SAMOLED2 in the phone, but as someone that moved from a N1 to the MT4G, this phone has been a great successor.
As for the NFC, it would have been nice, but to be honest, I don't see it taking off in the very near future in the US. And by the time it does, we'll probably have a very good replacement from T-Mobile.

dani26286 said:
oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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LOL, I found the first paragraph very ammusing, haha..
I think the reason it wasn't is because TMO wanted to market this phone as theirs because of the video chat capability... and they wanted the consumers to associate a good phone with their name, where as the N1 was googles baby, and while you could look at it and say it was an amazing phone, you didni't really give anymore credibililty to TMO. This way, tmobile looks good to consumers. Looking at things now.... the nexus S blows, but I don't really blame TMO for that, I can blame google or Samsuck for really dropping the ball there...so smart move on TMO part, IMO

Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola

neidlinger said:
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
The Mytouch 3G was used heavy as a dev device before the N1 came out. HTC has always been the device not by choice but for not having something else avail. The N1 was basically a revamped version of the Touch and Other Ideas that were on the Drawing Table.
The Nexus S by Samsung is by far hands down the best addition to the Nexus Line. I am also very glad that this is number two in the Line and no other garbage took its place.
Always Remember: The Nexus Line is Google's way of being open with their dev devices, hence "Pure Google". All other devices are literally bastard children that carry a logo that says "with Google" to represent their honorary build.
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well it's a part of the original "mytouch" line phones ... it's a mt4g not a nexus touch4g. just saying, cause this phone is a successor of the mytouch3g. like how the g2 is for the g1. when the htc hero came out they were calling it a g2, but it wasn't the successor. plus this kills the nexus in so many ways! mytouch has so much custom UI put into it, talking about the slide & this, whereas nexus is just all straight android vanilla without all the bloatware. look at the nexus s, that's pretty much the successor since I heard they won't come out with a nexus 2. but all this is just IMO
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...or is it just me?
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neidlinger said:
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.

The magic and the mytouch are the same phone. The magic shipped with 288mb ram, the mytouch, until February 2010, shipped with 192mb. Aside from the color, I believe there is no difference between the ion and the magic. Its just that the ion was never on sale to the public, unless I'm mistaken.

PlankLongBeard said:
A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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I guess sarcasm doesn't fit into your vocabulary?

ScottC said:
No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
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There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.

I got the MT4G on release date and I'm still in awe at how well built, and feature packed this device is. If they released this with AOSP and called it the Nexus Two no one would be disappointed. I can't believe that T-Mobile of all carriers released such a high end, future proofed device. Most devices are lacking in some area, but the MT4G isn't lacking at all. It has everything and more. I love this device so much, it's the first android handset I've owned where I haven't had any complaints with it.
There must be some political issues behind Google going to Samsung for the Nexus S and not HTC. HTC makes such better devices. You have the G2 and Desire HD which are industrial business looking devices, then you have the MT4G with a completely different design than anything else on the market and it appeals to almost all demographics. Whether you're a first time smartphone buyer or a seasoned Android veteran you will appreciate this device for what it can offer to you. I'm the latter and I have my MT4G hooked up with Gingerbread (complete with the NS screen off animation) and overclocked to 1.8Ghz. What more can you ask for?
The release of the Nexus S really changed my mind about Google and how they view the Nexus family. I don't think Google gives a **** about the average consumer so they don't include things like HD Video Recording, a Notification Light, FFC, Micro SD Card Slot for people with tons of music and videos etc. Instead they give you the bare bones and honestly, the only reassuring factor for the price is the idea of getting tons of Google updates first. That's all fine and dandy if the phone is priced right. $580 is simply too much for a smartphone that lacks so many features regardless of how you want to argue about it.
Right now the MT4G is the top android device on the market. Even when the first dual core devices come out I will still stick with my MT4G until something comes along that is the successor to it. The next smartphone that I make my daily driver will have to surpass the MT4G in every area; hardware, camera/video quality, screen, design etc.
I've been 100% happy with my purchase since day 1. This is the first time I can say this about any android device I've owned.

PlankLongBeard said:
A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
The rest of what you said made as much sense.
What would have helped is if you said "No, it wouldn't be the natural successor..." or "Yes, it would have been..." to start out with.
I sure would have preferred the MyTouch 4G as the new Google phone. It has all the extra pieces many phones don't have that a dev might want to test such as a FFC and 4G. Superior to the Nexus S, it has a memory card slot and working GPS (I assume the GPS on the Nexus S is as good as on any (other?) i9000 series phone).
The beautiful (and tough) screen on the Nexus S might be nice, but it doesn't much matter to a developer testing something, n'cest pas?

Case and point for what its worth... I wanted the NS so bad when I heard about it (I had the G1> MyTouch Fender> then finally MT4G. I'm sorry but that NS is a pain in the **** to get when I can just drop by TMobile and pick this one up. F best buy for cell phones I like t mobile stores I pay them I go to them. Plus this phone runs tits rooted and oc'd @ 1.6-1.7 with no crashes at all ... I've had one crash @ 1.8 big woop. And I know for a fact I haven't been able to get this phone to stutter at all it does everything flawless and fast bottom line.
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neidlinger said:
There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
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The "A" variant is the HTC magic, released in the UK and in Canada with Rogers. For some reason t-mobile decided to go with the "B" for North America at launch. All Mytouch 3G phones built after February 2010 are A as well. Main difference is the amount of available ram.

excarnate said:
The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
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I know lots of Russians, lots of Jews, and several Russian Jews. I'm Jewish and 2/4 (both parents were 1/2) Russian myself.
I just wish everyone could speak English at a respectable high school level so I don't cringe when I read some of the posts around here. English as a second language has a free pass though; learning a second language is HARD.
Back on topic - I totally agree that it must have been political. HTC seems to be the Android leader so Samsung getting the NS came out of left field in my eyes. Not to mention the hardware being blatantly inferior to the MT4G, ie; HSPA+, additional RAM, SD slot. I still don't get that.
Also never understood why the US got the inferior 32B. The entire reason I rooted that thing in the first place was so I could overclock it to try and run Navi and Pandora at the same time. I should have bought a N1 in the first place.

What will the next big Google phone be?

I know that typically a few "Google Experience" devices come out each year. But, has there been any speculation on what the next major Google phone will be... as in the Nexus S sequel. (I am aware this hasn't been out that long, but it isn't in the cards to upgrade now, so I'm looking to the future )

I'm hoping it's a Nexus device either from HTC or Motorola - however with this 'own Motorola OS' rumour swirling around, that's looking unlikely, currently. But if the HTC Pyramid is a Nexus device, that'll be my next phone. Period. It'll be my next phone even if it isn't

Ya, I'm using an Atrix right now, and while I know it gets a lot of hate, I love the power. It's a great phone in terms of speed and potential. And, in spite of the restrictions it can do a lot. But, I want the freedom of a full on Google phone. I can't wait to hear what the Nexus 3 will be.

The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.

Step666 said:
The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.
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The Galaxy S was one of the best selling Android phones. Most likely the most sales for a similar models of this generation and there's even more variations just coming out. A Nexus S device made sense. Create a platform phone that has the broadest reach in terms of compatibility. Devs can then base their apps on that consistency. The Nexus One was simliar - (how many phones had the first gen Snapdragon? Tons.). They picked right for the time frame. Dual cores came out soon after but I don't see that level of hardware consistency coming until later this year.

I disagree - if they wanted a dev platform using the Hummingbird CPU, the time to release it was the same sort of time as the original Galaxy S, get it out there ASAP so that the people who needed it could start using it immediately.
They were late.
Which is not to say too late, it will still be of some use but plenty of developers will already have a Galaxy S is they want a Hummingbird-based test-bed, especially given how easy it is to get stock Android on it.
Also, whilst some manufacturers like Samsung are developing their own dual-core CPUs and HTC seem woefully tied to Qualcomm, nVidia's Tegra2 SoC does seem to have reached some level of wide-spread adoption - certainly amongst tablets and also with some of the dual-core handsets that are coming to the market. Heck, even Samsung are using it to bolster their low Exynos supplies.
It wouldn't've been too much of a gamble on Google's part to have released a Tegra2-based dev handset IMO - not really that much less consistency than there has been the past 12 months.

No idea.... please post if come to know about it.

The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...h-new-Ice-Cream-Android-operating-system.html

I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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I Am Marino said:
I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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Making it useless for a majority of the world... not sure I can see that happen while there are now radio chips that allow both GSM and CDMA.

DirkGently1 said:
The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
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I agree. It will definitely be using IceCream I think, and I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?

buxtahuda said:
I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?
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Why would Samsung be any less likely to get the nod for the next Nexus handset than HTC? Both manufacturers have produced a Nexus-branded handset each, with Google choosing to move from HTC to Samsung for the last one.
If anything, I'd say Samsung are more likely to be selected, especially given they're actually improving on their previous handsets while HTC have stagnated.
As for SE, their entire survival revolves round Android, so I would hardly describe them as 'doing their own thing'.

I haven't particularly kept up with it all, only started the Android craze when I got this phone. I just remember the last time I looked at a SE phone it was using its own OS. And I definitely haven't worried with Droids or Nexus's, I didn't realize that the last Nexus was Samsung, I thought they were rolling heavy just on the Galaxy series.
We all start somewhere yeah
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Should partner with HTC ... should set a standard like what N1 did.

I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..

viperblast said:
I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..
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True. I feel the same, any smartphone Samsung I've put in my hand feels like I'd lose or crush it easily. However I have noticed their screens seem a bit better in sunlight, and they do seem to try and innovate a bit. But HTC (they didn't used to be though) has finally gotten to a consistent point on quality.
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I guess there's still no rumors yet on what the ice cream showcase phone will be... I've been scouring the internet.

Hopefully google has learned to just sell their software and stay away from selling their own devices.

HTC- Quietly giving up on innovating.

Well, another day, another thread. Here I'd like to talk about HTC and their general lack of the ability to innovate that seems to have come with the release of the hd2. First of all, a little history. HTC's slogan is "quietly brilliant." a slogan that stood true to its name until recent times with devices such as the g1 with its chin that temporarily set a standard for android devices to the PPC 6xxx series which were still perhaps the best phones built for gaming aside from the cliq and its epic d-pad that should be on every phone with a slide out keyboard, all the way on to the hd2 which was an amazing device that could do so much. Its pretty much still a standard by which modders will always compare to other phones. It had a nice 4.3 inch display, nice build quality, a great processor for its time, and while it ran an OS that most had abandoned at that point I was more than happy to be able to play warspear again and emulate some Tekken 3 (before android had its ps1 emulators.) it was great, the problem is I think HTC has over-estimated just how great the device was as now they see fit to release that same exact device over and over with minute tweaks to the hardware and a new OS slapped on. Unless you consider the htc surround and its easy to bend kickstand with shoddy speakers or the g2s broken z hinge innovative then these days you're SOL with HTC. Its the same 4.x inches on a device with way too small a battery often given a power hungry OS to leave less fulfillment and a slightly better processor with each iteration. I'm not saying that HTC is the only company doing this but they used to be the big innovators. I just want to see some thought put into the cellphone market again because there's only so many times you can shove a new motor into the same old car and pass it off as something spectacular.

You're like a tech blogging project gone wrong.

You clearly don't know how devices work, or how to use paragraphs.
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I do apologize for my wall o' text, I am typing from a mobile device and while I do what I can to save face grammatically it's not imperative that I treat it like a thesis paper. I am however fully aware of how these devices work as well as the OSes themselves. I just miss the innovation that HTC once put into their devices.

Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.

pierrekid said:
Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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3d cameras were innovative... Yeah, then the 80s happened. Sure putting them on a phone is innovative enough but like most of what's come out recently it feels gimmicky at best. There's no call for petty insults, if you're looking for a forum for that sort of thing I might suggest 4chan.

I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.

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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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my opinion does not match that of the general consensus, oh joy, I get to watch a bunch of people go into rage mode and throw around insults I haven't heard in over a decade again. My favorite.

joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I'm certainly not stating that they'ree not quality devices. I'm often not find of the battery life of them but aside from that they're typically quite nice. I just feel that they lack the level of innovation that they had in the past.

If you haven't noticed already...not single person agrees with you. And my comments weren't insults... their facts. You are complaining like a little girl and using xda as a personal diary...apparently I'm not the only person who thinks so...
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I assume you've yet to learn the clear difference between fact and opinion. Ok, so no one wants to see HTC start innovating as they did before? That's intriguing that we discourage such things now.

HTC started innovating when they gave up on the windows platform and started making android flagships IMO
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joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I think you mean HTC Inspire
The Infuse is made by Samsung but somewhat similar.

All 1 of their android flagships that was just a souped up mytouch 3g with a bigger screen and better processor... Yeah, no thanks. Hardware-wise HTC was more innovative in their winmo offerings as painful as it is to realize.

No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.

He's hard to please.

Daeva said:
No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
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I know they are, doesn't change the fact that their hardware lacks the innovation that made them the mobile giants they are.

The latest devices? Not innovating? You serious sir?

Seems Like he means. That HD2 was the best phone at that time when it was releaed. It has no enemies. It was killer of all phones..
On latest HTC´s is most problem the Qualcomm Chipset. Mainly their GPU.. Evo 3D is great innovation due 3D Cameras and display. This one is very good.
I know what should help HTC on their innovations.
1. Changing Platform. Sorry Qualcomm.. I am using old MSM7201A.. (Yeah its slow.. But at the time it was great And crappy Intel Xscale 624MHz. Even using overclocked GPU at my kernel is really great.. Its better than locked Adreno 200 and above GPu´s)..
2. Getting proper GPU drivers (nice shiny and fast)
3. Unlocked Bootloader by default. (Not that web thing. That will void your warranty)
4. Sense as open source.. Not Sense SDK.. That will help devs to make Apps look like sense interface.
5. Creating Better Battery Life. WinMo devices hitted 2days +
6. Better quality/louder speaker .
And a lot more.. Just need to think

No more HTC QWERTYs

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_is_done_with_the_qwerty_phones-news-4128.php
So much for QWERTYs....
That makes the MT4GS the most powerful GSM QWERTY

Omfg yyyyy. This will not b forever....trust me. When you get a year later than this they'll make QWERTYs again because f lack of sales to an all touchscreen line up. Don't u think?
Typed by ---- oh wait! I'm schizophrenic!

I guess that means I'll be investing my money elsewhere. It's probably a smart decision for their failing business, but Samsung will be there to pick up the slack.
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I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!

That's a shame - they really had a happy customer in me.
I should get a galaxy with my next paycheck just to start getting used to the samsung way of things.
Motorolla is kinda in limbo until we find out whether Huwai is going to buy them or not from Google...
...who else does that leave? just off brands or low quality losers like LG - every LG phone i've ever owned was a complete and utter POS failure, and would never buy one of their products again, period.
I like HTC, but I guess they don't like me.

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I think enough people are fine with all-touchscreen phones for HTC to do fine.... the article said qwerty sales just aren't cutting it enough for them to continue. In my mind, part of the problem is the keyboards aren't really good enough, but that is just my opinion. For me, I haven't seen a really good keyboard on a device that wasn't branded a Sidekick. But I think more what it is is that the iPhone kinda shaped people's perception, and for some reason people like that form factor. But I also think that some company(s) will step up and realize there is still a market for qwerty phones.
My introduction to smartphones was the old Sidekicks, so to me a smartphone is a mini console or terminal, with keyboard and landscape screen. And I'm gonna keep seeing it that way until there just aren't any more like that..... which perhaps means this might be my last HTC phone!
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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.

What a joke...that actually really pisses me off because I woke up this morning with my new POS hummingbird processor powered samsung exhibit 1 4G and tried to draft up an article for my website, failed, and moved to my laptop. I'm a guy who has huge hands, so it's looking more and more like I'll have to scrap HTC and go with an albatross Note. Whoever said that the qwerty phones were failing because of a lack of power behind them, you're absolutely right! How can the smartphone maker not see that correlation...

Not cool htc smh.
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Every smartphone I've ever used has had a physical keyboard. My first was the T-Mobile DASH (Win6.x), then a Moto Cliq (the best keyboard but a crappy phone). Next was the MyTouch 3G Slide, also a really nice keyboard. Now, the MT4GS. Though the keyboard on the 4GS isn't as good as the 3GS, I still prefer it over having a phone with no keyboard.

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excuse me...u forgot the tp2 lol...i dont even recall them releasing a tilting screen android either. Having my phone serve as its own dock would be nice again. I dont care much for the bb style kbs but the dell had some nice looking phones for wp7....it wouldve been nice to run wm or android on one. I think htc & others would do better in qwertys sales if the released higher end device instead of these cheapo lg quality ones. Far as the iphone in away it did but there also been a craze for thin/light phones. Its funny cuz those are normally the same ones complaining about battery life.
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I <3 my Rhodium (TP2). First smartphone I got was the Kaiser (Tilt), then the Rhodium, and now the MT4GS. The TP2 had the best keyboard of the 3 by far.
I must say I am going to miss hardware keyboards, especially from HTC since they're the only phone manufacturer I buy from. I don't think touchscreens will ever be as quick and easy as hardware keyboards are.

As an side: duly noted about the tp2 I never had one but I do hear lots of people praising that phone and it's keyboard, and not just in this thread. I also agree that for the most part, the companies sacrifice other things when they make a great keyboard.

I loved my TM2 as well! The keyboard was great and only replicated on the HTC Pro, released only for Sprint in the US. Honestly, I'd probably be rocking that right now if there was a T-Mobile version in the US.
This is all sad but I'm really hoping that the niche QWERTY line continues in step with the MyTouch, Sidekick, Droid, and Samsung models. No one can ever type fast in home row fashion on a virtual keybaord with great accuracy!
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HTC is walking the same line that Nokia did a couple years ago. Consolidate! Save Resources! Be Mediocre! Lose Market Share! Sell Out to M.... Huawei?
Better know about it now, so I can start looking for another company. Samsung seems good right now. They are big enough to support a qwerty phone for a while.

As long as there is an Asia, there will be a market for ancient anything.
Hell, HTC's website still markets Windows Mobile phones...
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Guys, it's not like keyboards are dying out all together. Only HTC is out of the running.
Besides, we've still got a powerful device to be reckoned with
If we can get merged into the official CM tree, we will be the official most powerful QWERTY they've got. Not to mention we'll get updates for God knows how long
If anything this should spur us all on to dev even harder for the device and keep the keyboard legacy alive.
You can trust I will start devving myself as soon as school lets out. Anyone willing to take me on as their apprentice?
I know nothing, but I'm quite eager to learn if someone wants to take me under their wing.

I think this news will have some folks picking up doubleshots off Craigslist. This news and the realization that the phone spec wars have gotten ridiculous. I'm holding on to my doubleshot for good.

First the locked bootloaders, then the buggy "bootloader unlockers" on their website, now this. Samsung should start manufacturing high-end QWERTY keyboards to pick up the demand.

This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.

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This seems weird to me, because as far as I can remember, HTC has only released QWERTY phones with T-Mobile and Sprint. Those aren't the carriers to turn to if you want to shift a lot of phones, IMO.
I'm really hoping samsung releases a glide variant of the SGIII. I haven't seen anything about that in the leaks, so I'll likely end up using the DS until it isn't viable anymore and re-examine my options at that point.
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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.

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Same here. Samsung and Sprint are looking better and better as time goes on.
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I came from Sprint. It's a disaster.